Re: RMS

2023-12-13 Thread borissh1983
On Wednesday, 13 December 2023 14:30:37 IST Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > In the view of Lifnei iver, > > > > Recently RMS had shared an alleged PFLP affiliated organization calls to > > prevent arms deals to Israel, PFLP participated in the Simhat torah &

Re: RMS

2023-12-13 Thread Marc Volovic (me)
RMS (besides being a rather egregious person in general) is, in this case, neither supporting nor not supporting anyone's enemies. He's calling to reduce arms sales to a state that engages in wholesale slaughter of civillians, just like its enemies

Re: RMS

2023-12-13 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: borissh1...@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 13:48:13 +0200 > Message-ID-Hash: W5NHGXQZJVMKFFHYYY5PG4X74ONPMXEH > > In the view of Lifnei iver, > > Recently RMS had shared an alleged PFLP affiliated organization calls to > prevent arms deals to Is

Re: RMS

2023-12-13 Thread borissh1983
In the view of Lifnei iver, Recently RMS had shared an alleged PFLP affiliated organization calls to prevent arms deals to Israel, PFLP participated in the Simhat torah massacre. https://www.stallman.org/archives/2023-sep-dec.html#9_December_2023_(Legal_challenges_over_arms_exports

Re: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-25 Thread Maayan Eshed
excuse the delay, im off grid most of the time but the letters RMS caught my eye my two cents: cent 1: == its not what YOU think about him - its about what HE thinks about you: If I were RMS's host i would go to the hosting uni's academic diplomacy dept or an institute like INSS and or some

Re: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-19 Thread Shlomi Fish
hi Omer! On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 6:35 PM Omer Zak wrote: > > Is he the same RMS who boycotted Israeli universities at 2011 happily > surrendering to demands of Palestinians - without even making a token > effort to ask if Israelis are willing to take over his trip's f

Re: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-18 Thread Steve Litt
dophilia thing" was saying the pedophile "wasn't all bad". And I'll say the same thing about RMS, he's not all bad. I'm eternally grateful to him for the GPL and the GNU utilities, and at the same time I think he has no right to expect help from Israelis, given the situation. And I

Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-18 Thread Yehuda Deutsch
then there is no restriction on inviting him to speak (even if they would ban him, there is no law banning someone from giving a lecture) Yehuda On Wed, May 18, 2022, 15:31 wrote: > Hi Julian. > > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 17:43:47 IDT Julian Daich wrote: > > Hi, > >RMS is coming to Te

Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-18 Thread borissh1983
Hi Julian. On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 17:43:47 IDT Julian Daich wrote: > Hi, >RMS is coming to Tel Aviv. I am receving him. He is looking for a place to >give a prentation in a mayor university on Msy 31 st or June 1st. Is there >here somebody from TAU or HUJI that can help to org

Re: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-18 Thread Julian Daich
El mié, 18 may 2022 a las 20:25, Anton Amirian () escribió: > > This is a literal quote from RMS > >I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The > >arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't > >voluntary,

Re: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-18 Thread Julian Daich
El mié, 18 may 2022 a las 17:35, Omer Zak () escribió: > > Is he the same RMS who boycotted Israeli universities at 2011 happily > surrendering to demands of Palestinians - without even making a token > effort to ask if Israelis are willing to take over his trip's finances > so th

Re: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-18 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Anton Amirian > Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 21:23:54 +0300 > Cc: Omer Zak , linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > > This is a literal quote from RMS > >I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The > >arguments that it causes harm > seem to

Re: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-18 Thread Anton Amirian
This is a literal quote from RMS >I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing If

Re: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-18 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Anton Amirian > Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 20:56:25 +0300 > Cc: Omer Zak , linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > > Honestly I'm kinda shocked that some people are more mad at him for not > liking israeli treatment of > palestinians than the whole pedophilia thing There's no pedophilia thing. There's a

Re: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-18 Thread Omer Zak
On Wed, 2022-05-18 at 20:36 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > If you distinguish between his views and deeds, you don't know RMS. > This is the man who never uses a smartphone, or a Web browser with > JavaScript support, because that could cause him to use non-Free > software. His views a

