Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

[Apologies for replying to a long-dead thread] On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:54:42PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:20:39PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Don't know what one uses with an installed version of LyX. I always run it from the build dir and put

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 02:56:44PM +0100, Jules Bean wrote: Actually, X fonts are notoriously badly understood, especially by people from a mixed computer usage background (i.e. using also some windows or MacOS). I am fairly uncomfortable with xfontsel myself. I think LyX should at least

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

[Apologies for replying to a long-dead thread] On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:54:42PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:20:39PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > > Don't know what one uses with an installed version of LyX. I always > > > run it from the build dir and put

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 02:56:44PM +0100, Jules Bean wrote: > Actually, X fonts are notoriously badly understood, especially by > people from a mixed computer usage background (i.e. using also some > windows or MacOS). I am fairly uncomfortable with xfontsel myself. I > think LyX should at least

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 04:50:54PM +0100, John Levon wrote: On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 01:39:43PM +0200, Juergen Vigna wrote: The Qt frontend will of course use Qt's useful, handy, intuitive, font selection dialog. I _really_ doubt that Qt can set the font-path in the intuitive font

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

Dekel == Dekel Tsur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dekel Why we don't have a code for adding LYXLIB/xfonts to the Dekel fontpath ? Because it is difficult to do in all generality and it is probably something that should be done by the packager (different for debian, redhat, cygwin...) JMarc

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 04:50:54PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 01:39:43PM +0200, Juergen Vigna wrote: > > > >The Qt frontend will of course use Qt's useful, handy, intuitive, font > > >selection dialog. > > > > I _really_ doubt that Qt can set the font-path in the

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

> "Dekel" == Dekel Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dekel> Why we don't have a code for adding LYXLIB/xfonts to the Dekel> fontpath ? Because it is difficult to do in all generality and it is probably something that should be done by the packager (different for debian, redhat, cygwin...)

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 08:30:11PM +0100, John Levon wrote: Good. I'll find out how, now that I am told. Will the casual user find this out easily? I believe we should implement a delay before reflowing anyway. Then the next person will complain about sluggishness... Andre' -- Those

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 09:16:51PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: The default fonts on my system look like junk. Sorry, that's how it is. In particular, the math fonts plainly are awful (basically being sloppily rendered line drawings). This is _only_ for delimiters and accents. For ordinary

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 02:59:11PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote: I think it was just the ordering of the two texts and then comparing LyX to TeXmacs (ie. using TeXmacs as a reference) that gave the impression TeXmacs was an older if not more mature product. No big deal. Hm, I was actually a bit

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 09:16:51PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: The default fonts on my system look like junk. Sorry, that's how it is. In particular, the math fonts plainly are awful (basically being sloppily rendered line drawings). This is

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 09:16:51PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: The default fonts on my system look like junk. Sorry, that's how it is. In particular, the math fonts plainly are awful (basically being sloppily rendered line drawings). This is

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

David == David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Just for a try, I replaced times in the font selection scheme David with fixed. I now get a display with an array of wildly David inconsistent font sizes. Do you have 'use scalable fonts' unchecked? This is better if you want to have nice

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David == David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Just for a try, I replaced times in the font selection scheme David with fixed. I now get a display with an array of wildly David inconsistent font sizes. Do you have 'use scalable

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

David Kastrup wrote: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For ordinary characters like 'a', \mathbb{R}, \sum etc, either the X symbol font or suitable LaTeX fonts can be used. So saying math fonts are ... basically being sloppily rendered line drawings is a bit strong. LaTeX fonts?

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 11:32:41AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: For ordinary characters like 'a', \mathbb{R}, \sum etc, either the X symbol font or suitable LaTeX fonts can be used. So saying math fonts are ... basically being sloppily rendered line drawings is a bit strong. LaTeX

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

David == David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David == David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Just for a try, I replaced times in the font selection scheme David with fixed. I now get a display with an array of wildly David

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 11:34:38AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Just for a try, I replaced times in the font selection scheme with fixed. I now get a display with an array of wildly inconsistent font sizes. Maybe you don't have 'fixed' in the 'consistent' sizes for all shapes and your 'fixed'

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 11:32:41AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: For ordinary characters like 'a', \mathbb{R}, \sum etc, either the X symbol font or suitable LaTeX fonts can be used. So saying math fonts are ... basically being sloppily rendered

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 11:32:41AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: LyX trumpets user friendliness. There is no point in keeping people from having to learn a few mnemonic LaTeX commands, and then demand digging into the X font system only to arrive at a configuration that should either be the

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:20:39PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Don't know what one uses with an installed version of LyX. I always run it from the build dir and put /path/to/lyxbuild/lib/xfonts in the font path. Then perhaps the RPM for RedHat should take care to do something like that.

