Re: New personal experimental book

2008-10-08 Thread DJ Lucas
Randy McMurchy wrote: DJ Lucas wrote: Roll back to file-4.21. The newer versions of file do not display the character set if type is text/troff Well, that is a separate issue. File is still broken (either 4.21 with illogical guessing at the character encoding of text

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-10-08 Thread Randy McMurchy
DJ Lucas wrote: Roll back to file-4.21. The newer versions of file do not display the character set if type is text/troff Well, that is a separate issue. File is still broken (either 4.21 with illogical guessing at the character encoding of text files, or 4.25 with non-working -e

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-10-08 Thread Randy McMurchy
DJ Lucas wrote: I reverted to 4.23. I never got a chance to see if 4.26 worked. In 4.25, the -e (exclude) switch is broken, both long an short options do not work. Yes, I've confirmed that. However, only *parts* of the -e switch are broken. And I see in the code why. I actually was able

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-10-08 Thread Randy McMurchy
Randy McMurchy wrote: I actually was able to patch the file.c source and things work again. If anyone is interested in looking at or testing the patch, here it is (it's also in the repo): Submitted By:Randy McMurchy randy_at_linuxfromscratch_dot_org Date:

Re: New personal experimental book [warning: lots of UTF-8 in this]

2008-10-01 Thread DJ Lucas
Colin Watson wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 09:03:00PM -0500, DJ Lucas wrote: Other packages in the base LFS utilize BDB. They may or may not work with GDBM so I'll be looking into that as soon as we get updated to reasonable revisions of all installed 'base' software. My question,

Re: New personal experimental book [warning: lots of UTF-8 in this]

2008-09-30 Thread Ken Moffat
CC'ing to lfs-dev, if I've remembered to change to a subscribed address. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 04:54:33PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 03:48:50PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:27:09PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: I've been looking into the

Re: New personal experimental book [warning: lots of UTF-8 in this]

2008-09-30 Thread DJ Lucas
Ken Moffat wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 04:54:33PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 03:48:50PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:27:09PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: Modern versions of man-db default to expecting UTF-8 for manual page

Re: New personal experimental book [warning: lots of UTF-8 in this]

2008-09-15 Thread Lefteris Dimitroulakis
Στις Sunday 14 September 2008 22:00:58 ο/η Ken Moffat έγραψε: On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 11:20:04PM +0600, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: On Sunday 14 September 2008 21:47:05 Ken Moffat wrote: Ken, if the LFS server again blacklists gmail, please forward this to the list again I had the same

Re: New personal experimental book [warning: lots of UTF-8 in this]

2008-09-15 Thread DJ Lucas
Ken Moffat wrote: On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 07:03:03AM -0600, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: snip OK. I assume that adding | iconv -f UTF-8 -t //TRANSLIT to the end will make the line work also in non-UTF-8 locales (manual pages are still expected to be in UTF-8). Could you please test this?

Re: New personal experimental book [warning: lots of UTF-8 in this]

2008-09-14 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 07:03:03AM -0600, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: On Saturday 13 September 2008 21:31:48 Ken Moffat wrote: resending privately, because LFS recognized this as spam, feel free to forward OK, I'll try to CC it. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 05:12:00PM +0600, Alexander E.

Re: New personal experimental book [warning: lots of UTF-8 in this]

2008-09-14 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 11:20:04PM +0600, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: On Sunday 14 September 2008 21:47:05 Ken Moffat wrote: Ken, if the LFS server again blacklists gmail, please forward this to the list again OK. My own filters noted the following, which I think is normal for gmail.

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-09-13 Thread Lefteris Dimitroulakis
Στις Saturday 13 September 2008 08:28:21 ο/η Lefteris Dimitroulakis έγραψε: Since you install Man, you get relevant man pages translated in greek. So you may add in your Table 6.1 Greek (el) ISO-8859-7. Additionally: Bulgarian (bg) cp1251 Romanian (ro) ISO-8859-2 Slovenian (sl) ISO-8859-2

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-09-13 Thread DJ Lucas
Roll back to file-4.21. The newer versions of file do not display the character set if type is text/troff. Additionally, the -e switch does not work at all (nor the long --exclude), so you can't exclude the troff test and assume text/plain. -- DJ Lucas -- This message has been scanned

