Re: non web_version of web.texi ?

On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 11:26:46AM +0200, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Just for clarity, I'm not against having web.texi as an info file or > PDF file. It's just that I want to get rid of the special casing of > web_version, which (when switched) off produces a doc with less links. Ah sorry, it's

Re: non web_version of web.texi ?

On Sun, Jul 05, 2020 at 10:38:50PM +0200, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > is there any other function of web.texi besides producing the > lilypond.org website? I would like to get rid of the "-D web_version" > distinction, that is making web_version always be true for the web > document. Is there any

Re: Add Code of Conduct [Another RFC or not now?]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2020 at 11:41:11PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Graham Percival writes: > > Within 2-3 weeks, I had squandered all of the good feelings and energy > > sparked from that meeting. I view that as my worst blunder from all > > my years of involvement with Lily

Re: Add Code of Conduct [Another RFC or not now?]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2020 at 07:21:30PM +, Trevor wrote: > Phil Holmes wrote 08/02/2020 17:24:56 > Subject: Re: Add Code of Conduct [Another RFC or not now?] > > > - Original Message - From: "Karlin High" > > However, I'd like to hear from David Kastrup and James Lowe first. To me, > > >

Re: ’Pond Jobs & Their Descriptions

On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 09:24:37PM -0500, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Job: Patch Formatter > Tasks: Ensure that a submitted patch conforms to the Lilypond code standards > (found and and ). > Requirements: a text editor; working knowledge of the programming language(s) > used in a given patch

Re: development process

On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 08:59:33PM -0500, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > > LilyPond has had a lot of patches get dropped because > > nobody feels comfortable reviewing / shepherding them. > > Seems to me like one solution to that problem might be a subtle > variant on extreme programming: All

Re: ’Pond Jobs & Their Descriptions

On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 06:55:38PM -0500, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > I’m curious as to all the various jobs/tasks required to keep > Lilypond development moving forward at the fastest possible pace > and in the most efficient possible way. Is there a single list > compiled anywhere, written with

Re: development process

On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 12:11:48AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > > For context, I have a busy daytime job. I work 80% so I can set aside > > a couple of hours of concentrated hacking time on Friday. Yes. I expect that most people knowledgeable about lilypond code are

Re: midi2ly on mac: midi.so wrong architecture

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 08:01:06AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > ElRay writes: > > > FYI: This has been reported as a bug -- in 2012.I will see if this is > > something I can take-on in the next month or two. > > I am pretty sure that Graham posted a patch

Re: Discussed here: (issue 321830043 by fedel...@gmail.com)

Cute solution, I like it. Cheers, - Graham On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:49:27AM +0200, Federico Bruni wrote: > It won't be in english only. It's up to translators. With this patch they can: > > a) not translate the file, so the content of that section will be in english > _within a translated

Re: Release issues?

, - Graham On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 12:16:05AM +, Graham Percival wrote: > Sorry, my bad. For some reason it didn't twig with me that this > would be release-blocking. I'll upload a fix in 4-6 hours for > discussion. > > - Graham > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:17:29AM +0100,

Re: Release issues?

Sorry, my bad. For some reason it didn't twig with me that this would be release-blocking. I'll upload a fix in 4-6 hours for discussion. - Graham On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:17:29AM +0100, Federico Bruni wrote: > I think that it's due to the "make website" problem described here: >

Re: Website upload

On Tue, Mar 07, 2017 at 11:47:31AM +0100, Davide Liessi wrote: > Maybe an HTTP permanent redirect (308) should be added instead of a symlink, > see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTTP_status_codes#3xx_Redirection Why 308 instead of 301? Google suggests 301:

Re: Back in the Pond

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 02:01:40PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > "Trevor Daniels" writes: > > > David, you wrote Thursday, January 19, 2017 10:18 AM > > > >> it would appear that my excursion into a regular workplace ended up > >> somewhat shortlived. Ouch, that sucks.

