Linux-Advocacy Digest #249
Linux-Advocacy Digest #249, Volume #35 Thu, 14 Jun 01 23:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)) Re: This will not happen again, said the Microsoft spokesperson.Period. (Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)) Re: *Newbie* Linux/Windows 98 Dual Boot (GreyCloud) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Bob Hauck) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Bob Hauck) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Bob Hauck) Linux wins again (Linux Admin) MSnbc calls MS on MS's FUD campain! (Linux Admin) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) About Amiga... (John Bayko) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Colin Day) Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone? (Terry Porter) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Colin Day) Re: *Newbie* Linux/Windows 98 Dual Boot (Paolo Ciambotti) Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone? (Terry Porter) Re: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-032 : SQL Query Method Enables (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Terry Porter) Re: Why did Eazel shutdown? (Paolo Ciambotti) From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush.limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:29:32 -0400 Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: drsquare wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:41:26 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Cray Drygu [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Heterosexual contact - - MALE 23,361 - FEMALE 43,128 - TOTAL - 66,490 Hey look, you proved him right. By the way, how's the paint on your V key doing? You've been doing a heck of a lot of pasting recently. Too bad your pasted stats don't make sense as a reply to over half the posts you replied to with them. And the fact that there is no evidence that the stats are even close to valid. Other than the coffins... You miaght also like to know, that according to lates statistics, we havnet seen the median case yet. Do you have any idea what that means? And the Gay-rights activists always running around demanding MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE AIDS research If Gays aren't the overwhelming victims of AIDS, then why is it an issue for gay activists? H? -- Aaron R. Kulkis == In this country== the largest percentage of HIV infected people ( as far as we know) are homosexuals. In the rest of the world, they are overwhelmingly heterosexual. In this country gay activists are quite vocal and some are quite prominent, so they get noticed. -- From: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:27:43 +1200 GreyCloud wrote: Peter Köhlmann wrote: Chad Myers wrote: Who cares what you run in your home. We're talking about real businesses making critical decisions that effect their bottom line. It appears that they don't chose Linux. Yeah, yeah, Chad. By your definition IBM is no *real* business. Moron. Peter Chads just pissed because he didn't sell off his MS stock in time last year. He must have lost at least 2/3 of its original value by now. By spreading FUD he is hoping his stock will improve. I never invested in those crappy tech stocks, I have shares in Capital Properties, United Networks and Auckland Airport, where I earn 11% interest a year. Long term investments give the best return to those who are willing to wait. Matthew Gardiner -- From: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: This will not happen again, said the Microsoft spokesperson. Period. Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:30:13 +1200 GreyCloud wrote: Anonymous wrote: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6270970.html?tag=tp_pr Hey everyone! Microsoft said they will NEVER make a botched patch again! How reassuring! Let's all set our watches now and see how long before this promise is broken! == Posted Anonymously via Newsfeeds.Com ==--- Featuring the worlds only Anonymous Usenet Server ---== http://www.newsfeeds.com ==-- Hehehe... and Chad says that Sun screws up on patches... Bwahahahaha! Chads actually using Solaris 2.6, meaning he can't apply patches over files that are currently running or being accessed by other applications. Version 7 8 address these issues. If he really did know what he was doing, he would drop down into maintainance mode, which shuts off all services and unnecessary back groud tasks, then he will not have any problems applying the patches. Matthew Gardiner -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: *Newbie* Linux/Windows 98 Dual Boot Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001
Linux-Advocacy Digest #254
Linux-Advocacy Digest #254, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 04:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Gadget-lover's product suggestion: Linux Home Server ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Linux wins again (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Ketil Z Malde) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Ayende Rahien) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (GreyCloud) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (GreyCloud) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (GreyCloud) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (GreyCloud) Re: OT: The point of all of this... (was Re: Where is American pride?) (GreyCloud) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(GreyCloud) Re: Windows makes good coasters (JS \\ PL) Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS (GreyCloud) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (GreyCloud) Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (GreyCloud) Re: Redhat video problems. (Marada C. Shradrakaii) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud) Re: Getting used to Linux (GreyCloud) Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone? (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Ayende Rahien) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gadget-lover's product suggestion: Linux Home Server Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:14:42 GMT Flacco wrote: Unfortunately things are headed just as much in the opposite direction. Producers - of hardware, software, and content - don't mind making product improvements when they have to, but not if it means allowing you to skip commercials, easily switch to competing products, or pay for information only once - or not at all. Why should Sony's content division create information accessible on any old device when it can instead lock you into Sony's hardware division? And why should the media gods allow some nobody to make up their own DVD player and pipe video all over the place? Not when the DMCA can stop it. It's not like some little newcomer is going to come along with enough money to take over the industry by catering to the customer's needs. So yes, it would work, and no, it won't happen. Are you saying that a system like this would be illegal under the DMCA? I'm unaware of either DVD player or cable TV set-top box with digital video out, and the DeCSS case showed what will happen if you try to make your own. It's obviously a desirable feature, so something like the DMCA was needed to prevent indepent manufacturers from meeting the consumers' needs. -- From: Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux wins again Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 01:14:40 -0500 Linux Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Linux stops Solaris and the best the over priced W2K can do is come close to a tie on one benchmark while falling far behind on another! http://www.sysadminmag.com/articles/2001/0107/0107a/0107a.htm Interesting benchmark, however it's a bit difficult to gauge any real statistics from them. For starters, though the machines are identical, it only gives on architecture and any given OS can perform better or worse on any given machine (for instance, the quality of the SCSI drivers alone might make a difference). To show a real test, you should do the same tests on identical hardware using several different architectures. -- Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft From: Ketil Z Malde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:48:33 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Maynard Handley) writes: I said nothing about Mac or Linus users switching to Windows. I know. I thought of subverting them as the potential revenue stream. I see now that was not what you had in mind. If people want to dispute my reasoning, the points to dispute are my claim that the mass market of consumers do not upgrade because they perceive it to be a major hassle, I don't think that is the main obstacle. In my opinion, people in general upgrade hardware when they no longer can bear the performance of their systems. Basically, I think Intel should pay MS to make software bigger and slower. (Oh, they already do that for free :-) -kzm -- If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:04:02 +0200 Colin Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... The Ghost In The Machine wrote: Hahahahahah Oh yeah XP is a killer OS
Linux-Advocacy Digest #256
Linux-Advocacy Digest #256, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 06:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Ayende Rahien) Re: Here's a switch for a change (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Ayende Rahien) Re: Getting used to Linux (Edward Rosten) Re: Getting used to Linux (Edward Rosten) Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (Edward Rosten) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Edward Rosten) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Edward Rosten) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Edward Rosten) Re: IBM Goes Gay (Edward Rosten) Re: IBM Goes Gay (Edward Rosten) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius Maximus) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Edward Rosten) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Edward Rosten) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Edward Rosten) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance andignorance...) (Edward Rosten) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Edward Rosten) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Edward Rosten) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Edward Rosten) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Edward Rosten) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Edward Rosten) Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS (Edward Rosten) From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop. Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:08:10 +0200 GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Except my wifes HP 8175... 48Mb ram, 6Gb harddrive winmodem... cd-rom PII-mmx it runs too slow with win98se on it as it is. Doubt that it would do any better under XP. Get more RAM, 48Mb is not really adeque even for Win98. -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Here's a switch for a change Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:13:14 +0200 GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ayende Rahien wrote: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... No. It had become a moot point anyway... MS says I don't qualify. I'll go to Metrowerks compiler. They make compilers for a lot of different platforms. What do you mean, you don't qualify? You mean that you can't get the SP? That is correct. They won't give me one. I understand that you are on 28.8 I suggest that you would get Go!zilla or download accelerator and download it. Shouldn't take more than a week, at most. :-) -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop. Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:11:05 +0200 B. P. Uecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Bob Hauck wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:37:43 -0500, B. P. Uecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Hauck wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, I'm a dumbass and you are superior. Do you feel better now? No, we're really back to square one. But I am appalled that she couldn't come up with the answer. But why do you care? She's not _your_ IT person. I am not her boss either, so telling me that she's worthless is, well, worthless. I care because people like her cause people like you to say Windows sucks, it can't do ___. I can't tell you how many times I've seen poorly configured boxes blamed on a software company. True, I don't work with her, but it's like seeing someone turn off their computer by unplugging it, you just have a reflexive desire to make them STOP doing that. Perhaps it's altruistic. I've once met someone who did something like that. He had a extention cord with a switch, so you can turn on/off the power, and that is how they turn their computer on/off. I'd to come by to see why his computer kept losing files, and nearly beat him up when I saw him do it. When I asked him why he did it, he said Well, it's the power button, duh! -- From: Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:39:04 +0100 um... the religous war is simple, much like the vi/emacs war. VI and proud of it. -Ed I find I use vi or vim a lot. Vi loads up faster than xemacs. One of these days I'll buy O'reilleys little book on vi. Its a good book. There are loads of things I didn't know about vi, never mind
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 07:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Edward Rosten)
Re: Getting used to Linux (Glitch)
Re: Linux freindly ISPs? (Andy Jeffries)
Re: Linux wins again (pip)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: OT: The point of all of this... (was Re: Where is American pride?) (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick)
Re: Getting used to Linux (Ayende Rahien)
Linux Magic Filter Printing (Terry Porter)
Re: Getting used to Linux (mark34-@-)
From: Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:54:02 +0100
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It is indeed. If you want to see it, don't forget to include the
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-Ed
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From: Glitch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 04:21:34 -0400
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], F/@- wrote:
For example, I bought ATI all-in-wonder radeon board, it is a TV tuner
card and video card in one. the ATI mutlimedia software that comes with
it and the driver and the the movie editing software all run on windows.
