Re: Mail Security Spec 2

2001-11-06 Thread Julien Pierre
Steve, Dr S N Henson wrote: Frederick Roeber wrote: I'm of the opinion that encryption and signing should be turned on by default Turning on signing by default might be dangerous, not everybody is comfortable with a Legally Binding Signature on every random note they send. (Plausible

Re: problem via STDIN cmsutil

2001-12-11 Thread Julien Pierre
Alex, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First time browsing this list so apologies if this has already been noted. Using nss-3.3 precompiled Linux binaries cmsutil did not produce verifiable signitures when the entity was piped in via STDIN. However, when using the -i switch the signiture

Re: How to debug my pkcs11 token dll in Netscape CMS

2001-12-18 Thread Julien Pierre
hooway wrote: We are making a PKCS11 token dll for CMS server. But we met some problems. and cause windows shut down. We want to debug our dll to find the reason. But how to do it under CMS server. It's always working as a NT Service. Is there any method to force it working not in Service

Re: SEC_ERROR_LIBRARY_FAILURE too vague of an error message

2002-02-12 Thread Julien Pierre
Robert, Robert Wagner wrote: I have a working client/server application that is using NSS 3_3_1_RTM. One check my application does is verify if the password supplied is correct. After I initialize and configure all of NSS, my application calls PK11_CheckUserPassword. When you call

Re: crlutil help

2002-03-06 Thread Julien Pierre
Bonny, bonny joy wrote: hi all I am working on mozilla's nss code. I have some trouble on using crlutil.eventhough i am using a crlv2 it is giving an error message invalid format .Is this the error with the crlutil or the decoding code in the implementation. A few things to

Re: Cleaning up an NSS build

2002-03-08 Thread Julien Pierre
Patrick, Patrick wrote: Hello, What command to execute to clean up *all* of an NSS build? I built NSS on one platform (HPUX11) and now want to use the same dir structure (/mozilla) to build NSS on another platform (SunOS5.8) However it seems the 2nd build did not create the expected

Re: NSS build on Solaris

2002-04-01 Thread Julien Pierre
Amlan Haldar wrote: Has anyone built NSS on SunOS 5.8 with Forte C++ with update 2 ? I am having problems. Amlan. I build it regularly on SunOS 5.8 with Force C++ update 1 . Did you ever build with update 1 successfully in the past ? It would help if you would specify what problems you

Re: nss building on WIN2k

2002-04-16 Thread Julien Pierre
Hi, bonny joy wrote: hello I have a question on NSS building on WIN2k can i buils NSS 3.2.1 on win2k i tried but the following error is coming Microsoft (R) Segmented Executable Linker Version 5.60.339 Dec 5

Re: Verisign CA Certs missing from Mozilla 1.0 RC1?

2002-04-30 Thread Julien Pierre
Christian, Christian Schulte wrote: Robert Relyea wrote: My guess is the certificate in question is a secondary CA signed by a primary. The problem is that gtoc.iss.net is probably misconfigured. It should send the secondary certificate with it's server certificate. Their

Re: PKCS12 decode validate bags failed

2002-05-15 Thread Julien Pierre
Zeke, Zeke wrote: Hi. I have a one simple (?) problem. ;) When I try to export certificate to my smart card, like: pk12util.exe -d .\ -i good.p12 -h GemSAFE Smart Card I see error message: How many certificates and keys does your P12 file contain ? And of what type (signing, encrypting,

Re: LDAP SSL session reuse/resume

2002-05-23 Thread Julien Pierre
Stuart, Stuart Davidson wrote: I maybe 2 + 2 = 5... but I have the following questions: Do you have any log from your LDAP server showing whether it received the client certificates and accepted them, or if they were rejected ? As Nelson pointed out, the prior traces showed that the failure

Re: Selecting which cert to sign with doesn't work

2002-05-29 Thread Julien Pierre
Chris, Chris wrote: I'm working with my smartcard PKCS #11 module and I have 2 certificates available that can be used for signing messages. Both certs are tied to the same e-mail address and have the same subject. How do the certs exactly differ ? By issuer, date, or other ? This may be

Re: Verisign CA Certs missing from Mozilla 1.0 RC1?