python include path oddity with "make install"

At the moment, doing: mkdir build cd build ../configure --prefix=$HOME/.local/ make make install results in python files which can't find lilylib. This is installed to: $(PREFIX)/share/lilypond/$(VERSION)/python/ The relocation is supposed to be handled by:

Re: PATCHES - Countdown for January 8th

On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 03:17:38AM +0100, Simon Albrecht wrote: > I get a feeling we’re very good at producing misunderstandings right now… > :-) Yes. :) I have pushed the attached patch to staging. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list

Re: patch for git-cl

On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 09:02:51PM +, Thomas Morley wrote: > attached a little patch for git-cl to replace googlecodeissue by > trackerissue in cl_settings.py, which will result in correct info in > .git/config > > How do we handle patches to git-cl? In general, I'd recommend a PR, but I've

Re: patch for git-cl

On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 10:15:24PM +, James wrote: > On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 21:02:51 + > Thomas Morley wrote: > > > attached a little patch for git-cl to replace googlecodeissue by > > trackerissue in cl_settings.py, which will result in correct info in > >

Re: official GNU LilyPond maintainer

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 05:25:08AM +, Graham Percival wrote: > With David stepping down, LilyPond is left without an official GNU > maintanier. I have now resumed this position. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond

Re: LilyDev 5.0 released

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 06:24:48PM +0100, Federico Bruni wrote: > The default should be httpredir: > httpredir.debian.org > > Have you tried again? I hope that it's just a temporary network problem. Yes, seems to have been temporary. I tried it 3 times yesterday, but now it's working. I

Re: Offer to help development: Convert MIDI to Lilypond

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 08:21:58PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > > At that point, an interested person -- perhaps yourself? -- could > > offer further patches which improved the quality of the lilypond > > code. > > Well, I'm working on theese: >

Re: Free alternatives to Rietveld?

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 06:35:30PM +0100, Federico Bruni wrote: > It would be possible to add a configuration option in git-cl so > you can login in rietveld with a specific browser different from > the default one? Certainly! In the source, I see: - If your browser is on a different

Re: Offer to help development: Convert MIDI to Lilypond

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 08:43:34AM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Graham: > > That is correct; the python midi2ly conversion is quite > > independent of the rest of LilyPond. As a result, it is an > > excellent place to begin! :) > > So I propose that a better course of action would be to

Re: Free alternatives to Rietveld?

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 02:39:09PM +, James wrote: > On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 13:33:11 +0100 > Simon Albrecht wrote: > > > Whatever the reason for this weirdness, I think it would really be > > better if we had a code review tool which didn’t rely on external > > login

Re: LilyDev 5.0 released

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 01:53:06PM +0100, Federico Bruni wrote: > Eventually I managed to build the new ISO. Thanks for all this work! I get an invalid network mirror when I try to install it. Do you have a default valid set, or is it failing to connect to the generic Canadian debian server?

official GNU LilyPond maintainer

With David stepping down, LilyPond is left without an official GNU maintanier. Does anybody want to do fill this role? The relevant documentation is: https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/index.html https://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/html_node/index.htm If nobody is interested in the

Re: Can I develop with Raspberry Pi 3

On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 12:47:29PM -0500, Joseph Austin wrote: > Is it possible/practical to run LilyDev on Raspberry Pi 3? Unfortuantely not; LilyDev is compiled for x86 CPUs, whereas the Pi 3 has an ARM CPU. > In other words, is that a realistic alternative to setting up a > virtual machine

Re: Offer to help development: Convert MIDI to Lilypond

On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 11:44:15AM -0500, Joseph Austin wrote: > I am offering to help with the project of converting midi2ly > from C to Python, or more generally converting MIDI to Lilypond. Excellent! I'd be delighted to serve as your mentor. > I'm not sure if this is a good place for

Re: linux-ppc harfbuzz GUB build error

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 04:44:40PM +0100, Hans Aikema wrote: > > The official requirements for building: > INSTALLING > > * You need > - about 9 GB of free space (for all platforms) > - standard unix shell utilities: cat, cp, install, mv, rm, sed, ... > - a standard unix development

Re: website: texinfo macros for both ID and classes

On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 01:13:26PM -0500, Paul wrote: > On 12/05/2016 12:35 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > > >>This would be good to have in general and more intuitive for > >>those used to html. > >I'm not convinced. > > As someone who knew html and went thr

Re: bypassing the patch countdown

On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 11:58:14PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > Am 7. Dezember 2016 23:34:39 MEZ, schrieb Graham Percival > <gra...@percival-music.ca>: > >(please note that I'm not suggesting that anybody should feel > >obligated to make such typo fixes -- instead, I'm ch

bypassing the patch countdown

I was going to wait a month or two before suggesting this, just to make sure I was fully "up to date", but I'll jump in now. We instituted the policy of patch countdowns and Patchy after the lengthy wait for 2.14.0, which was due to a large number of regression bugs due to patches which either

Re: Doc CG 6.1: Add caveat on website work (issue 315130043 by gra...@percival-music.ca)

On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 06:03:28PM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: > > On 12/5/16 10:28 AM, "lilypond-devel on behalf of Graham Percival" > <lilypond-devel-bounces+c_sorensen=byu@gnu.org on behalf of > gra...@percival-music.ca> wrote: > > >The w

Re: website: texinfo macros for both ID and classes

On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 11:49:27AM -0500, Paul wrote: > For the website I'm thinking about adding a macro that can create a div with > both an ID and classes. Why? What problem would this solve? > This would be good to have in general and more intuitive for > those used to html. I'm not

Re: Doc CG 6.1: Add caveat on website work (issue 315130043 by gra...@percival-music.ca)

On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 09:24:54AM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > > If this intends to codify the website being tied to the documentation I > don't really like that. The website *is* tied to the documentation. That decision was made in 2009, and the reasons are just as valid today. - Graham

Re: New LilyPond website

On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 07:50:50PM +0100, Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote: > I've already given it a try, but get stopped by some errors I don't know how > to resolve (I've no knowledge about perl). Three patches are available for > anybody willing to help me… I can compile the English version,

Re: Stepping up, contributor mentoring

On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 11:34:01AM +, James Lowe wrote: > I have created > > https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/5006/ > > For the 'CSS change' Rietveld that I see you uploaded on behalf of Mr. > Roper just so it gets on my radar (and the countdown, including the URL > that Phil

Re: Stepping up, contributor mentoring

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 11:37:04PM -, Trevor Daniels wrote: > > Graham Percival wrote Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:11 PM > > > So, are there any vacancies on the Bug Squad? I've signed up for > > sourceforge (username: gperciva). > > I've added you to SF as

Stepping up, contributor mentoring

Hi all, I'm back. So, are there any vacancies on the Bug Squad? I've signed up for sourceforge (username: gperciva). Other than that, my primary interest remains in organization / mentoring new contributors. Has anything changed in regards to that in the past four years? Or shall I jump

Re: lilypond.org - file storage

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 05:57:45PM +0200, Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote: BTW, is there any difference between download/source and download/sources ? I'm pretty certain that one is a symlink of the other. If not, then one was a place to store some odd tarballs for GUB to download. Cheers, -

Re: lilypond.org - file storage

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 01:15:48PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: We also have source files back to 0.0 and 1.0. I assume we could never recreate these from Git, but are we ever going to need to? It certainly seems pointless keeping lots of source tarballs, given that all the more recent history

Re: mentoring opportunity: anybody claiming to care about the website

, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Graham Percival [1]gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Add weight to your opinions by showing that you're not afraid of getting your hands dirty. texi2html is a vital part of the documentation. It's currently used for the website as well

mentoring opportunity: anybody claiming to care about the website

Add weight to your opinions by showing that you're not afraid of getting your hands dirty. texi2html is a vital part of the documentation. It's currently used for the website as well, but that is almost incidental to its use for the rest of the documentation.

Re: lilypond documentation build issue (both 2.18.2 and 2.19.16)

On Tue, Jul 07, 2015 at 12:22:27PM +0200, Dave Plater wrote: On 7/7/15, Dave Plater dplater.l...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, there's a pretty big chunk of custom stuff in lilypond texi2html. See past discussion here: https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1000 is this issue likely

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 03:02:32AM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: A. Suggestions for LilyDev3: All of these suggestions would actually probably be for LilyDev4. I'm not sure that we will make another release of LilyDev3. But if we did, I'm still happy to host it. If somebody is available and

Re: Fwd: Google Code shutting down

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 11:33:22AM +0100, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: I can click the export button so all the issues are migrated to github. Thoughts, ideas? Didn't someone setup a lilypond organization at github? There was some discussion about that, which spilled over to gnu-hackers or

Re: lilypond documentation build issue (both 2.18.2 and 2.19.16)

On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 01:29:39PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Petr Gajdos pgaj...@suse.cz writes: If this is relevant, texi2html-5.0/texi2html.pl do not contain sub get_index in contrast of texi2html-1.82/texi2html.pl. Whoa. That one certainly looks like it will need attention soonish.

Re: GUB update

On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 04:33:05PM +, Phil Holmes wrote: I assume what is happening here is that the manual install places the mpc libraries where the gcc configur can't find them. In any case, doing this manually defeats the object of a self-building package builder. So what would be

Re: Add original-breaks.ly commands (issue 150670043 by lilyli...@googlemail.com)

On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 10:21:45AM +, tdanielsmu...@googlemail.com wrote: I've not followed the corresponding email discussion closely, and maybe I've missed something, but how is this better than simply using \obreak for an original break, and \nbreak for a new, required, break, having

Re: Compact Chord Symbols Patch

On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 12:53:53PM +0100, James wrote: I think we could improve the notes in the contributor's Guide generally. Having had to help three or four people over the last few months with a patch or two, I get how the instructions are probably rather confusing if not intimidating. I

Re: es means ees???

On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 01:41:30PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Richard Shann rich...@rshann.plus.com writes: Here, instead of ees, is written es. I read In Dutch, aes is contracted to as, but both forms are accepted in LilyPond. Similarly, both es and ees are accepted. This

Re: How can I change my email address for code reviews?

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 07:01:02PM -0400, Dan Eble wrote: I’m using LilyDev. ~/.gitconfig says nine.fierce.ball...@gmail.com. I’ve tried removing ~/.last_code_review_email_address. I’ve even gone as far as running rm -f ~/lilypond-git and getting it again with lily-git.tcl. No go. git

two patches for lilypad: accept?

Hi guys, I see that there's two patches for lilypad: https://github.com/gperciva/lilypad/pull/4 https://github.com/gperciva/lilypad/pull/3 Are these good? I think that Phil Holmes (and Christian Hitz) can accept them with the github interface, but if not, please let me know if I should accept

Re: Issue 2507: Stop the entanglement of context properties and grob property internals (issue 126280043 by d...@gnu.org)

On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 07:58:26AM +, d...@gnu.org wrote: At any rate, putting Graham in the Cc since event-listener.ly or equivalent code is purportedly used in Vivi. The change in event-listener.ly is independent of this issue itself and should be applied to any similar code in order to

Re: Rietveld with Google two-factor authentification

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 03:11:31PM +0200, Alexander Kobel wrote: My usual password is not accepted (which is good), since git-cl does not ask for the second-factor token (which is bad). And obviously git-cl is not able to cache the credentials - I get Could not find stored credentials

Re: astyle 2.02

On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 12:08:56AM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: If badly formatted = different than what fixcc.py would produce, i would say that LilyPond often gets badly formatted code - as you wrote, running fixcc now results in 400 lines of changes. This could, of course, be completely

Re: astyle 2.02

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 09:28:24PM -0400, Devon Schudy wrote: The cases where 2.04 does worse than 2.02 are minor; I don't think they're enough that fixcc.py should refuse to use it. Thanks for the analysis of astyle 2.02 vs. 2.04. I support switching to 2.04. However, fixcc.py should reject

Re: New ponding: Urs Liska Berne lectures (issue 94960043)

On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 06:02:48PM +, lilyli...@googlemail.com wrote: Updated patch, now applied to master. I hope you mean now applied to staging. You should never push anything directly to master. - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list

Re: Python 3 support

On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 04:41:46PM -0400, Julien Rioux wrote: I think the following would be a good 1-2 punch approach for the current development cycle: First, upgrade python in GUB and make sure we can build current dev and stable branches of lilypond from it. Then bump the python

Re: long-term goals (was: Lines and Ties and Slurs oh my!)

On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 07:07:39PM -0500, Kieren MacMillan wrote: I’ve know someone at Carnegie-Mellon University who is well-connected in the computer and music departments (he is both a composer and a programmer). I approached him recently with the idea of getting involved with

Re: Pre-review questions about image(s) and translations

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 08:33:37AM -0500, Carl Peterson wrote: My first instinct is to prepare an SVG file that could be processed with inkscape or another program as part of the make process. That is not do-able for the website due to our hostingbuild situation. I've commented on this

Re: Run grand-replace to update copyright

On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 10:38:04AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: I do not believe that there is a notion of package copyright in most countries' laws. On page http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/html_node/Copyright-Notices.html I see this: To update the list of year numbers, add each

Re: 3.0?

On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 12:07:07PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: But it would probably make it more attractive for the consumer market if it had a nice default GUI. I personally would be pleased to see Frescobaldi become such a default GUI (of course not cutting out other options). Particularly

Re: Run grand-replace to update copyright

On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 09:37:30AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: The purpose of listing the year is to give an indication of when the copyright will expire. AFAIK, this is not correct. We have to make a distinction between singular files and files that a part of a package. What matters

Re: License of files in Documentation/pictures and ability to distribute them unclear

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 03:28:22PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: There are a lot of files in Documentation/pictures which have no clear license, and unfortunately, the git log for them isn't clear at all either. Indeed; those should be clarified. Some of them cannot be distributed by lilypond

Re: Run grand-replace to update copyright

On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 08:09:45AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: I'm not a lawyer, but the year in a copyright notice is supposed to be the year of original publication. If you have a document first published in 2012 with a Copyright 2012 notice and you change the year to 2014 without

Re: Run grand-replace to update copyright

On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 08:42:59AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Looks like a mistake in the conversion script. `2012' should be changed to `2012-2014', of course. GNU maintainer's guide discourages that:

Re: Content of Introduction-Our Goal

On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 06:03:01PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: I see the need to modify the Our Goal box on Introduction, but I wouldn't want to do that on my own because it would feel like modifying someone else's tune instead of only adding a figured bass to it. I have no objection to any of

Re: contributing instructions are misleading!

On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 07:45:15PM +, James wrote: If you are comfortable with making patches and compiling, LilyDev is probably not for you. If you are not or want a ready-to-go environment and don't care that it's on some 'old' Linux release (i.e. not new and shiny) then LilyDev is

Re: contributing instructions are misleading!

On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 03:47:32PM +0100, Janek Warchoł wrote: 2014/1/1 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: Not quite. 1) is obvious, but equally important is 1.5) update incorrect info. Remember this latest iteration of interest in the CG happened because one or two new

Re: Images on Introduction and Features

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 02:49:35PM +0100, u...@openlilylib.org wrote: The images in the first text boxes on Introduction and Features are the same. Is there any specific reason for this? nah, I was just copying material from the old website to the new website. It makes sense to use different

Re: contributing instructions are misleading!

On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 06:35:36PM +0100, Janek Warchoł wrote: 2013/12/12 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: Sorry, this awoke Grumpy Graham. I should have expected that. Yes, you should have. :P Happy new year, BTW. Anyway, there are two parts to this cg cleanup: 1) removing

Re: CG organization (Git)

On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 09:55:39AM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: I'm somewhat confused about the organization of the CG chapters about Git and patch review. First: 3.2.2 Git for the impatient and 3.3 Basic Git procedures share some information, and this in a somewhat confusing way. Is there a

Re: CG organization (Git)

On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:40:04AM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: After a good deal of thinking, here's how i think CG should be structured. More thinking and discussion than we had the previous 4 times we reorganized the CG? from a week ago. Chapters 1 and 2 are solid (other than the bits

Re: Web: Download: Add introductory text (issue 40510046)

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 01:50:53PM -0500, Carl Peterson wrote: (2) utilizing back-end scripting (PHP, etc.) to custom-serve the content based on the http header. We're using a donated web-server, and don't have root access. When (not if) PHP has another security hole, I don't think we want us

Re: Web: Download: Add introductory text (issue 40510046)

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 01:27:05PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Maybe interactive is a useful term? Like LilyPond is not an interactive program: its sole task is translating a textual description of music into typeset music. For creating that textual description, an editor is required.

Re: Fwd: Re: Website improvements, part 1

On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 01:57:23PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: Am 12.12.2013 04:19, schrieb Graham Percival: ok. I also like the applicances tab, although I agree with you that the name might be ideal (but I also can't think of a better name right now). Just a bunch of ideas: We're talking

Re: Web: Download: Add introductory text (issue 40510046)

On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 07:48:28PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: But it's actually quite off-putting when you prepare a patch that is more or less based on a broad (and astonishingly productive) discussion on lilypond-user, and then (after two steps of

Re: Web: Download: Add introductory text (issue 40510046)

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:29:44AM +0800, Graham Percival wrote: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: I don't want to imagine what happens if I propose my rewrite of the Features page (http://www.openlilylib.org/lilyweb/features.html). A rewrite of a single page has less impact than

Re: Web: Download: Add introductory text (issue 40510046)

On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 01:23:51PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: Am 15.12.2013 06:47, schrieb Graham Percival: 2) they noticed the existing, read the text input page, but were still confused. Solution: improve the text input page. I think the only issue with text input might be that it isn't

Re: Web: Download: Add introductory text (issue 40510046)

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 07:53:38AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Note: LilyPond is a text-based music engraver; it is more similar to a programming language than a graphical score editing program. Before downloading LilyPond, please read about our Text input. Which is not helping much. It

Re: Web: Download: Add introductory text (issue 40510046)

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 12:42:16AM -0500, Carl Peterson wrote: Just thinking out loud here...would it be worth looking into tweaking the .htaccess file to do OS-based redirection on the download page, like many sites do? That's possible, but having the unified landing page lets us

Re: Web: Download: Add introductory text (issue 40510046)

On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 09:46:54AM +, lilyli...@googlemail.com wrote: On 2013/12/14 03:51:33, Graham Percival wrote: Umm, isn't the whole point of this to be a warning? Why are you removing the warning CSS tag? It's the whole point of this patch to raise this information

Re: Enable manual-specific styling of documentation; issue 3714 (issue 36480048)

On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:02:23AM -0500, Carl Peterson wrote: On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:36 PM, carl.d.soren...@gmail.com wrote: I think that the index sidebar colors are too dark. They dominate the page, in my opinon. In the current design, the sidebar color and the highlight box fill

Re: Website questions: GSoC

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 02:06:38PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: The page GSoC 2012 is obviously outdated. What should be done with it? I suggest deleting it. There's no evidence that the proposed mentors are still available or interested, and those specific proposals are a small subject of the

Re: Website questions: Manual-Web

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 09:34:28PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: When I go there I can download the whole website as a PDF. OK, this makes sense. Getting it as one big HTML page also makes sense. [but where can I get it in info format?) We don't provide links to the info documents, because IMO none

Re: Website questions: Manual-Web

On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 03:40:03PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: I _think_ the odd place of web in the manuals hierarchy is down to it being the only part of the documentation that built using make website - it has something of a split personality between being part of the documentation and the

Re: Enable manual-specific styling of documentation; issue 3714 (issue 36480048)

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 05:58:33PM -0500, Carl Peterson wrote: For those who need a visual of these changes, I've uploaded screenshots to the Google Code issue. https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3714. Woah, why are you changing the whole background? It looks a bit

Re: contributing instructions are misleading!

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 01:48:54PM +0100, Janek Warchoł wrote: PS ccing to Graham because he might be interested to know that Someone(TM) is doing Something(TM) to help new contributors! Sorry, this awoke Grumpy Graham. Reorganizing the CG is very much a something should be done, this is

Re: Website improvements, part 1

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 02:21:28PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: - I changed Easier editing to Editing. ok. I also like the applicances tab, although I agree with you that the name might be ideal (but I also can't think of a better name right now). - I organized the entry scenario (=

Re: contributing instructions are misleading!

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:20:22PM -0500, Carl Peterson wrote: I was able to connect to git with minimal fuss, and currently use the lily-git.tcl tool to handle commits and patches. Great! This suggests that the introduction in the CG is ok. All that said, where things got interesting for

Re: contributing instructions are misleading!

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 11:26:55PM -0500, Carl Peterson wrote: In my searching, I didn't find a page that really did this. Section 1.2 of the current CG should theoretically do this (based on the title), but it mostly just talks philosophically about git. Sounds good. I've never

Re: branching

On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 02:42:45PM +0200, Mike Solomon wrote: On the website, we would offer _all_ of these development branches, including the one built off of staging, as GUB builds. A few years ago, we were asked to cut our downloads down to 5 GB. I deleted a bunch of devel stuff and got it

Re: branching

On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 04:30:32PM +0200, Mike Solomon wrote: (quotes from David) The basic idea behind that is not to make confrontations nicer but reduce the necessity for them by establishing playing fields with different authorities. So that people can get work done without

centralization of lilypond development and forking (was: branching)

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 08:39:58AM +0200, Mike Solomon wrote: See: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Allows-minimum-length-to-work-for-end-of-line-spanners-issue-7453046-td141952.html#a142870 as one of several examples. There is truth in anything David says, meaning that I

Re: Reasoning behind convert-ly rule for stable update?

On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 06:12:16PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Does anybody know _why_ convert-ly updates at least to the last stable version number even if nothing else has been changed? Yes, because it's confusing for some users if they've downloaded the latest and greatest lilypond 2.18.0,

Re: Unverified issues?

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:26:13AM +0200, Eluze wrote: but weeks ago I already told how unfair this system is: Phil's releases happen on week-ends usually and then it's my turn - the others rarely get the opportunity to get accustomed to verifying. Well, if everybody strictly does no more

Re: verification and bulk edit [Re: Unverified issues?]

On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 09:49:07PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org It matches the theory. In practice, I've been startled quite a few times when bug squad members not just verified the commit to be present but also reported back when it

Re: lilypad is localized?

On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 08:24:13AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: So the real question _if_ it is localized is how you can figure out the translations used in the localized versions so that you can _copy_ them into the documentation and/or put better translations in _both_ places. Graham? I

Re: improving our contributing tools and workflow

On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 03:12:27PM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: On 26/09/13 14:52, Phil Holmes wrote: We've had bad experiences where a helpful and enthusiastic new contributor misunderstood the instructions, ran off and did 5 hours of work instead of 10 minutes, and none of the main

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