[LUTE] Thank you, and so long!

[Wayne Cripps]

Hi Everyone -

 I would like to thank you all for your good wishes!

   Bye

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[LUTE] This list is ending soon!

[Wayne Cripps]

Hi Lute People -

  The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours.  I certainly have 
learned a lot from all of you and I thank you all for taking part in it.

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[LUTE] Switch to the new list?

[Wayne]

   Hi Folks -

I expect this  list will close sometime between tomorrow and very
   early

   Wednesday morning.  Nancy Carlin announced a list sponsored by the

   LSA recently.

 Wayne

   Begin forwarded message:

   From: Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>

   Subject: [LUTE] Switch to the new list?

   Date: September 26, 2020 at 8:38:41 AM EDT

   To: Lute net <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>

   Does anybody remember (Wayne? :)) when Wayne's server will be shut
   down?
   Isn't it time to migrate to the new list?
   Rainer
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[LUTE] TAB lute music archives

[Wayne]

Hi Luke -

 The TAB lute music archives at 
https://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi will also be 
closing down, though possibly a little later than the mail list.  I am still 
negotiating with the department about the timing of things and exactly what 
will close when.  I may try to copy the lute music to my GitHub site where the 
TAB software is.  I will be making more announcements as things settle down and 
questions get answered.

   Wayne





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[LUTE] a suggestion - groups.io

[Wayne]

Hi Lute people -

  I want to suggest groups.io as a new home for the lute list.  There is a free 
version and a $20.00 per month version that allows more control over members.  
I am on some lists that use it and it works very nicely.

   Wayne



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[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon

[Wayne]

I would like to thank your all for your kind thoughts!  I will miss the lute 
list myself.

Danny - the lute list archives at 
https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/ have no connection to me or 
my computers, except that the mail list robot sends a copy of each posting 
there.  The archives there will stay as long as the mail-archive people keep 
them.  There are also archives that I keep at 
https://home.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-old/archives/index.html which will go 
away.  These archives are large files with many posts in each, suitable for 
downloading to your own computer and searching.

Some people consider that fact that this list does not accept attachments a 
plus!

   Wayne


> On Aug 22, 2020, at 3:04 PM, Wayne  wrote:
> 
> Hi -
> 
>  I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been 
> interesting and fun.  Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and 
> when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down.  This includes 
> the  mail servers that run the lute mail list.  So it is time to retire from 
> running the lute mail list too.  I will also be closing my lute web page, my 
> lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page.
> 
>  If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they 
> announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running.  My 
> list runs using software that I wrote, and I don’t recommend that someone 
> else try to use it.  I don’t know the last day yet, but I will make an 
> announcement when my list actually closes.
> 
>   Wayne
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[LUTE] The lute list is retiring soon

[Wayne]

Hi -

  I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been 
interesting and fun.  Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and 
when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down.  This includes 
the  mail servers that run the lute mail list.  So it is time to retire from 
running the lute mail list too.  I will also be closing my lute web page, my 
lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page.

  If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they 
announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running.  My 
list runs using software that I wrote, and I don’t recommend that someone else 
try to use it.  I don’t know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement 
when my list actually closes.

   Wayne




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[LUTE] modern lute editions

[Wayne]

I really like facsimiles, but in performance situations, like outdoor weddings, 
there is a big advantage to performing from tablature that is easy to read from 
a distance, well organized, and can be put in a binder with plastic sheet 
protectors to keep the wind from blowing them around.

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[LUTE] fonts and replies

[wayne lute]

Hi Martyn

 The lute list converts all text to plain text.  No fonts, no font sizes, no 
colors, and some non-North-American letters get garbled.  This is done while 
removing any possible viruses from the message.  It is also because in the past 
HTML  formatted messages confused many people.

 If you want to keep your message clear I recommend that firstly you delete any 
text that isn’t relevant.  This is important as otherwise a person can get 
confused  reading the message with replies.  Many people are too lazy to clean 
up their messages.  Secondly I recommend that you separate thoughts and 
paragraphs with a blank line.  The blank lines between paragraphs will stay 
with most mail readers.

 When you reply to a message, that message has been formatted by the list 
robot, by the original senders email program, and by your program.  As your 
conversation goes back and forth  these three processes interact in strange 
ways and add more and more layers to the message.  So it really helps if you 
take the time to clean up the formatting and delete unnecessary text each time 
you reply.  I know this interferes with the feeling of being in the moment 
which is so important to computer gamers, but it makes the results a lot more 
readable.

 Wayne




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[LUTE] Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again

[Wayne Cripps]

I posted Arthur’s picture of Melchior Newsidler at 

https://home.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-old/MN_OsloJ3.jpg

   Wayne



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[LUTE] More Melchior Newsidler (was Re: de Rippe portrait // Lutist portraits)

[Wayne]

I posted 
Arthur’s picture athttps://home.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-old/MN_OsloJ3.jpg; 
class="">https://home.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-old/MN_OsloJ3.jpg WayneBegin forwarded message:From: Arthur Ness mailto:arthurjn...@cs.dartmouth.edu; 
class="">arthurjn...@cs.dartmouth.eduSubject: 
[LUTE] More Melchior Newsidler 
(was Re: de Rippe portrait // Lutist portraits)Date: November 
9, 2019 at 6:26:03 PM ESTTo: mailto:da...@vanedwards.co.uk; 
class="">da...@vanedwards.co.uk, mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de; 
class="">tristanvonneum...@gmx.deCc: 
mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; 
class="">lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net; 
class="">arthurjn...@verizon.netReply-To: Arthur 
 >Ness mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net; 
 >class="">arthurjn...@verizon.netclass="">class="">--=_Part_1857672_968383007.1573341963355class="">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"class="">Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableclass="">Here is a portrait thought to represent Melchior 
 >Newsidler. The Fuggers were MN patrons and are said to have 
 >commissioned his portrait from a visiting Italian painter. The art 
 >historians have suggested an artist, but they thought MN to be Hans' brother 
 >(b. c!
 a. 1505). Hans was his father and Melchior was born in 1531, and !
 the dates don't match with the presumed artist.. (More on the engraving 
below.)The cited engraving comes from the MN lute book publ. by 
Jobin in 1574 when MN was in Strasbourg. It is by Tobias Stimmer, one of 
the leading artists of his day and a Jobin in-law--thus undoubtedly painted 
"from Life" He was especially noted for capturing his setters' emotional 
state. In this case, MN comes out as a very stern individual under Stimmer's 
tools.https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-3; 
class="">https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-3-Original Message-From: 
David Van Edwards mailto:da...@vanedwards.co.uk; 
class="">da...@vanedwards.co.ukTo: Tristan von Neumann 
mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de; 
class="">tristanvonneum...@gmx.deCc: mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; clas!
 s="">lute@cs.dartmouth.edu mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; 
class="">lute@cs.dartmouth.eduSent: Thu, Oct 31, 2019 7:47 
amSubject: [LUTE] Re: de Rippe portrait // Lutist portraitsTo answer the second part of your question:Possibly: Melchior 
Newsidler 1574 https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-3; 
class="">https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-3Sebastian Ochsenkhun 1588https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-183; 
class="">https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-183Sixtus Kargel (1540-1600) https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-530
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[LUTE] no attachments on the lute list

[wayne lute]

A brief translation of the previous message . . .

Hi Sarge - this list does not accept attachments.

   Wayne



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[LUTE] Re: Arcadelt

[wayne lute]

Hi Sarge - this list does not 
accept attachments.WayneBegin forwarded 
message:From: "Frank A. Gerbode, M.D." mailto:sa...@gerbode.net; class="">sa...@gerbode.netSubject: [LUTE] Re: ArcadeltDate: 
November 6, 2019 at 1:54:35 PM ESTTo: !
 mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; class="">lute@cs.dartmouth.eduHmmm. Looks like 
the attachments didn't go through. Does this list not accept 
attachments?In any case, the files will be accessible 
for a short time at http://gerbode.net/ftp; 
class="">http://gerbode.net/ftp--SargeOn 11/6/2019 10:44, Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. wrote:--D41830CF615DFBC1BEDBF55AContent-Type: 
text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowedContent-Transfer-Encoding: 
8bitHere is a literal intabulation I made of the 
3-part chanson, transposeda fourth down. It/is/ a bit thin, but 
could be beefed up a bit and a fewornaments or divisions added.--!
 SargeOn 11/6/2019 06:53, Rainer wrote:Should be "nous voyons que les 
hommes".According to Brown there are two 
intabulations for guitar - a bit thinfor the lute.RainerAm 05.11.2019 um 23:42 schrieb mailto:theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu; 
class="">theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu:ÂÂÂ Lutetopia:ÂÂÂ Does anyone know if there is an in tabulation 
of the ArcadeltchansonÂÂÂ "nous 
voyons ques les hommes"? (It is a charming little tune).ThanksÂÂÂ trjÂÂÂ --To 
get on or off this list see list information athttp://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html; class="!
 ">http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html--Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. (mailto:sa...@gerbode.net; 
class="">sa...@gerbode.net)11132 Dell AveForestville, CA 95436-9491Home phone: 
707-820-1759Website: http://www.gerbode.net; 
class="">http://www.gerbode.net"The map may not be the 
territory, but it's all we've got."--D41830CF615DFBC1BEDBF55AContent-Type: 
text/html; charset=utf-8Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bithtml head meta http-equiv="Content-Type" 
content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" 
/head body text="#00" 
bgcolor="#FF"!
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of the 3-part chanson, transposed a fourth 
down. Iti is/i a bit thin, but could be 
beefed up a bit and a few ornaments or divisions 
added.br br 
--Sargebr 
br div 
class="moz-cite-prefix"On 11/6/2019 06:53, Rainer wrote:br /div 
blockquote type="cite" 
cite="mid:mailto:10-08115d63-65e6-e915-81f9-1df237555...@t-online.de; 
class="">10-08115d63-65e6-e915-81f9-1df237555...@t-online.de"Should be "nous voyons que les 
hommes". br !
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According to Brown there are two 
intabulations for guitar - a bit 
thin for the lute. 
br 
br 
Rainer 
br 
br 
Am 05.11.2019 um 23:42 schrieb 
a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu; 
class="">mailto:theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu"mailto:theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu; 
class="">theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu/a: 
!
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type="cite"ÂÂÂ Lutetopia: 
br 
ÂÂÂ Does 
anyone know if there is an in tabulation of the 
Arcadelt chanson 
br 
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voyons ques les hommes"? (It is a charming little 
tune). Thanks 
br 
ÂÂÂ trj br !
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class="moz-signature" cols="72"--Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. (a 
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class="">mailto:sa...@gerbode.net"mailto:sa...@gerbode.net; 
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.gerbode.net; 
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[LUTE] stolen theorbo

[wayne lute]

A Matthew Durvie theorbo was stolen from Dr. Gregory Hamilton  oct. 8th in 
Irving Texas.  you can contact him at 8325450900

  Wayne


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[LUTE] string suppliers in the USA

[Wayne]

Chris Henriksen
catli...@aol.com <mailto:catli...@aol.com>
Near Boston, Mass

  Wayne


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Martin Shepherd 
> Subject: [LUTE] string suppliers in the USA
> Date: September 23, 2019 at 11:31:55 AM EDT
> To: Lute List 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> If you live in the US, can you tell me where you buy strings (nylgut, nylon, 
> gut, etc) in the US?
> 
> Aquilausa seems to be just a link to the producer, but I'd be glad to be 
> corrected.  I'm looking for an easy-to-use online shop.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: The Lord my careful Shepherd is

[wayne lute]

> 
> I lack Rainer’s gift for detail, but I am intrigued at the thought that a 
> collection of music from around 1600 may still have been in use 80 or 90 
> years later, or that someone 80 or 90 years later was in desperate need of 
> scratch paper to write down Psalm 23.
> 

Back then all paper was as expensive and as durable as artist’s hand made 
watercolor paper is today.

 Wayne




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[LUTE] how about changing the subject too!