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:54:42PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: Maybe I am trying to appeal to different people than you think LyX tries. Fixing a font path is certainly not above the head of the user base _I_ know, even less when given instruction. Do I count ? I don't want to pissing around

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:13:07PM +0100, John Levon wrote: Maybe I am trying to appeal to different people than you think LyX tries. Fixing a font path is certainly not above the head of the user base _I_ know, even less when given instruction. Do I count ? Yes. Now that David is gone

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tuesday 13 August 2002 12:15 pm, Andre Poenitz wrote: Now that David is gone I can admit that :-) I was rather surprised by both your reactions to each others comments. The Qt frontend will of course use Qt's useful, handy, intuitive, font selection dialog. But doesn't use it yet? The

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

John Levon wrote: The Qt frontend will of course use Qt's useful, handy, intuitive, font selection dialog. I _really_ doubt that Qt can set the font-path in the intuitive font selection dialog. I think you mix stuff here, one is configuring your XServer and the FontPath to all the fonts you

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 11:50:29AM +0100, John Levon wrote: On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 11:32:41AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: LyX trumpets user friendliness. There is no point in keeping people from having to learn a few mnemonic LaTeX commands, and then demand digging into the X font

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:12:30PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: The Qt frontend will of course use Qt's useful, handy, intuitive, font selection dialog. But doesn't use it yet? The reason I ask is that, with Qt, I get horrible ugly bitmapped fonts that are about 10 times the size of

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 01:39:43PM +0200, Juergen Vigna wrote: The Qt frontend will of course use Qt's useful, handy, intuitive, font selection dialog. I _really_ doubt that Qt can set the font-path in the intuitive font selection dialog. I think you mix stuff here, one is configuring your

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 08:30:11PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > > Good. I'll find out how, now that I am told. Will the casual user > > find this out easily? > > I believe we should implement a delay before reflowing anyway. Then the next person will complain about "sluggishness"... Andre' --

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 09:16:51PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > The default fonts on my system look like junk. Sorry, that's how it > is. In particular, the math fonts plainly are awful (basically being > sloppily rendered line drawings). This is _only_ for delimiters and accents. For

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 02:59:11PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote: > I think it was just the ordering of the two texts and then comparing > LyX to TeXmacs (ie. using TeXmacs as a reference) that gave the > impression TeXmacs was an older if not more mature product. No big > deal. Hm, I was actually a

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 09:16:51PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > The default fonts on my system look like junk. Sorry, that's how it > > is. In particular, the math fonts plainly are awful (basically being > > sloppily rendered line drawings). > >

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 09:16:51PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > The default fonts on my system look like junk. Sorry, that's how it > > is. In particular, the math fonts plainly are awful (basically being > > sloppily rendered line drawings). > >

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

> "David" == David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: David> Just for a try, I replaced "times" in the font selection scheme David> with "fixed". I now get a display with an array of wildly David> inconsistent font sizes. Do you have 'use scalable fonts' unchecked? This is better if you

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > "David" == David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > David> Just for a try, I replaced "times" in the font selection scheme > David> with "fixed". I now get a display with an array of wildly > David> inconsistent font sizes. > > Do

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

David Kastrup wrote: > Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> For "ordinary characters" like 'a', \mathbb{R}, \sum etc, either the X >> symbol font or suitable LaTeX fonts can be used. So saying "math fonts >> are ... basically being sloppily rendered line drawings" is a bit >> strong. >

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 11:32:41AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > For "ordinary characters" like 'a', \mathbb{R}, \sum etc, either the X > > symbol font or suitable LaTeX fonts can be used. So saying "math fonts are > > ... basically being sloppily rendered line drawings" is a bit > > strong. >