Re: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-18 Thread Anton Amirian
t; approved by the Palestinians. He supported, by his actions, the B part > > of BDS. > > If you distinguish between his views and deeds, you don't know RMS. > This is the man who never uses a smartphone, or a Web browser with > JavaScript support, because that could cause him to

Re: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-18 Thread Eli Zaretskii
proved by the Palestinians. He supported, by his actions, the B part > of BDS. If you distinguish between his views and deeds, you don't know RMS. This is the man who never uses a smartphone, or a Web browser with JavaScript support, because that could cause him to use non-Free software. His

Re: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-18 Thread Omer Zak
On Wed, 2022-05-18 at 18:59 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Dan Yasny > > Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 11:38:36 -0400 > > Cc: Israel Linux Mailing list > > > > Is he the same RMS who boycotted Israeli universities at 2011 > > happily > > surrendering

Re: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-18 Thread Omer Zak
On Wed, 2022-05-18 at 18:54 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Omer Zak > > Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 18:34:58 +0300 > > > > Is he the same RMS who boycotted Israeli universities at 2011 > > happily > > surrendering to demands of Palestinians - without even

Re: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-18 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Dan Yasny > Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 11:38:36 -0400 > Cc: Israel Linux Mailing list > > Is he the same RMS who boycotted Israeli universities at 2011 happily > surrendering to demands of Palestinians - without even making a token > effort to ask if Israelis are wil

Re: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-18 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Omer Zak > Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 18:34:58 +0300 > > Is he the same RMS who boycotted Israeli universities at 2011 happily > surrendering to demands of Palestinians - without even making a token > effort to ask if Israelis are willing to take over his tr

Re: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-18 Thread Dan Yasny
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 11:35 AM Omer Zak wrote: > Is he the same RMS who boycotted Israeli universities at 2011 happily > surrendering to demands of Palestinians - without even making a token > effort to ask if Israelis are willing to take over his trip's finances > so that Palest

(BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS

2022-05-18 Thread Omer Zak
Is he the same RMS who boycotted Israeli universities at 2011 happily surrendering to demands of Palestinians - without even making a token effort to ask if Israelis are willing to take over his trip's finances so that Palestinians won't have to pay for his non-boycotting trip to Israel

Venue for RMS

2022-05-18 Thread Julian Daich
Hi, RMS is coming to Tel Aviv. I am receving him. He is looking for a place to give a prentation in a mayor university on Msy 31 st or June 1st. Is there here somebody from TAU or HUJI that can help to organize it? He will no chsrge for his talk. Please, contact me in private. Thanks, Julian

Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Guy Sheffer
Hey all, I just spoke to the organizer, Sami Abu-Schada. Talk is in the Hebrew-Arab theater in Yafo. They sound like good folks. And they would be happy to have people come (and don't want to get in to the politics). What: A talk by Richard Stallman sponsored by the jaffa youth movement Where:

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011, Guy Sheffer wrote about Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details: Hey all, I just spoke to the organizer, Sami Abu-Schada. Talk is in the Hebrew-Arab theater in Yafo. They sound like good folks. And they would be happy to have people come (and don't want

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda
Stallman asked me to inform people about his two talks: Haifa: Copyright vs Community in the Age of the Computer Networks July 21 at 5pm (sharp). Baladna Youth Club Zion Street 3-A Haifa Tel Aviv area: For a Free Digital Society July 22, 15:00 Al Saraya Theater Mifratz Shlomo St. 10 (near the

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Stan Goodman
On 07/17/2011 04:35 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2011, Guy Sheffer wrote about Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details: Hey all, I just spoke to the organizer, Sami Abu-Schada. Talk is in the Hebrew-Arab theater in Yafo. They sound like good folks. And they would

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Michael Shiloh
On 07/17/2011 09:15 AM, Stan Goodman wrote: To be more general, it is unheard of for a prospective guest to set political conditions for his hosts. Aside of any other aspects, the man is a boor, and should have been ignored. I'm not sure that's true. Haven't musicians and other performers

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Orr Dunkelman
musicians and other performers used their platform as a way to express agreement or disagreement with particular political positions for ages? Michael It is very rare in computer science to mix politics and work. Actually, this is true for most exact sciences. As for RMS, who is an advocate

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Dima (Dan) Yasny
and work. Actually, this is true for most exact sciences. As for RMS, who is an advocate of freedom of rights, he has just agreed to accept money (travel costs) in exchange for giving away his freedom of speech. Tz'e Wolmad... /me don't see what the argument is about. I'll simply vote against

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Mordecha Behar
It is very rare in computer science to mix politics and work. Actually, this is true for most exact sciences. As for RMS, who is an advocate of freedom of rights, he has just agreed to accept money (travel costs) in exchange for giving away his freedom of speech. Tz'e Wolmad... /me don't see

Fwd: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Mordecha Behar
-- Forwarded message -- From: Mordecha Behar mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il Date: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details To: Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Etzion Bar-Noy
positions for ages? Michael It is very rare in computer science to mix politics and work. Actually, this is true for most exact sciences. As for RMS, who is an advocate of freedom of rights, he has just agreed to accept money (travel costs) in exchange for giving away his freedom

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread geoffrey mendelson
resent the whole idea of mixing computer science and politics. It makes the whole thing stink like unwashed feet. I'm just a little disappointed that the whole saga unraveled like this. I had higher opinions of RMS before this. This is from Stalman's posting: So I decided to follow my

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Matan Ziv-Av
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011, geoffrey mendelson wrote: To toss out some ad homynms, he's a blight on free speech and free software and he and his fsf have outlived their usefulness. He has crossed the line over which he should never cross, mixing free software with support of terrorists. You

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda wrote about Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details: And I guess also about his explanation: http://stallman.org/articles/palestine-trip.html Unlike other people on this list (who already mentioned Hitler on this thread, so I guess

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Moish
which will be very hard to rebuild. I too resent the whole idea of mixing computer science and politics. It makes the whole thing stink like unwashed feet. I'm just a little disappointed that the whole saga unraveled like this. I had higher opinions of RMS before this. This pretty much says

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Stan Goodman
On 07/17/2011 07:19 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: On 07/17/2011 09:15 AM, Stan Goodman wrote: To be more general, it is unheard of for a prospective guest to set political conditions for his hosts. Aside of any other aspects, the man is a boor, and should have been ignored. I'm not sure

Re: Fwd: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Stan Goodman
On 07/17/2011 08:43 PM, Mordecha Behar wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: *Mordecha Behar* mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il mailto:mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il Date: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details To: Tzafrir

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Stan Goodman
, and probably burn several bridges which will be very hard to rebuild. I too resent the whole idea of mixing computer science and politics. It makes the whole thing stink like unwashed feet. I'm just a little disappointed that the whole saga unraveled like this. I had higher opinions of RMS

[RMS11] Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Omer Zak
On Sun, 2011-07-17 at 22:58 +0300, Stan Goodman wrote: Arguably, he alone (in concert with his Palestinian hosts), is the one limiting free speech. This statement does not correspond to the facts of the case. The principle that RMS is violating is not the principle of free speech

[RMS11] Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Moish
resent the whole idea of mixing computer science and politics. It makes the whole thing stink like unwashed feet. I'm just a little disappointed that the whole saga unraveled like this. I had higher opinions of RMS before

Re: [RMS11] Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Stan Goodman
On 07/18/2011 01:03 AM, Moish wrote: So, free speech has nothing to do with individuals? well, isn't you right of free speech allows you to say that I only the foggiest notion of free speech? No, as I said, the concept of free speech has to do only with preventing governments from

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-16 Thread Amos Shapira
2011/6/13 Tom Balazs tom123onl...@gmail.com It seems that Mr. Snitz is a mathematician, anarchist,... Let me guess - he's a Chaos theorist? :) --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-15 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting geoffrey mendelson, from the post of Sun, 12 Jun: On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I don't agree with you, Geoff. What Richard Stallman does as a private person does not mean the FSF in involved. As a private person Richard Stallman has the right to boycott

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-15 Thread Erez D
not agree with everything RMS belives in. I may act differently if the FSF boycotts israel. I will probably not go to any of RMS lectures. I do not think he is anti-Semitic, but he have been at least insensitive. I also believe that leaving the issue in low profile would be best. you may agree

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-15 Thread Ely Levy
makers' usually cause the opposite ... ;-) (e.g. neville chamberlain) Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ On the subject: I wouldn't boycott the FSF. I love the idea behind the FSF, even if I do not agree with everything RMS belives in. I may act differently if the FSF boycotts israel

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-15 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Jun 15, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Ira Abramov wrote: you know, there IS a logical falacy of guilt by association. There may be, but there is a clear case here, RMS as president of the FSF has, ex officio (from his office, meaning as the president, not his desk) said that he was boycotting

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-15 Thread is123
what more would be required in order to be able to say with confidence that constitutes a boycott of Israel by the FSF. I will probably not go to any of RMS lectures. I do not think he is anti-Semitic, but he have been at least insensitive. Does everybody not realize Stallman was born Jewish? I

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-15 Thread Stan Goodman
on, I suggest we stop and call on the FSF spokespeople to give their opinion on the matter and maybe resolve it otherwise. I question that RMS does his lecturing as a private person, and that he is not engaged because of his connection, not to say identification, with FSF. When organizations

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-15 Thread Stan Goodman
http://ira.abramov.org/email/ On the subject: I wouldn't boycott the FSF. I love the idea behind the FSF, even if I do not agree with everything RMS belives in. I may act differently if the FSF boycotts israel. I will probably not go to any of RMS lectures. I do not think he is anti

RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-13 Thread Tom Balazs
I would have been happy to say this thread had run it's course, but this response from RMS and (his apparent associate / organizer) Kobi Snitz is too much. Mr. Snitz advises both myself and RMS that in order to make sure the talk in Israel meets the standards of the BDS-supporting organization

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-13 Thread Etzion Bar-Noy
want to look at the other side of the coin, and by boycotting us, he exposes his own stubbornness. Halas. Don't waste your time with him. Etzion 2011/6/13 Tom Balazs tom123onl...@gmail.com I would have been happy to say this thread had run it's course, but this response from RMS and (his apparent

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-13 Thread Gilboa Davara
Enough already. The RMS thread-craze is *clearly* against the rules and guide-lines of Linux-IL mailing list, as it has little to do (if any) with, and I quote Linux related *questions* and *discussions* (emphasis mine). ML owner: Time to intervene? - Gilboa

RMS discussion aftermath (hint, hint)

2011-06-13 Thread Aviad Mandel
Reading the recent drama regarding RMS' will lecture or won't lecture or may lecture or must lecture or must not lecture in Israel, I'll try to do some aftermath (I truly hope we're getting close to the after. Maybe not. I still have some popcorn). 1. Whoever reads the thread might reach

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-13 Thread Stan Goodman
On Monday 13 June 2011 at 15:53:39 (GMT+2) Gilboa Davara gilb...@gmail.com wrote: Enough already. The RMS thread-craze is *clearly* against the rules and guide-lines of Linux-IL mailing list, as it has little to do (if any) with, and I quote Linux related *questions* and *discussions

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Marc Volovic wrote: People, RMS (as well as any other person) is entitled to support, adhere, acquiesce or abhor, deny, etc any and all BDS activities. The man is entitled to his opinion and choice. It is his right as a man and as a public figure. Marc

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 09:45:33AM +0300, geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Marc Volovic wrote: People, RMS (as well as any other person) is entitled to support, adhere, acquiesce or abhor, deny, etc any and all BDS activities. The man is entitled to his opinion

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread Uri Even-Chen
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 09:45, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Marc Volovic wrote: People, RMS (as well as any other person) is entitled to support, adhere, acquiesce or abhor, deny, etc any and all BDS activities. The man is entitled

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I don't agree with you, Geoff. What Richard Stallman does as a private person does not mean the FSF in involved. As a private person Richard Stallman has the right to boycott Israeli institutions and universities. It does not mean that

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread Marc Volovic
Being significantly less conversant with US corporate law than e.g. Israeli corporate law, I'll take your comments at face value. Is RMS, by agreeing to the conditions set by the financial contributors to his visit, in violation of US law? Mind - to the best of my understanding - he has

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Marc Volovic marcvolo...@me.com wrote: Being significantly less conversant with US corporate law than e.g. Israeli corporate law, I'll take your comments at face value. Is RMS, by agreeing to the conditions set by the financial contributors to his visit

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread Stan Goodman
On Sunday 12 June 2011 at 22:24:54 (GMT+2) Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org wrote: f FSF falls under the anti-boycott law (and I don't know that) then not only must RMS refuse to visit the PA, he (i.e., FSF) must report the request (this is the legal term in the context) to the US

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:35 PM, Stan Goodman wrote: My guess is that the anti-boycott law has nothing to do with FSF or any other voluntary organization (like what is called amutah in Hebrew), which is what I understand FSF to be. They are a 501 c 3 corporation, which limits prevents them

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread Uri Even-Chen
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 22:35, Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.comwrote: My guess is that the anti-boycott law has nothing to do with FSF or any other voluntary organization (like what is called amutah in Hebrew), which is what I understand FSF to be. As far as I know, there is a law in

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread Steve G.
I do not think what he is doing is necessary illegal, especially since he leaves open the option of a 'bidding war', where someone else pays his expenses, but the way he handled this issue is very clumsy and unfortunate. As I had said before, he should have checked with his sponsor before offering

RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-10 Thread Tom Balazs
After Dr. Richard M. Stallman (RMS) cancelled his lecture at the University of Haifa I tried to arrange an alternative meeting hall for him. Like some other people I thought that all that was required was not an Israeli university or perhaps not a prominent symbol of the state. Yesterday (9-Jun

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-10 Thread Steve G.
I think RMS does not have any intention of speaking, and is the OSS/FSF?GNU version of what is known as a cock-tease, though he seems more like a plain schmuck from a distance. He should not speak, nor even visit Israel. He should support freedom of expression in the west bank and Gaza by staying

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-10 Thread Orr Dunkelman
One can think of a few action plans: 1. Who cares? RMS is known to be somewhat awkward, and his behavior of hey I'm coming, oh, I'm coming only if it is not a univ., oh, wait a second, I cannot come unless this is the boycott offices in Israel, does not add to him much. The advantage

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-10 Thread Stan Goodman
On Friday 10 June 2011 at 16:35:43 (GMT+2) Tom Balazs tom123onl...@gmail.com wrote: After Dr. Richard M. Stallman (RMS) cancelled his lecture at the University of Haifa I tried to arrange an alternative meeting hall for him. Like some other people I thought that all that was required

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-10 Thread Marc Volovic
[a whole pile of claptrap, including previously written and quoted claptrap, snipped] People, RMS (as well as any other person) is entitled to support, adhere, acquiesce or abhor, deny, etc any and all BDS activities. (Some of) Your moral outrage is not a whit less ridiculous that agreement

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-10 Thread Steve G.
I am not worried about his opinion, but his support of a boycott of Israel, and the fact that I have to rely on him for support of products I use. As far as I am concerned, my present view (after RMS and Mint) is that OSS is something to support as long as there is a commercial alternative

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-10 Thread Marc Volovic
Dear Stan, You are, indeed, entitled to as much freedom and opportunity to BDS Israel for its criminal policies and proclivities. You are, indeed, entitled to as much freedom and opportunity to BDS RMS and others for their BDS'ing Israel. Just, please, try to do so without speechifying

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-10 Thread Marc Volovic
Ah, Dear Stan, how appropriate and typical to your line of argumentation. Hail! You are a true representative of your cause. M On Jun 11, 2011, at 6:44 AM, Stan Goodman wrote: On Saturday 11 June 2011 at 06:30:36 (GMT+2) Marc Volovic marcvolo...@me.com wrote: Dear Stan, You are,

Re: RMS clarifies, backlash was unneeded

2011-05-30 Thread linux.il
Moreover, he says the ban imposed on him is NOT Israel in its entirety, but only the Universities (the private Shenkar College seems kosher according to him). The weird but sensible thing to do is find lecture halls outside the universities and there would be no conflict. So Ariel College

Re: RMS clarifies, backlash was unneeded

2011-05-30 Thread Dotan Shavit
On 05/30/2011 10:24 AM, linux.il wrote: Moreover, he says the ban imposed on him is NOT Israel in its entirety, but only the Universities (the private Shenkar College seems kosher according to him). The weird but sensible thing to do is find lecture halls outside the universities and there would

RMS clarifies, backlash was unneeded

2011-05-29 Thread Ira Abramov
I'm quoting below RMS' reply to Guy Shefer. He sent me a longer reply in person and they both confirm what I thought - he's more interested in fulfilling his original obligation and also use it for promoting collaboration. Moreover, he says the ban imposed on him is NOT Israel in its entirety

Introducing RMS-Lint

2004-04-01 Thread Shlomi Fish
Check: http://www.iglu.org.il/IGLU/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=33mode=threadorder=0thold=0 Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://shlomif.il.eu.org/

Re: Introducing RMS-Lint

2004-04-01 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Shlomi Fish, from the post of Thu, 01 Apr: Check: http://www.iglu.org.il/IGLU/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=33mode=threadorder=0thold=0 excellent :-) slashdot worthy :) -- For your eyes only Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/

Re: Introducing RMS-Lint

2004-04-01 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Quoting Shlomi Fish, from the post of Thu, 01 Apr: Check: http://www.iglu.org.il/IGLU/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=33mode=threadorder=0thold=0 excellent :-) slashdot worthy :) Eh, Ira, were you joking:

[rms@gnu.org: Re: Translating Hebrew to English]

2003-07-11 Thread Ehud Karni
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FSF needs volunteers for translation Hebrew to English. Any volunteer please contact the CCed in gnu.org: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Ehud. - --- Start of forwarded message --- From: Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Translating Hebrew to English]

2003-07-11 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Ehud Karni wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FSF needs volunteers for translation Hebrew to English. Is it translating from Hebrew to English or from English to Hebrew? In both cases, what has to be translated? In any case, I may be able to help here.

Re: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Translating Hebrew to English]

2003-07-11 Thread Eliran Gonen
Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: FSF needs volunteers for translation Hebrew to English. Is it translating from Hebrew to English or from English to Hebrew? In both cases, what has to be translated? I already translated the main page into hebrew but they always tell me to go to this Dov dude

Some Notes from the RMS Lecture

2003-01-16 Thread Shlomi Fish
Well, since my previous report was a bit self-centered, I decided to put some of other things Stallman said which I found particularily enlightening. Again, what I remember was filtered by my egoistic cognition, but it's all Stallmanism. Regards, Shlomi Fish One thing RMS noted

Re: Ha'aretz article regarding RMS

2003-01-15 Thread Richard Stallman
I'm afraid so. They write Linux in Hebrew, which is Lamed-Yod-Nun-Vav-Kof-Samech. They didn't add GNU. The name is written as GNU/Linux (Latin letters) pretty far down the article, in the sentence that specifies that calling the system by this name is a precondition for

Re: Ha'aretz article regarding RMS

2003-01-15 Thread Arik Baratz
Richard Stallman wrote: I'm afraid so. They write Linux in Hebrew, which is Lamed-Yod-Nun-Vav-Kof-Samech. They didn't add GNU. The name is written as GNU/Linux (Latin letters) pretty far down the article, in the sentence that specifies that calling the system by this name

Re: Ha'aretz article regarding RMS

2003-01-14 Thread Richard Stallman
Thanks for translating it for me. Does the article really refer to the system the first time as Linux? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo

Report on the RMS Lecture

2003-01-14 Thread Shlomi Fish
I arrived to the RMS lecture by a ride given to me from TAU by Yedidia Bar-David (thanks Didi!) and another TAU worker. On the way we talked about UNIXes, Linux and other stuff. After we arrived it took some time to find the suitable parking lot, but then we were instructed to come

Re: Ha'aretz article regarding RMS

2003-01-14 Thread Arik Baratz
Richard Stallman wrote: Thanks for translating it for me. Does the article really refer to the system the first time as Linux? I'm afraid so. They write Linux in Hebrew, which is Lamed-Yod-Nun-Vav-Kof-Samech. They didn't add GNU. Now that you mention it, I have never seen the combination

Re: Ha'aretz article regarding RMS

2003-01-14 Thread Uri Bruck
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Arik Baratz wrote: Richard Stallman wrote: Thanks for translating it for me. Does the article really refer to the system the first time as Linux? I'm afraid so. They write Linux in Hebrew, which is Lamed-Yod-Nun-Vav-Kof-Samech. They didn't add GNU. The name is

Re: [Yet another long post] Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery

2003-01-13 Thread Ira Abramov
have a different rank of importance for sharing. well, sharing is what gets you open sources. you like using them, you like that they are free. Why should hamakor not promote the idea(l) of sharing? towards Stallman should be, RMS is entitled to his opinions which do not contradict our goals

Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery

2003-01-13 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 23:33, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: The more I think about it, the more problem I have with it. I distrust ideology (managing to respect the notion in the process), and I have resolved many years ago that I would not be a member of any organization whose purposes and charter

RMS Lecture : Cab Ride

2003-01-12 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi! Since Petakh-Tikva is a bit out of the way for a Ramat-Aviv-Gimel person like me, I am planning to take a taxi there. If anyone wants to join me and share the bill, please speak now. Alternatiely, if you can give _me_ a ride in your private vehicle, I'll be more than glad to accept this

Re: RMS Lecture : Cab Ride

2003-01-12 Thread Shachar Shemesh
I have semi official information that reveals that bus number 49 from Ramata Aviv to Petach Tikva should cost about 8 NIS. Shachar. Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi! Since Petakh-Tikva is a bit out of the way for a Ramat-Aviv-Gimel person like me, I am planning to take a taxi there. If anyone

Re: RMS Lecture : Cab Ride

2003-01-12 Thread Christoph Bugel
On 2003-01-12 Shachar Shemesh wrote: I have semi official information that reveals that bus number 49 from Ramata Aviv to Petach Tikva should cost about 8 NIS. The IBM building is also some 10 or 15 minutes walk from the Jabotinski / Geha junction. And getting there is quite easy with public

Re: RMS Lecture : Cab Ride

2003-01-12 Thread Christoph Bugel
On 2003-01-12 I wrote: The IBM building is also some 10 or 15 minutes walk from the On second thought, make that 20 minutes. Your mileage may vary :) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in

Ha'aretz article regarding RMS

2003-01-12 Thread Arik Baratz
Hello Richard, linux-il members. (Un?)Fortunately I am ill, so I had some free (as in beer) time and translated most of this article back into English. If someone can give a copy to RMS on Tuesday, it could be nice, I know he was interested in the content of this article. I won't come, I'm

Ha'aretz article regarding RMS

2003-01-12 Thread Arik Baratz
can give a copy to RMS on Tuesday, it could be nice, I know he was interested in the content of this article. I won't come, I'm afraid. Terminology: I use f/b for Free as in free beer or the Hebrew HINAM and f/s for Free as in free speech or HOFSHI in Hebrew. I didn't translate the entire article

Re: Ha'aretz article regarding RMS

2003-01-12 Thread Christoph Bugel
On 2003-01-12 Arik Baratz wrote: Terminology: I use f/b for Free as in free beer or the Hebrew HINAM and f/s for Free as in free speech or HOFSHI in Hebrew. The word HOFSHI seems to be popular as the hebrew translation of 'free as in speech', but I think when people hear TOCHNA HOFSHIT they

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