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-09-13 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
DJ Lucas wrote: All the recently mentioned changes and updates have been made except for the testsuite fixes that Robert has been working on as I haven't had the time to do manual builds. Of note: GCC-4.3.2, GlibC-2.8-20080905, LSB bootscripts, initd-tools introduced, man instead of mandb

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-09-13 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
DJ Lucas wrote: Roll back to file-4.21. The newer versions of file do not display the character set if type is text/troff Testcase please. IMHO they are right, as it is impossible to reliably decide between, say, ISO-8859-1 and KOI8-R based only on manpage contents (without using a

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-09-13 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Lefteris Dimitroulakis wrote: Since you install Man, you get relevant man pages translated in greek. So you may add in your Table 6.1 Greek (el) ISO-8859-7. Additionally: Bulgarian (bg) cp1251 Romanian (ro) ISO-8859-2 Slovenian (sl) ISO-8859-2 NAK. The table in the text is really a

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-09-13 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
I wrote: And in fact I would strongly prefer a 8-line patch to Man to ignore non-English manual pages completely (instead of unconfigured groff-utf8 and hard-coded special-casing Japanese in Man-1.6f in a way that works only with Debian-patched Groff), as it saves the editors from all the

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-09-13 Thread DJ Lucas
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: DJ Lucas wrote: All the recently mentioned changes and updates have been made except for the testsuite fixes that Robert has been working on as I haven't had the time to do manual builds. Of note: GCC-4.3.2, GlibC-2.8-20080905, LSB bootscripts, initd-tools

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-09-13 Thread DJ Lucas
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: DJ Lucas wrote: Roll back to file-4.21. The newer versions of file do not display the character set if type is text/troff Testcase please. IMHO they are right, as it is impossible to reliably decide between, say, ISO-8859-1 and KOI8-R based only on

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-09-13 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
DJ Lucas wrote: Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: DJ Lucas wrote: Roll back to file-4.21. The newer versions of file do not display the character set if type is text/troff Testcase please. IMHO they are right, as it is impossible to reliably decide between, say, ISO-8859-1 and KOI8-R

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-09-13 Thread Lefteris Dimitroulakis
Στις Saturday 13 September 2008 12:01:19 γράψατε: Lefteris Dimitroulakis wrote: Since you install Man, you get relevant man pages translated in greek. So you may add in your Table 6.1 Greek (el)   ISO-8859-7. Additionally: Bulgarian (bg) cp1251 Romanian (ro) ISO-8859-2 Slovenian

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-09-13 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Lefteris Dimitroulakis wrote: With all due respect to lfs-dev's, to you and to the holly book, it will be very bizarre if lfsbook uses the Man package and at the same time is claiming that the included in the package man-pages are NOT readable for whatever reason. Let's clarify the

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-09-13 Thread DJ Lucas
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: DJ Lucas wrote: Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: DJ Lucas wrote: Roll back to file-4.21. The newer versions of file do not display the character set if type is text/troff Testcase please. IMHO they are right, as it is impossible to

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-09-13 Thread Lefteris Dimitroulakis
Στις Saturday 13 September 2008 14:12:00 ο/η Alexander E. Patrakov έγραψε: Let's clarify the situation a bit. There are three possible outcomes for man foo in the ru_RU.UTF-8 locale: 1) Glibberish (unacceptable, but, unfortunately, what happens if the system is misconfigured by an

Re: New personal experimental book [warning: lots of UTF-8 in this]

2008-09-13 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 05:12:00PM +0600, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: Let's clarify the situation a bit. There are three possible outcomes for man foo in the ru_RU.UTF-8 locale: 1) Glibberish (unacceptable, but, unfortunately, what happens if the system is misconfigured by an

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-09-12 Thread DJ Lucas
DJ Lucas wrote: I did not remember to remove BerkelyDB, FYI, according to the dependencies, IPRoute2 and Perl depend on BDB, so it cannot be removed at this time anyway. -- DJ Lucas -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content, and is believed to be clean. --

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-09-12 Thread Lefteris Dimitroulakis
Στις Saturday 13 September 2008 06:49:23 ο/η DJ Lucas έγραψε: All the recently mentioned changes and updates have been made except for the testsuite fixes that Robert has been working on as I haven't had the time to do manual builds. Of note: GCC-4.3.2, GlibC-2.8-20080905, LSB bootscripts,