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

> "David" == David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: David> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > "David" == David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> David> Just for a try, I replaced "times" in the font selection scheme David> with "fixed". I now get a display

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 11:34:38AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Just for a try, I replaced "times" in the font selection scheme with > "fixed". I now get a display with an array of wildly inconsistent > font sizes. Maybe you don't have 'fixed' in the 'consistent' sizes for all shapes and your

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 11:32:41AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > > For "ordinary characters" like 'a', \mathbb{R}, \sum etc, either the X > > > symbol font or suitable LaTeX fonts can be used. So saying "math fonts are > > > ... basically being

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 11:32:41AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > LyX trumpets user friendliness. There is no point in keeping people > from having to learn a few mnemonic LaTeX commands, and then demand > digging into the X font system only to arrive at a configuration that > should either be

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:20:39PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > Don't know what one uses with an installed version of LyX. I always > > run it from the build dir and put /path/to/lyxbuild/lib/xfonts in > > the font path. > > Then perhaps the RPM for RedHat should take care to do something

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:54:42PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > Maybe I am trying to appeal to different people than you think LyX tries. > Fixing a font path is certainly not above the head of "the user base _I_ > know", even less when given instruction. Do I count ? I don't want to pissing

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:13:07PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > > Maybe I am trying to appeal to different people than you think LyX tries. > > Fixing a font path is certainly not above the head of "the user base _I_ > > know", even less when given instruction. > > Do I count ? Yes. Now that

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tuesday 13 August 2002 12:15 pm, Andre Poenitz wrote: > Now that David is gone I can admit that :-) I was rather surprised by both your reactions to each others comments. > > The Qt frontend will of course use Qt's useful, handy, intuitive, font > > selection dialog. But doesn't use it yet?

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

John Levon wrote: > The Qt frontend will of course use Qt's useful, handy, intuitive, font > selection dialog. I _really_ doubt that Qt can set the font-path in the "intuitive font selection dialog". I think you mix stuff here, one is configuring your XServer and the FontPath to all the fonts

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 11:50:29AM +0100, John Levon wrote: > On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 11:32:41AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > > LyX trumpets user friendliness. There is no point in keeping people > > from having to learn a few mnemonic LaTeX commands, and then demand > > digging into the X

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:12:30PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: > > > The Qt frontend will of course use Qt's useful, handy, intuitive, font > > > selection dialog. > > But doesn't use it yet? The reason I ask is that, with Qt, I get horrible > ugly bitmapped fonts that are about 10 times the

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 01:39:43PM +0200, Juergen Vigna wrote: > >The Qt frontend will of course use Qt's useful, handy, intuitive, font > >selection dialog. > > I _really_ doubt that Qt can set the font-path in the "intuitive font > selection dialog". I think you mix stuff here, one is

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 07:12:35PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Available at URL:http://preview-latex.sourceforge.net/wysiwyg-draft.pdf. Now the deadline for the proceedings is already over, but this will certainly not be the last time I try to hand something in, and the talk itself is yet

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 07:12:35PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Comments? Glancing over it it looks ok. Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 08:38:14PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote: It must be noted that LyX screen display in particular in the math area does not seem to be optimized for readability. What does this mean ? That we draw paranthesis manually perhaps? But again, nothing will be fixed if nobody

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

Dekel Tsur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 07:12:35PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Available at URL:http://preview-latex.sourceforge.net/wysiwyg-draft.pdf. Now the deadline for the proceedings is already over, but this will certainly not be the last time I try to

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 07:12:35PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Comments? From my point of view, your comments on ERT are perhaps misleading. We want to provide useful visual feedback for commonly used LaTeX/TeX features - a really good example here would be short versions of \section for TOC

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 07:12:35PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Comments? another thing: I believe Angus has implemented preview mode for \input regards john -- It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims. - Aristotle

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 09:16:51PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: LyX has the same update-per-keystroke policy that, in connection with justification, leads to the concertina effect of shrinking and expanding lines during normal text insertion. LyX can be configured to show the text

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

John Levon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 07:12:35PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Comments? another thing: I believe Angus has implemented preview mode for \input Right. I'll try to keep that in mind during the talk. It provides a (somewhat artificial) way of