[Wayne]

While we are ranting about whether to crop or not, how about 
paying attention to, and changing, the Subject !!
Ed changed the topic from Bream to long messages, but 
didn’t change the subject line.  Leonard tried desperately 
to change the Subject: line but David quickly brought it
back to what was no longer being discussed.

I am sure Julian Bream, being very attentive to detail,
would change the Subject: line *and* edit his replies!

 Wayne




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[LUTE] Re: Julian Bream on Lute

[wayne lute]

the 1991 LSA quarterly issue 2 has an interview with Julian Bream, where he
exposes all his secrets!

 Wayne


> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: "Franz Mechsner" 
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Julian Bream on Lute
> Date: June 18, 2019 at 7:13:58 PM EDT
> To: "Dan Winheld" 
> Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>
>   Dear Dan,
>
>   Julian Bream actually pioneered lute playing very early. Watch
>   this beautiful movie on him that makes me smile (lute things come
>   somewhere in the
>   middle): [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUdunh_wMCI
>
>   Warm regards and best
>   Franz
>
>   Dr. Franz Mechsner
>   Zum Kirschberg 40
>   D-14806 Belzig OT Borne
>   +49(0)33841 441362
>   franz.mechs...@gmx.de
>
>
>   Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 um 01:07 Uhr
>   Von: "Dan Winheld" 
>   An: "Franz Mechsner" , lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>   Betreff: Re: [LUTE] Julian Bream on Lute
>   Nope. Never heard of him.
>   On 6/18/2019 3:49 PM, Franz Mechsner wrote:
>> Dear collective wisdom,
>>
>> I just heard some pieces played by admired guitarist Julian Bram on
>   the
>> lute. It seems to me he played kind of classical guitar style on the
>> lute. Strange, but It sounds wonderful to me, not only bold for the
>> time. Does anyone understand how he played the (maybe special) lute
>   and
>> produced the wonderful sound on a lute admittedly built for him?
>>
>> Best and curious
>> Franz
>>
>> Dr. Franz Mechsner
>> Zum Kirschberg 40
>> D-14806 Belzig OT Borne
>> +49(0)33841 441362
>> franz.mechs...@gmx.de
>>
>>
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>>
>
> References
>
>   1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUdunh_wMCI
>   2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html


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[LUTE] John Renborn article

[Wayne]

Hi - Can someone remind me what LSA journal had an article about John Renborn?

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[LUTE] TAB for windows 64 bit

[wayne lute]

I have a 32 bit version of the tab executable at 
https://home.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/wtab/ 
<https://home.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/wtab/> as well as a 64 bit version.  Just 
in case you worry about pointer to int conversion.

  Wayne


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Rainer 
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: TAB for windows 64 bit
> Date: April 14, 2019 at 3:07:44 AM EDT
> To: lute net 
> 
> I create a  new 32-bit executable for Windows from time to time - from an new 
> source version released by Wayne.
> Anybody who wants to receive these new versions please let me know.
> 
> I also have a manual based on Leonard's manual.
> 
> 
> I don't think creating a 64 bit version makes sense. Nobody needs to create 
> tab files with several Giga bytes :)
> 
> Rainer
> 
> On 09.04.2019 12:48, Wayne wrote:
>> Hi lute people -
>> I have compiled a windows 64 version of my tab program, and put it at
>>   https://home.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/wtab/
>> This is a very “raw” distribution and is only for people who are very 
>> comfortable
>> with command prompt and already are familiar with using my tab program.  
>> There
>> are some tips at
>>   https://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/tab-with-vs.html
>> but I won’t be able to give people a lot of help.
>>Wayne
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[LUTE] TAB for windows 64 bit

[Wayne]

Hi lute people -

I have compiled a windows 64 version of my tab program, and put it at
  https://home.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/wtab/
This is a very “raw” distribution and is only for people who are very 
comfortable
with command prompt and already are familiar with using my tab program.  There 
are some tips at 
  https://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/tab-with-vs.html
but I won’t be able to give people a lot of help.

   Wayne



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[LUTE] Jurgen: frets / positions above the octave

[Wayne]

I think Jurgen was trying to say this - he started with a picture which upset 
te lute list robot.


I didn't find an answer online or on the BLS's FB page as to how positions 
above the octave are identified on a lute.
There is this curious section in Mercure d'Orléan's "Auff der Schlacht von 
Padua" in Fuhrmann's Testudio p.188 where he notates notes as "p", "r" and "t". 
As I don't want to trust my assumption that these would correspond to finger 
positions 14,15 and 17 or the notes 'a', 'bb' and 'c' assuming a lute in g I am 
asking here for the facts. And where are these finger positions or  'fret 
names' codified? I attach a screen shot of the last two lines of that page.
Oh and I don't want to discuss the musical quality of that lengthy piece.

Best wishes
Jurgen

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Rainer 
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: frets / positions above the octave
> Date: March 27, 2019 at 9:50:15 AM EDT
> To: Lute List 
> 
> On 27.03.2019 10:29, Jurgen Frenz wrote:
>> ogûÙýZçWvu÷›}½ñÏZ{w6óŽ_Ù°¨ž×§µ<©z×±·úej)Ü…ªìz
> 
> Ugga, Agga
> 
> Rainer
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Tip - Lute Scribe character / font question

[wayne lute]

Hi Lute People and Jurgen -

  Looks like you don’t know that the lute list does not like pictures, which 
in this case is a shame. 
Perhaps you could post them on a web site or google documents.  They show 
characters, 
especially the letter e, in lute-scribe input format and as  output by my 
“tab” programt.  Jurgen says . . .

Hello there,
I am asking about the "e" in lute scribe - in the editor the character appears 
as a "normal" minuscule e whereas in print the character has changed to a 
tilted small capital "E" as documented in the attached screenshots - actually I 
very much like that capital E but I cannot find it in the font. How does this 
miracle happen?

Thanks for a hint,
Jurgen

you can email Jurgen at eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 
<mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com>  and you can read about my tab 
program at https://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/AboutTab.html

Wayne

  
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Jurgen Frenz 
> Subject: [LUTE] Lute Scribe character / font question
> Date: March 4, 2019 at 9:14:51 PM EST
> To: Lute List 
> Reply-To: Jurgen Frenz 
> 
> ogѕхэ7uЗ§oMЙoVкуmКпо_зЎЕзpЈžзЇЕ<ЉzзБЗњej)м
> Њьz
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[LUTE] Re: tab program

[wayne lute]

you would type 

{ Bourr\'ee }

with the warning that some modern text editing programs change the characters 
around.  the single quote, for example, may be rewritten as a special character 
which is half of a pair of balanced quotes.  Mac TextEdit does this, and you 
have to turn off smart editing.  I use a programmers editor like vim or emacs 
that doesn’t make the switch.

 Wayne


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Alain Veylit 
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: tab program
> Date: July 26, 2018 at 2:40:11 PM EDT
> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> 
> A quick question about Wayne's tab program: how do I get the French accents 
> (e acute, e grave) to display correctly in the titles? I am getting slashed 
> Os instead of 'é' (e acute) for example, and a slashed L for 'è'. The c 
> cedilla however is fine, and u umlaut ...
> 
> Example: { Bourrée }
> 
> Also: if I have two pieces in a single tab file, can I get extra vertical 
> spacing between the two pieces?
> 
> Alain
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] check your email addresses

[wayne lute]

Hello Lute List People -

 Occasionally I check the spam traps for the lute list and I see messages from 
people who are really members of the lute list.  These people have one email 
address on the robot’s list, but send their message from another address.  It 
could be because they moved, or got a new service, or it could be because their 
provider changed their address.  The robot does not recognize the new address 
and so blocks the message.  If you post something to the lute list and it 
doesn’t get through, check to see if the address you are sending is the same 
as the one that messages addressed to you use.

  Wayne


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[LUTE] Bella Gezma - Lute maker

[Wayne]

Hi -

 I got a phone call from a lady in Florida who got a Bella Gezma lute from the 
70’s.  Someone has a web page with a few clippings about Bella Gezma but I 
wonder if any of you have more information about his lutes.  THey are the old 
style, with a strip of ivory under the bridge, like a guitar.  Metal frets.

   Wayne




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[LUTE] London Weiss manuscript is online

[wayne lute]

If you download a whole single page you don’t get the don’t ge the same 
amazing resolution!  

   Wayne

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Markus Lutz 
> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] London Weiss manuscript is online
> Date: June 20, 2018 at 5:48:46 AM EDT
> To: Barocklautenliste 
> 
> Dear members of the baroque lute list,
> Tim Crawford has written, that now the London Weiss manuscript is online. It 
> can be viewed and also be downloaded via the following link:
> http://access.bl.uk/item/viewer/ark:/81055/vdc_100059002407.0x01
> 
> It seems as if only downloading single jpgs works (at least for me).
> It is a very good scan, although the given resolution isn't that detailed.
> But you can look online into the pages in a very high resolution!
> 
> Best regards
> Markus
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Markus Lutz
> Schulstraße 11
> 
> 88422 Bad Buchau
> 
> Tel  0 75 82 / 92 62 89
> Fax  0 75 82 / 92 62 90
> Mail mar...@gmlutz.de
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: The article by Annette Otterstedt about David Dolata's book about tuning

[Wayne]

Hi Stewart -

  Yes, the copy of the article on my web page is now forbidden.  And you 
*don’t* want to get involved with the three-headed dog!

 Wayne


   I tried
>   accessing Otterstedt's review on line again this morning, but without
>   success. Apparently it is now "forbidden".
> 
>   Stewart McCoy




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[LUTE] The article by Annette Otterstedt about David Dolata's book about tuning

[wayne lute]

You may be right, but I can always claim that my computer was hacked.

  Wayne


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Rainer <rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
> Subject: Re: [LUTE] The article by Annette Otterstedt about David Dolata's 
> book about tuning
> Date: May 13, 2018 at 1:34:33 PM EDT
> To: wayne lute <wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> 
> Wayne, this may be slightly illegal :)
> 
> Rainer
> 
> On 13.05.2018 19:26, wayne lute wrote:
>> Hi Lute people  -
>>   Martyn sent me a copy of Annette Otterstedt’s review of David Dolata's 
>> book about tuning and it is avilable on my web site
>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Otterstedt.pdf 
>> <http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Otterstedt.pdf>
>>   Wayne
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[LUTE] The article by Annette Otterstedt about David Dolata's book about tuning

[wayne lute]

Hi Lute people  -

  Martyn sent me a copy of Annette Otterstedt’s review of David Dolata's book 
about tuning and it is avilable on my web site

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Otterstedt.pdf 
<http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Otterstedt.pdf>

  Wayne


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[LUTE] Re: Newberry Library VAULT Case MS 7Q 5]

[Wayne]

It went to the Baroque lute list.  When a person submits a single message  
addressed to two lists
it only goes to one of the lists.  Andreas sent two messages with the same 
message-id addressed to
both the lute and baroque lists.  To cover both lists he would have had to send 
two separate messages,
one to each list.

   Wayne


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Rainer <rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Newberry Library VAULT Case MS 7Q 5]
> Date: April 22, 2018 at 7:31:56 AM EDT
> Cc: Lute net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> 
> On 22.04.2018 12:26, Ralf Mattes wrote:
>>  Am Sonntag, 22. April 2018 12:13 CEST, Rainer <rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> 
>> schrieb:
>>  Thank's, but Andeas Schlegel  was faster and posted this on thurseday.
> 
> Strange - I haven't received anything...
> 
> 
> Rainer
> 
>>  Cheers, RalfD
>>> http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/nby_music/id/4729
>>> 
>>> Rainer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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[LUTE] the lute mail server is back on line!

[Wayne]

the lute mail server is back on line!  so are the web sites.

  Wayne



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[LUTE] Lute mail list down tuesday

[Wayne]

Hi Lute People -

 The lute mail list, "lutes for sale", my tablature web site, and the popular 
pages about WanderVogel lutes will be down early Tuesday morning while the 
engineers work on the electricity that goes to the building.  Should take an 
hour.