They do not run on Linux.
Why did you buy a card with no Linux support, if as you say, you wanted
to use Linux? Seems a bit unlikely to me.
as surprising as it may sound some people want to have all the features
of an ATI AIW board even if it does mean not being able to use it in
Linux. I'm glad my AIW (non Radeon) works in Linux and I can watch tv
with it and in windows i can capture video with it and watch tv also.
i dont like teh fact that Unrreal and Quake3 are mostly dependent on
having a Voodoo type board since it seems like those are the ones that
utilize OpenGL/Glide the most. I'd say blame there is split between Loki
and the vid card manufacturers. Loki could have made the games less
reliant on those libs but the manufactuers could have made their boards
compatible with the libs as well.
--
From: Andy Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux freindly ISPs?
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:04:24 +0100
Shame, I'm on NTL cable and it rocks!!!
Hmm. I've heard many bad things about NTL. the ycouldn't even get a
perfectly ordinary iMac working.
I have only spoken to their tech support once and the girl (!) was
superb!!!
But, as linux developer I have a reasonable amount of knowledge
myself...
Cheers,
--
Andy Jeffries
Lead-developer of Scramdisk for Linux (SD4L)
Developer of the original Scramdisk Delphi Component
http://www.scramdisk.eu.org
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From: pip [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux wins again
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:10:25 +0100
drsquare wrote:
Benchmarks are bollocks.
You have such a way with words and reasoned arguments. Ever considered
becoming a politician ?
--
From: Thaddius Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:13:13 +0100
Stephen S. Edwards II wrote:
Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thaddius Maximus
wrote:
Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote:
Most of them feel its a lost cause. A lot of
Linux-Advocacy Digest #258
Linux-Advocacy Digest #258, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 08:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Windows makes good coasters (Stuart Fox) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Nick Condon) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance andignorance...) (Nick Condon) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius Maximus) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Thaddius Maximus) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Thaddius Maximus) Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS (Dan Pidcock) Re: *Newbie* Linux/Windows 98 Dual Boot (Stuart Fox) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Stuart Fox) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (David Brown) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Fernandinande Le Mur) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius Maximus) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius Maximus) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius Maximus) Re: MSnbc calls MS on MS's FUD campain! (Chris Ahlstrom) From: Stuart Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:53:56 +1200 Terry Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:49:43 +1200, Joe User had enough trouble using DOS, bash is more complicated Howso? Dos lacks up-arrow command history Doskey can be loaded. and command search, What do you mean? this makes DOS *harder* to use. Dos is a single user system, this makes Dos *harder* to use. When I'm in a directory in DOS and want to run an executable in that directory, I type the name of that executable. When I use bash, I have to do ./executable DOS is stupider than bash, which tends to make it easier to get a working knowledge faster (less commands to remember) -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon) Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) Date: 15 Jun 2001 10:58:57 GMT Edward Rosten wrote: Liberals? What are you on about. I think the US and UK definition of Liberal must differ somewhat since you attribute many evils to them which are completely unrealated, even oppersite to the things liberals here want. Yeah, when Americans say liberal they mean something like socialist. They can't say socialist because they've already warped that to mean communist, which of course has been twisted to mean unamerican. Unfortunately, it leaves no word for them to describe what we would call liberals. Libertarians are almost there, but have some illiberal kinks. -- Nick -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon) Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) Date: 15 Jun 2001 11:03:41 GMT Thaddius Maximus wrote: We (USA) do NOT have a representative democracy. Really? Better go and tell the occupants of the House of Representives to go home then. We (USA) have a constitutionally limited republic! Why not do both? -- Nick -- From: Thaddius Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:29:46 +0100 Edward Rosten wrote: The term representative democracy was devised by the democratic party and the tabloid press. Repeat an error often enough and long enough and people will start to believe in the big lie. BS. It is a description of a system where a buncha of representatives are elected (democratically) to run the country. Give it a rest Ed. The fact that the people of the US choose representatives is not indicative of a representative democracy. For the US to be a representative democracy the elected representatives would have to consult the people on each and every matter and cast their vote accordingly. This is clearly NOT the case in the US. In a representative democracy sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens through represenatives. This is clearly NOT the case in the US. Yes, in both systems there are representatives elected by the people, but in the US sovereign power does not reside in, nor is it
Linux-Advocacy Digest #259
Linux-Advocacy Digest #259, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 09:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Stephen Cornell)
Re: Getting used to Linux (Edward Rosten)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...) (Edward Rosten)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...) (Edward Rosten)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arroganceand
ignorance...) (Edward Rosten)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...) (Karri Kalpio)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...) (Edward Rosten)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...) (Edward Rosten)
Re: IBM Goes Gay (.)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
(Edward Rosten)
Re: IBM Goes Gay (.)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arroganceand
ignorance...) (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...) (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arroganceand
ignorance...) (Matthew Gardiner)
From: Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: 15 Jun 2001 13:22:19 +0100
Thaddius Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks for the offer Doc, but an educated fellow like yourself should
have no problem with a search engine.
I did. It's your turn to put up, or shut up.
--
Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644
University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
--
From: Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:25:33 +0100
In article 9gcn40$dna$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Glitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
i dont like teh fact that Unrreal and Quake3 are mostly dependent on
having a Voodoo type board since it seems like those are the ones that
utilize OpenGL/Glide the most. I'd say blame there is split between
Loki and the vid card manufacturers. Loki could have made the games
less reliant on those libs but the manufactuers could have made their
boards compatible with the libs as well.
You could also add Linux to the list, if it want to be used for games,
it should provide an abstraction library.
It does: OpenGL.
Or are you referring to a more general API?
-Ed
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From: Thaddius Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:19:45 +0100
David Brown wrote:
Edward Rosten wrote in message 9gclgt$cjn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you thing the victory was an international effort?
**Obviously** That's the point. Somewhere between the idiots who say
the US won the war single-handedly and the idiots who say the US
didn't do anything lies the truth.
Indeed.
There seem to be a huge number of idiots from the US on this group
(either that or a small number of very vocal idiots, which I think is
closer to the truth) who believe the US won it alone. there also seem to
be some other idiots who believe the reverse.
-Ed
Well said. But there is also the class of Americans who, although they
acknowledge that they were only part of the war in Europe, think that they
saved us as some sort of favour for which we should be humbly grateful.
The truth is that the US *had* to enter the war in Europe, for a number of
reasons. If they had not, then they would be in a very bad position
internationally, whether Germany had won or lost. The British and their
allies in Europe may possibly have won without US
Linux-Advocacy Digest #260
Linux-Advocacy Digest #260, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 10:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: Getting used to Linux (Ayende Rahien) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Matthew Gardiner) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux startsgetting good, Microsoft buries it inthe dust!) (Matthew Gardiner) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Dan Pidcock) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Macman) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Ayende Rahien) From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:09:41 +0200 Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gcus9$jc4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 9gcn40$dna$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... i dont like teh fact that Unrreal and Quake3 are mostly dependent on having a Voodoo type board since it seems like those are the ones that utilize OpenGL/Glide the most. I'd say blame there is split between Loki and the vid card manufacturers. Loki could have made the games less reliant on those libs but the manufactuers could have made their boards compatible with the libs as well. You could also add Linux to the list, if it want to be used for games, it should provide an abstraction library. It does: OpenGL. Or are you referring to a more general API? Something more general, I think. How is OpenGL performance when you've a card/driver that doesn't support it, btw? -- From: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What does XP stands for ??? Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:12:01 +1200 Stuart Fox wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... With the inclusion of raw sockets, its now known as eXPloitation You really are dense aren't you Matt? One guy complains because MS completes it's sockets implementation to make it standards compliant, and now it's a security hole? It's a security hole in most *nixes then as well. How many complete, and utter luser/morons do you see using UNIX? Matthew Gardiner -- From: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux startsgetting good, Microsoft buries it inthe dust!) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:15:01 +1200 Rotten168 wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote: Rotten168 wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote: Thaddius Maximus wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote: Well, well, lookie what we have here... another mullet rising up in the name of government handouts. As for US social problems vs. what's happening in Europe, I can vouch for the US not experiencing genocide within her borders like that which is taking place in Europe today. What country(s) may that be? Balkan countries. They aren't in the European Union and as a result donot come under the European Union's Humans Rights Act. Matthew Gardiner Regardless, it occurred and Europeans did nothing to stop it. THe holocast was occuring for years, business mean like Ford used forced labour in Germany during the war, yet the US did nothing about it. So, I'd say the US is tarnished with the same brush. Matthew gardiner No doubt... but no one is innocent. What's important is that it doesn't happen again. However, it seems the Jews haven't learnt. They sign a peace treaty with the palastinians, they two days later INVADE the territory, settle, then wonder why the palistinians are so pissed off! whats worse, the US does nothing about it! Hence the reason why the Palistinians believe the US is bias against them. Matthew Gardiner
Linux-Advocacy Digest #262
Linux-Advocacy Digest #262, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 12:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Windows makes good coasters (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Jon Johansan) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux wins again (Andrew Nesbit) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Chad Myers) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Macman) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) From: Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters Date: 15 Jun 2001 10:13:04 -0500 drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On 12 Jun 2001 13:42:04 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Since Windows 95, I have *once* had to download new video drivers for a particular video card I've owned (ATI Rage for Windows NT 4) and *those* were included with Service Pack 4. With *every* version of Windows since, the drivers were either included with the OS, or included with the hardware. Yeah, but if you've lost your disk... Download them? DOH What if the modem drivers were on the same disk! Hayes Generic Modem - nothing to download. Perhaps, more likely, your modem is already on the list of thousands supported. -- From: Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: 15 Jun 2001 10:09:05 -0500 Almost forgot: A program that needs 60 different libraries is depending on a very complicated software environment to support it. As of this writing, there is probably not a single distribution which, out of the box, provides that environment. Upgrading to that environment is helped by the various update services and tools that an increasing number of distributions are providing. It is worth asking, however, just how many of you would proceed with such an upgrade in confidence that it would work, and that nothing else would break? As the Linux software environment becomes more complex and powerful, it also risks becoming more brittle. The desktop will not be won as long as users must upgrade dozens of libraries, with a good possibility of breaking their systems, to get a new personal finance application. The desktop developers have a serious challenge ahead of them here: make the environment robust and easy to upgrade, or see the users wander away in frustration N, they won't wander away - they'll wait for developers to acknowledge the problem and then fix it in a future version (like MS did) Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:3b2a1c7a$0$789$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Well, DLL Hell is no longer a valid concept or issue in Windows 2000 or XP. Looks like that legacy has been taken up by linux - taken from the front page of Linux Weekly News (http://www.lwn.net/): gnucash 1.6 and the dependency nightmare gnucash is perhaps the prime example of shared library dependency hell. The executable requires no less than 60 different shared libraries, all, of course, with the right version. I'm sorry but... har! har! har! Upgrading to GNOME 1.4 addresses many of those dependencies, but not all of them. Sure, just upgrade Dealing with the rest has proved tricky, even for people who are accustomed to this sort of problem. -- From: Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: 15 Jun 2001 10:16:04 -0500 Peter Köhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jon Johansan wrote: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jon Johansan wrote: Norman D. Megill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:OR4V6.812$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 9g2bl8$eq$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Encarta, If I remember correctly, is Funk and Wagnels Encyclopedia, thrown onto CD by Microsoft. With content added, deleted, and modified per Microsoft's marketing agenda. Untrue - prove your claim! Are you on Microsofts payroll? Do they owe you something?