2002-05-29 Thread Julien Pierre
Daniel, Daniel Kluge wrote: IE stores not only the root certificates, but also all intermediate certificates, hence it is successful in putting together the certificate chain. IE is only successful in putting together the full cert chain if it already has a copy of the intermediate CA cert

Re: Selecting which cert to sign with doesn't work

2002-05-30 Thread Julien Pierre
Chris, Chris wrote: When I actually sign the e-mail message is when it picks the wrong cert. It appears to use the first certificate that can be used for signing e-mail versus actually using the one I told it to use. If I reverse the order that C_FindObjects returns the certificates,

Re: Selecting which cert to sign with doesn't work

2002-05-31 Thread Julien Pierre
Chris, Chris wrote: When Mozilla initially starts it does a C_FindObjects (with a max count of 16 or so) for all certificates on the token. I return both certificates at this point because the only search attribute is CKA_CLASS == CKO_CERTIFICATE, no other search attributes are present

Re: Someone from Thawte .... help please ?

2002-06-03 Thread Julien Pierre
Michael, Michael Ströder wrote: Ben Bucksch wrote: Julien Pierre wrote: the private key could have been sent to the CA if it required key escrow during enrollment, Eh, but the software (i.e. Mozilla) will clearly and obviously tell me about it in any and all cases, won't

Re: Selecting which cert to sign with doesn't work

2002-06-04 Thread Julien Pierre
Chris, Chris wrote: Sure, I can take a look when I get a chance. If you have some pointers of where to look first that might be helpful. I don't know when I'll get around to doing this though. I'm currently using Mozilla RC3 on Debian Linux and Win32. Debian version is the Debian

Re: Digitally sign news message

2002-08-01 Thread Julien Pierre
Wan-Teh, Wan-Teh Chang wrote: yz wrote: Hi, I have installed a certificate and I can digitally sign my email. Is it possible in Mozilla to digitally sign messages I send to newsgroups (like in OE6)? There is a request for this feature

Re: FW: Where in a NSPR socket object is the actual file descriptor(fd)?

2002-08-09 Thread Julien Pierre
layered socket or a plain NSPR socket? In other words, Julien Pierre said at one point (this discussion originally started in the mozilla.nspr newsgroup): If it's an NSS socket doing SSL, the fact that there is data on it doesn't necessarily mean that it's application data. You should only

Re: Why doesn't SSL SMTP 465 port work with Netscape Messenger?

2002-09-24 Thread Julien Pierre
Michel, Michel Dupagne wrote: Hi! I would like to know why SSL SMTP 465 does not work with Netscape Messenger, at least 4.8 and 7.0. 465 works fine with Outlook Express 4, 5, and 6. I hope you realize that saying SSL SMTP does not work is not nearly enough information to diagnose your

Re: about NSS

2002-09-24 Thread Julien Pierre
pingzhenyu wrote: How can I buill Nss with VC++,and how can I debug it with VC++ By following the build instructions at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/pki/nss/buildnss_33.html .

Re: Better certificate error messages, button for on-demand OCSPvalidation?

2002-10-14 Thread Julien Pierre
Hi, fecund wrote: Using Mozilla 1.2 alpha, and having trouble accessing many sites when OCSP validation is turned on. The typical error is: Error trying to validate certificate from secure3.ingdirect.com using OCSP - response contains a date which is in the future. What I'd like to see

Re: SSL Implemenation from NSS

2002-10-14 Thread Julien Pierre
Nimesh Ray wrote: Hello, Can the SSL libraries provided by NSS work on other commercial embedded OSes other than Windows and Unix? Does anyone know if this is done, and if any issues were found related to this? It can be done, but your embedded device will need lots of RAM to run NSS.