 Wayne




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[LUTE] Volta subito

[Wayne]

Hi Rainer -

 You know MetaFont!  you could hack the character used on the m Q or q 
character to make yourself VS.

   Wayne


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Rainer <rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
> Subject: [LUTE] Volta subito
> Date: March 18, 2018 at 6:08:01 AM EDT
> To: Lute net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> 
> Dear lute netters,
> 
> does anybody (Wayne?) know if it is possible to print VS (or V.S.) at the end 
> of the page with tab?
> 
> By the way, I always thought it stands for Volta Subito but lots of web pages 
> have "Volti"...
> 
> Rainer
> 
> I know, I can use "TV.S." after the last chord - a trick.
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

[Wayne]

One thing that has not been mentioned is that we have choices - we all, or most 
of us, or some of us, can choose to play a certain part of our repertoire on 
our Les Paul/Marshall, or our classical guitar, or our romantic guitar, or our 
bandora, or ukulele or even saxophone or synth in some cases.   If we can 
choose to play Spanish music on our vihuela we can choose to play Babbit on our 
(analogue tube) synth.  So maybe we are overlooking contemporary lute music 
because we tend to pick up a different instrument to play something modern.  
Especially when we need to be as loud as everyone else.

Does anyone here not have or play any instrument at all but the lute?

  Wayne


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: WALSH STUART <s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
> Date: March 16, 2018 at 12:26:07 PM EDT
> 
> If it seems odd to want to play modern music on a lute it is surely odder to 
> only play a lute and only ever to play  music that was composed centuries ago.
> 
> Perhaps no one is odd enough for that! If there were such a person - who 
> would only, ever,  play centuries' old music (however gem-laden it may be) - 
> would it be enough to say that this choice was the harmless choice of a free 
> being?
> 
> There is no obvious harm to others in such a case but perhaps it's a case of 
> self-harm.
> 

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[LUTE] Lute sighting !

[Wayne]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X2Y4VCa3qE=PLD098564FDA884E25

Sting sings James Taylor. (;-)





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[LUTE] Re: Re : Re: Loose frets

[wayne lute]

Hi Martyn -

  That is a bogus address.  Because anti-spam measures are really fierce these 
days
I have to send out many messages with a fake “From: “ address.  The real 
address is
in the “Reply=To:” filed which you may not see in your mail reader without 
asking
for all the headers.  Anthony’s real address is agno3ph...@yahoo.com 
<mailto:agno3ph...@yahoo.com>

  Wayne


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Re : Re: Loose frets
> Date: March 12, 2018 at 7:17:36 AM EDT
> To: Anthony Hind <agno3ph...@cs.dartmouth.edu>, John Lenti 
> <johnle...@hotmail.com>
> Cc: Lutelist Net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Reply-To: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
> 
>   Dear Anthony,
>   Your email address agno3ph...@cs.dartmouth.edu bounces back (it didn't
>   use to)! Have you another for a personal communication?
>   Martyn
> __
> 
>   From: Anthony Hind <agno3ph...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>   To: John Lenti <johnle...@hotmail.com>
>   Cc: Lutelist Net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>   Sent: Monday, 12 March 2018, 10:15
>   Subject: [LUTE] Re : Re: Loose frets
> A very good tip, John, as is the idea of pre-wetting the fret
>   material.
> I wish I had thought of that these last few years, suffering from
> severely slipping frets in similar changing conditions. However, as I
> had resorted to a nylgut chanterelle, which quickly frays gut frets,
>   I
> decided to try Mimmo's new synthetic fret material. This has only
>   been
> on my lute for a few weeks, so I can't report on durability; however,
>   I
> can say that, as expected, this material is not effected by humidity,
> but also less expectedly, it seems slightly softer than modern gut
> (therefore, presumably not from Nylgut, as has been suggested). This
> would have the advantage of not damaging gut strings, as reportedly
> nylgut frets would do; but the possible disadvantage of making
>   stopped
> strings sound very slightly softer (but less so, I would judge, than
> the much softer sounding double gut frets, with which I do have
> experience, and appreciated for their greater durability). In spite
>   of
> their slippery surface, with the knot advised for them by Mimmo, they
> do seem to slip far less than gut frets.
> Regards
> Anthony
> [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> Le lundi, mars 12, 2018, 8:13 AM, John Lenti
>   <[1]johnle...@hotmail.com> a
> Ã ©crit :
>   I'm a little reluctant to share something that might seem almost
>   immoral, but what the hell, I make my living playing the lute and I
> tie
>   a lot of frets, so I'll chip in here: when I go, as I do almost
> weekly,
>   from my home in Seattle, where the weather is always perfect for
>   gut-strung-and-fretted instruments, to a place like the mountains
>   of
>   Montana or the desert of Tucson and the humidity is 1% and my frets
>   (usually it's 1, 5, and 6 on my main touring instrument) start
> slipping
>   and sliding around, and I don't feel like re-fretting, I tape them
> down
>   with masking tape.
>   Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
> 
>   __
>   From: [2][2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
>   <[3][3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
> behalf
>   of howard posner <[4][4]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
>   Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 9:01:32 AM
>   To: [5][5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Loose frets
>> On Mar 9, 2018, at 8:12 AM, John Mardinly
> <[6][6]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
>   wrote:
>> 
>> My frets never come loose and they have not worn out yet. They
>   are
>> metal.
>   I want to know how you tied them on in the first place.  You must
> have
>   really strong fingers.
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[LUTE] Can you help identify this lute?

[Wayne]

Hi Lute People -

   A friend found this lute in the collection of a music store’s owner.  
It is marked with a W ↥ D and there are pictures at. 

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Charlie/

 Do any of you know who made it, its age, or value?

   Wayne




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[LUTE] Lute request

[Wayne]

Hi People -

  There were some problems with the lute mail server - the hard drive filled 
up.  Hopefully that is fixed now.

  Wayne


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "Ron Fletcher" <ron.fletc...@ntlworld.com>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute request
> Date: November 14, 2017 at 1:00:27 PM EST
> To: "'Lutelist'" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> 
>   Anyone had one of these?  What does it mean?
> 
>   Ron (UK)
> 
>   __
>   From:
>   lute-request+ron.fletcher=ntlworld@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
>   [[1]mailto:lute-request+ron.fletcher=ntlworld@new-old-mail.cs.dartm
>   outh.edu]
> 
>   Sent:   14 November 2017 13:13
>   Subject:
> 
>   Virus-free. [2]www.avast.com
> 
>   --
> 
> References
> 
>   Visible links
>   1. 
> mailto:lute-request+ron.fletcher=ntlworld@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
>   2. 
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient
> 
>   Hidden links:
>   4. 
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient
>   5. 
> file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L21299-9155TMP.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Bad lute music

[wayne lute]

John meant to say . . . 

Beethoven’s deafness was caused by “inner ear” problems, sometimes called 
labyrinthitis, a form of nerve deafness, not mechanical problems, such 
as damage to the eardrum or the small bones of the inner ear. As such, it is 
unlikely that the bone conduction would have been any use to him. 

A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: John Mardinly 
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bad lute music
> Date: November 11, 2017 at 12:17:52 PM EST
> To: howard posner 
> Cc: Lutelist 
> 
> гM4ь6м>;р>јпa|а;уNЛпNћЎкВчИ*'ЕщэO*^Еьmў™ZŠw!jЛ
> 
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[LUTE] Physical Exercises for left hand.

[Wayne]

This is probably not what you are talking about, but I found that kayaking 
(pulling the paddle)
worked wonders for some left hand issues that I had.  I think in my case I 
needed to develop
supporting muscles more that the actual finger muscles.

   Wayne

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Anthony Hart <anthony.hart1...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [LUTE] Physical Exercises for left hand.
> Date: October 1, 2017 at 4:21:08 PM EDT
> To: lute <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> 
>   Dear collective wisdom,
> 
>   I have been away from playing for many months and my left hand is
>   protesting! Does anyone have any suggestions for physical exercises to
>   relieve tension and relax muscles prior to practice?

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] E. Gaultier, Cleopatre Amante

[Wayne]

Hi Lute People -

 I would like to know which manuscripts E Gaultier’s piece "Cleopatre Amante” 
is in, other than the second Saiznay manuscript.  And perhaps which Gaultier 
composed it.

 Wayne




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[LUTE] Shorter emails

[Wayne]

I suppose I could make the robot cut everything off after 50 lines.

   Wayne


> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: "G. C." <kalei...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [LUTE] Shorter emails
> Date: September 5, 2017 at 6:40:36 PM EDT
> To: Lutelist <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>
>   Dear lutelist,
>   is there a way to remove all those endless quotings of earlier mails in
>   the string, as well as the (also) endless links that have been
>   displayed in the previous, (endless) mails? Is there no way to get yhe
>   messages slimmer?
>   B.R.
>   G.
>
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[LUTE] forwarded request for info on Charles Ford and his lutes

[wayne cripps]

Hi Lute People -

  I got a message from someone who want to find out about his Charles Ford 8 
course lute.  If you can help please let me know.

Wayne




I am looking at a lute which has the following markings inside:
 
CHARLES FORD 79
LUTE MAKER
REP’D MAY 1995 – R.K.A.
 
I have looked on the internet for more information about Charles Ford, but 
could only find that he wrote a book on making musical instruments which was 
published in 1979.  I would like to find out more about this lute; when was it 
made?  Is the 79 a date or an instrument number?  Who was R.K.A and what did he 
or she do to it?  Any help would be appreciated.  



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[LUTE] what about the lute database

[Wayne]

Hi Kenneth -

  I think that one person, Klaus Martius, was in charge of the data, and if you
sent information to him he would add it to the database.  I think in 
principle that could work, but it does mean that the whole project
depends on one person.

  Wayne


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Kenneth Sparr <kennethsp...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: what about the lute database
> Date: August 2, 2017 at 11:06:27 AM EDT
> To: wayne lute <wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Cc: Lute net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> 
>   Dear Wayne,
>   I have found this database very usable in my research. In my opinion
>   one of the problems with the database is that it is not open to add,
>   modify, correct etc. I don't think it is possible that only a few
>   people can handle a database of this kind in their spare time. Either
>   the database should be open to additions, changes, modifications and
>   corrections or it should be cared for by an institution of some kind.
>   One solution is perhaps something like the Clinkscale Online at
>   [1]http://earlypianos.org
> 
>   2017-08-02 12:32 GMT+02:00 wayne lute <[2]wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
> 
> Hi -
>  There is a database of original lutes at
> [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/associated/database/dbsearch.php
> <[4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/associated/database/
> dbsearch.php> which at one time seemed like an active project, but
> it looks like nothing has happened in ten years.   Can anyone tell
> me what happened to this project?   I was reminded of it because I
> had to do some repair work to it.   It was sponsored by the Lute
> Society or America but I don't see it on their new web site.
>  Wayne
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>   2. mailto:wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu
>   3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/associated/database/dbsearch.php
>   4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/associated/database/dbsearch.php
>   5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>   6. mailto:kennethsp...@gmail.com
>   7. http://www.tabulatura.com/
> 


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[LUTE] what about the lute database

[wayne lute]

Hi -

 There is a database of original lutes at 
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/associated/database/dbsearch.php 
<http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/associated/database/dbsearch.php> which at 
one time seemed like an active project, but it looks like nothing has happened 
in ten years.  Can anyone tell me what happened to this project?  I was 
reminded of it because I had to do some repair work to it.  It was sponsored by 
the Lute Society or America but I don’t see it on their new web site.

 Wayne


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[LUTE] Better UNICODE Test �� �� ���� �� ����

[Wayne]

So one of the issues, with Subject or Body, is that when an encoded message is 
unpacked for reading,
and then recoded for a reply or forwarding, the several different mail 
reader/editors involved in the
process tend to mess things up.  I was not able to read the emojis in your 
reply to the list.

