Tom Rittenhouse wrote:
Lesson learned: Never low bid. If you have to low bid to get the job,
the hassles you are going to have with your customer makes you better
off if you didn't get that job in the first place.
and Aaron said:
Has anyone else noticed that the clientele seem to get
Yep! Rule one for business, any business, if you are cheap you get cheap
customers.
For years I tried to be a photographer that people could afford. No
matter how cheap I priced myself, my customers said I was too expensive
and were never satisfied with my work.
Then I came into one of those
In a message dated 12/5/01 11:45:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Yup, and my Kiosk made over 100,000 dollars profit for the company that
you are so proudly a shareholder of. Something to think about when you
denigrate the work of others, is they are paying dividends
In a message dated 12/5/01 11:49:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
But you were complaining that Joe sixpack can't get his digital
processed cheaply... Now I think you're just being argumentative.
I've since learned that Joe can take his dinky digitals to Walmart.
In a message dated 12/6/01 1:07:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, aimcompute wrote:
I think Mafud does have a point here. There's a difference between
taking your digital camera into a department store and getting their
run-of-the-mill prints
My house is paid for, I have food on the table, my dogs love me
and I get laid on a regular basis.
I have no complaints.
William Robb
That's exactly what I've been aspiring to for years! Can I come and
visit?
8-]
Cotty
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On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 11:36 PM, Chris Brogden wrote:
You still haven't answered the question, Mafud. Since several of us
have
already mentioned a variety of labs--both pro and non-pro--that charge
the
same for digital and chemical prints, I'm curious as to which lab has
On Thursday, December 6, 2001, at 12:48 AM, aimcompute wrote:
I think Mafud does have a point here. There's a difference between
taking
your digital camera into a department store and getting their
run-of-the-mill prints back, and taking it to a pro-lab. Same with
film.
I haven't
On Thursday, December 6, 2001, at 01:13 AM, William Robb wrote:
In the work place, one of the things one needs
to realize is the limitations placed on him or her by his
employer. Wal~Mart is not interested in being a pro lab, the
same way they are not interested in selling Armani suits.
We
The piece of work in question was an estimate on restoration, which, by
the way, was a mere $40 including the print, the lowest price we ever
quote for restoration. The customer agreed to the price in the end, and
then groused about it again when it came time to pick up the work. I
asked
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In a message dated 12/4/01 10:42:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I agree 1000
In a message dated 12/6/01 8:48:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Mafud has, however, six times now evaded the question of pricing at his
lab of choice (though he took great pains to explain how expensive they
are). We can only be forced to assume that he was making it
In a message dated 12/6/01 9:20:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
. Or those that examine their 3 day
prints, which cost a measly $4.00 for processing and printing, even 36 exp
rolls, and want a credit for those which they don't like.
Bill, KG4LOV
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In a message dated 12/6/01 8:48:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Mafud has, however, six times now evaded the question of pricing at his
lab of choice (though he took great pains to explain how expensive they
are). We can only be forced to
In a message dated 12/6/01 12:49:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
So, I assume that you know that all journalists accept that it is there
responsibility to back up claims of fact that they make.
Regards,
Bob...
The questions were disingenuous Bob, meant to
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Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
The piece of work in question was an estimate on restoration, which, by
the way, was a mere $40 including the print, the lowest price we ever
quote for restoration. The customer agreed to the price
Hmmm, my isp doesn't seem to want to cooperate with message rule
8.
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Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
And right about here you're gong to tell me how you and ~your~
Walmart lab
~do~ have the facilities
The Noritsu 2102 printers that I use read the discrete DX code
off the film edge and sets the film channel accordingly. The
film is then scanned by a high density CCD camera and the
negatives are projected onto a monitor. Colour and density
correction is then manually applied to each and
On Thursday, December 6, 2001, at 09:18 AM, Bill Owens wrote:
I know the feeling well. Like the customer I recently had who, on
examining
her next day prints, culled three or four perfectly good (well,
average
minilab prints) and stated she didn't know why she took them and didn't
Mafud,
I don't believe the Media Specialties reference was a trap. Aaron was
asking me the prices, since I named it as the lab I use here in town.
It may be dinky, but it's the only place that does what they do.
Tom C.