Linux-Advocacy Digest #263
Linux-Advocacy Digest #263, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 12:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Sandman) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Chad Myers) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Stephen Cornell) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: Windows makes good coasters Re: Redhat video problems. (flatfish+++) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (chrisv) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) From: Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:41:34 -0500 Rotten168 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Edward Rosten wrote: I have a growing suspicion that you don't know what the word liberal means. I have a growing suspicion that you don't know who liberals are. You have absoloutely no idea what liberals are about. You seem to think it is some passive middleground adopted by people who have no forceful opinions. You are completely wrong. -Ed I think that the simple fact of the matter is that there are many contradictory definitions of 'liberal' and they are all right. Conservatives use the word 'liberal' to refer to lefties here in America. I'm not sure how or why that started but it stuck. I think that the early liberals where romantic, emotional, dramatic... and despised by the federalist conservatives (Jefferson was an early liberal). I suppose that may be why, considering the philistine nature of contemporary conservatives. Actually, it's not just conservatives who use that term. It's a general American term for lefties. I've heard Democrats, Republicans, conservatives and liberals alike use the term. Yes, hard-core liberals refer to themselves as liberals. It's fair to say that the textbook definition of liberal is more akin to a libertarian in the contemporary world... people who believe in as little government intervention as humanly possible. There was a famous article by a libertarian which was entitled Why I am not a conservative... he objected to the term 'conservative' because he wanted things to change. Just another USENET battle over semantics. Exactly. I think to sum it up, Liberals are for more government to protect personal freedoms, whereas conservatives are for change -- less government involvement in our lives. It's kind of backwards, but their end goals are true to their names. And both are filled with hypocrasy =) -c -- From: Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: 15 Jun 2001 10:42:13 -0500 I so LOVE it when someone claims to have killfiled (or better yet, actually done it) - it is the ultimate proof that that person is not willing to consider anything but what they believe is true - very blind indeed... Mart van de Wege [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Quote from the article at Wininformant: Linux, which has thus far gained success and prominence without having to fend off any actual competition. This is rich. It really is. If this is the intellectual level of our competition, then I am sadly disappointed in the human race. I thought Jan J. was an exception to the rule. Tell me people, are NT advocates *really* all stupid?! Sorry for messing up the thread though, as I have Jan still killfiled, I'm now replying to Bobby. Mart -- Playing for the high one, dancing with the devil, Going with the flow, it's all the same to me, Seven or Eleven, snake eyes watching you, Double up or quit, double stake or split, The Ace Of Spades -- From: Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux-Advocacy Digest #265
Linux-Advocacy Digest #265, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 14:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: This will not happen again, said the Microsoft spokesperson. Period. (Todd) Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (Todd) Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Todd Merritt) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Colin Day) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Tim Adams) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Colin Day) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (drsquare) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (drsquare) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (drsquare) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (drsquare) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (drsquare) Re: Linux wins again (drsquare) Re: Linux wins again (drsquare) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) Re: OT: The point of all of this... (was Re: Where is American pride?) (drsquare) Re: OT: The point of all of this... (was Re: Where is American pride?) (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS (drsquare) Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS (drsquare) From: Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: This will not happen again, said the Microsoft spokesperson. Period. Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:43:37 +0800 Reply-To: Todd toddremove[EMAIL PROTECTED] Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6270970.html?tag=tp_pr Hey everyone! Microsoft said they will NEVER make a botched patch again! How reassuring! Let's all set our watches now and see how long before this promise is broken! Ummm... they did *NOT* say promise. They said 'said'. Learn the f@#$ing english language. -Todd == Posted Anonymously via Newsfeeds.Com ==--- Featuring the worlds only Anonymous Usenet Server ---== http://www.newsfeeds.com ==-- -- From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: 15 Jun 2001 12:01:03 -0500 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sandman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely you see the difference in a browser implementation where you build in the function of setting colors and fonts and changing the content. Netscape has this What's related, it's basicvally the same thing as NS is pulling, but it's -awa- from the webpage. Changing colors and fonts are for some a neccesity in order to read your page. Autodetecting words and linking them to MS sites falls into the bad sport arena, and they should have made a different implementation of that idea. I think you still don't understand what the Smart Tags do. The content of a page is not changed. And it's not just MS sites - you can go directly to the home page of the company in question. The other info - Company News, Company Report, Stock Quote does take you to related news on MSN, but so what? It has to go somewhere. Would you feel better if it went to Yahoo? Or Apple (it they had a news page)?If I want an instant stock quote it doesn't make any difference to me where it comes from Also, it's OFF by default. It must be turned ON first. It's a nice feature that many people will find useful. Those that don't can turn it back OFF (the default). It's not the big deal some folks here seem to think it is. Dan -- From: Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:44:44 +0800 Reply-To: Todd toddremove[EMAIL PROTECTED] top@pp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Lets all write to yahoo and complain. I am just had it with sites like yahoo that only supports windows. click on this site and you'll get an error that it is only supported on windoz. http://vision.yahoo.com/?id=1457763aid=5016 yahoo is as stupid as any business out there which only makes its web pages to one platform. They are not stupid. They are smart. They tailor their business to 90% of the browsers out there. Ever heard of the 80-20 rule? A good rule to abide by. You linux users will never understand. sigh -Todd -- From: Todd Merritt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux-Advocacy Digest #266
Linux-Advocacy Digest #266, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 14:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Redhat video problems. (drsquare) Re: Getting used to Linux (drsquare) Re: Getting used to Linux (drsquare) Re: Getting used to Linux (drsquare) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: IBM Goes Gay (drsquare) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Peter Hayes) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Peter Hayes) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (Nico Coetzee) Re: Linux wins again (Richard Thrippleton) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Aaron R. Kulkis) From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Redhat video problems. Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26:38 +0100 On 15 Jun 2001 07:22:03 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)) wrote: However, it's a bit of an arse to have to press Ctrl+Alt+plus to increase the resolution from 640x480 every time it starts up. Edit /etc/XF86Config or /etc/X11/XF86Config (which one depends on version and distribution). You'll several sets of of lines like this: Depth 16 Modes 640x480 800x600 1024x768 The Depth 16 refers to the colour depth; you might see sections for 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 24, and/or 32. Just edit the ones for the colour depth you use. The order of the names after the word Modes determines the order you see the modes. The first one is the one you start in, the second is one Ctrl-Alt-+ away, etc. Ahah, I'll have to look into that. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26:39 +0100 On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:40:37 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare wrote: I have to use windows because of my winmodem. This would never have happened if it wasn't for Microsoft. You can now get drivers for winmodems for linux. I have an external modem that doesn't rob the CPU of its clock cycles. One simple modem chip works better than any software and it won't get corrupted by any file system accidents either. Search the web for winmodem drivers for Linux. I have, but it's proving difficult to find anything. Try http://www.linmodems.org/ They call 'em linmodems. Maybe you'll find what you're looking for here. I had a look there, but it's a complete maze. Almost impossible to find a modem listed. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26:40 +0100 On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:39:04 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: um... the religous war is simple, much like the vi/emacs war. VI and proud of it. -Ed I find I use vi or vim a lot. Vi loads up faster than xemacs. One of these days I'll buy O'reilleys little book on vi. Its a good book. There are loads of things I didn't know about vi, never mind vim. How much is it? -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26:40 +0100 On 15 Jun 2001 03:02:25 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (mark34-@- [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... Why did you buy a card with no Linux support, if as you say, you wanted to use Linux? Seems a bit unlikely to me. May be because he liked that specific card? So even if he liked it, he should buy it even though it wouldn't work? -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26:41 +0100 On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:04:58 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Chris Ahlstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare wrote: Unless the installation program replaces some key Windows DLLs or mungs some Registry entry. Never happened with me. Every single program I've downloaded (and that's a LOT) has installed flawlessly. With Linux, I'm lucky if it installs at all, and that's AFTER downloading all the packages and dealing with all the conflicts. And if you're compiling from source, you may as well just not bother. Well, golly gee, I've had the opposite experience. Quite often an installed product (usually a Microsoft product) has fucked up my machine (or at least some of the apps that it runs). And at least two apps (Word 2000 and Visio 2000) run slow and act cranky on my
Linux-Advocacy Digest #267
Linux-Advocacy Digest #267, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 14:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux wins again (Ayende Rahien) Re: MSnbc calls MS on MS's FUD campain! (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Ayende Rahien) Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone? (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Todd Merritt) Re: IBM Goes Gay (Peter Hayes) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Rocketboy) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Andrew Nesbit) Re: More microsoft innovation (Macman) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (Brian Langenberger) From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:33:19 -0400 drsquare wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:04:58 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Chris Ahlstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare wrote: Unless the installation program replaces some key Windows DLLs or mungs some Registry entry. Never happened with me. Every single program I've downloaded (and that's a LOT) has installed flawlessly. With Linux, I'm lucky if it installs at all, and that's AFTER downloading all the packages and dealing with all the conflicts. And if you're compiling from source, you may as well just not bother. Well, golly gee, I've had the opposite experience. Quite often an installed product (usually a Microsoft product) has fucked up my machine (or at least some of the apps that it runs). And at least two apps (Word 2000 and Visio 2000) run slow and act cranky on my box at work. Well, I have had the complete opposite experience. Apart from Word being infinitely inferior to LyX. On Linux, I've compiled from source, installed using RPMs, and copied software by hand. All has worked flawlessly, except for compiling nmap, and that's probably because of Red Hat's gcc-2.96 snafu. Well, you must have an awful lot of dependencies and libraries already there. Translation: I, drsquare, don't install the commonly used libraries...and then wonder why they aren't available for my apps. Booo fucking hooo. -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact, Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole H: Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because you are lazy, stupid people G: Knackos...you're a retard. F: Unit_4's Kook hunt reminds me of Jimmy Baker's harangues against adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn. E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until her behavior improves. D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup ...despite (C) above. C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me. B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction that she doesn't like. A: The wise man is mocked by fools. -- From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:33:49 -0400 Neil Ellwood wrote: Chris Ahlstrom wrote: dependencies and conflicts worked out.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #268