  Wayne


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "Ralf Mattes" <r...@mh-freiburg.de>
> Subject: Re: [LUTE] Better UNICODE Test �� �� ���� �� 
> ����
> Date: July 29, 2017 at 10:29:42 AM EDT
> To: "Wayne" <wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Cc: "David Van Edwards" <da...@vanedwards.co.uk>, "Rainer" 
> <rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>, "Lute net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> 
> 
> Am Samstag, 29. Juli 2017 14:41 CEST, Wayne <wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu> 
> schrieb: 
> 
>> 
>>   ��
> 
> Thanks a lot! Word encoding seems to work now. And even so my humble emacs 
> can't display emojis I
> appreciate your reference to the original context :-)
> 
> Cheers, RalfD
> 
>> 
>>Wayne
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear Rainer,
>>> 
>>> Just to check, this is using the normal Mac 
>>> keystrokes for diacriticals, I wonder if it will 
>>> be mangled by the Lute Net software?
>>> 
>>> Ü Ä Ö  ä ö ü é â è
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> At 14:20 +0200 29/7/17, Rainer wrote:
>>>> I have sent this mail with utf-8 encoding and everything looks OK.
>>>> 
>>>> Rainer
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 29.07.2017 13:40, Rainer wrote:
>>>>> German:  ÄÖÜ äöü ß
>>>>> 
>>>>> French:éâàè
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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[LUTE] Better UNICODE Test     

[Wayne]

   


Wayne


> 
> Dear Rainer,
> 
> Just to check, this is using the normal Mac 
> keystrokes for diacriticals, I wonder if it will 
> be mangled by the Lute Net software?
> 
> Ü Ä Ö  ä ö ü é â è
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> David
> 
> At 14:20 +0200 29/7/17, Rainer wrote:
>> I have sent this mail with utf-8 encoding and everything looks OK.
>> 
>> Rainer
>> 
>> 
>> On 29.07.2017 13:40, Rainer wrote:
>>> German:  ÄÖÜ äöü ß
>>> 
>>> French:éâàè
>>> 
>>> 




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[LUTE] Mailing List Software [was] Re: Sermisy

[Wayne]

 >  Trying to open the archives today f.ex. doesn’t work

Hi Göran -

  If you are trying to access the FTP site at Dartmouth, the college has cut 
off FTP access for security reasons.  So I will have to work out another way to 
give people access to the lute archives and my tablature writing program.  
Probably via a web site.  Like 
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lute-arc/lute_archives/ which now exists.

   Wayne




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[LUTE] Re: do you know these ads? -now removed

[wayne lute]

Hi Lute people -

 Thanks to you people who pointed out that the pictures came from ebay.  I have 
removed the ads from my web page.

  Wayne



> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: wbc <w...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Subject: [LUTE] do you know these ads?
> Date: March 15, 2017 at 1:15:00 PM EDT
> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> 
> Hi Lute people -
> 
>  I just got two ads, one for a romantic guitar and one for a vihuela, I 
> posted them on my lutes for sale web page -  
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/forsale.html 
> <http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/forsale.html> - but something about 
> the ads has me concerned.  They both came in within a few minutes, both are 
> terse and don’t describe the instrument much at all.  Neither pictures are 
> great.  And the names are a but odd.  Could you folks take a look at what now 
> are the first two entries and tell me what you think, especially if you 
> happen to know the people or instruments involved.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] this is a test

[wayne cripps]

Hi lute folks - this is a test, and if I see that I got it then you don’t need 
to tell me that you got it.

Wayne




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[LUTE] was Baroque guitar tablature - now follow a link

[wayne lute]

Hi Monica -

  The lute mail list robot often messes up links in the body of the message, 
but 
down at the bottom of the message is a “References: section with the correct 
link.
The Referenced link just worked for me, but your mail reader might be different.

http://signtracks.com/facsimiles/Guitar/Baroque/Langhenhove/319_page_0205.jpg 


 Wayne


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk" <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Baroque guitar tablature
> Date: September 1, 2016 at 4:43:01 AM EDT
> To: <al...@musickshandmade.com>
> Cc: LutList <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> 
> 
> Can't actually access the page you have given.  However I have a copy 
> of the ms.
> 
> The vertical dasshes below and above the highest line indicate the 
> strumming. Down from the line is a bass to treble stroke and up from 
> the line is a treble to bass stroke.
> The open courses should be included in the chords provided that they 
> belong to the basic triad.  They don't include the "As" unless this is 
> essential to make sense.  
> A dot after a stroke may indicate that it is a dotted note - but I 
> can't see which specific piece you are referring to.
> An x is usually a descending appoggiatura from the note above.
> Oblique dashes below the stave  usually mean that the chord is to be 
> sustained.
> If you can tell me the page number or the title of the specific pieces 
> I might be able to shed a bit more light.
> BEst
> Monica
> Original Message
> From: al...@musickshandmade.com
> Date: 01/09/2016 8:05 
> To: "Lute List"<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Subj: [LUTE] Re: Baroque guitar tablature
> 
> I am hoping someone can help me understand some of the symbols on this
>   piece of Baroque guitar tablature - maybe Monica?
>   Here is a facsimile copy:
>   [1]http://signtracks.com/facsimiles/Guitar/Baroque/Langhenhove/319_page
> 
>   _0205.jpg
>   1 ) Small vertical dashes above the first line: I understand this is 
> an
>   indication of strumming with the hand from the bottom up - or is it 
> the
>   other way?
>   2) The dots after a vertical dash - like this "|."  : is that a 
> dotted
>   (invisible) flag value -- or a bar line -- or?
>   3) the 'x' - often following the dotted dash mentioned above:  a 
> shake
>   or mordent??? If so it looks a little far away from its note...
>   4) the 'y' that looks like the 'x' described above but more like a 
> 'y'
>   (or a 'v') and bigger: 
>   5) Oblique dashes on the first and/or 5th line: no idea what these
>   are...
>   I am also kind of wondering if open strings are not sort of implied
>   within a chord ...
>   Any help on any of the above appreciated. To me, it looks like 
> pretty
>   amazing short-hand from someone who knew the instrument extremely
>   well...
>   Alain
>   --
> 
> References
> 
>   1. 
> http://signtracks.com/facsimiles/Guitar/Baroque/Langhenhove/319_page_0205.jpg
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] the lute mail server

[wayne cripps]

Hi Lute people -

  The lute mail server at cs.dartmouth.edu is running on temporary
power from a generator for a few days while they redo the electrical
system in the building.  Hopefully everything will just keep working,
but you never know.  So if you send a message to the lute list and it
doesn’t go through it may just be a matter of waiting until something
starts to work again.

  My lute tablature web site is in the same state - it is working now, 
but something might happen.  Worst case if something happens it will 
be back in a few days.

 Wayne




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[LUTE] Re: Harold Westover Medieval Lute

[Wayne]

I believe Harold Westover was a retired Unitarian minister in Walpole NH.  He 
made harps, and other medieval instruments.  You could try looking on the 
archives of the folk harp list.  He had helpers who went on to make instruments 
on their own, including one who made two of my wife’s harps.  There were 
articles written about him in the local papers.

  Wayne


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Roger Landes <landesro...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [LUTE] Harold Westover Medieval Lute
> Date: May 10, 2016 at 12:03:39 AM EDT
> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> 
>   I recently purchased a 5 course Medieval lute made in 1987 by Harold
>   Westover of New Hampshire. A google search brought up a couple of
>   messages on this forum about his work. Anyone here know anything about
>   Westover and/or the instruments he built?
>   Cheers,
> --
> Roger Landes
> [1]http://www.rogerlandes.com
> __
> 
>   [2]Avast logo
> 
>   This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>   [3]www.avast.com
> 
>   --
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://www.rogerlandes.com/
>   2. 
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient
>   3. 
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Crawford Young is visiting the San Francisco Bay Area.

[wayne lute]

(forwarded message, reply to Mike)

Dear Ones,

Crawford Young is visiting the San Francisco Bay Area.

You are all invited to my house Saturday April 2, at 1pm for an open house to 
greet Crawford, have a lute party and see a slide show on Crawford’s PhD 
project on researches into the Early Cittern.  My address is 4118 Peregrine 
Way, Pleasanton CA.  

This is Crawford’s only visit to the USA and the Bay Area this year.

Crawford will be staying here for 3 weeks and will be leaving on April 18th.  
During this time he will be available for lute lessons and ensemble coaching 
either at my house or at yours, if you are in the Bay Area.  This is an ideal 
time to make connections and arrangements. If you wish to contact him directly 
you can email or text message Crawford at crawl...@hotmail.com 
, or Mike Peterson at mb...@comcast.net 
.

Crawford is interested in doing a lute concert towards the end of his stay, but 
we have not yet made any arrangements yet.  Last year we had the concert at 
Ifshin Violins in El Cerrito, which was a success.  Is there any interest in 
arranging a house concert locally on Saturday April 16?  If so, let me or 
Crawford know.

Mike Peterson
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[LUTE] What Dave meant to say ..

[Wayne]

What Dave meant to say ..


Dear Luca,

It does seem to be a characteristic of the baroque lutes I've 
examined but that's not such a huge number, and anyway the poor 
survival rate means that the survivors need not be totally 
representative. It certainly seems to apply to the Hoffmann/Widhalm 
lutes and to the Edlingers I have examined. For instance this one in 
the NMM in South Dakota.



Perhaps more telling is Baron's remark in his Study of the Lute 
[Alton Smith translation p.83] that JC Hoffmann surpassed his father 
in building lute necks "for he makes them to fit the hand of each 
owner, whereas his father's usually turned out a bit too thick." This 
is usually taken to be support of the cambered fingerboard but as you 
see it only addresses the neck thickness.

Best wishes,

David




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[LUTE] Re: Pachenbel suite for theorbo

[Wayne]

Peter Steur contributed them, and as Arto says, for baroque lute.

  Wayne




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[LUTE] Re: Pachenbel suite for theorbo

[Wayne]

That might be

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tablature.cgi?Baroque_lute/pachelbel.pdf

 We will see if this gets to the list unmangled.

  W

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "jo.lued...@t-online.de" <jo.lued...@t-online.de>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Pachenbel suite for theorbo
> Date: February 23, 2016 at 11:33:06 AM EST
> To: Anthony Hart <anthony.hart1...@gmail.com>, "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" 
> <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Reply-To: "jo.lued...@t-online.de" <jo.lued...@t-online.de>
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Anthony,
> 
> Nuremberg, Stadtbibliothek, Autogr. 2353b. If you search for "Pachelbel 
> L'amant", you should find a tablature edition on XXXdartmouth.edu (Wayne 
> Cripps' page).
> 
> 
> Joachim




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[LUTE] Re: Saturday morning quotes - Pitch

[wayne cripps]

Hi Tom , and everyone else

  The lute list is set up to “unpack" messages that have been "packed up"
for travel by your computer.  One system of “packing" text is called 
quoted-printable, and it uses an equals sign followed by a number to 
represent special characters and numbers.  So when you write about a 
pitch using A  440  and you computer sends it off as
quoted-printable the lute list robot interprets that as a hex number 
like D0.  If you write A 440 it will stand a better chance of getting
through.  Or you could try to set up your mail program to avoid using
any special formatting, though that could be tricky.

 Wayne


>  The 1840 Chickering, one of the very first pianos
> to incorporate a full cast metal plate, was designed to be tuned
> at AC0.  

>  There is a LOT of mis-information in the AC2 arguments,

> including that it was the Nazis who insisted on 440.  NOT TRUE.
> tuned at AD0 ever since.




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[LUTE] Re: Performing lute in ensemble

[wayne lute]

To go in a completely different direction, one of the items sold on my “lutes 
for sale”
web page was a lute-banjo.  (The owner made it as a travel instrument.)  I bet 
that 
if you could put a lute neck on a Mastertone style pot you could keep up with 
modern strings!

Wayne


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Daniel Shoskes <kidneykut...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [LUTE] Performing lute in ensemble
> Date: December 27, 2015 at 7:43:13 AM EST
> To: Lute List <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> 
> Dear list: I’ve been having fun with the Lauffensteiner g minor 
> “concerto” (andante:https://youtu.be/q9dV2QbcBc8 
> <http://youtu.be/q9dV2QbcBc8>). In the Brussels Ms it has parts for 2 violins 
> and 1 cello (OK, 2 treble clef instruments and a bass clef instrument with 
> figures). In performance of pieces like this, how do people handle balance of 
> instruments? Clearly having the other instruments in gut would help but 
> it’s still a struggle to have the lute loud enough in comparison with the 
> strings. Mics? Mutes? Just play as loud as you can all the way through?
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Danny
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[LUTE] Re: Blessed be that Maid Marie

[Wayne]

The Ballet version got a reworking to make it into the Christmas
tune.  The Ballet original is in 6/8 time which is different from the carol
and the contemporary morris dance tune, and the original has some rough
passages which would need reworking.

 Wayne

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "denyssteph...@sky.com" <denyssteph...@sky.com>
> Date: November 30, 2015 at 11:41:41 AM EST
> To: Wayne <wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu>, "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" 
> <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blessed be that Maid Marie
> 
>   Wayne is right - it's the staynes morris tune. I asked myself the same
>   question when I was arranging that carol for a Christmas concert a
>   couple of years ago. Arrangers of the tune often give the impression
>   that a setting of the song is to be found in the Ballet manuscript,
>   which is not the case. I suspect that very few of them will have seen
>   the original. For the purposes of accompanying a choir it would be much
>   better in my opinion to intabulate the setting they are working from -
>   the Ballet setting is unlikely to be a perfect fit.
>   Best wishes,
>   Denys
> __
> 
>   From: Wayne <wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>   To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>   Sent: Monday, 30 November 2015, 16:09
>   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blessed be that Maid Marie
>   Would that be the Staynes Morris on page 91 ?
> Wayne
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Edward Martin <[1]edvihuel...@gmail.com>
>> Date: November 30, 2015 at 10:53:51 AM EST
>> To: lute net <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>> Subject: [LUTE] Blessed be that Maid Marie
>> 
>> Dear ones,
>>   I have been asked by a professional choir to play along with a
>> Christmas Carol, Blessed be that Maid Marie.  There are modern
>   choral
>> arrangements of this piece, and they all attribute that it is from
>   the
>> William Ballet Lute Book.  Here is a link to the book in digital
>> format, from a library in Dublin, of the Ballet Lute Book:
>> [1][3]http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/content/1297/pdf/1297.pdf
>> I looked through it, and I could not find a piece with this title,
>   and
>> it is also not listed in  Julia Craig-McFeely's thesis, and she
>   doesn't
>> list any piece by that name in any English source.  I looked at the
>> pices in the book, and could not find any of the tablatures that
>   seem
>> to match the melody of this piece.
>> Allan Alexander did a beautiful adaptation years ago with variations
>> (published in the LSA November 2004 Holiday newsletter, page 44),
>   but I
>> am unable to find the original.
>> Does this piece exist in the book under a different title?
>> Any assistance is appreciated!
>> Happy luting,
>> ed
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> References
>> 
>> 1. [4]http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/content/1297/pdf/1297.pdf
>> 
>> 
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> 
> References
> 
>   1. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com
>   2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>   3. http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/content/1297/pdf/1297.pdf
>   4. http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/content/1297/pdf/1297.pdf
>   5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 

[LUTE] Re: Blessed be that Maid Marie

[Wayne]

Would that be the Staynes Morris on page 91 ?

   Wayne


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Edward Martin <edvihuel...@gmail.com>
> Date: November 30, 2015 at 10:53:51 AM EST
> To: lute net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Subject: [LUTE] Blessed be that Maid Marie
> 
>   Dear ones,
>I have been asked by a professional choir to play along with a
>   Christmas Carol, Blessed be that Maid Marie.   There are modern choral
>   arrangements of this piece, and they all attribute that it is from the
>   William Ballet Lute Book.   Here is a link to the book in digital
>   format, from a library in Dublin, of the Ballet Lute Book:
>   [1]http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/content/1297/pdf/1297.pdf
>   I looked through it, and I could not find a piece with this title, and
>   it is also not listed in  Julia Craig-McFeely's thesis, and she doesn't
>   list any piece by that name in any English source.   I looked at the
>   pices in the book, and could not find any of the tablatures that seem
>   to match the melody of this piece.
>   Allan Alexander did a beautiful adaptation years ago with variations
>   (published in the LSA November 2004 Holiday newsletter, page 44), but I
>   am unable to find the original.
>   Does this piece exist in the book under a different title?
>   Any assistance is appreciated!
>   Happy luting,
>   ed
> 
>   --
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/content/1297/pdf/1297.pdf
> 
> 
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baroque lute by Paulo Carmo for sale on eBay

[Wayne]

Hi Luca -

  Paulo Carmo has advertised some lutes on my web site.  He is Greek,
living in the Boston MA area.  I have not actually seen his work, though,
so I can’t talk about it.

  Wayne

> On Oct 29, 2015, at 9:43 AM, Luca Manassero <l...@manassero.net> wrote:
> 
>   Dear common wisdom,
>   in these days there was a Baroque lute (in 'new' conditions) for
>   sale on eBay: it looks like a nice instrument, built by Paulo Carmo.
>   I believe it is kind of impossible to buy an "important" instrument
>   this way, but still: does anybody know the luthier Paulo Carmo? I
>   couldn't find any website concerning his work.
>   All the best,
>   Luca
> 
> 
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[LUTE] national lute day?

[wayne cripps]

Hi lute world -

  I was hearing a lot of lutes on the radio Sunday morning, so I thought I 
would see if there was a “National Lute Day”.  When I googled it I got a lot of 
hits for NATIONAL BE LATE FOR SOMETHING DAY - September 5.

  I think there is a PHD in analyzing this.

   Wayne




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[LUTE] Re: Addendum

[wayne cripps]

Thanks, everyone, for your appreciation!  The list has been running since 1993,
and I haven’t sold anyone's data yet.  But I have played music in public for 
free.

If we are going to get technical, the contents of the mail list are available
on line and therefore are part of the mix of data that does get mined.  Not 
that I
have seen any pop-up ads for lutes yet.

 Wayne

 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com
 Subject: [LUTE] Addendum
 Date: July 21, 2015 at 12:39:20 PM EDT
 To: Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net
 Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
   I feel the need to add a clarifying remark my statement that when a
   service is free then YOU are the product.
   This discussion list, hosted by Wayne Cripps and his servers, is in
   fact a freely available service that does not, to my knowledge, mine
   personal information from its users.
   It's been a while since we all thanked Wayne publicly for providing
   this forum, and for taking steps to protect its users.  The lute-list
   is a much appreciated remnant of old-school egalitarianism.
   Thanks, Wayne.
   RA
 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:58:03 +
 To: edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp; dwinh...@lmi.net
 CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 From: praelu...@hotmail.com
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: xx problem
 
 Ed, you'll recall that I made the suggestion off-list, and that I
 qualified the suggestion with the statement that I do NOT use the
 data-mining service. As far as I can tell, any positive uses the
 service may have had are negated by the nature and quantity of
   personal
 information it robs from public interactions and private mail
 accounts. As usual, when a service is free then YOU are the product.
 RA
 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 23:28:39 +0900
 To: dwinh...@lmi.net
 CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 From: edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: xx problem
 
 x seems to be a fairly useless thing for me. The main use Ive
 made of it is to grab friends pictures to put in my address book. I
 never endorse people anymore because then I just get bothered by more
 and more messages. However, I did reach Terry through x sparked
 by Rons suggestion.
 
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote:
 
 To Terry Schumacher and anyone else on xx-
 
 I no longer have an account on x. Please stop x (if
 possible) from bothering me with contact/endorsement  other
   requests.
 Nothing personal, hostile, reclusive or anything; I just no longer
   have
 an account with x- it provides nothing of any personal or
 professional use to me. I can always be contacted through this elist
   if
 you do not have my personal email address.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Dan
   x
 
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[LUTE] Can you tell something about this instrument?

[wayne cripps]

Hi Lute people -

  I was contacted by Bill E who owns this theorbo like instrument, and he is 
wondering if 
any of you folk have any idea what its story is.  I have his story and pictures 
of it at 

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/bill-e/index.html

  The pictures are quite big.  You can reply to eichbaumwill...@hotmail.com

  Wayne


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[LUTE] Re: band-aid texture question

[wayne cripps]

Hi Collective Wisdom -

 Thanks for all your suggestions about curing my thumb cracks!  I tried some
moisturizer which helped, and the temperature going from -5 to 25 ( -20 to 4 C )
really helped too.  I was surprised by how many people had ideas about this!

   Wayne



 Begin forwarded message:
 
 Date: January 29, 2015 at 10:52:23 AM EST
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 From: wayne cripps w...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] band-aid texture question
 
 Hi folks -
 
  I am having serious issues with cracked skin on my thumb. about where it
 contacts the string, because of the dry winter weather here in the north.
 I am using band-aids to keep the crack closed, but the ones that I have tried 
 all are too slippery to get a good sound on the lute strings.  Has anyone 
 found a good answer to this problem - either some bandage that works well
 for plucking, or some other way to keep the skin from cracking?
 
 Wayne
 
 
 
 
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[LUTE] band-aid texture question

[wayne cripps]

Hi folks -

  I am having serious issues with cracked skin on my thumb. about where it
contacts the string, because of the dry winter weather here in the north.
I am using band-aids to keep the crack closed, but the ones that I have tried 
all are too slippery to get a good sound on the lute strings.  Has anyone 
found a good answer to this problem - either some bandage that works well
for plucking, or some other way to keep the skin from cracking?

 Wayne




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[LUTE] Forwarded Message: AMS Call for Papers

[wayne cripps]

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[LUTE] Forwarded message - AMS Call for Papers take two

[wayne cripps]

We will try again ...


Dear Friends,

Apologies for sending this so late. If you have any questions, please contact 
me directly at dola...@fiu.edu. 

Best wishes to you all,
David Dolata

AMS Louisville 2015
Call for Performances
Deadline: 15 January 2015 
The AMS Performance Committee invites proposals for concerts, lecture-recitals, 
and other performances and performance-related events during the 2015 
Louisville Annual Meeting. We encourage proposals that demonstrate the 
Society’s diversity of interests, range of approaches, and geographic and 
chronological breadth inspired by or complementing new musicological finds that 
develop a point of view or offer a programmatic focus. Performances related to 
the meeting’s venue are especially welcome. 
Freelance artists as well as performers and ensembles affiliated with colleges, 
universities, or conservatories are encouraged to submit proposals. Available 
presentation times include lunch hours, afternoons, and Thursday evening, 12 
November 2015. 
Required application materials include: 1) an application cover sheet 
(available from the AMS office or via this link); 2) a proposed program listing 
repertory, performer(s), and the duration of each work; 3) a list of 
audio-visual and performance needs; 4) a short (100-word) biography of each 
participant named in the proposal; 5) for concerts, a one-page explanation of 
the significance of the program or manner of performance; for lecture-recitals, 
a description (two pages maximum) explaining the significance of the program or 
manner of performance, and a summary of the lecture component, including 
information pertaining to the underlying research, its methodology, and 
conclusions; 6) representative audio or visual materials pertaining to the 
program and performers (twenty minutes maximum). An individual may not present 
both a paper and a performance (or lecture-recital) at the meeting. If an 
individual’s proposals to the Program and Performance Committee are both 
selected!
 , the applicant will be given an early opportunity to decide which invitation 
to accept and which to decline. Though the AMS is unable to offer a fee to 
artists, modest subsidies are occasionally available for performance-related 
expenses. Please see the application cover sheet for proposal submission 
details. Materials must arrive at the AMS office no later than 5 p.m. EST, 15 
January 2015. Exceptions cannot be made to this deadline, so please plan 
accordingly. Receipts will be sent to those who have submitted proposals by the 
deadline, and the committee will communicate its decisions by 15 April, 2015. 
—David Dolata 
Performance Committee Chair



David Dolata, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Musicology
School of Music
Wertheim Performing  Arts Center, PAC 140
Florida International University
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[LUTE] what JMPoirier really wanted to say about those sarabands

[wayne cripps]

 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: jmpoirier2 jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr
 To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk, Ron Andrico 
 praelu...@hotmail.com, Thomas Walker twlute...@hotmail.com, 
 lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: those sarabands
 Date: December 17, 2014 at 4:23:40 AM EST
 
 I think Thomas was questioning the existing contemporary sources to choose a 
 correct tempo for the saraband in the 1630s. 
 To my knowledge Mersenne is the only one to address this question when he 
 recapitulates all the dance movements of his time (1636) and his indications 
 point towards a brisk tempo, exactly like English sarabands at the same time; 
 Locke always indicate brisk for his sarabands for instance. 
 Best wishes to all
 Jean-Marie 
 
 -- Original Message --
 From: Martyn Hodgson 
 Date: 17/12/2014 9:53
 To: Ron Andrico;Thomas Walker;lute@cs.dartmouth.edu;
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: those sarabands
 
Do you really mean to say that the tempo of a dance played on, say, the
lute has no relationship whatsoever to the tempo at which
contemporaries actually danced it?
MH
  __
 
From: Ron Andrico 
To: Thomas Walker ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu

Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2014, 20:55
Subject: [LUTE] Re: those sarabands
  Hello Thomas:
  A good modernish source of information can be found in D. J. Buch,
The
  Influence of the Ballet de cour in the Genesis of the French Baroque
  Suite, Acta Musicologica, Vol. 57, Fasc. 1 (Jan. - Jun., 1985), pp.
  94-109.  The saraband is discussed on page 102.
  Since so much 17th-century lute music consisted of boiled-down
versions
  of popular dance tunes, it important to know how a particular dance
  worked in it's original context.  Then one has to realize that, since
  lutes are and were inaudible when dancer's feet scrape the floor, the
  music is adapted and performed in whatever manner the player wishes.
  RA
   Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:03:13 -0600
   To: [1]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   From: [2]twlute...@hotmail.com
   Subject: [LUTE] those sarabands
  
   Greetings all--
   I know the sarabande was originally a lively ditty which morphed
  pretty
   thoroughly by the late 17th century. I have a question about the
   middle ground, in particular the sarabandes found in Ballard's
prints
   from the 1630s, though. Many seem to work whether played lively
or
   stately, and I know of an old Bailes recording where he positively
   burns through a sarabande by Mesangeau. I also have played
sarabands
   in ensemble works by Jenkins et al that demanded a lively reading.
   The question is, what textual evidence do we have for expected
tempi
  of
   sarabandes of the French school 1610-1640?
   Thank you kindly,
   Thomas Walker, Jr.
  
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2. file://localhost/net/people/lute-arc/L10273-6162TMP.html
3. file://localhost/net/people/lute-arc/L10273-6162TMP.html
 


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[LUTE] Re: those sarabands

[wayne cripps]

Jean-Marie was trying to say -


Interesting regarding late 17th century sarabands but for the earlier type only 
Mersenne (1636) says something pointing to a quick or lively tempo as I replied 
to Thomas before. I don't know of another source mentioning the saraband in the 
1630 when the Ballard prints were released. 
Best,
Jean-Marie



 Begin forwarded message:
 
 Date: December 16, 2014 at 2:18:00 PM EST
 To: jmpoirier2 jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr, Daniel F. Heiman 
 heiman.dan...@juno.com, 'Thomas Walker' twlute...@hotmail.com, 
 lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 From: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: those sarabands
 
 97Pqi! F6zsdf+dsfu9u8w4r! :-)
 
 On 16.12.2014 16:22, jmpoirier2 wrote:
PHNwYW4gc3R5bGU9ImZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMHB0OyI+PHAgc3R5bGU9ImZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMnB
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cmdpbi10b3A6MDttYXJnaW4tYm90dG9tOjA7Ij48c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9udC1zaXplOjE
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[LUTE] Re: Single versus triple roses

[wayne lute]

Herbert -

I think that a string has many resonant narrow frequencies, all musically 
related to each 
other.  A cymbal has many narrow resonant frequencies, all *not* musically 
related
to each other.  So our ears do not add them up into one musical note.
But the cymbal does resonate.

 Wayne


 Begin forwarded message:
 
 
 From: Herbert Ward wa...@physics.utexas.edu 
 mailto:wa...@physics.utexas.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Single versus triple roses
 
 As an exercise, I pose this question.  A cymbal has no definite
 pitch, but it rings for a long time.  So it does not follow the 
 rules below.  Why?
 
 
 On Sat, 29 Nov 2014, Herbert Ward wrote:
 
 But I invite all you proper physicists out there to explain why!
 
 I have a PhD in experimental physics.
 
 The term resonant frequency is a bit complicated.
 
 A string has a resonant frequency (its pitch).
 But a string's resonant frequency is obviously different from
 a lute's resonant frequency.  For when I tap my lute, it does not
 ring at a specific pitch like (F# or Bb or 413.7 Hz).
 
 A lute's resonant frequency is very broad (I guess several octaves).
 A string's resonant frequency is very narrow (I guess 0.5 Hz).
 
 As the math works out:
 lute   haves a broad resonant frequency  = short ring time
 string haves a narrow resonant frequency = long ring time
 
 The physical difference is how much damping there here.
 You can google damped harmonic oscillater for more info.
 
 Many factors apply to both lutes and strings:
1. lighter = higher pitch
2. stiffer = higher pitch
3. heavier = lower pitch
4. looser = lower pitch
 
 As to why a smaller rosette makes a lower pitch, I'm not sure.  It
 might be simply because the is more mass in the soundboard  (#3 above).
 Or it might have be related to how wooodwind sound holes work.  Or maybe
 both.  An experiment to resolve the question would, I'm afraid, involve
 the destruction/degradation of the soundboard on a good lute.
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: Tab for John Sturt's prelude.

[wayne cripps]

 
 In the middle of the third line, on the first course, there
 are two adjacent tablature letters of unfamiliar shape.
 
 The first resembles a 'p' with a long straight tail.  And the
 second resembles a 'p' with a hooked tail.  Can someone identify
 these two letters for me?  Are they 'f' and 'h'?

Pat O'Brien used to say h's have hooks



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[LUTE] Re: Archives

[wayne cripps]

Hi Stewart -

  The Official lute mail list archives go back to the beginning, 
to a message from Caroline on Feb 11, 1992.  These archives are
in ftp form, at ftp://ftp.cs.dartmouth.edu/pub/lute (connect as
guest, or ftp) and are in multiple month files.  These days
you could download them all and store them on your computer for
easy searching.  Your message is there, in the file

  There are also various mail list archive sites on the web, and on
Aug 29 2003 I started sending messages to mail-archive.com.  Other
people have signed up to send messages to other archive sites 
at various times.  In the case of archive sites, I do not run the 
sites.  I just direct messages that way, and the site owners do the rest.
They have sometimes censored certain posts, or advertised pornography
on the margins, and I have no control of that.

  Every message gets automatically added to the FTP archives after a week.
I haven't gotten around to organizing the most recent years.

  Wayne


On Sep 2, 2014, at 7:20 AM, Stewart McCoy lu...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

   Dear Wayne,
 
   How far back do the Lute Net Archives go? I have been trying to locate
   my first message to the Lute Net, which was on 8th September 1999,
   about the song As I me walked, but I can't find any messages that
   long ago.
 
   Best wishes,
 
   Stewart McCoy.
 
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[LUTE] Re: those Pignoses!

[wayne lute]

Begin forwarded message:

 From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com
 
 My Pignose Hog 30 
 is my go to amp for playing at outdoor events!  (along with a Sennheiser
 microphone and a line adaptor)
 
 How’s the bass response? Does it make a lute sound like a lute?
 I used to use the original model in my electric days, though I can’t for the 
 life of me remember what I used it for.
 

The Hog 30 is designed for bass, so it is clean and has much better bass than 
the little Pignose.  It is over a foot tall, so not as portable as the little 
one, but has big rechargeable batteries that last a long time, and if what goes 
in sounds like a lute, what comes out sounds like a lute.
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[LUTE] Re: those Pignoses! - especially the Hog 30!

[wayne cripps]

So I have the Hog 30, which is very clean with good bass, though nowhere
near as loud as a cranked 30 watt tube amp.  I have a Sennheiser 441
mic (which is kind of expensive these days) on a nice boom stand
which can be adjusted to be about 2.5 feet high,
with a cable and a low to high impedance line transformer (by Shure or Hosa).
I set the mic up on its stand in front of me and put the Pignose off to 
the side.  My wife uses a Mini-Mouse which is a very nice amp, but
with its smaller speaker the bass isn't as good, and I think it is
not made anymore.

There is a picture with me playing the g**tar at

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/me/opening5.jpg


  Wayne


Begin forwarded message:

 From
 It is over a foot tall, so not as portable as the little one, but has
 big rechargeable batteries that last a long time, and if what goes in
 sounds like a lute, what comes out sounds like a lute.
 
 This is of interest to me, since I sometimes need amplification for outdoor 
 gigs.  From your reference to Sennheiser, I take it you use a microphone for 
 the lute, rather than having some sort of pickup installed.  Could you say 
 more about how this works?  A picture might help.
 
 Geoff




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[LUTE] Re: those Pignoses!

[wayne cripps]

So why aren't people sticking to the subject line?  My Pignose Hog 30 
is my go to amp for playing at outdoor events!  (along with a Sennheiser
microphone and a line adaptor)

  Wayne



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[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

[wayne cripps]

I think one of the theories of researching and attempting to emulate the 
techniques of the old days is to shake us out of our complacency with 
the current way of doing things, much as taking apart an oboe and bassoon
and playing just the reed (extended techniques) is a way to shake up
musicians who are stuck in the current techniques.  Of course not everyone 
wants to play this game, which requires research and experimentation
skills, and time.  Many people are very happy to go to school and
pay someone to tell them exactly how to perform their art.  These days
there is a well defined old style of playing the lute that you can
learn without doing any research or experimentation yourself.

When we look at a lot of old pictures of people playing the lute in a certain
era and a certain place we see a certain consistency.  We see a lot of rh 
little fingers sticking out near the bridge, but we can't easily tell whether 
they are firmly planted or just making occasional light contact.  We can't 
tell how long the  fingernails are or the gauge and pitch of the strings.  
So exactly how the old ones played is a puzzle with pieces missing.

Another sociological question is that of peer pressure in the lute world.
Why do some people feel defensive, or why are they persecuted for applying
a contemporary or 100 year old technique to a much older instrument?  Why 
are there so few electric archlutes?  There is a thesis for your PHD degree!

  Wayne




Begin forwarded message:

 From: Tobiah t...@tobiah.org
 
If we aim to recapture the sound the
Old Ones made then it is surely right to adopt the same technique they
used.
 
 As a fringe exercise, rather like a reenactment of the civil war, I can
 see having some interest in duplicating as close as possible, what was
 done with the music and instruments during the time that they were created.




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[LUTE] Re: Lute Bridge vs Guitar Bridge Functioning

[wayne cripps]

This is a bit rough, and from memory, but Benade in Fundamentals of Musical 
Acoustics
talks about what he calls the impedance of strings and soundboards and 
bridges.
He likens it to light going through a glass window - some of the light goes 
through and
some is reflected, depending on the relative characteristics of the glass and 
air.
In the same way, the sound wave that is traveling down a string can be 
reflected back to 
the string causing the sound to sustain, or can go the bridge and top of the 
instrument and 
make a sound.  Just how much is reflected versus transmitted to the top depends 
on the 
relationship in impedance between the string and bridge.  A light bridge and 
top, like
in a banjo, means more of the sound goes from the string to the top, in a quick 
loud 
burst.  A heavier bridge and top, like the brass bridge that people used to put 
on electric
guitars, causes the more of the sound wave to reflect back to the string, and 
causes 
more sustain and less volume.  Presumable on the banjo the pressure from the 
tailpiece 
also changes the relative impedance ratio.  The same impedance match takes 
place 
between the top of the instrument and the air.

  Wayne


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Bridge vs Guitar Bridge Functioning
 Date: August 1, 2014 at 2:29:35 AM EDT
 To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Bruno Correia 
 bruno.l...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
 
   In fact both lute and guitar bridges function in the same way. In
   short, a horizontal force (imposed by the string) is momentarily
   increased when the string is displaced (plucked); this in turn
   increases the turning moment of the bridge (ie force x height of string
   above belly at take-off point) which in turn causes the belly to
   vibrate with mostly a wave action (tho' some vertical pumping action
   too) and thus amplifying the sound by varying the air pressure within
   the soundbox. Whether the vibrating string leads from a loop (lute) or
   from over a saddle (later guitars) is immaterial - it is the height of
   the string at take-off which is relevant. Vibration patterns have, in
   fact, been studied: eg the Galpin Society Journal (Hellwig I recall)
   which contains relevant papers.
   Differences in timbre between instruments may well be due to many other
   factors rather than the way the physics of the bridge works, including:
   mass of bridge (size and density), surface area of base of bridge,
   stiffness of bridge, barring, internal shape of soundbox and its
   volume, etc.
   An illustrative example: many years ago I made a 5 course guitar after
   Sellas and fitted an ebony bridge (thinking the original had one). The
   sound was quiet and muffled (tho' with considerable sustain). I had a
   rethink and after further investigation decided to remove it and fit a
   fruitwood (actually pear) black stained bridge to precisely the same
   design: the resulting sound was considerably freer and increased the
   output ie volume. In fact the much greater mass of the ebony bridge was
   acting as a considerable dampener requiring more of the vibrational
   energy of the string to set it in motion than that of the fruitwood
   bridge which had a mass less than half that of the ebony. On the other
   hand, the ebony bridge's greater mass meant that it had more inertia
   and thus continued to oscillate for longer than the fruitwood bridge -
   thus giving the greater (if much quieter) sustain.
   MH
   PS Incidentally, drilling the string holes low down on a modern guitar
   bridge does not increase the string tension/force and hence the turning
   moment of the string at the bridge (and it could not be otherwise,
   since for a given string the pitch is simply a function of transverse
   force/string tension) but does increase the resultant vector
   downbearing on the saddle which avoids excessive frictional string
   slide (and hence loss of energy ie output) across the saddle. The
   discrete loop take-off point used on lutes and early guitars avoids
   this problem.
 __
 
   From: t...@heartistrymusic.com t...@heartistrymusic.com
   To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Bruno Correia
   bruno.l...@gmail.com
   Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014, 1:18
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Bridge vs Guitar Bridge Functioning
   Thanks Bruno!  So far, yours is the only response.
   I hope to hear some more also : )
 Tom
   Date sent:  Sat, 26 Jul 2014 18:57:28 -0300
   To:lute-cs.dartmouth.edu [1]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   From:  Bruno Correia [2]bruno.l...@gmail.com
   Subject:[LUTE] Re: Lute Bridge vs Guitar Bridge Functioning
 Very nice question! Hope to hear some responses on this topic.
 2014-07-26 11:20 GMT-03:00 [1][3]t...@heartistrymusic.com:
   Dear List

[LUTE] fuzzy lute

[wayne cripps]

Hi people -

 One of my lutes has a varnish finish, and in the humid weather the fuzz from 
the case lining sticks to the varnish, and gives part of the bowl a flocked 
look!  Can you suggest a way to get the fuzz off and keep it from sticking 
again?  The lute is about 20 years old.

  Wayne




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[LUTE] Re: fuzzy lute

[wayne cripps]

I am forwarding this at David's request ..


 From: David Brown arpali...@gmail.com
 Subject: RE: [LUTE] fuzzy lute
 Date: July 28, 2014 at 11:21:55 AM EDT
 
 Hello Wayne,
 
 Sorry for not replying to the list, but the ease of just hitting reply is
 the line of least resistance this morning. Feel free to CC this to the list.
 
 I hope I can help you with this matter. First off, it would be good to know
 the maker. When you say varnish, I assume you think it is an oil based
 varnish? A spirit based varnish can exhibit these symptoms, too.
 Do consider M. Daille's words, checking with the luthier, waiting for
 cooler, dryer weather and trying a light polish to remove the fuzz. This is
 good advice. 
 
 Mainly, I see this issue with the linseed/resin varnishes that many luthiers
 cook up or often called turpene varnishes. They are great varnishes, but
 often can soften with heat and humidity. They really need to be cooked
 properly and the quality of the polymerized oil high.
 
 I often get instruments that have softened by body heat, summer temps and
 humidity. The players body chemistry can have come into play as well. Often
 this mixes into a soft, gooey mess that will never harden and often comes
 off during cleaning. I have even redone the varnish on extreme cases.
 
 Any steps should be tried on a very small spot before proceeding with the
 rest of the instrument.
 
 I would try the light polish first as mentioned by M. Daille. If this
 doesn't work you could also try the following.
 
 This method is used more when there is more dirt and mung incorporated
 into the varnish. Try a mix of water and Murphys oil soap. Dr. Bronners
 castile soap is another you can try, but it is a little more aggressive. Use
 the soap in very small amounts on a slightly moist cloth. If this works,
 continue this process maybe over several sessions, allowing the lute to
 rest. The varnish is soft and will take prints and the rubbing will soften
 it further. If this does not work, then you will need to use a more
 aggressive solution which I would suggest a luthier who is used to working
 with these type of varnishes continue the work. It depends how deeply
 imbedded the lining fibers are in the finish. Aggressive scrubbing can
 remove this varnish. 
 If it does work, the lute could maintain the high polish or be a little
 dull. Let it dry in indirect sun with hopefully low humidity. You could try
 a fine violin polish for oil finishes to restore the gloss. After the
 instrument has dried more in the indirect sun, use high grade wax with a
 high percentage of carnauba in it to make a barrier. This type of wax should
 be available from a high end woodworking or antique restoration supply
 place. Use this very sparingly also. It can potentially soften the varnish
 if over applied. Again allow to dry as the rubbing will soften the varnish
 again. This wax can help it from sticking to the case. A cloth can also be
 put in the case as a buffer, but you might just get another type of pattern
 the next time...
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 Sincerely,
 
 David
 
David B. Brown, Luthier
3811 Ellerslie Avenue
  Baltimore, MD 21218-1952
arpali...@gmail.com
 410-366-4865
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
 Of wayne cripps
 Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:40 AM
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] fuzzy lute
 
 
 Hi people -
 
 One of my lutes has a varnish finish, and in the humid weather the fuzz
 from the case lining sticks to the varnish, and gives part of the bowl a
 flocked look!  Can you suggest a way to get the fuzz off and keep it from
 sticking again?  The lute is about 20 years old.
 
  Wayne
 
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: The golden rose

[wayne cripps]

I got my copy of this message June 22, 2013!

  Wayne


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: The golden rose
 Date: May 4, 2014 at 8:35:52 AM EDT
 To: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de, Lute List 
 lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Reply-To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
 
   It's almost 12 months since I sent this mail- is this a record delay on
   Wayne's list!
   Martyn
 __
 
   From: Mathias RAP:sel mathias.roe...@t-online.de
   To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Sunday, 4 May 2014, 13:27
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: The golden rose
 Dear David,
 You are probably right - forget the papal rose line. Though perhaps
   the
 rose reference is some personal link known to those around G at the
 time. But perhaps a gilded rose is likely - I'm just cautious about
 proceeding from speculation to certainty
 It does sound, tho', as if the thing had been nicked!
 regards
 Martyn
   Perhaps Martyn was not at all far from the spot. There was a papal
   golden
   rose in Ennemond Gaultier's immediate environment. His employer's
   daughter,
   Henrietta Maria, received a papal golden rose in 1625. She had been
   Madame
   Royale as of 1622 (later creating what today is known as the role of
   Princess Royal in the UK). She was trained, along with her sisters, in
   riding, dancing, and singing, and took part in French court plays
   (Wiki),
   that way most certainly being in the environment of Ennemond Gaultier
   (or
   him being in hers, rather) who was employed by her mother, queen Maria
   de'
   Medici. In 1625, she left her mother and France for her marriage with
   Charles I. of England. The loss of the golden rose may well be imagined
   as
   the mother's loss of her daughter, bearing that rose. That would well
   match
   the character of the related allemande grave in F minor by Ennemond
   Gaultier
   (Burwell lute tutor, ch. xv). And while we're at it, why would a gilded
   lute
   rose not allude to that lost Golden Rose?
   Mathias
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[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

[wayne cripps]

Begin forwarded message:

 From: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau
 Date: April 21, 2014 at 6:11:14 AM EDT
 To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 Not only did Mesangeau use this tuning a lot. This piece has many
 stylistic traits
 characteristic of him.
 I suggest he could well have been the composer. Otherwise someone else has
 deliberately cited from his work. Anyway Tombeau de Mesangeau might mean
 Tombeau by Mesangeau as well as Tombeau for Mesangeau. If my suggestion is
 right, this tombeau would predate the one composed by Ennemond Gaultier.
 Lex
 
 Would be funny, though. Correct me if I'm wrong, I was thinking that
 tombeaux in the 17th century were composed for real deceased persons, and
 not just like that as a stylistic exercise like in the 20th/21st centuries.
 Unless it be clear for whom this tombeau was penned other than for late
 Mesangeau, I'd assume it was written at the occasion of Mesangeau's obituary
 by someone else.
 
 Mathias
 

So who wrote the other pieces in VM7 6211 ?  Has someone published an analysis?

  Wayne

 
 
  according to Peter's wonderful database, 3 have been found:
 
 F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v
 http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b52503776m/f66.image
 
 That's a different piece, in one of the transistor tunings :-) May be
 BY Mezangeau.
 
 That is the flat tuning, (like Lester) which Mesangeau did use a lot.
 
 
 
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[LUTE] backpacks for lutes?

[wayne cripps]

I see guys carrying 'cellos and guitars in backpacks - does anyone make a 
backpack for a baroque lute (in its case)?

  Wayne




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[LUTE] Re: making sure your message looks as you intended it -

[wayne cripps]

Hi folks -

 Due to an absolutely overwhelming lack of interest, I am not
going to change how the lute list handles formatted messages.

 Wayne


Begin forwarded message:
 
  The lute list robot converts every message to plain text because
 there was a time, not long ago in lute builders time, when many
 of the readers could not interpret the fancier HTML coding that
 would appear in their mailbox, and they complained loudly about
 it.  If it seems clear that now nobody is using a mail reader that 
 doesn't understand HTML, I could start sending the mail on as 
 HTML, which would allow people to use various fonts and colors
 in their messages.  This would not be trivial for me to do, and
 some small number of messages would still come through garbled,
 but it is a possibility, if everyone on the list wanted things
 to work that way.  I know a few people would be very excited
 to see HTML messages passed on in their original form, but I need
 to feel that everyone would prefer it.  So let me know, one way or
 the other.
 
  Wayne
 



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[LUTE] making sure your message looks as you intended it -

[Wayne Cripps]

Hi lute people -

  I recommend that when you compose a message to send to the 
lute list that you set the format to plain and avoid rich 
text and HTML.  This will keep you from using formatting 
options that won't get past the mail list robot un-mangled.  

  The lute list robot converts every message to plain text because
there was a time, not long ago in lute builders time, when many
of the readers could not interpret the fancier HTML coding that
would appear in their mailbox, and they complained loudly about
it.  If it seems clear that now nobody is using a mail reader that 
doesn't understand HTML, I could start sending the mail on as 
HTML, which would allow people to use various fonts and colors
in their messages.  This would not be trivial for me to do, and
some small number of messages would still come through garbled,
but it is a possibility, if everyone on the list wanted things
to work that way.  I know a few people would be very excited
to see HTML messages passed on in their original form, but I need
to feel that everyone would prefer it.  So let me know, one way or
the other.

  Wayne




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[LUTE] a baroque lute shortage

[Wayne Cripps]

Hi -

  I am involved in a situation where several people are looking for
used baroque lutes at the lower end of the price range.  (Everyone has a 
Lowe or Tomlinson for sale, it seems).  This seems a bit odd, as
a while ago there seemed to be enough baroque lutes for sale to 
go around.  So I guess my message is - if you have a baroque lute
that you would like to move, now is the time.

  Wayne



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[LUTE] Ron's blog

[wayne cripps]

In case your message cot garbled, Ron's blog is at

http://wp.me/p15OyV-WI

  Wayne



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[LUTE] rent a baroque lute in NYC area?

[wayne cripps]

Hi -

 I have been in contact with a beginner in the New York City area who wants to 
rent a baroque lute, or possibly buy one.  If you have something to offer let 
me know and I will give you his contact information.

 Wayne




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[LUTE] dartmouth tablature site back on line

[wayne cripps]

Hi folks -

 This weekend the Dartmouth beginner computer programmers 
were let loose on the system, and a lot of things stopped 
working, including the lute tablature pages.  The students
are done (for now) and you should be able to download
tablature again.

 http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi

   Wayne



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[LUTE] Fwd: Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…) and now what?

[wayne cripps]

Frederick Noad was on this lute list back in the mid '90s

  Wayne

Begin forwarded message:

 From: Sean Smith lutesm...@mac.com
 Subject: [LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…) and now what?
 Date: December 16, 2013 at 11:55:41 AM EST
 To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 
 What? No love for Frederick Noad's, The Renaissance Guitar? That's where I 
 found my first breath of fresh airs. Guess I'm a dated 70's man. Ain't got 
 time for disco, babe, gotta make Holborne fit on my geetar. 




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[LUTE] please edit the message you are replying to

[wayne lute]

Hi People -

  I would like to request that when you reply to one point in a long 
posting you edit the posting to remove the parts that you are not 
replying to.  For example, in Nancy's reply to Ernesto's message
she is referring to one comment he made, and I can't find that 
comment in his long message (or I am not willing to put that
much effort into finding it.)

  Wayne



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[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed ukuleles

[wayne cripps]

Is that the Yamaha Guitalele?  Does that work as a beach/mountain instrument?

  Wayne


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
 Date: December 9, 2013 at 11:38:24 AM EST
 To: Geoff Gaherty ge...@gaherty.ca
 Cc: Lute Dmth lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 lutekulele?
 
 Geoff-  YOU WIN!
 
 
 
 On 12/9/2013 6:18 AM, Geoff Gaherty wrote:
 On 09/12/13 8:34 AM, William Brohinsky wrote:
 I own an electric guitar, and a small subset of the amazingly wide and
varied tone-modifiers and other paraphernalia of electric-guitar use.
And yet, I also own two acoustic 6-strings, two acoustic 12-strings,
two classical guitars (admittedly, my wife brought one to the union)
and a mandolin. Why ever for?
 
 I now own 10 different plucked instruments: medieval lute, renaissance lutes 
 at a', g', and d', archlute, cittern, bandora, renaissance guitar, baroque 
 guitar, and lutekulele.  I play them all regularly, though mostly the g' 
 renaissance and the baroque guitar (my newest toy).  In my other hobby, 
 astronomy, I own 12 telescopes.  Fortunately my wife is a fabric artist, and 
 owns half a dozen sewing machines, so she understands.
 
 Each instrument has its own function, strengths, and weaknesses. In each 
 area we own a few high end devices, plus a variety of inexpensive 
 experiments.  In my case, the former includes custom-made telescopes and 
 lutes, the latter includes mass-produced Chinese telescopes, Pakistani 
 pluckies, and various homebrews.
 
 And yes, we both know that we are sick.
 
 Geoff
 
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Technical Note -- Mus. Ms. 40633

[wayne cripps]

Hi -

  One thing the lute list robot does is to convert certain character 
codes that have equals signs = in them to something else.  This is because 
many computers uses the = sign followed by a number to represent a 
special character.  so the equals sign followed by a 23 in Ralf's message 
became a hash mark #.

  Here is the address with spaces inserted around the equals sign.  If you
are handy you could cut and paste this into your browser and then delete
the spaces.

   Wayne


http://jbc.bj.uj.edu.pl/dlibra/doccontent?id = 231274from = FBC


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Ralf Bachmann ralfbachm...@hotmail.com
 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mus. Ms. 40633
 Date: September 17, 2013 4:16:29 PM EDT
 To: baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
   Somehow the link got changed ... it should read
   doccontent?id#1274fromuC
   Anyway, after the Error message, go to main page and type 40633
   *Search*
   That should help ;)
 
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[LUTE] Re:

[wayne cripps]

Hi folks ! -

 I got this request from Katie Gardiner, kgard...@skidmore.edu - please reply 
directly to her if you are interested!  

 Wayne

Begin forwarded message:

 From: Katie Gardiner kgard...@skidmore.edu
 Date: August 9, 2013 12:23:10 PM EDT
 To: w...@cs.dartmouth.edu w...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 
 Hello!
 I came across your website while searching for a lute player!  I'm looking 
 for a lute player (and a harpsichordist, if you know one!) to play Handel's 
 Ode for St. Cecilia's Day and a few movements from Alexander's Feast at 
 Skidmore College.  Rehearsals would be Nov. 13 and 15, 7:30-9pm, and the 
 performance is on Saturday the 16th at 3pm.  
 Any info you have on players who might be interested would be greatly 
 appreciated!  We're currently offering union wages, which comes to $255 for 
 the gig.  
 Kind regards,
 Katie Gardiner


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[LUTE] Re: colonel public Lute awareness

[wayne cripps]

This would apply to people who say music is bad when not played on gut strings, 
when played with period-inappropriate instruments, when played with the wrong 
kind of thumb, or played on a sax when they used clarinets in the old days.  In 
the jazz world a lot of people argue about what is jazz and what isn't jazz.  
Not like us!

 Wayne


Begin forwarded message:

 From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: colonel public Lute awareness
 Date: August 7, 2013 6:26:59 PM EDT
 To: lutelist Dmth lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 On Aug 7, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Leonard Williams arc...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 I believe the criterion for judging good music from bad lies in the quote
 (also Ellington??): If it sounds good, it is good.
 
 This is either tautology or useful advice for anyone in the habit of judging 
 music by its smell.
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[LUTE] Re: Dowland song paraphrases - correct link

[wayne cripps]

The lute robot tends to cut off the end of URLs put in the text, but the robot 
also
usually puts the correct link at the end of the page.  In this case even the 
unmangled
link at the end of the page is not working, so I will have to check the inner 
workings of
the robot to see if it can be fixed.

   Wayne


On Jul 30, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Matteo Turri matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com wrote:

   This is so frustrating ... when going through the Lute server the link
   is modified.
   Try this:
   [1]Link to the files
   Matteo
 
   On 30 July 2013 15:58, Matteo Turri [2]matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com
   wrote:
 
 Here the correct link:
 [3]https://drive.google.com/folderview?idzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQ;
 usp=sharing
 Sorry
 Matteo
 
   On 30 July 2013 15:53, Matteo Turri [4]matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com
   wrote:
 
  Following a number of requests, I have put the paraphrases of
   Dowland's
  four books and the Musical Banquet on a public accessible Google
   Drive:
 
 
 [1][5]https://drive.google.com/folderview?idzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTM
 zQusp
 
  =sharing
  This is the original message in the lute list that referred to them
   in
  2008:
 
 
 [2][6]http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg26955.htm
 l
 
  I cite part of it here:
  David Hill has completed his paraphrases to Dowland's The First
   Booke
   of Songs - which I am delighted to say is now downloadable from
   the
 
   John Dowland website:
 [1][3][7]http://www.johndowland.co.uk/songs.htm
 
 
 
 
   David would like me to point out that ''these are only MY
   interpretations of the meanings of the songs, and I may well be
   wrong,
   or simply unaware of certain facts or bits of info, folklore or
   other
   Jacobean titbits. You could perhaps tell folk that all suggestions
   of
   alternative readings/interpretations will be considered (like a
   rather
   better-informed early musical Wikipedia''
 
 
 
   I'm sure these paraphrases will be of tremendous help to singers
   and
   their accompanists, and I urge you to encourage performers to
   download
   these texts. And - it need hardly be said - a huge Thank You to
   David
   Hill for taking the time to complete Book 1. I understand that
   Book 2
   is well on its way, with the others to follow.
 
 
  Enjoy
  Matteo
 
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 References
1.
 [8]https://drive.google.com/folderview?idzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQ;
 usp=sharing
 
 
   [9]https://drive.google.com/folderview?idzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQusp
   =sharing
 
2.
 [10]http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg26955.html
3. [11]http://www.johndowland.co.uk/songs.htm
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   1. 
 https://drive.google.com/folderview?idzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQusp=sharing
   2. mailto:matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com
   3. 
 https://drive.google.com/folderview?idzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQusp=sharing
   4. mailto:matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com
   5. https://drive.google.com/folderview?idzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQusp
   6. http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg26955.html
   7. http://www.johndowland.co.uk/songs.htm
   8. 
 https://drive.google.com/folderview?idzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQusp=sharing
   9. 
 https://drive.google.com/folderview?idzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQusp=sharing
  10. http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg26955.html
  11. http://www.johndowland.co.uk/songs.htm
  12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 

[LUTE] Re: Dowland song paraphrases - correct link

[wayne cripps]

Hopefully this corrcted address will pass throught the robot successfully1

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQusp=sharing

Begin forwarded message:

 From: wayne cripps wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 
 The lute robot tends to cut off the end of URLs put in the text, but the 
 robot also
 usually puts the correct link at the end of the page.  In this case even the 
 unmangled
 link at the end of the page is not working, so I will have to check the inner 
 workings of
 the robot to see if it can be fixed.
 
 On Jul 30, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Matteo Turri matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Following a number of requests, I have put the paraphrases of
  Dowland's
 four books and the Musical Banquet on a public accessible Google
  Drive:
 
 

 https://drive.google.com/folderview?=0BidzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQusp=sharing
 This is the original message in the lute list that referred to them
  in
 2008:
 
 
http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg26955.html




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[LUTE] Re: Lute mail list down

[wayne cripps]

Thanks for your appreciation!  I apologize for the server being down,
the past few weeks have been very hectic for me.  I will be changing the
server again in a short while, I hope the transfer goes more smoothly.

Usually if several days go by with no lute messages there is probably
a problem, and I welcome your getting in touch with me to let me know.

 Wayne


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute mail list down
 Date: April 4, 2013 7:41:18 AM EDT
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Cc: w...@cs.dartmouth.edu w...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
   Wayne:
   Thanks very much for what must have been a huge amount of work in
   fixing the server problem.  We know how much time and effort something
   like this can take, and everyone on the lute list appreciates your
   generosity and expertise in providing this forum.
   With gratitude,
   Ron  Donna,
 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Lute mail list down
 From: w...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:54:20 -0400
 To: praelu...@hotmail.com
 
 
 The lute list was down for a week, I got it working friday, but it
   broke again
 on monday and I just got it started again.
 
 Wayne
 
 On Apr 3, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com
   wrote:
 
 Hello Wayne:
 
 Is the lute list still down? I seem to get random lute list
   messages and, to top it off, my hotmail account just switched to a new
   format. I'm not sure what's what.
 
 Ron
 
 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:34:18 -0400
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 From: w...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] Lute mail list down
 
 
 The lute mail list server has been down for a week. I have it
   running
 on a spare for now, I hope I can get it fixed tomorrow.
 
 Wayne
 
 
 
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