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

John Levon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 09:16:51PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: | |LyX has the same update-per-keystroke policy that, in connection | with justification, leads to the concertina effect of shrinking | and expanding lines during normal text

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 09:42:08PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: I kindo like the instant reflow... I'll bite: why ? john -- It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims. - Aristotle

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 09:16:51PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Dekel Tsur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It must be noted that LyX screen display in particular in the math area does not seem to be optimized for readability. What does this mean ? The default fonts on my system look

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

Dekel Tsur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 07:12:35PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Available at URL:http://preview-latex.sourceforge.net/wysiwyg-draft.pdf. Now the deadline for the proceedings is already over, but this will certainly not be the last time I try to

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

Figure 7 shows the editing experience for the various systems maths editors -- except it sems for preview-latex. I can't see a cursor in that screen shot. Shouldn't that show the actual editing experience with the raw latex maths? Actually, I'd rather you showed both the preview and the

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

Allan Rae [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Figure 7 shows the editing experience for the various systems maths editors -- except it sems for preview-latex. I can't see a cursor in that screen shot. Shouldn't that show the actual editing experience with the raw latex maths? Detail view is the

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On 13 Aug 2002, David Kastrup wrote: Allan Rae [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Actually, I'd rather you showed both the preview and the editing much as is shown for Whizzy-TeX (even though that would almost be repeating Figure 6). Yes, figure 6 is supposed to show the various states a

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 07:12:35PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > Available at > . Now > the deadline for the proceedings is already over, but this will > certainly not be the last time I try to hand something in, and the > talk

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 07:12:35PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Comments? Glancing over it it looks ok. Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 08:38:14PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote: > "It must be noted that LyX screen display in particular in the math area does > not seem to be optimized for readability." > > What does this mean ? That we draw paranthesis manually perhaps? But again, nothing will be fixed if

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

Dekel Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 07:12:35PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > > > Available at > > . Now > > the deadline for the proceedings is already over, but this will > > certainly not be the last

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 07:12:35PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Comments? >From my point of view, your comments on ERT are perhaps misleading. We want to provide useful visual feedback for commonly used LaTeX/TeX features - a really good example here would be short versions of \section for TOC

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 07:12:35PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > Comments? another thing: I believe Angus has implemented preview mode for \input regards john -- "It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims." - Aristotle

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 09:16:51PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > "LyX has the same update-per-keystroke policy that, in connection > > with justification, leads to the concertina effect of shrinking > > and expanding lines during normal text insertion." > > > > LyX can be configured to

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 07:12:35PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > > > > Comments? > > another thing: I believe Angus has implemented preview mode for \input Right. I'll try to keep that in mind during the talk. It provides a (somewhat artificial)

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 09:16:51PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: | | > > "LyX has the same update-per-keystroke policy that, in connection | > > with justification, leads to the concertina effect of shrinking | > > and expanding lines during normal

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 09:42:08PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > I kindo like the instant reflow... I'll bite: why ? john -- "It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims." - Aristotle

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 09:16:51PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Dekel Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > "It must be noted that LyX screen display in particular in the math > > area does not seem to be optimized for readability." > > > > What does this mean ? > > The default fonts on my

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

Dekel Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 07:12:35PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > > > Available at > > . Now > > the deadline for the proceedings is already over, but this will > > certainly not be the last

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

Figure 7 shows the editing experience for the various systems maths editors -- except it sems for preview-latex. I can't see a cursor in that screen shot. Shouldn't that show the actual editing experience with the raw latex maths? Actually, I'd rather you showed both the preview and the

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

Allan Rae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Figure 7 shows the editing experience for the various systems maths > editors -- except it sems for preview-latex. I can't see a cursor in > that screen shot. Shouldn't that show the actual editing experience > with the raw latex maths? "Detail view" is

Re: Draft paper about WYSIWYG/LaTeX for TUG2002

On 13 Aug 2002, David Kastrup wrote: > Allan Rae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > > Actually, I'd rather you showed both the preview and the editing > > much as is shown for Whizzy-TeX (even though that would almost be > > repeating Figure 6). > > Yes, figure 6 is supposed to show the various