Re: create certificate problem

2002-10-17 Thread Julien Pierre
POC wrote: Would it be possible to have the following 2 functions added to the next version of the NSS public API: CERT_CreateCertificate; CERT_CreateValidity; Ian McGreer indicates that the 1st function will make it in NSS 3.5. What about the 2nd one? It too would be most useful in creating a

Re: CRL parsing, in C

2002-10-29 Thread Julien Pierre
Patrick, POC wrote: Does mozilla have a API I could use to parse through a CRL? I'm currently using Sun's CertificateFactory and calling the generateCRL() method but I find it very slow when dealing with large CRLs 1 MB...Moreover if I build a list of such CRL objects, my JVM runs out of

Re: CRL parsing, in C

2002-10-30 Thread Julien Pierre
cache, the CRL was pulled from the tokens, decoded, and freed, for every certificate verification. Needless to say, the performance with that method was not impressive and this is why the CRL cache was added. -- POC -Original Message- From: Julien Pierre [mailto:jpierre

Re: About CRL Utility (crlutil)

2002-11-01 Thread Julien Pierre
Patrick, POC wrote: About that -u option: does NSS use the URL at all? (like automatically fetching a fresh CRL once the CRL expires), or is it just simply stored in the cert db for the crlutil user to retrieve at a later date (using cerlutil -L)? I don't think NSS uses it other than

Re: openssl key/cert - NS key/cert db

2002-12-13 Thread Julien Pierre
liug wrote: 4) now try to import it (I already have key3.db and cert7.db created). pk12util -i test2.p12 -d . it gives: pk12util: PKCS12 decode validate bags failed: The user pressed cancel. any ideas? thanks! frank Did you specify a password on your p12 file when you created it ?

Re: openssl key/cert - NS key/cert db

2002-12-16 Thread Julien Pierre
liug wrote: Nelson B. Bolyard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: liug wrote: How can I use the NSS tools to convert a openssl generated key pem file to netscape key3.db ? I believe there is some OpenSSL program that will create a .p12 file (a.k.a PFX file) from your key/cert. Mozilla can import

Re: openssl key/cert - NS key/cert db

2002-12-18 Thread Julien Pierre
Nelson B. Bolyard wrote: .p12 files contain the nickname for the certs. When mozilla imports a cert from a .p12 file, it uses the nickname found in the .p12 file. If I'm not mistaken, iPlanet web server requires that the server's cert have a particular nickname. It's possible that this was a

Re: How do I set the default Certificate?

2003-01-03 Thread Julien Pierre
Tom, tom glaab wrote: All my certs are current and issued by the same CA. The subject is different, though not by much (basically a firstname.lastname.serial). The reason I have multiple certs from the same CA is political, and the older, primary cert has more functionality but I have to keep

Re: How do I set the default Certificate?

2003-01-06 Thread Julien Pierre
Hi, tom glaab wrote: Julien Pierre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote In truth, most people do not have more than one valid cert per issuer with a different subject, much less more than one valid cert for more than one issuer. I'm in the minority then, and it is annoying. I've had a corporate cert

Re: Aladdin eToken and Mozilla

2003-01-17 Thread Julien Pierre
Hi, Remo Inverardi wrote: Caption: Alert, Message: localhost has received an incorrect or unexpected message. Error Code: -12227 This means SEC_ERROR_REVOKED_KEY . Are you using any means of certificate or key revocation ? Eg. OCSP, CRLs, or CKLs ? Is PKCS#11 support in Mozilla actually

Re: Using Softoken as standalone pkcs#11 module?

2003-01-24 Thread Julien Pierre
Christoph Brueckner wrote: hi, NSS is using the softoken as internal pkcs#11 module. Is it possible to turn the softoken into a real standalone pkcs#11 module, which can be used by other applications beside Netscape/Mozilla? What is this cryptoki framework (ckfw) all about? Is it possible to

Re: Include corporate CA certs in Mozilla distribution

2003-01-29 Thread Julien Pierre
Ray, Ray Charbonneau wrote: We run our own Netscape CA, and have included the appropriate certs in our Netscape 4.7x installation package. These certificates appear in the Mozilla Certificate Manager when I upgrade a profile from Netscape to Mozilla. How can I include these certs in new

Re: crypto toolkit

2003-02-10 Thread Julien Pierre
boutteau wrote: I am loocking for a tool kit to do file signature: 1) select a file 2) select a certificate 3) sign the selected file with the certificate 4) create .zip with 2 files : - selected_file.ext - selected_file.ext.sig Second tool is to verify than a

Re: Certificate Selection

2003-03-06 Thread Julien Pierre
Henrik, Henrik Gemal wrote: How does Mozilla select certificates to show to a webserver when the server asks for a certificate? The web server firstsends Mozilla a list of valid CA certificates from which it will accept client cert. Mozilla then looks through the available client certs. The

Re: Certificate Selection

2003-03-06 Thread Julien Pierre
Stephen Henson wrote: Although a server sending an empty list is strictly speaking illegal in SSL/TLS some implementations will tolerate it and interpret it as any CA. No idea if Mozilla does though... NSS enforces the SSL/TLS specs and will not tolerate an empty CA cert list from the

Re: CERT_DecodeDERCrl

2003-03-26 Thread Julien Pierre
POC wrote: Hello, I have a NSS server app that decodes CRLs all day long (a poor man's OCSP responder). However this app has a memory leak. I'm using the CERT_DecodeDERCrl() function. This function returns a pointer to a CERTSignedCrl object (call it signedCRL). What is the right way to release

Re: CERT_DestroyCertificate

2003-03-26 Thread Julien Pierre
Patrick, POC wrote: Hello, I create a CERTCertificate object using CERT_FindCertByName() and then destroy it using CERT_DestroyCertificate(). However the cert.h file states this about the function: ** NOTE: certificate's are reference counted. This call decrements the ** reference count, and if

Re: crypto.signText() and Form-Signing

2003-03-25 Thread Julien Pierre
Luis Fernando Pardo wrote: Are you sure Netscape 6.2 is implemented over Mozilla 1.3b?. In www.mozilla.org I have read that Netscape 7.02 is based on mozilla 1.0.2. If it is true, my component will not work with netscape. Netscape 7.02 is based on Mozilla 1.0.2 . Netscape 6.2 is based on some

Re: NSS Apache Module

2003-07-29 Thread Julien Pierre
Shawn, Shawn Carnell wrote: Has anyone else tried to build an apache module that uses NSS? I have. It's not going so well. For what purpose are you trying to use NSS ? Are you trying to implement the SSL front-end of Apache with NSS (ie. an alternative to the old mod_ssl) ? And what version of

Re: IIS with client certificate incompatible with Mozilla ?

2003-08-28 Thread Julien Pierre
Richie, Richie B. wrote: I have a customer who is running IIS 5.0. We need to contact a page on that server that is protected with SSL and requires client certificates. I have imported the client certificate in Mozilla 1.4 on Linux. When I access the page, the server responds: HTTP 403.7 -

Re: cert8.db and CRLs

2003-08-28 Thread Julien Pierre
Patrick, POC wrote: I have to large CRLs, one is ~2.3MB the other ~2.7MB that I have successfully imported in my cert8.db. I actually see the 2 files created in cert8.dir. Check that crlutil -d . -L can decode and list the CRLs properly. However now my NSS server app core dumps... Without the

Re: Firebird/Thunderbird and PKCS#11

2003-08-26 Thread Julien Pierre
Jean-Marc, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: Julien Pierre wrote: [NSS DB access not multi-process safe] Solving this problem involves using a new database format. The NSS team researched the issue of licensing other database code that didn't suffer from the single-process limitation, but none

Re: Update stored passwords

2003-09-23 Thread Julien Pierre
Robert, Robert wrote: Hi! I'm currently developing a password manager application for the Windows platform which monitors the Mozilla password file (12345678.s) and stores the password entries on a smart card. Ideally, the passwords should be written to Mozilla's password file when the card is

Re: NSS PKCS#11 Module

2003-09-24 Thread Julien Pierre
LiuPeng, liupeng wrote: Thanks for Julien Pierre answer! I want to do a low-level RSA encrypt for my proprietary application and I use smart card (gd spk) as my hardware device(Both the public key and the private key stored in smartcard). Firstable, to do an RSA encrypt using a public key, you

Re: Can't get a simple SSL server to work using NSS

2003-09-30 Thread Julien Pierre
Julien Pierre wrote: Khaled Hassounah wrote: Try adding a call to NSS_SetDomesticPolicy() . This will enable all the domestic ciphers. Setting followup to netscape.public.mozilla.crypto . ___ mozilla-crypto mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: Why a SSL server can't get certificate of client?

2003-10-10 Thread Julien Pierre
Hi, yangbingyu wrote: I'm trying to use a SSL server with NSS,but I get a error that is -12199(No certificate authority is trusted for SSL client authentication), The error is quite explicit. In the server database, you need to add the CA certificates that you trust for client authentication,

Re: CRL Management

2003-10-23 Thread Julien Pierre
Scott, Scott Rea wrote: OK, we require them, how do we get them added to the list of future fuctionality and what is the usual timeframe for something like this to make it from design to release? The first step to get this into Mozilla would be to file a bug in bugzilla, of type enhancement

Re: 128 bit encryption in FRANCE

2003-10-28 Thread Julien Pierre
Adrian M wrote: Hi... Does someone know if they allow now 128 bit encryption in France ? ( it used to be that only 56 bit encryption can be used in France ). Is mozilla.org concerned about this ( maybe offering a special browser that uses only 56 bit encryption or something like that ). Thanks.

Re: LDAP CRLs

2003-10-28 Thread Julien Pierre
Scott, Scott Rea wrote: This is exactly my issue - thanks for putting it so succinctly Nelson!! You should be able to import the CRL into Mozilla using an LDAP URL, such as ldap://strange:1389/uid=ca,dc=netscape,dc=com?certificaterevocationlist;binary . Of course the URL must match your

Re: LDAP CRLs

2003-10-29 Thread Julien Pierre
Scott, Scott Rea wrote: I am doing this on a Windows 2000 box and an LDAP URL opens the Windows Address Book [not very helpful] whether I enter the URL in IE or Mozilla. How can I get Mozilla to do the same as it does for *.crl files that are entered into the address bar? Woops. Looks like

Re: signtool 1.3

2003-10-30 Thread Julien Pierre
Nicholas Wright wrote: Yes - but signtool doesn't recognize cert8.db. How do you sign things now? If you get a full distribution of NSS 3.8, or build it yourself, the signtool will work with cert8.db . ___ mozilla-crypto mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Missing nss libraries in Darwin tarball

2003-10-31 Thread Julien Pierre
Keith wrote: Hi, I am attempting to build an application that requires the NSS libraries. When I downloaded the current tarball (version 3.8) for Darwin (OS X), the lib directory is empty. This is not the case in tarballs for other OSes. Hmm, indeed, that's quite odd. We will look into this.

Re: Certificate Chains, PKCS12 and Mozilla

2003-11-04 Thread Julien Pierre
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a PKI with 3 levels: 1. A root self-signed certificate at the first level 2. Sub certification authorities certified by the first one at second level 3. User certificates certified by second level authorities at third level. That is a fairly typical PKI. All

Re: NSS ignoring next update on CRL check

2003-11-04 Thread Julien Pierre
Jean-Marc, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: All in one, I don't think it's a good pratice at all not to include this verification inside the crl check function. There is no client that should have a need to continue to trust an outdated crl. It's standard practice that if the only available crl is

Re: PSM and crl distribution point

2003-11-04 Thread Julien Pierre
Jean-Marc, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: Is there a way to get PSM to make any use of the crl distribution point (crldp) extension ? How is it handled within NSS ? (I could check the source/doc. I will if nobody feels inclined to respond) Or you could type distribution point in bugzilla query

Re: NSS ignoring next update on CRL check

2003-11-05 Thread Julien Pierre
Jean-Marc, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: In many situations, eg. if your client (or even server) is in a submarine, with no available connection to the outside world to download a newer CRL, it may be acceptable to use the latest CRL available, even if the nextUpdate has passed, than to fail

Re: PSM and crl distribution point

2003-11-05 Thread Julien Pierre
Jean-Marc, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: This is not currently supported in NSS. See bugzilla 133191 . At this time, the only CRL format supported by NSS is full CRLs. Sorry Julien, there's a confusion here. The one I was talking about is the certificate extension, which is named CRL

Re: How to build nss release version

2003-12-01 Thread Julien Pierre
LiuPeng wrote: Does anyone know how to build nss release version in solaris,I use 'make nss_build_all' to build debug version,how to build release version? Just set BUILD_OPT=1 in your environment, then make nss_build_all . ___ mozilla-crypto mailing

Re: Getting the modulus length for sign vs. decrypt in NSS key generation consistency check

2003-12-08 Thread Julien Pierre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't mind some fame and glory, if I find the time I'll go for it... actually I am building a so called .NET P/Invoke Layer for NSS to give it to the Mono project. I have much mor side work to do just to get a decent number of NSS-compatible PKCS#11 modules and I

Re: CERT advisory CA-2003-26: Vulnerability in SSL

2004-01-26 Thread Julien Pierre
Nelson, Nelson B wrote: 3. If I'm not mistaken, NSS 3.9 *should* be a drop in replacement for NSS 3.7 and later, so it should be possible to simply install the NSS 3.9 shared libraries over the older ones in existing products. No need to wait for a new product release to use the new NSS. (Be

Re: CERT advisory CA-2003-26: Vulnerability in SSL

2004-01-27 Thread Julien Pierre
POC wrote: Julien, Could you refresh my memory about FIPS mode? How do you turn it on in NSS (what API call) and if not on, what does that entail for an NSS app? FIPS mode is a higher security mode of operation. You will get a lot more token password prompts, and private keys cannot travel

Re: Getting a cert7.db format file from modern tools? What format for importing root CA into Netscape 7?

2004-02-02 Thread Julien Pierre
Mark, Mark Thacker wrote: So, two questions please : * Is it possible to convert a cert8.db into a cert7.db , or at least extract what I need out of it? No program exists to do that, only in the other direction. * What version of NSS (and NSPR) is needed to generate cert7.db formatted

Re: C_Initialize fails with segmentation fault

2004-02-03 Thread Julien Pierre
moonwulf wrote: Hello, I have a problem using the pkcs11 library. I am working under linux, and using gcc. I load the libcryptoki.so dynamically. Who makes that libcryptoki.so ? Is that a known good PKCS#11 library ? Please try it with an existing PKCS#11 application, such as Mozilla or the NSS

Re: On dividing CA selection effort between pre and post release

2004-02-09 Thread Julien Pierre
Jean-Marc, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: Nelson B wrote: Duane wrote (quoting me): I was under the impression, that mozilla (the browser) was like MS IE in that it automatically checked based on CRL urls in certificates... Once a mozilla user primes the pump by loading the first CRL, then

Re: On turning CRL and OCSP checking on by default.

2004-02-09 Thread Julien Pierre
Alex, Deacon, Alex wrote: 1) Although the option to perform cert validation (either via OCSP or CRL) should be a user configurable option, I believe that the application should ship with this option turned ON by default. It would be nice, but I wonder how many users would complain about all

Re: On turning CRL and OCSP checking on by default.

2004-02-10 Thread Julien Pierre
Hi, Deacon, Alex wrote: VeriSign has spent a lot of time and effort recently ensuring that not only do our OCSP services work, but that they will continue to work as the load increases. Clearly there is no excuse for any CA, especially VeriSign, to have a faulty OCSP implementation...especially

Re: Proposed MF certificate policy and FAQ

2004-02-11 Thread Julien Pierre
Frank, I think you have just opened a big can of worms with this Certificate policy. - It should be called a Mozilla Certificate authority policy, not Certificate policy. I don't think there is any plan to include any non-CA certificates. - I think the term default certificate database is

Re: Proposed MF certificate policy and FAQ

2004-02-11 Thread Julien Pierre
Frank Hecker wrote: Julien Pierre wrote: - It should be called a Mozilla Certificate authority policy, not Certificate policy. I don't think there is any plan to include any non-CA certificates. I originally called it the Mozilla CA Certificate Policy, but changed it just to have a shorter

Re: dbck

2004-02-12 Thread Julien Pierre
This tool has not worked in years, since the cert/key databases got moved to the softoken PKCS#11 module . It would be quite difficult to get it to work again. We still keep the source in the tree, but it is not buildable as you found out. Ariadne wrote: Hi, Has anyone gotten dbck to compile,

Re: Proposed MF certificate policy and FAQ

2004-02-13 Thread Julien Pierre
Ian, Ian Grigg wrote: While you were worried about some mythical man in the middle sneaking in and stealing your password for no good purpose (the bank/fund would be covered against that in general), you were probably being robbed blind by your mutual fund. Those banking/fund protections may

Re: On turning CRL and OCSP checking on by default.

2004-02-13 Thread Julien Pierre
Jean-Marc, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: So if you do CRL checking at all, there are good reasons to report this check as failed if you only have access to a CRL whose nextUpdate is in the past. Except of course if you have an date argument in the check that says Check validity for *this* date

Re: Proposed MF certificate policy and FAQ

2004-02-13 Thread Julien Pierre
David Ross wrote: Duane wrote: We are talking about MONEY and PRIVACY. How much risk are you willing to take with these? So I take it you remove a lot of certificates from your copy of Mozilla then? I have disabled all CA certificates on my PC except those of the three CAs vetted by the

Re: Proposed MF certificate policy and FAQ

2004-02-16 Thread Julien Pierre
Duane, Duane wrote: Those banking/fund protections may apply in some cases in the USA, but they certainly don't always in other countries. If someone steals your credit card number in France, you may still be liable. So SSL security plays a much more important role than you think. I know this

Re: Proposed MF certificate policy and FAQ

2004-02-16 Thread Julien Pierre
Ian, Ian Grigg wrote: So SSL security plays a much more important role than you think. I know this from experience. You have experience of someone stealing your credit card over a connection? That's something I'd like to hear about. It would be very useful to apply some statistics to the

Re: bad certificate database

2004-02-16 Thread Julien Pierre
Jean-Marc, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: Wan-Teh Chang wrote: If you would like to see this fix in NSS 3.9.1, please add a comment in Bug 53133 and we can work with John Myers to get his fix into the right NSS cvs branch. I did that, and I could also verify it as fixed in the Mozilla trunk.

Re: On turning CRL and OCSP checking on by default.

2004-02-16 Thread Julien Pierre
Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: Currently the defined maximum for NSS is *infinite*. If there's any crl available for checking, however old, the check will *never* return crl outdated. This is not configurable. This in my opinion makes the CRL checking in NSS ineffective. When the NSS chech says

Re: Proposed CA certificate metapolicy - 7. threat models

2004-02-18 Thread Julien Pierre
Ian Grigg wrote: Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: I didn't say exactly that. I reported I heard the level of protection is lower in America, but I don't have the exact description of the difference, I might even be proven wrong. Or it might be different depending on the state. I also was

Re: Proposal : Installable trusted CA list

2004-02-18 Thread Julien Pierre
Roger, rhkelly wrote: So this proposal would be that Mozilla would get away of imposing to all users a single built-in trusted CA, but instead distribute several trusted CA list, with a description of the origin of each list, how it is created, and let the users decide what is best for them.

Re: On turning CRL and OCSP checking on by default.

2004-02-18 Thread Julien Pierre
Jean-Marc, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: Julien Pierre wrote: First, let me point out that the RFC only recommends an algorithm to verify certificates and signatures on the current date, but not at dates in the past. I don't want to strech the whole discussion any longer, but if you

Re: Proposed MF certificate policy and FAQ

2004-02-18 Thread Julien Pierre
Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: You mean a bank *operating* in France, Julien ? If that's so, that's a disgusting thing to do. You can call any consumers' association and denounce that. If your bank really did that, they lied and cheated you. Yes they did ... The french law is very clear. You can

Re: Proposed MF certificate policy and FAQ

2004-02-18 Thread Julien Pierre
Ian Grigg wrote: I also know someone in the US who lost her credit card number over a connection. She did a non-SSL transactions (with a business that didn't have a cert) on a university network. I'd be interested in establishing that - this is the first time I've ever heard anyone claim

Re: Proposed MF certificate policy and FAQ

2004-02-18 Thread Julien Pierre
Ian, Ian Grigg wrote: The point in auditing the CAs is that it's better than not auditing the CAs at all. It's not an absolute. There is no point in auditing the CAs if it achieves little or nothing, in terms of security, and costs money. True, but I lost you after the if. I think the

Re: PKCS#11 - Transient Certificates/Keys

2004-02-18 Thread Julien Pierre
Jon Maber wrote: The question is this: is it possible for the server that issues/stores user certificates to instruct the PKCS#11 Module not to store the private key (or certificate) in any kind of persistent store? There are two scenarios where we might want to apply this, 1) when the

Re: Proposed MF certificate policy and FAQ

2004-02-18 Thread Julien Pierre
Duane wrote: Julien Pierre wrote: I don't need to tell you how vulnerable that is to snooping by all the ISPs and relays, or any thief in between. I don't have any stats on it, but I bet it's a significant cause of fraud. I rate this about the same as companies that get credit card

Re: Proposed MF certificate policy and FAQ

2004-02-18 Thread Julien Pierre
Duane wrote: Julien Pierre wrote: Only if you are encrypting to the correct party, and not to a thief. This is why we have CAs and trust. Ian made a point of this about a Gold company using a self signed certificate and not having a problem. At this current point in time if I were a thief

Re: Possible way to increase Security

2004-02-19 Thread Julien Pierre
Duane, The idea is good, but as you point out, protocols such as LDAP already exist to do this. What's missing is a global (worldwide) directory that's independent of a particular corporation of government. The key problem is that no one entity would have the resources to host such a server.

Re: Proposed CA certificate metapolicy - 7. threat models

2004-02-19 Thread Julien Pierre
Hi, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: Julien Pierre wrote: [...] My experience is that's more protection than is afforded to credit cards in France. In particular, the quality of goods provision means that most US merchants have flexible return policies. I have tried returning stuff I bought

Re: On turning CRL and OCSP checking on by default.

2004-02-19 Thread Julien Pierre
Jean-Marc, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: Julien Pierre wrote: You can however implement what you want without NSS changes, by wrapping the NSS certificate verification function. By effectively reimplementing a certificate chain build algorithm. Extending it is more like it, since you reuse

Re: Proposed MF certificate policy and FAQ

2004-02-19 Thread Julien Pierre
Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: Julien Pierre wrote: [...] I guess I am the only one in the world who has that option turned on, the dialog does come up for every one of my google search and other posts. And I know to watch for it when I submit sensitive data. It has come up on a few occasions

Re: Invalid certificate alert

2004-02-24 Thread Julien Pierre
Henrik, I thought the message made it quite clear that it is a problem with the server. There could be a lot of reasons for this, but the main one is somebody is trying to play CA and does not know the rules of PKI. They may have issued multiple server certs with the same serial number, or

Re: Invalid certificate alert

2004-02-25 Thread Julien Pierre
Henrik, Henrik Gemal wrote: Thanx for the into Pierre. First name is Julien actually... 2 Could you help determine the cause of this alert to I can report it to the server admins. I narrowed it down to these URL. To reproduces first go to: https://i.tdconline.dk/tdco/gfx/local/sso/knap_q.gif

Re: Proposed CA certificate metapolicy - 7. threat models

2004-02-25 Thread Julien Pierre
Gervase, Gervase Markham wrote: Frank Hecker wrote: There's still the trademark issue, but I don't see why this couldn't be handled consistently with other localization-specific changes. For example, if the Mozilla Foundation allows the creators of the France-localized version to include,

Re: Invalid certificate alert

2004-02-25 Thread Julien Pierre
Jean-Marc, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: But the fingerprint of the two certificates do not match anymore, so NSS reports them as two different certs with the same serial number. Maybe for *that* particular case, NSS should use a fingerprint based on the signed part of the cert. It is annoying

Re: Invalid certificate alert

2004-02-26 Thread Julien Pierre
Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: I didn't require that :-) I believe this also means you use the same alg as Microsoft CAPI which makes things simpler for everybody. And the specification for that algorithm would be where ? The signed part of them should. The unsigned part is not required to. Can

Re: It is OK now, BUT another part failed.

2004-03-03 Thread Julien Pierre
Benjamin, Make sure to use gmake 3.79 or later on windows platforms. ___ mozilla-crypto mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozilla-crypto

Re: Missing function dbopen in nss3.dll

2004-03-10 Thread Julien Pierre
Pradnyesh Rane wrote: Am I missing something while building NSS? Was dbopen function dropped/added in between versions? In NSS 3.4 and later, the database code was separated in a PKCS#11 library called libsoftokn3.so . Also, I don't believe the dbopen symbol is exported from it . I'm not sure

Re: Where to find bare-bone DSA-like authenticated signatures gneration/verification code?

2004-03-11 Thread Julien Pierre
Ian Grigg wrote: It seems to be that every new product there is faced with four choices: 1. do no security; 2. do a quick and nasty home built hack of a protocol; 3. create a good, aligned, secure, precise and appropriate crypto protocol; 4. use a standard tool that is already

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