Linux-Advocacy Digest #268, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 15:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linuxstarts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Rick) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Macman) Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Rick) Re: Linux freindly ISPs? ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Craig Gullixson) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux startsgetting good, Microsoft buries it inthe dust!) (Chad Myers) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Macman) From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush.limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:12:17 -0400 Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: GreyCloud wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote: Other than the coffins... And the Gay-rights activists always running around demanding MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE AIDS research If Gays aren't the overwhelming victims of AIDS, then why is it an issue for gay activists? H? Well, in New Zealand I hear the gay community saying they would rather promote more prevention, rather than the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff senario. Maybe instead of cure, prevention would be a better way of using the resources. Matthew Gardiner If I recall right, San Francisco was notorious for gay bathhouses that ran all night. When aids became a problem, most of the bathhouses shutdown. I suspect Ironically, it was RONALD REAGAN who was pushing for them to be shut downand the gay community later accused him of not doing anything about AIDS. Regan DIDNT do anything about AIDS. He was anti0homosexual. He he closed bathhouses, it had NOTHING to do with AIDS prevention. Left wingers are all about hypocrisy.. As opposed to you, all about ignorance and bigotry. that this helped in reducing the spread of aids some. Then public education on tv started via commercials, but the aids has gotten into every sector of life its starting to blur the lines. Africa, at least what we've been spoon fed on the news, is suffering heavily from aids. Not exactly sure what their real problem is over there. The news is sort of vague about it. I'm willing to bet that a LOT more of the men who get it are picking it up through homosexual contact than are willing to admit it. You apparently do NOT have a clue about the AIDS pandemic. Look at the numbers. how can there be a LOT more? large obnoxious sig snipped -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linuxstarts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:12:39 GMT In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:03:36 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: GreyCloud wrote: The Ghost In The Machine wrote: In comp.os.linux.advocacy, GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:58:43 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Ghost In The Machine wrote: [snip to address this point] [D] The biggest user (dare I say waster?) of energy in the world. 6% of the population consumes half of the energy. We're getting better, and our technology may well pull our collective rears out of the fire, but it's not something to be proud of. We also backed out of the Kyoto accord. While there may have been good reasons to do so (it's not clear to me personally), it's not going to help our reputation any. An interesting view of this situation -- literally -- can be had at http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/viewrecord?8086 [snip] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random picture here EAC code #191 0d:04h:37m actually running Linux. Most likely, no neutrinos were found during this message.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #269
Linux-Advocacy Digest #269, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 15:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Ayende Rahien) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Ayende Rahien) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (Ayende Rahien) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Ayende Rahien) Re: More microsoft innovation (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Chad Myers) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Jon Johansan) Re: Windows makes good coasters Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:25:40 +0200 Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:3b2a2f5c$0$817$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9garkb$ne0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Bob Hauck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:28:00 -0500, Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since when has accuracy or truth mattered to Netcraft? Since when have they mattered to you? Since when have they mattered to anyone on this groups? Matters to me. I was under the impression it mattered to you Ayende. Isn't that why we post here? If accuracy was my goal, I would've gone and read boring white papers. :-) Or visit non advocacy groups. In which I mostly lurk. These groups are about advocacy, not accuracy. I'm here because often enough, the discussions are interesting, and it's a nice diversion from code that would probably be better understand if it were in micro-code. I read SF for the same reason. -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What does XP stands for ??? Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:28:50 +0200 drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:52:25 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... You really are dense aren't you Matt? One guy complains because MS completes it's sockets implementation to make it standards compliant, and now it's a security hole? It's a security hole in most *nixes then as well. How many complete, and utter luser/morons do you see using UNIX? Well, Aaron says he uses *nix... Exceptions don't make rules. He didn't ask for the rule, he asked for utter luser/morons using Unix. -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:29:28 +0200 Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gddqd$gom$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... top@pp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Lets all write to yahoo and complain. I am just had it with sites like yahoo that only supports windows. click on this site and you'll get an error that it is only supported on windoz. http://vision.yahoo.com/?id=1457763aid=5016 yahoo is as stupid as any business out there which only makes its web pages to one platform. They are not stupid. They are smart. They tailor their business to 90% of the browsers out there. Ever heard of the 80-20 rule? A good rule to abide by. Stupid rule, those are *never* the same 20%. -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:44:35 +0200 drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Also, you can't pirate a book! alt.binaries.e-book You most certainly can. -- From: Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:49:11 -0500 Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Dan wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sandman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely you see the difference in a browser implementation where you build in the function of setting colors and fonts and changing the content. Netscape has this What's related, it's basicvally the same thing as NS is pulling, but it's -awa- from the webpage. Changing colors and fonts are
Linux-Advocacy Digest #270
Linux-Advocacy Digest #270, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 16:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Jon Johansan) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Getting used to Linux (robert$#--) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Craig Kelley) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Mig) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Zsolt) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Greg Cox) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Jon Johansan) From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush.limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:05:37 -0400 Rick wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: GreyCloud wrote: Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote: Other than the coffins... And the Gay-rights activists always running around demanding MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE AIDS research If Gays aren't the overwhelming victims of AIDS, then why is it an issue for gay activists? H? Well, in New Zealand I hear the gay community saying they would rather promote more prevention, rather than the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff senario. Maybe instead of cure, prevention would be a better way of using the resources. Matthew Gardiner If I recall right, San Francisco was notorious for gay bathhouses that ran all night. When aids became a problem, most of the bathhouses shutdown. I suspect Ironically, it was RONALD REAGAN who was pushing for them to be shut downand the gay community later accused him of not doing anything about AIDS. Regan DIDNT do anything about AIDS. He was anti0homosexual. He he closed bathhouses, it had NOTHING to do with AIDS prevention. Yes, it did, you moron. At that time, the only thing the medical community had to go on was a high correlation with something they called 'Gay Bowel Syndrome', and so they advised Reagan that the best way to stop the spread of AIDS was to shut down the bath houses. This caused the fags to simultaneously howl that a) nobody was doing anything to help stop AIDS and b) that shutting down the bathhouses, which is one place where the pathogen was being transmitted...wasn't right. Left wingers are all about hypocrisy.. As opposed to you, all about ignorance and bigotry. See above, idiot. that this helped in reducing the spread of aids some. Then public education on tv started via commercials, but the aids has gotten into every sector of life its starting to blur the lines. Africa, at least what we've been spoon fed on the news, is suffering heavily from aids. Not exactly sure what their real problem is over there. The news is sort of vague about it. I'm willing to bet that a LOT more of the men who get it are picking it up through homosexual contact than are willing to admit it. You apparently do NOT have a clue about the AIDS pandemic. Look at the numbers. how can there be a LOT more? I.e. a lot of Africans not admitting to engaging in homosexual behavior, thus, the African AIDS stats are probably not in line with reality. For the same reason...if you're going to argue that the USA is homophobic then the true proportion of homosexual:heterosexual aids is EVEN HIGHER than what the CDC numbers say. large obnoxious sig snipped -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall I: Loren Petrich's
Linux-Advocacy Digest #271