We don't ~have~ a Media Specialties where I live. How then could you
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From: Aaron Reynolds
Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
I've visited our outlab a bunch of times (UAF/PhotoClick in
Weston, ON),
and have been quite impressed with the speed of the new
Noritsus vs. the
Frontiers they have
In a message dated 12/4/01 10:42:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I agree 1000%. Until I can do everything with digital I can with
film, until I can take digital media into a good lab and get great
results, I am not inclined to invest any further in it. Let's
In a message dated 12/4/01 11:30:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is just a matter of time,
though, and after some more years pass I fully expect to see kick-ass
quality digital come down to affordable levels
That may be years before ~small format~ digital gets
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:05:22 -0500, you wrote:
The bottom line is that the pictures cost me about $8 total and no
additional time, while obtaining superior results.
I agree that an experienced shooter with a film camera can run rings
around inexperienced grandma with a digital. And I agree
Small format digital printing is expensive and for the most part, SUX.
SUX=Airport code for Sioux City, Iowa.
Bill, KG4LOV
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Chris Brogden wrote:
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, aimcompute wrote:
SHUT UP CHRIS! :-) :-) :-)
But let me tell you one more thing... :)
You drink RUM and Coke??? Step up to VO. You won't regret it!
You mean
On Tuesday, December 4, 2001, at 09:45 PM, William Robb wrote:
The big difference is, he isn't buying film anymore.
Know what's going to be the first casualty in the digital vs. film sales
war?
APS.
1) APS is a lousy format, comparatively. The neg is small, and for the
most part the
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 04:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can spend my time messing wth software and printers, or I can let
someone else do that part while I'm out pressing the shutter release.
Valid points, but you *can* do this with good labs.
Yes, but the expense is
In a message dated 12/5/01 7:22:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Small format digital printing is expensive and for the most part, SUX.
SUX=Airport code for Sioux City, Iowa.
Bill, KG4LOV
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Like I said: SUX :))
Mafud
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VO. Seagrams VO. Canadian blended whiskey. I thought you were Canadian!?
Tom C.
You mean vodka? I like that, too. I hate most alcohol, but I like vodka,
run and gin if they're properly mixed.
chris
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On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 11:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are so assured that what fits your isolated situation and location
is the
norm, when I assure you your situation is ~not~ the benchmark for
pricing or
ease of procuring prints.
So, put up or shut up. What lab are
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 11:36 AM, Robert Harris wrote:
Gee, is APS still around? I thought it went the way of Apple. :)
You mean APS ended up with the highest profit margin while the
competition all floundered? ;P
-Aaron
remember, if highest market share was the same as best,
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/5/01 11:19:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Please make sure that you're better
informed and more up-to-date before you embarrass yourself in arguments
that you evidently know little about. I am
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 11:18 AM, Chris Brogden wrote:
Look... YOU DON'T NEED A COMPUTER TO GET A PRINT FROM A DIGITAL
CAMERA. What part of that is hard to understand?
Mafud full well understands this, as evidenced by pretty much this exact
same exchange some time last year.
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Aaron Reynolds wrote:
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 11:18 AM, Chris Brogden wrote:
Look... YOU DON'T NEED A COMPUTER TO GET A PRINT FROM A DIGITAL
CAMERA. What part of that is hard to understand?
Mafud full well understands this, as evidenced by pretty much
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Speak for your part of the world. Here you get no such
bargain.
You guys need to catch up with us Canadians..
WW
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writes:
Bill is talking about WAL-MART for crying out loud. Are you telling us
that Wal-Mart is not a common store?
-Aaron
Ah, speaking my language. My wife is the front end manager for a Walmart
Super
What I want is a process to create little 4 round Viewmaster reels. g
Tom C.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
Aaron wrote
In a message dated 12/5/01 1:32:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Agreed. That's why I'm continuing this on-list instead of taking it
off-list as I usually do. Whether from ignorance or maliciousness, Mafud
is spreading a lot of false information about the digital
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 03:20 PM, Mike Johnston wrote:
Do you mean second, after Polaroid?
Polaroid's pro materials will be around for some time still, I think, at
least in their Fuji-manufactured forms. Also, the $50 Polaroid camera
doesn't look to be easily replaced by a $400
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 03:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ah, speaking my language. My wife is the front end manager for a Walmart
Super Store. I'll check this evening. But you moved the target. ~You~
were
speaking of ~LABS~.
What on earth are you talking about?
A Wal-Mart
Yup, but I hate most alcohols. :)
chris
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, aimcompute wrote:
VO. