[LUTE] Re: Theorbo pieces

2015-06-16 Thread Anthony Hart
:12:39 +0200 A A Subject: Re: [LUTE] Theorbo pieces A A From: [3]anthony.hart1...@gmail.com A A To: [4]wfeis...@msn.com A A CC: [5]bruno.l...@gmail.com; [6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu A A I was dissociated in the Torelli Tutor. It does have a few exercises

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo pieces

2015-06-16 Thread Bill
Thanks for the additional information and correction, Anthony! Bill __ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:12:39 +0200 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Theorbo pieces From: anthony.hart1...@gmail.com To: wfeis...@msn.com CC

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo pieces

2015-06-16 Thread Bruno Figueiredo
Hi Bill, I'm aware of Torelli's tutor, however as you pointed out it lacksactual pieces, and that's what I need. You mentioned seicento, is it a = publisher? Thanks. 2015-06-16 14:18 GMT-03:0= 0 Bill [1]wfeis...@msn.com: Dear Bruno, Although I do not play= the theorbo

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo pieces

2015-06-16 Thread Bruno Figueiredo
but as for actual pieces it is a b= it lacking. For pieces I found the two volumes of a Easy Theorbo pieces pub= lished by Seicento useful. These are not actual theorbo works but lute and baroque guitar transcriptions. Quite nice pieces and playable as a beginner= . On Tuesday

[BAROQUE-LUTE] 14 String Guitar in Theorbo Tuning

2015-04-03 Thread sterling price
Hi all--here is an eBay auction I have for an earlier Weiss Guitar that I made. It has 14 strings and is presently tuned as a re-entrant theorbo. Now is your chance to have an extended range guitar for under $900. [1]14 String Guitar [2]image

[LUTE] Re: theorbo time line

2015-04-02 Thread Ed Durbrow
Good find! On Apr 1, 2015, at 4:13 AM, Alain al...@musickshandmade.com wrote: I think this is cool: http://www.tiorba.eu/timeline.html - Nice time line and documents about the theorbo. I just chanced on it, and in case this is not common knowledge I thought I would share the link. Ed

[LUTE] Re: theorbo time line

2015-03-31 Thread Alain
I think this is cool: http://www.tiorba.eu/timeline.html - Nice time line and documents about the theorbo. I just chanced on it, and in case this is not common knowledge I thought I would share the link. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc

[LUTE] Re: theorbo time line

2015-03-31 Thread Bruno Figueiredo
Thanks Alain, it's a very good link. Regards. 2015-03-31 16:13 GMT-03:00 Alain [1]al...@musickshandmade.com: I think this is cool: [2]http://www.tiorba.eu/timeline.html - Nice time line and documents about the theorbo. I just chanced on it, and in case this is not common

[LUTE] For Sale: Stevenson Theorbo Flightcase

2015-03-25 Thread BENJAMIN NARVEY
Dear theorbists (in particular the North Americans who have to fly to every concert), I am selling my Stevenson theorbo flightcase. Blurb is below, and do click on the link to Wayne's site way at the bottom to see photos. Contact me in a private message if interested. All

[LUTE] Re: 19c theorbo?

2015-03-17 Thread Dan Winheld
Always shaking my head, rolling my eyes, and counting all those upper pegbox pegs when the pics or the subject of the 19 course chromatic theorbo comes up. (Even the chromatic harmonica is a rare handful compared to the regular diatonic ones, but seems to be a more manageable widespread

[LUTE] Re: 19c theorbo?

2015-03-17 Thread Roland Hayes
His libro primo also I believe. r -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Martin Shepherd Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 10:54 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] 19c theorbo? Dear Collective Wisdom, Is there any music

[LUTE] 19c theorbo?

2015-03-17 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear Collective Wisdom, Is there any music apart from that in Kapsberger's Libro Quarto which calls for a theorbo of more than 14 courses? Thanks for your help, Martin --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com To get on or off

[LUTE] Re: 19c theorbo?

2015-03-17 Thread Sean Smith
theorbo comes up. (Even the chromatic harmonica is a rare handful compared to the regular diatonic ones, but seems to be a more manageable widespread instrument.) How many thumbs did Kapsberger have going up his right wrist? Dan On 3/17/2015 8:21 AM, Roland Hayes wrote: His libro primo also I

[LUTE] Re: 19c theorbo?

2015-03-17 Thread jean-michel Catherinot
yes: Kapsberger terzo libro, + Modena Ms (2 pieces I think) Le Mardi 17 mars 2015 16h37, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net a A(c)crit : Always shaking my head, rolling my eyes, and counting all those upper pegbox pegs when the pics or the subject of the 19 course chromatic theorbo

[LUTE] Re: 19c theorbo?

2015-03-17 Thread Bruno Figueiredo
chromatic A A theorbo comes up. (Even the chromatic harmonica is a rare handful A A compared to the regular diatonic ones, but seems to be a more A A manageable A A widespread instrument.) A A How many thumbs did Kapsberger have going up his right wrist? A A Dan

[LUTE] Kingham Theorbo Cases for Sale

2015-03-01 Thread BENJAMIN NARVEY
Dear Luters, A shameless plug. I'm selling two of my theorbo cases, info below: [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/forsale.html KINGHAM THEORBO CASES for sale: I have duplicate cases for two theorboes and, due to the restraints of a small Paris flat, I have decided

[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-11 Thread Dan Winheld
Ralf- Thank you! Never knew- any pictures of this thing? Anyone building/playing them these days? Dan On 2/11/2015 8:27 AM, Mattes wrote: Am Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2015 17:17 CET, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net schrieb: ...a pantaleon solo... I thought I knew all the instruments-

[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-11 Thread Dan Winheld
theorbo. Gebel was a close friend of Johann Kropfgans. I believe his single lute piece is an arrangement of a pantaleon solo, which Gebel played quite succesfully (he used an all gut-strung instrument, BTW). Thanks and best regards Stephan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute

[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-11 Thread Dan Winheld
Got it- http://www.la-gioia-armonica.de/english/margit-übellacker-dulcimer-salterio-dulcemelos/instruments/ On 2/11/2015 8:27 AM, Mattes wrote: Am Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2015 17:17 CET, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net schrieb: ...a pantaleon solo... I thought I knew all the instruments-

[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-11 Thread David van Ooijen
and theorbo A A I'm nit at home so cannit check. Graupner'sA Johannes is onA in A A YouTube. It was a bit of a fad in Holland some years ago, at the A A anniversary of Graupners birth or death. It's a long piece. Haven't A A played it myself, but aA friend did

[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-11 Thread Stephan Olbertz
This is exciting! Hier hängt die Unschuld nackt und bloss, aria with Tenor and (judged by the mp3 on amzon.de) d-minor theorbo. Gebel was a close friend of Johann Kropfgans. I believe his single lute piece is an arrangement of a pantaleon solo, which Gebel played quite succesfully (he used an all

[LUTE] Some French Theorbo

2015-02-10 Thread Shaun Ng
Dear All, I am a viol and theorbo player living in Sydney, Australia. Because of my fascination with the French theorbo repertoire, I have begun to post some YouTube videos of me playing some of the theorbo pieces from the Saizenay manuscript. I would like to invite you to view

[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-04 Thread jean-michel Catherinot
]tio...@gmail.com: Dear friends, For a project in the Conservatorio where I teach I'm collecting some arias with obbligato lute and theorbo. At the moment I have all the Bach music, all the HACURndel, some Vivaldi, a cantata by Ferrandini and (the funny

[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-04 Thread jean-michel Catherinot
can find this out but need some time...) Andrea 2015-02-03 10:57 GMT+01:00 Diego Cantalupi [1][1]tio...@gmail.com: Dear friends, For a project in the Conservatorio where I teach I'm collecting some arias with obbligato lute and theorbo. At the moment I have

[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-04 Thread jean-michel Catherinot
: Dear friends, For a project in the Conservatorio where I teach I'm collecting some arias with obbligato lute and theorbo. At the moment I have all the Bach music, all the HACURndel, some Vivaldi, a cantata by Ferrandini and (the funny) Zandonai. Do you have

[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-04 Thread David van Ooijen
, A A A A For a project in the Conservatorio where I teach I'm collecting A A some A A A A arias with obbligato lute and theorbo. A A A A At the moment I have all the Bach music, all the HACURndel, some A A A A Vivaldi, a cantata by Ferrandini and (the funny

[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-04 Thread David van Ooijen
] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo A A Wagner aria in Meistersinger. A A Britten aria in The Triumph Orianna (written for lute but final score A A has guitar) A A There's a lot of Telemann that has lute(like) instruments obligato. A A Worth to check his cantatas

[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-04 Thread David van Ooijen
09:09 A A A Cc: List LUTELIST A A A Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo A A A AA A Wagner aria in Meistersinger. A A A AA A Britten aria in The Triumph Orianna (written for lute but final A A A score A A A AA A has guitar) A A A AA

[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-03 Thread howard posner
On Feb 3, 2015, at 1:57 AM, Diego Cantalupi tio...@gmail.com wrote: What I'm looking for is not lute as an obbligato continuo instrument, but as a solo instrument (like Bach's Johannespassion). There’s Il Sacrifizio di Abramo by Camilla de Rossi (1708), which has concerto-like movements for

[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-03 Thread jean-michel Catherinot
)crit : Dear friends, For a project in the Conservatorio where I teach I'm collecting some arias with obbligato lute and theorbo. At the moment I have all the Bach music, all the HACURndel, some Vivaldi, a cantata by Ferrandini and (the funny) Zandonai. Do you have any other

[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-03 Thread Andrea Damiani
...) F.B. Conti: David (I can find this out but need some time...) Andrea 2015-02-03 10:57 GMT+01:00 Diego Cantalupi [1]tio...@gmail.com: Dear friends, For a project in the Conservatorio where I teach I'm collecting some arias with obbligato lute and theorbo. At the moment I

[LUTE] Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-03 Thread Diego Cantalupi
Dear friends, For a project in the Conservatorio where I teach I'm collecting some arias with obbligato lute and theorbo. At the moment I have all the Bach music, all the Händel, some Vivaldi, a cantata by Ferrandini and (the funny) Zandonai. Do you have any other suggestions? What I'm looking

[LUTE] Re: Ren lute as sub for theorbo

2014-11-07 Thread David Tayler
work best on a middling to large size theorbo. For this piece, I use a single reentrant instrument in G because it works best for all the keys, but you could certainly go with an A instrument as well. A double reentrant instrument will have octave issues. It just sounds better

[LUTE] Re: Ren lute as sub for theorbo

2014-11-03 Thread Edward C. Yong
I think that depends on what sort of context in which you intended to replace the theorbo with a Renaissance lute. If you’re thinking of providing accompaniment for a singer in a domestic context, the lute can play the notes, just not the low octaves at cadences. Any more than

[LUTE] Re: Ren lute as sub for theorbo

2014-11-03 Thread Christopher Wilke
be confined to pre-1600 and that the large Roman theorbo is the most correct instrument to use in baroque plucked continuo is a thoroughly modern one that didn't exist during the actual period. Chris [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad At Nov 2, 2014, 21:35:42, Herbert Ward'[2]wa

[LUTE] Re: Ren lute as sub for theorbo

2014-11-03 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 2014-11-03, 8:18 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: Ren lute is absolutely fine. When I played in the Collegium at Eastman, Paul (O'Dette) occasionally sat in with us continuo players. He always used his 8 course I played continuo on my 7-course renaissance lute for many years in a

[LUTE] Re: Ren lute as sub for theorbo

2014-11-03 Thread Martyn Hodgson
If you believe the lute 'works well' and is 'quite audible' for continuo in ensemble, such as that required for a Bach harpsichord concerto, why do you think the theorbo was ever invented? __ From: Geoff Gaherty ge

[LUTE] Re: Ren lute as sub for theorbo

2014-11-03 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 2014-11-03, 10:47 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: If you believe the lute 'works well' and is 'quite audible' for continuo in ensemble, such as that required for a Bach harpsichord concerto, why do you think the theorbo was ever invented? Oh, certainly, an archlute or theorbo

[LUTE] Re: Ren lute as sub for theorbo

2014-11-03 Thread Christopher Wilke
Martyn, On Mon, 11/3/14, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:    If you believe the lute 'works well'  and is 'quite audible' for    continuo in ensemble, such as that required for a Bach harpsichord    concerto, why do you think the theorbo was ever invented? I've often wondered

[LUTE] Re: Ren lute as sub for theorbo

2014-11-03 Thread howard posner
On Nov 3, 2014, at 7:47 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: why do you think the theorbo was ever invented? Well, one clue is that the first theorbo design was commissioned in 1595 by the Marketing Committee of the Pan-Italian Chiropractors Association. To get on or off

[LUTE] Re: Ren lute as sub for theorbo

2014-11-03 Thread Roland Hayes
] On Behalf Of Christopher Wilke Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 11:41 AM To: Geoff Gaherty; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Martyn Hodgson Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ren lute as sub for theorbo Martyn, On Mon, 11/3/14, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:    If you believe the lute 'works well

[LUTE] Re: Ren lute as sub for theorbo

2014-11-03 Thread Mayes, Joseph
To find out why the theorbo was invented, you'd have to ask the inventor: Rube Goldberg JM On 11/3/14 11:56 AM, Roland Hayes rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org wrote: I suggest its origins were for the solo singer to accompany himself (Peri, Caccini, others in Italy ca. 1600). Salamone Rossi calls

[LUTE] Re: Ren lute as sub for theorbo

2014-11-03 Thread Christopher Wilke
I think the real reason for the invention of the theorbo was to provide easy fodder for an unending stream of juvenile phallic jokes. My favorite was after a rehearsal for Monteverdi's Vespers. One of the singers, a very attractive young lady, came up to me and said, Oo

[LUTE] Re: Ren lute as sub for theorbo

2014-11-03 Thread Heartistry Old
of the theorbo was to provide easy fodder for an unending stream of juvenile phallic jokes. My favorite was after a rehearsal for Monteverdi's Vespers. One of the singers, a very attractive young lady, came up to me and said, Oo, that thing is ENORMOUS! I've been watching you

[LUTE] Re: Ren lute as sub for theorbo

2014-11-03 Thread Dan Winheld
On 11/3/2014 8:57 AM, howard posner wrote: On Nov 3, 2014, at 7:47 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: why do you think the theorbo was ever invented? Well, one clue is that the first theorbo design was commissioned in 1595 by the Marketing Committee of the Pan-Italian

[LUTE] Ren lute as sub for theorbo

2014-11-02 Thread Herbert Ward
I saw a production of Monteverdi's Return of Ulysses last night. In the orchestra was a theorbo. At least I think it was a theorbo. It has a prominent place in the production, serving as the sole accompaniment for approximately six of the songs. Would it be feasible to replace the theorbo

[LUTE] EMS Theorbo for sale

2014-09-22 Thread Edward C. Yong
Hi everyone, So I was browsing the EMS Used Instrument Agency, as one does, and I found this: 'EMS Bass Lute - an early example, but in fairly good condition - no case’ And it turns out to be a theorbo for £600. http://www.earlymusicshop.com/UIA/images/instruments/1985S.jpg http

[LUTE] For Sale: 2 Kingham Theorbo Cases

2014-08-17 Thread BENJAMIN NARVEY
--001a1134d26e9f56350500d38097 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dear All, Apologies for this intrusion. Please contact me off list if interested. Kind regards, Benjamin KINGHAM THEORBO CASES for sale: I have duplicate cases for two theorboes and, due to the restraints of a small Paris

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-15 Thread Martyn Hodgson
: Thursday, 14 August 2014, 22:29 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8 On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:26:19 +0200, Benjamin Narvey wrote Both. Whike French theorboes tended to be single strung, This sounds as if we can make sound statements about the the types of instruments used

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-15 Thread Shaun Ng
own engravings he played an instrument that, according to modern folklore, was a typical french theorbo (rather small, single strung with a roundish/deep body). This can be seen in both surviving instruments, historical sources What kind of sources besides

[LUTE] Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread BENJAMIN NARVEY
for an Italian theorbo? I assume this predilection is a modern tradition. Are there any historical sources for having 8 short and 6 long on Italian theorboes? Obviously Weiss and Baron, et al., had 7 stopped stringsA since they were in baroque tuning without the top f'. Campion may have

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread Benjamin Narvey
diapasons. What source (if any) gives the disposition 7 + 7 for an Italian theorbo? I assume this predilection is a modern tradition. Are there any historical sources for having 8 short and 6 long on Italian theorboes? Obviously Weiss and Baron, et al., had 7

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread Richard Simões
A moderately-sized 7x2/7x1 theorbo by Christofolo Choc exists at theA Musikinstrumenten in Berlin. I'm not sure of others; the 7/7 arrangement is overwhelmingly found on attiorbati. The widespread contemporary usage on theorboes seems mostly due in its great convenience, with modern

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread R. Mattes
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 19:00:24 +0200, Benjamin Narvey wrote Of course! I meant courses, not strings. Single stringing is mainly a modern phenomenon... Where did you get this idea from? Is this statement based on _historic_ evidence or on surviving instruments? Cheers, Ralf Mattes To get on

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread R. Mattes
. What source (if any) gives the disposition 7 + 7 for an Italian theorbo? I assume this predilection is a modern tradition. Are there any historical sources for having 8 short and 6 long on Italian theorboes? Obviously Weiss and Baron, et al., had 7 stopped stringsA since

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread Benjamin Narvey
Both. Whike French theorboes tended to be single strung, only the largest Italian ones (stopped string length near 100 cm) were single; the vast majority of Italian theorboes (and the ones corresponding to the sizes we tend to play, 80 cm and up) almost always double. This can be seen in both

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread R. Mattes
; the vast majority of Italian theorboes (and the ones corresponding to the sizes we tend to play, 80 cm and up) almost always double. Poor Castaldi - according to his own engravings he played an instrument that, according to modern folklore, was a typical french theorbo (rather small, single strung

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread Bruno Figueiredo
tunning if not because of its size? A What's the role of the theorbo as a continuo instrument? Should it be powerful? I think so, then it should be big enough (nowadays just a good amp is needed - tube like to be more historical).A What kind of sources besides iconography and surviving

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread Alain Veylit
and up) almost always double. Poor Castaldi - according to his own engravings he played an instrument that, according to modern folklore, was a typical french theorbo (rather small, single strung with a roundish/deep body). This can be seen in both surviving instruments, historical sources What kind

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread howard posner
On Aug 14, 2014, at 2:29 PM, R. Mattes r...@mh-freiburg.de wrote: Poor Castaldi - according to his own engravings he played an instrument that, according to modern folklore, was a typical french theorbo (rather small, single strung with a roundish/deep body). Unless it’s the tiorbino

[LUTE] Re: theorbo on airplane

2014-06-19 Thread Christopher Wilke
On Wed, 6/18/14, John Lenti johnle...@hotmail.com wrote: So that's just four incidents in maybe 120 flights. Just four incidents!? That's pathetic. Who would feel like getting on an airplane at all if passengers faced the same odds of coming out

[LUTE] Re: theorbo on airplane

2014-06-19 Thread David van Ooijen
In the Dutch news last week: a cat had been 'lost' in transit. It was refused as handluggage, put in a basket, whatever, and checked in to be put int the warm and pressurised part of the the hold. On arrival there was no cat. I've had some bad experiences with luggage on planes, but

[LUTE] Re: theorbo on airplane

2014-06-18 Thread John Lenti
I had one of those Czech cases. It survived a good long while, before it was destroyed, but honestly I think it was a freak accident. There is no good way to travel with a theorbo. If the airline says so, you'll have to check it and it might cost a lot of money if the agent decides

[LUTE] theorbo on airplane

2014-06-17 Thread Susanne Herre
Dear all, Sorry for a question which arises often here. I have to fly with my theorbo whose case is 1,63m long and I am wondering if it may fit on an extra seat. The body goes into the neck at approx. 56 cm and it is 40cm wide. Otherwise what are your experiences with theorboes

[LUTE] Re: theorbo on airplane

2014-06-17 Thread David van Ooijen
I've always taken my theorbo and archlute on an extra seat, but have only flown in Europe with it. It's a hassle, a bother, never want to do it, but I prefer it to checking it in. Mine is a toy theorbo with a case of about 175. I understand some airline companies only accept

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Lute/Theorbo Case for Sale

2014-05-28 Thread BENJAMIN NARVEY
SWAN-NECK LUTE/SMALL THEORBO CASE: made by Tumiati, this is a hard-shell case made of lightweight carbon fibre, weighing nominally more that a Kingham (6 Kg). It could fit even a very wide-bodied instrument, and a total instrument length of about 130 cm.A It is in reasonable shape

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo set up

2014-02-21 Thread R. Mattes
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:43:23 +0800, Shaun Ng wrote I use 6+8. To me it makes more sense to have F and G as diapasons because they are used more often. Sorry, but I don't get this. What has the statistical distribution of F (vs. F#) and G (vs. G#) to do with the question of whether F (and maybe

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo set up

2014-02-21 Thread Shaun Ng
On 21 Feb 2014, at 6:00 pm, R. Mattes r...@mh-freiburg.de wrote: On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:43:23 +0800, Shaun Ng wrote I use 6+8. To me it makes more sense to have F and G as diapasons because they are used more often. Since there are more Gs than G#s in the literature, to me it makes more

[LUTE] Theorbo set up

2014-02-20 Thread Anthony Hart
Theorbos can be set up up as 6+8, 7+7 and 8+6. Does anyone have any preference and reasons? Thanks Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo set up

2014-02-20 Thread Taco Walstra
theorbo has its frets on an angle due to string diameter differences... My archlute has an extra peg and my lowest diapason is a F or F# as counterpart of the one which is an octave higher (first diapason). Needs some getting used to but works and is also a possibility described by nigel north

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo set up

2014-02-20 Thread Andreas Schlegel
For me it's the question: What the old ones had as setup? Normally, we can say: An instrument with more pegs than used strings is a modern invention (of course, the early French theorbo seems to have a single strung petit jeu, but was perhaps built for double courses in the petit jeu

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo set up

2014-02-20 Thread Luca Manassero
are apparently very common nowadays. Not even one original in museums and collections, as far as I know, BUT Franc,ois Campion (1716) in his treatise states that most of his colleagues have a theorbo configured that way and they call it theorbe `a la Maltot from the name of his

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo set up

2014-02-20 Thread Luca Manassero
I forgot to mention that I discovered the Franc,ois Campion' quote thanks to the Theorbo page on Facebook :-) ...and I just checked my own copy (thank you, Andreas!) of Franc,ois Campion, Addition au Traite d'accompagnement et de composition par la regle de l'octave, Paris 1730

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo set up

2014-02-20 Thread Shaun Ng
thanks to the Theorbo page on Facebook :-) ...and I just checked my own copy (thank you, Andreas!) of Franc,ois Campion, Addition au Traite d'accompagnement et de composition par la regle de l'octave, Paris 1730: the quote can be found at p. 26 and, of course, was published in 1730, not in 1716

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-02-03 Thread Lutz, Markus
Am 31.01.2014 10:13, schrieb jean-michel Catherinot: the conflict?? Concerning staff notation: there are extremely rare examples of lute parts in staff notation (Fasch's concerto?, and not sure it's for D min tuning) . Indeed we can't be sure about lute parts in notation, for which

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-02-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
I'd accept a Trabant! RT On 2/1/2014 10:16 AM, R. Mattes wrote: On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 15:42:16 -0500, Roman Turovsky wrote No one knows. The only thing known is that the combination of consonants TRB is absent in all European languages, except for the Slavic ones. Where did you get this from?

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-02-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Martyn Hodgson Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:03 AM To: David Tayler; lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1 As already pointed out on a number of occasions, the point about tablature sources, rather than staff

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-02-03 Thread R. Mattes
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 15:42:16 -0500, Roman Turovsky wrote No one knows. The only thing known is that the combination of consonants TRB is absent in all European languages, except for the Slavic ones. Where did you get this from? Just because I was drinking one while your mail came in: Teber

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-02-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
On 2/3/2014 12:29 PM, Geoff Gaherty wrote: As is turbine. Geoff that is not related to turbans or theorbos, but rather to the latin TURBARE, to BOTHER. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-02-03 Thread howard posner
On Feb 3, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: that is not related to turbans or theorbos, but rather to the latin TURBARE, to BOTHER. If you dismiss out of hand any relationship between theorbos and “bother,” you lack sufficient experience with theorbos. -- To

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-31 Thread Martyn Hodgson
-entrant) - and vice versa for the theorbo tablatures. Your stated belief that the archlute and theorbo were simply different names for the same instrument('The terms arciliuto and tiorba are high-degree interchangeable.') is not therefore supported by any of the tablature sources MH

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-31 Thread Martyn Hodgson
You write 'People like the archlute-theorbo duality. It isn't historical' Many historical sources describe the differences between the two instruments (Bob Spencer's article still represents a good summary - see link I gave earlier) and, of course, the tablature sources clearly

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-31 Thread Martyn Hodgson
__ From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, 31 January 2014, 5:57 Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1 That's an interesting set of labels but it doesn't cover all the historical cases

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-31 Thread jean-michel Catherinot
I think Diego Cantaluppi, in his thesis on theorbo (I suppose you can read italian), gives very clear arguments on the subject. Once again, it's a question of sound, not of label (to give names and labels is not the question). And indeed we can choose our own practice (you do

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-31 Thread jean-michel Catherinot
jeanmichel.catheri...@yahoo.com a ecrit : I think Diego Cantaluppi, in his thesis on theorbo (I suppose you can read italian), gives very clear arguments on the subject. Once again, it's a question of sound, not of label (to give names and labels is not the question). And indeed we can

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-31 Thread Arthur Ness
What is the etymology of the word tiorba? -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Martyn Hodgson Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:03 AM To: David Tayler; lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1 As already

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-31 Thread William Samson
' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, 31 January 2014, 21:45 Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1 What is the etymology of the word tiorba? -Original Message- From: [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Martyn

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-31 Thread Arto Wikla
Jakob Lindberg had a funny speculation: In the old Venice dialect ti orba meant I'll blind you. Just think the problems with the long extension neck... Once I happened to hit the director of a choir, when he arrived to the front of the choir and me with the theorbo; tiny river of blood

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-31 Thread Andreas Schlegel
To: 'Martyn Hodgson' hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk; 'David Tayler' vidan...@sbcglobal.net; 'lute' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, 31 January 2014, 21:45 Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1 What is the etymology of the word tiorba? -Original Message- From: [3

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-31 Thread Arthur Ness
today, Andi -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Arto Wikla Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:01 AM To: Arthur Ness; Martyn Hodgson; David Tayler; lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1 Jakob Lindberg had

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
of the word tiorba? -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Martyn Hodgson Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:03 AM To: David Tayler; lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1 As already pointed out on a number

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-31 Thread Anthony Hind
the director of a choir, when he arrived to the front of the choir and me with the theorbo; tiny river of blood in his head did not harm his work, luckily... Arto On 31/01/14 23:45, Arthur Ness wrote: What is the etymology of the word tiorba? -Original Message- From: lute

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-31 Thread dominic robillard
To: David Tayler; lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1 As already pointed out on a number of occasions, the point about tablature sources, rather than staff notation, is that they oblige a particular tuning from the named instrument. Thus, for example

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-30 Thread David Tayler
and concise. Like any document or postcard from the past, they need to be interpreted. As for labels, I see that as the root of the problem, and essentially a reinterpretation of the based based on the ever changing tastes ofthe present. People like the archlute-theorbo duality. It isn't

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-30 Thread David Tayler
, 2014 1:59 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1 This doesn't address the point I made to you: that the fundamental difference between the archlute and the theorbo is in the manner of stringing - theorbos have the top one or two courses lowered from nominal

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-30 Thread David Tayler
28, 2014 3:35 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1 Have a look at: a) the early sources (Bob Spencer's famous paper still represents a good summary [1]http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/spencer/html/index.html ); b) tablatures identified for the two

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-30 Thread David Tayler
@cs.dartmouth.edu; Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:14 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1 Yes: Zamboni in tablature., but indeed you know that!. I consider that most of the arciliuto music is written in staff notation, may

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-29 Thread jean-michel Catherinot
, not to play a B.C., and also dedicated to the harpsichord (did Delair even play the theorbo?). The others (Grenerin, Fleury,...) work with re-entrant tuning, even if the solutions could be strange for us (but what about the guitar?). I think the discontinuity you quote about the lines

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-29 Thread jean-michel Catherinot
., and also dedicated to the harpsichord (did Delair even play the theorbo?). The others (Grenerin, Fleury,...) work with re-entrant tuning, even if the solutions could be strange for us (but what about the guitar?). I think the discontinuity you quote about the lines, with wide laps

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-29 Thread jean-michel Catherinot
, not to play a B.C., and also dedicated to the harpsichord (did Delair even play the theorbo?). The others (Grenerin, Fleury,...) work with re-entrant tuning, even if the solutions could be strange for us (but what about the guitar?). I think the discontinuity you quote

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