Linux-Advocacy Digest #271, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 16:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Jon Johansan) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Mig) Re: This will not happen again, said the Microsoft spokesperson. (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Zsolt) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Craig Kelley) From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush.limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:34:44 -0400 Fernandinande Le Mur wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:13:19 -0700, GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] expounded: If I recall right, San Francisco was notorious for gay bathhouses that ran all night. When aids became a problem, most of the bathhouses shutdown. I suspect that this helped in reducing the spread of aids some. Then public education on tv started via commercials, but the aids has gotten into every sector of life its starting to blur the lines. Africa, at least what we've been spoon fed on the news, is suffering heavily from aids. Not exactly sure what their real problem is over there. The news is sort of vague about it. The popmedia is dishonest about reporting on AIDS in Africa because they don't want to burst the bubble that AIDS is a threat to the general population, rather than just to some specific sub-groups. About a year ago Scientific American had a fairly PC article about AIDS in Africa and blamed rampant prostitution combined with sexual practices which cause small amounts of bleeding (dry sex, or women putting sand, baboon urine and such in their vaginas before fucking - no, I'm not kidding). In other words, the AIDS epidemic in Africa is the result of the sexual behavior of the victims. Yep. With modern screening in the blood supply (i.e. source of transfusions), in this day and age, the ONLY way to get AIDS is to behave like a MORON. -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact, Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole H: Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because you are lazy, stupid people G: Knackos...you're a retard. F: Unit_4's Kook hunt reminds me of Jimmy Baker's harangues against adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn. E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until her behavior improves. D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup ...despite (C) above. C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me. B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction that she doesn't like. A: The wise man is mocked by fools. -- From: Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: 15 Jun 2001 14:36:15 -0500 Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gdm1h$35d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:3b2a2b14$0$853$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It IS fact that whomever writes the content for Encarta under employ by MS DOES change, add and delete that content. yes, true. It is NOT fact that this is done according to their marketing strategy - I do not believe that claim and ask you to prove it. Factual integrity is something that can be literally assertained. Find a
Linux-Advocacy Digest #274
Linux-Advocacy Digest #274, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 18:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (.) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: Linux wins again (Stefan Ohlsson) Re: OT: The point of all of this... (was Re: Where is American pride?) (.) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (drsquare) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (drsquare) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (drsquare) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (drsquare) Re: Linux wins again (drsquare) Re: This will not happen again, said the Microsoft spokesperson. Period. (drsquare) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: 15 Jun 2001 21:19:12 GMT In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gddbc$e1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Said green in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:46:41 +1000; drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On 11 Jun 2001 11:10:02 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Norman D. Megill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:OR4V6.812$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 9g2bl8$eq$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Encarta, If I remember correctly, is Funk and Wagnels Encyclopedia, thrown onto CD by Microsoft. With content added, deleted, and modified per Microsoft's marketing agenda. Untrue - prove your claim! Prove they haven't. ah the very long task challenge that would take too long any way to win the argument. and being an reference source it should have changed (updated with current knowledge where appropriate) the best way to lie is to tell the truth unconvincingly the second best way is to tell a almost truth. (a version of the truth) You're sputtering. The fact is, MS *has* changed, added, deleted, and modified content according to their marketing strategy, with little or no regard for factual integrity. Oh no, not so fast: It IS fact that whomever writes the content for Encarta under employ by MS DOES change, add and delete that content. yes, true. It is NOT fact that this is done according to their marketing strategy - I do not believe that claim and ask you to prove it. Actually, it is a fairly well known *fact* that every single company that controls content of *any* of their products does so for one of two reasons: 1. market strategy 2. stratified legalities You need to go to business school. Putting aside that I disagree with your *OPINION*; It isnt opinion. Have you ever even been to college? Do you have any sort of management or marketing experience at all? even if it were true that wouldn't necessarily mean that they change content solely to drive their own market strategy. Quite right. Sometimes its entirely for reasons of stratified legalities, and sometimes its a combination of the two. It is never anything else. If so, then there is no source of content on the planet that is accurate - it's all biased towards whomever it's own is. Bingo. Accuracy is directly related to the ability of the market to efficiently synch to the strategy of the marketer. I know that is not true so your claim is invalid already. It actually is quite true. See education for details. =. -- George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy ---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard -- From: Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:16:44 -0500 Zsolt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I see you still don't get it... In Linux (and Unix in general) the version number is part of the name and it has always been like that - Windows
Linux-Advocacy Digest #275
Linux-Advocacy Digest #275, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 18:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (drsquare) Re: Getting used to Linux (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Dreg) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (GreyCloud) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Zsolt) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Dave Martel) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (GreyCloud) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Josiah Fizer) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:27:45 +0100 On 15 Jun 2001 14:05:13 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message Also, you can't pirate a book! I just typed book into Agent and found out yes indeedy you can pirate a book. You can pirate A LOT of books. How do you do that? Books are available on-line, including e-books or just the text of a book. But then you'd have to print it all out etc. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:27:46 +0100 On 15 Jun 2001 13:27:15 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because you're not intercepting pages, inserting your own links, then sending them off to millions of users. Neither do Smart Tags. You really should understand this before deciding that's it's evil. I have Windows XP here. It includes IE 6 with the Smart Tags feature. When was it released? Where can I get it from? -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:27:47 +0100 On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:57:01 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Rocketboy [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare wrote: With Linux, I'm lucky if it installs at all, and that's AFTER downloading all the packages and dealing with all the conflicts. Obviously you haven't sorted out all the conflicts and installed all the packages, or the software would work. If you have so much trouble installing Linux software, it only seems logical that you don't use Linux very often. I use it very often, but that doesn't get rid of the problem of having to reconnect and hunt down packages all the time. If you don't use Linux very often, it's only logical that you don't really know what you're doing with it. Since the first statement was incorrect, the rest is irrelevent. A poor workman blames his tools. Especially if the tools are shit. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:27:48 +0100 On 15 Jun 2001 11:41:14 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (robert$#-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare says... Why did you buy a card with no Linux support, if as you say, you wanted to use Linux? Seems a bit unlikely to me. May be because he liked that specific card? So even if he liked it, he should buy it even though it wouldn't work? It seems that the card works. It is just that Linux does not have the software and the drivers to use it. I meant, why did he buy it if it wouldn't work with linux, and he wanted to use it with linux? Linux seems to be always playing catch up. Once drivers are written to the card, a better card comes up with windows ready drivers, and by the time Linux can support the new card, another newer and better card comes out. Well, curse that evil linux for not having drivers written for it... So, for multimedia and graphics, linux remains a generation behind windows. And for important things, like stability, efficiency, and
Linux-Advocacy Digest #280
Linux-Advocacy Digest #280, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 20:13:06 EDT Contents: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Rick) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Rick) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rich Soyack) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Seán Ó Donnchadha) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mayor Of R'lyeh) From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush.limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:40:20 -0400 Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: Fernandinande Le Mur wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:13:19 -0700, GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] expounded: If I recall right, San Francisco was notorious for gay bathhouses that ran all night. When aids became a problem, most of the bathhouses shutdown. I suspect that this helped in reducing the spread of aids some. Then public education on tv started via commercials, but the aids has gotten into every sector of life its starting to blur the lines. Africa, at least what we've been spoon fed on the news, is suffering heavily from aids. Not exactly sure what their real problem is over there. The news is sort of vague about it. The popmedia is dishonest about reporting on AIDS in Africa because they don't want to burst the bubble that AIDS is a threat to the general population, rather than just to some specific sub-groups. About a year ago Scientific American had a fairly PC article about AIDS in Africa and blamed rampant prostitution combined with sexual practices which cause small amounts of bleeding (dry sex, or women putting sand, baboon urine and such in their vaginas before fucking - no, I'm not kidding). In other words, the AIDS epidemic in Africa is the result of the sexual behavior of the victims. Yep. With modern screening in the blood supply (i.e. source of transfusions), in this day and age, the ONLY way to get AIDS is to behave like a MORON. -- You claim to have sex with multiple partners. I guess you are a moron. -- From: pip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:43:10 +0100 Craig Kelley wrote: Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... apt-get install gnucash Where's the problem? Obviously LWN has it all wrong as does /. according to you... First of all, DLL Hell doesn't mean a ton of libraries; it means a ton of libraries THAT INSTALL OVER EACHOTHER (like MFC40.DLL, for instance). UNIX does not have this problem because we have this amazing thing called v-e-r-s-i-o-n-i-n-g on our libraries. This seems rather crap. Libraries should provide a *single* binary that simply gets added to and bugfixed. Changing interfaces is EVIL, WASTEFUL and reeks of poor design and a bad philosophy. In other words it sucks big time and you should admit it! I am not defending windows dll hell, just that this solution is crap. -- From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:39:30 -0400 GreyCloud wrote: Ayende Rahien wrote: Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I so LOVE it when someone claims to have killfiled (or better yet, actually done it) - it is the ultimate proof that that person is not willing to consider anything but what they believe is true - very blind indeed... Aaron is an exception, though. I run a google search on the number of people who has him killfiled, apperantly over 1000 people did. I think it's some sort of a record. http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=kulkisas_oq=killfile%20plonk Hey... maybe he's running for the Guiness World Record. You never know. It's always funny when I get a new e-mail account and those thousands of people say DOH! simultaneously! -- V -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to
Linux-Advocacy Digest #279
Linux-Advocacy Digest #279, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 20:13:06 EDT Contents: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (GreyCloud) Re: The Microsoft PATH. (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Rick) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Daniel Johnson) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (GreyCloud) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Nigel Feltham) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Rick) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Rick) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Seán Ó Donnchadha) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Charlie Ebert) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Peter Hayes) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Rick) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Seán Ó Donnchadha) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Rick) From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:09:56 -0700 Jon Johansan wrote: Almost forgot: A program that needs 60 different libraries is depending on a very complicated software environment to support it. As of this writing, there is probably not a single distribution which, out of the box, provides that environment. Caldera OpenLinux 2.4 does... it came with GnuCash and it worked. Upgrading to that environment is helped by the various update services and tools that an increasing number of distributions are providing. It is worth asking, however, just how many of you would proceed with such an upgrade in confidence that it would work, and that nothing else would break? As the Linux software environment becomes more complex and powerful, it also risks becoming more brittle. The desktop will not be won as long as users must upgrade dozens of libraries, with a good possibility of breaking their systems, to get a new personal finance application. The desktop developers have a serious challenge ahead of them here: make the environment robust and easy to upgrade, or see the users wander away in frustration N, they won't wander away - they'll wait for developers to acknowledge the problem and then fix it in a future version (like MS did) Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:3b2a1c7a$0$789$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Well, DLL Hell is no longer a valid concept or issue in Windows 2000 or XP. Looks like that legacy has been taken up by linux - taken from the front page of Linux Weekly News (http://www.lwn.net/): gnucash 1.6 and the dependency nightmare gnucash is perhaps the prime example of shared library dependency hell. The executable requires no less than 60 different shared libraries, all, of course, with the right version. I'm sorry but... har! har! har! Upgrading to GNOME 1.4 addresses many of those dependencies, but not all of them. Sure, just upgrade Dealing with the rest has proved tricky, even for people who are accustomed to this sort of problem. -- V -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) Subject: Re: The Microsoft PATH. Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:10:20 GMT In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Paolo Ciambotti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:29:51 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Martel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I'm still stuck trying to wend my way through the Zork trilogy. Xyzzy. Plugh. Remember? Remember without drugs? You are in a maze of twisty little wintrolls... ... all alike. Wait that makes sense. I smell a wumpus. Bats nearby! I feel a draft... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- of course, nowadays it would look like Unreal... EAC code #191 0d:18h:25m actually running Linux. Most likely, no neutrinos were found during this message. -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:12:19 -0700 Ayende Rahien wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... The LWN writer was frustrated at having to install a lot of new versions to get the latest gnucash working, and exaggerated the situation as DLL Hell, forgetting that new shared libraries won't break old apps. DLL Hell refers to an installer overwriting an old DLL with a new one, mysteriously breaking old apps. And vice versa,don't forget. The DLL Hell is the result of developers ignoring the guidelines set by MS regarding dll's behaviour. You are supposed to keep the same filename as long as you've backward compatability nailed down. If you break
Linux-Advocacy Digest #281
Linux-Advocacy Digest #281, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 20:13:06 EDT Contents: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: MySQL? (pip) Re: Linux wins again (Rex Ballard) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Rick) The Win/userbase! (Charlie Ebert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Rick) From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:54:37 -0400 The Ghost In The Machine wrote: In comp.os.linux.advocacy, chrisv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:00:22 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED]: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The US will never have personal freedom whilst their people are still continuosly brainwashed by Christian ideology. A. We're not. Most people I know don't go to church. This proves little, although I'm not sure how to show better evidence myself. It's clear, though, that the moderates are running the show -- one hopes they continue to do so. Of course, there's the issue as to what precisely a moderate is; the old joke bears repeating: There are two parties in the United States. The Right . and the Far Right. As for continuous brainwashing -- I'd be curious where. The worst examples of brainwashing I can think of is a Christmas tree or Jesus creche in the town square (or, in one case, a cross on a mountain which happened to be on government or park property) and some squabbles about which of evilution versus cretinism should be taught in the (local-government-run-and-funded) public schools. The cretinists want equal time; never mind that creationism isn't all that scientific. (A debate on this subissue is better left to talk.origins.) This may indicate that I'm far gone already, admittedly -- but one of the reasons the Religious Right hasn't made more headway is because the Founding Fathers passed Amendment I, which prevents religion from getting to far into government (they can of course donate to their heart's content, subject to various campaign financing restrictions). Actually, evolution and creationism are EQUALLY LACKING in explanations for how the earth came to be inhabited by humans. At this point, I would sooner believe that this planet was colonized by humans (or something) from out in space. In factif you read the old testament, and look at similar ancient stories from the Egyptians and the Hindus, there appears to be a LOT of talk about space craft flying around in OUR atmospherethe Hindus even described aeriel combat and strategic bombing campaigns. ...all...very very very strange for people living THOUSANDS of years ago. Mind you, our sex ed could apparently also be improved; there's more to sex ed than just say no. But I don't know precisely what goes on in there -- and some parents apparently think that bringing up Daughter in abject innocence until she turns 18 would fit the bill. (I doubt it, somehow; at least let her know which is a good touch versus a bad touch -- something taught in kindergarten. The boys might even have to be taught proper sexual techniques to bring a woman to orgasm, at some point. Of course, I suspect many of them find out during extracurricular activities... :-) ) B. Why do you think an ignorant troll like yourself has the wisdom to pass this kind of judgement? Uh, because he thinks he does? There's no requirement for intelligence on Usenet -- a fact demonstrated repeatedly on many newsgroups. :-/ (A pity, but at least the seasoned veterans thereof can quickly pick the wheat from the chaff. Borderline wheat, of course, is a little harder to identify -- but then, it always is. But yeah, I'd say drsquare seems to have a chip on his shoulder, judging from his statements. Tone it down, dr; It's only Usenet :-) ) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random grain product here EAC code #191 44d:10h:47m actually running Linux. All hail the Invisible Pink Unicorn (pbuh)! -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass
Linux-Advocacy Digest #276
Linux-Advocacy Digest #276, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 19:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Chad Myers) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Todd Merritt) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (GreyCloud) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Andrew Manore) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Macman) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (GreyCloud) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (GreyCloud) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (GreyCloud) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Andrew Manore) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Joseph T. Adams) From: Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:54:00 -0500 Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jon Johansan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:3b2a1c7a$0$789$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Well, DLL Hell is no longer a valid concept or issue in Windows 2000 or XP. Looks like that legacy has been taken up by linux - taken from the front page of Linux Weekly News (http://www.lwn.net/): gnucash 1.6 and the dependency nightmare gnucash is perhaps the prime example of shared library dependency hell. The executable requires no less than 60 different shared libraries, all, of course, with the right version. I'm sorry but... har! har! har! Upgrading to GNOME 1.4 addresses many of those dependencies, but not all of them. Sure, just upgrade Dealing with the rest has proved tricky, even for people who are accustomed to this sort of problem. Version hell (as it should be called) is nothing new to DLLs. All shared library environments encounter it at some point or another. Even Java has this problem to some extent. Of course, it's vogue to just bash MS for it, because they are the root of all evil, right? Well, when they keep on having the same problem over and over and over and over again... This is what we like to call stupidity. No one else has seemed to solve it. Sun made Java long after Microsoft had DLL problems. By your logic, Sun is way more stupid than Microsoft. It's one thing to perpetuate a problem it's another thing entirely to build it into your system. The problem is a general one, it's just another example of you loonies blaming MS for a common problem. -c -- From: Todd Merritt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:13:24 -0700 On 15 Jun 2001, Jon Johansan wrote: If thats a little rich for your blood, you can get a single S/390 node running vm/linux (suse, ibm) with all the licensing you need (including DB2 and software) for right around 600,000 US dollars, not including shipping and installation. Wow - just what I need to run my Free OS on - what a savings! I would hardly consider IBM to be a linux related company. Lets say that IBM is just a company looking to borrow some hype from Linux for the simple reason it's not-MS and cause it was easy to port to their already running *nix systems. Err, actually, the IBM mainframes were not running unix before, the IBM line that runs unix is their RS/6000, which runs AIX, and I haven't heard of anybody porting linux to that chip. In any case, if somebody had, I would hardly call it easy, it is a totally different architecture, and does not have segmented memory, which linux uses for it's own purposes. -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:55:51 -0700 Nick Condon wrote: GreyCloud wrote: Thaddius Maximus wrote: You keep using the term American democracy, would you please explain to this American its context in the scheme of the US Constitution? Even our pledge of Allegiance says its a republic. So what? Republic just means you haven't got a monarch. de·moc·ra·cy (d-mkr-s) n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies 2.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #277
Linux-Advocacy Digest #277, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 19:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Dave Martel) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: Here's a switch for a change (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (GreyCloud) Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Form@C) Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (GreyCloud) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Dan) Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (.) Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan) Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Gary Hallock) Re: More micro$oft customer service (.) Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan) Re: Getting used to Linux (GreyCloud) Re: Getting used to Linux (GreyCloud) Re: Getting used to Linux (GreyCloud) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (GreyCloud) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: 15 Jun 2001 17:17:14 -0500 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL---No one has ever suggested that it goes through Microsoft's servers. But Microsoft's software does change the structure of the web page by adding hyperlinks that the author never intended. Microsoft is clearly involved. PLEASE GET THIS THROUGH *YOUR* THICK SKULL--- I can make more structural changes to a page by changing fonts, colors, turning off graphics and sounds. Hell, I can use a text-only browser. Is the author of my text-only browser involved in a copyright issue? Dan -- From: Dave Martel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:16:33 -0600 SuSE Linux 7.2 for i386 Arrives, IA-64 On the Way http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-06-15-010-20-NW-SS SuSE Linux 7.2 has been released today, in its usual Personal and Professional flavors. What is not usual is the fact that SuSE GMbH has about to release a new flavor of SuSE on June 20: the first commercial distribution of Linux ported to the new Intel Itanium 64-bit processor. SuSE Linux 7.2 for IA-64 will be based on Linux Kernel 2.4.4 Besides the actual operating system, the IA-64 release comprises of 1,500 applications on 6 CD-ROMs, enabling the setup of Intranet and Internet solutions as well as setup and protection of heterogeneous networks. Professional users get all tools needed for setting up WWW, proxy, mail, and news servers in Linux. The support of large files up to 4 TByte equips SuSE Linux 7.2 for IA-64 for utilization as server system for complex database applications. snip This release, which comes a mere three months after the release of the SuSE 7.1 version... MS better start cracking the whip if they want to keep up with linux. :) -- From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: 15 Jun 2001 17:19:13 -0500 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In your example, only two parties are involved. The web page developer and the user. The user has the right to change the way they view the web page. Even there, I doubt if adding new links would fall under fair use, but let's pretend that it does. In the Smart Tags situation, a third party (Microsoft) changes the way you, the user, view the work of the author. By doing so, they are infringing on the copyrights of the author. Baloney, Joe. You clearly have not seen this in action or you wouldn't be making such ridiculous claims. Dan -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Here's a switch for a change Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:21:25 -0700 Ayende Rahien wrote: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ayende Rahien wrote: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... No. It had become a moot point anyway... MS says I don't qualify. I'll go to Metrowerks compiler. They make compilers for a lot of different platforms. What do you mean, you don't qualify? You mean that you can't get the SP? That is correct. They won't give me one. I understand that you are on 28.8 I suggest that you would get Go!zilla or download accelerator and download it. Shouldn't take
Linux-Advocacy Digest #278
Linux-Advocacy Digest #278, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 19:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: More microsoft innovation (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (GreyCloud) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (GreyCloud) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Mart van de Wege) Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone? (Richard Thrippleton) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (GreyCloud) Re: MSnbc calls MS on MS's FUD campain! (Rex Ballard) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (Nigel Feltham) Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone? (GreyCloud) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (Nigel Feltham) Re: Linux wins again (GreyCloud) Re: Linux Magic Filter Printing (GreyCloud) From: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:48:33 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No matter how you look at it (if you bother looking rationally), it is a big deal. From a creative author's standpoint, it's very negative since Microsoft is changing the content of the site. In fact, to the extent that the links are one element of the author's intent, Microsoft is even changing the intent of an author's site. From a practical standpoint, it's negative. Microsoft is now able to steer ALL INTERNET USERS to their site -- regardless of what the viewer wants. From a business standpoint, it's negative. It gives Microsoft the ability to usurp the web sites of their competitors -- or even companies they don't like much. From an advocacy standpoint, it's negative. Microsoft can effectively deface the pages of anyone supporting alternatives to the MS monopoly. It has a huge number of negatives and few, if any positives. Relax, Joe. Have you even seen it? You sound *extremely* paranoid here. I have seen it. Now. Instead of ad hominem attacks, what part of my objection is factually incorrect? NOTHING. -- From: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:48:51 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neither Google nor anonymizer changes the _content_ of pages. If they start changing the content, then they should be stopped. Smart Tags do not change the *content* of pages, either. It just presents more navigation options to the individual user. For a web page, hyperlinks are part of the content. -- From: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:49:52 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ayende Rahien wrote: Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... You, as a user, have certain rights under the fair use doctrine. Presumably, looking at the text only, or changing fonts, or similar things would fall under fair use. Microsoft, as a third party, does not have the same rights. They do have the rights to fair use, but what they're doing would almost certainly not fall under that doctrine. Your analogy stinks. Don't I, as the user, have a right to *want* those smart tags? You do not have the right to change my intellectual property, unless I grant you that right. Really? So what if turn off your graphics and sounds? Have I changed your intellectual property? These are all user-level options. I can do whatever I want to the display of *your* intellectual property on *my* computer, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. That's absolutely true -- and falls under the Fair Use Doctrine I already described to you. But for Microsoft to create a piece of software that automatically makes changes to the content does not. What part of that don't you understand? -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:54:25 -0700 The Ghost In The Machine wrote: In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:26:22 +0200 9gce0s$1o7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Your stock options are almost toilet paper as it is,
Linux-Advocacy Digest #282
Linux-Advocacy Digest #282, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 21:13:07 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (Rick) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Rick) Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick) Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick) Re: The Win/userbase! (pip) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Richard Thrippleton) Re: The Win/userbase! (Joel Barnett) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Bob Hauck) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Bob Hauck) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Bob Hauck) Re: MySQL? (Bob Hauck) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Bob Hauck) Re: The Win/userbase! (Charlie Ebert) Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: The Win/userbase! (Charlie Ebert) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Paolo Ciambotti) Re: The Win/userbase! (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: Linux wins again (Erik Funkenbusch) From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:11:14 -0400 Dan wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL---No one has ever suggested that it goes through Microsoft's servers. But Microsoft's software does change the structure of the web page by adding hyperlinks that the author never intended. Microsoft is clearly involved. PLEASE GET THIS THROUGH *YOUR* THICK SKULL--- I can make more structural changes to a page by changing fonts, colors, turning off graphics and sounds. Hell, I can use a text-only browser. Is the author of my text-only browser involved in a copyright issue? Dan GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL.. you may think you control the smart tags, but micro$ft really does. They can add anything they want, in ways you wont find. They can remove the optioin to turn the damn thing off. They can add links to send people from yahoo, AOL or anyplace else to MSN. They could add linke that sends people to competitors from my pages. And you have no choice in the matter. Get a clue. Buy one if you have to.o -- From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:12:05 -0400 Dan wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go read up on Fair Use. You as the user have different rights than a third party would. Furthmore, Microsoft most certainly _did_ make a change. Copyright law doesn't care whether you turned the feature on or not. The fact that it exists at all is a violation of the author's copyright. Baloney. The page has not been changed. If you consider an underline to be changing the page, then what of changing fonts, colors, turning off graphics and sounds? That's more of a change than this, yet no one is complaing about that. Dan You know, you really are a one note song. get a new one. -- From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:14:55 -0400 Dan wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No matter how you look at it (if you bother looking rationally), it is a big deal. From a creative author's standpoint, it's very negative since Microsoft is changing the content of the site. In fact, to the extent that the links are one element of the author's intent, Microsoft is even changing the intent of an author's site. From a practical standpoint, it's negative. Microsoft is now able to steer ALL INTERNET USERS to their site -- regardless of what the viewer wants. From a business standpoint, it's negative. It gives Microsoft the ability to usurp the web sites of their competitors -- or even companies they don't like much. From an advocacy standpoint, it's negative. Microsoft can effectively deface the pages of anyone supporting alternatives to the MS monopoly. It has a huge number of negatives and few, if any positives. Relax, Joe. Have you even seen it? You sound *extremely* paranoid here. Dan Really? Then prove these links dont deface pages, and prove that m$ CANT add links to their pages from competitor's pages. prove that m$ wont remove the ability to turn smart tags. And, if you dont know that m$ plays by all the dirty tricks they can muster ,you havent been around too long, or you havent been paying attention. -- From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:18:47 -0400 Dan wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I wanted links to send people to differnt places in my page, I would provide them. IF I dont, I dont want some third party sending
Linux-Advocacy Digest #283
Linux-Advocacy Digest #283, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 21:13:07 EDT Contents: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Chris Street) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: The Win/userbase! (Charlie Ebert) Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Chris Street) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Erik Funkenbusch) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Street) Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:58:51 GMT On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:19:45 +0100, Thaddius Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Brown wrote: Edward Rosten wrote in message 9gclgt$cjn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you thing the victory was an international effort? **Obviously** That's the point. Somewhere between the idiots who say the US won the war single-handedly and the idiots who say the US didn't do anything lies the truth. Indeed. There seem to be a huge number of idiots from the US on this group (either that or a small number of very vocal idiots, which I think is closer to the truth) who believe the US won it alone. there also seem to be some other idiots who believe the reverse. -Ed Well said. But there is also the class of Americans who, although they acknowledge that they were only part of the war in Europe, think that they saved us as some sort of favour for which we should be humbly grateful. The truth is that the US *had* to enter the war in Europe, for a number of reasons. If they had not, then they would be in a very bad position internationally, whether Germany had won or lost. The British and their allies in Europe may possibly have won without US help, but it would have been very unlikely. But with more concentrated help from Russia, Britain and Russia could have defeated Germany, leaving all of Europe united with Russia - not good at all for the US. Had Britain been defeated, the last resistance in Europe would be quickly overrun. Hitler would have been disposed of soon enough by other German leaders (Hitler was very charismatic, but not too smart - great for getting the support of German populace, but not ideal for running a new German empire). With smart leaders, they would have consolidated control in Europe and combined the technologies of the various countries. Then, if they had wanted to attack the US, they would have been able to do so without problem - they would have had better planes, better boats, better computers, better bombs, better rockets, and a far more efficient infrastructure. They could also have taken Russia, had the campaign been run rationally, and without a war on the Western front. The US could not risk this sort of senario, so their intervention in Europe was just as much for their own benifit as for their allies. Would have, should have, could have... yadda, yadda, yadda... The USA kicked the 3rd Reich's butt and kicked it hard and we blew the Pacific theater to smithereens. What more could you possibly ask for??? The USA aided the Europeans in kicking butt. The USA used the A-bomb built on the designs and theories developed in Britain. If those had not been made available an invasion the the Japanese Home islands would have been requried - something that would have been very messy for all sides involved. Oh and lets not forget Russia sacrificing 20 million men against the Axis. It was a joint effort. No party could have won it on their own. ... 79.84% of all statistics are made up on the spot. The other 42% are made up later on. In Warwick - looking at flat fields and that includes the castle. -- From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:00:04 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neither Google nor anonymizer changes the _content_ of pages. If they start changing the content, then they should be stopped. Smart Tags do not change the *content* of pages, either. It just presents more navigation options to the individual user. Navigation options -- the hypertext structure -- *are* content. That's the principal difference between HTML pages and ordinary text. -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com
Linux-Advocacy Digest #284
Linux-Advocacy Digest #284, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 22:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Fernandinande Le Mur) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) AIDS: Jo'burg women want 'sperms not rubber'. (Fernandinande Le Mur) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: Linux wins again (Paolo Ciambotti) Re: This will not happen again, said the Microsoft spokesperson. Period. (Paolo Ciambotti) Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (Paolo Ciambotti) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Erik Funkenbusch) From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:05:22 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL---No one has ever suggested that it goes through Microsoft's servers. But Microsoft's software does change the structure of the web page by adding hyperlinks that the author never intended. Microsoft is clearly involved. PLEASE GET THIS THROUGH *YOUR* THICK SKULL--- I can make more structural changes to a page by changing fonts, colors, turning off graphics and sounds. Hell, I can use a text-only browser. Is the author of my text-only browser involved in a copyright issue? You can do that all you want; that's part of the generally known and accepted way that the WWW works. Those are not, however, changes to the content of the page. Adding hyperlinks changes the content of the page. -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com web http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert -- From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:05:54 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL---No one has ever suggested that it goes through Microsoft's servers. But Microsoft's software does change the structure of the web page by adding hyperlinks that the author never intended. Microsoft is clearly involved. PLEASE GET THIS THROUGH *YOUR* THICK SKULL--- I can make more structural changes to a page by changing fonts, colors, turning off graphics and sounds. Hell, I can use a text-only browser. Is the author of my text-only browser involved in a copyright issue? NONE of your examples changes the content of the page -- or adds hyperlinks. This is something new. They look like hyperlinks. They act like hyperinks. They are... And I had to tell you to get it through your thick skull because you kept pretending that people were saying it went through MS' servers -- even after many people told you no one was making that claim -- Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft email woofbert at infernosoft dot com web http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert -- From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:09:08 GMT In article 9gdqqh$b0q$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 9gdm1o$35d$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Google change the look of pages, as does anonymizer.com, should they be sued as well? Neither Google nor anonymizer changes the _content_ of pages. If they start changing the content, then they should be stopped. Google colors the pages, anonymizer changes the links so you go through their site. Coloring the pages is an indication that they are served from Google's archives and not from the actual server. Anonymizer's links are changed only so that the web server can't see the actual address of the web site guest; the functional targets are not changed. Inneother case is the written content of the page changed. Note that you're the one bringing up suing them. Copyright infrigement usually leads to lawsuits. If the entity whose copyright is infringed stands to lose or gain enough money depending on the outcome. You cannot define copyright infringement bywhether it leads
Linux-Advocacy Digest #285
Linux-Advocacy Digest #285, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 22:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: The Win/userbase! (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: The Microsoft PATH. (Paolo Ciambotti) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Matthew Gardiner) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux startsgetting good, Microsoft buries it inthe dust!) (Matthew Gardiner) From: Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Win/userbase! Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:33:16 -0500 Your arrogance gives you away Charlie. Stop lying. Charlie Ebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article 2eyW6.15545$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Funkenbusch wrote: Charlie, it's really easy to tell when you're lying. You always give these long drawn out stories in which you insult everyone you talk to, yet they never seem to understand that you are insulting them. Really, If you talked the way you claim you talked to this person in this message, nearly anyone would have either left, or punched you in the face. Nope. And he'll be back again. Just as your back, time and time again. Like a fly, appearently on shit? Charlie Ebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On a sunny afternoon, I was called upon by a Windows user to explain exactly how a virus scanner works and why his virus scanner didn't detect a virus and kill it. I explained that a virus scanner for Windows works by scanning your memory and hard drive for known patterns of existing viruses and if it finds software which matches a known pattern it will either eliminate the virus or alert the operator or both depending on how you have it set up. He then went on to ask the question again, YES BUT WHY DIDN'T IT STOP MY COMPUTER FROM BEING INFECTED! And I re-explained that a virus scanner for Windows works by scanning your memory and hard drive for KNOWN PATTERNS of EXISTING VIRUSES and if it finds software which matches a KNOWN PATTERN it will either eliminate the virus or alert the operator or both depending on how you have it set up. After hearing this again the man just shook his head and said I heard what you said so I'll ask the question again, WHY DIDN'T MY VIRUS SCANNER KEEP MY MACHINE FROM BEING INFECTED! I responded by saying, The virus which infected your machine was obviously not one with a known pattern. It must have been a NEW VIRUS and not a pre-existing one which the company who wrote your virus scanning program knew about. So the virus just slipped thru the system undetected and damanged your setup. I proceeded to say You know a virus scanner will only work in Windows if the scanner knows what to look for. If you have a NEW virus then it will not work at all. More importantly, even if you have a detected virus on your system, the virus has already infected you and it's too late to do anything about it. The Virus scanner CAN NOT REPAIR DAMAGE to DAMAGED SOFTWARE. It can only alert you it happened! That's all it can do! He then backed up a foot and said, Who makes the BEST VIRUS SCANNER then? I told him you can't buy a good Virus scanner as there is NO GOOD virus scanner as most all viruses are NEW! That under Windows relying on a Virus scanner for your security is not going to work. That as I already explained, even if it detected a virus it would be too late, the damage is done. That it's absurd to even run a virus scanner. He then told me that this was the second time he reloaded his machine from the emergency disk and he wanted me to know he was tired of reloading it and just wanted me to tell him who made the best Virus scanner. Since I was good with computers and ran Linux that he was sure I could help him solve this problem. I told him that with Linux or any Unix, executables have to be declared by the user. That people can't just click on files and expect them to execute from E-mails. And that if a user declared a script attachment an executable and ran that script the most damage he would do to his machine would be to his local home directory and nothing more. I added that with Windows, scripts can be executed by simply double clicking on them. That there was no safety net to stop people from executing scripts. And that these scripts would or could destroy everything on his hard drive as there is no concept of a home/user area in Windows. So virus scanners will NOT work and Windows is NOT designed to stop any sort of damage. I concluded that no matter how hard he tried, he would never be
Linux-Advocacy Digest #286
Linux-Advocacy Digest #286, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 23:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Linux wins again (Rex Ballard) Re: MySQL? (David Dorward) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Chad Myers) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Chad Myers) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Chad Myers) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Chad Myers) Re: What does XP stands for ??? Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) From: Rex Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux wins again Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:17:26 GMT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ==56446CF1E2D8A470700DAE81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew Nesbit wrote: Linux Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:45:38 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Linux Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Linux stops Solaris and the best the over priced W2K can do is come close to a tie on one benchmark while falling far behind on another! Benchmarks are bollocks. Of course you have documented evidance to show these benchmarks as flawed??? I've responded to the nature of these benchmarks elsewhere in this thread. Major holes: Comparison of third string versions (Linux 2.2 and Solaris 2.8) Use of proprietary software for the benchmark. Tuning the benchmark to improve performance. I'm not sure whether he meant those *specific* benchmarks are bollocks for some particular reason, or whether benchmarks in general are bollocks. There are several different types of benchmarks. Some test a specific component of a system. The bytemarks are a comprehensive set of benchmarks which test specific components such as computational speed, floating point speed, file system speed, and interprocess communications effeciency. Linux as established itself as at least equal to all other commercial UNIX systems. At the same time, no version of Windows has ever had the results of these benchmarks published. Of course, just because you haven't published the benchmarks, doesn't mean that you don't know the results. Microsoft knew their details and used these to tune the Mindcraft benchmarks in it's favor. Simple tricks to make Windows 2000 look good: 4096 byte files - NT reads clusters at a time. Very large database files - NT works best with large files. Threads - NT threads are kernel managed. Single Process - NT doesn't multitask well, put everything into one executable memory space. Lots of hard drives and network cards. NT has hundreds of spinlocks, just make sure that the benchmarks don't trigger a fatal embrace (this is the most common cause of DLL hell. COM or other interthread communication without memory protection, just make sure that you keep spinlocks to a minimum. Be sure to compare it to CORBA. Lots and lots of memory. Windows 2000 needs plenty. One machine per Server. Simple tricks to make Linux look good. rand length files - Linux opens files faster. lots of little files - Linux ext2 was tuned for news and mh directories. Forked processes - shared memory, the mmu is all that changes, very fast context switching. Lots of little processes - Linux has faster context switches, better shared library optimization, and the Open Source libraries reduce the number of functions that reinvent the wheel. SCSI Raid Arrays, with lots of drives. Linux can optimize very effectively. Carefully partition the hard drives - Linux can optimize disk seeks. Not too much memory, not too much cache, Linux needs much less and uses it more efficiently. Put the database, web server, complex logic, custom applications, and middleware on the same machine. This usually triggers DLL Hell on NT/2K, but Linux was designed for this type of abuse. But yes, it is a fundamental fact in the computer industry that benchmarks, as a whole, are indeed, bollocks. The *only* way that one can tell whether some particular software/hardware configuration meets *your* specific performance requirements is to put use your own experience. There is an old saying: Even this requires that each corporation must run their own comparisons, even if they have been run for other companies using the same products. Microsoft forbids the publication of benchmarks, - and this is sufficiently general to prevent even communication between a consulting
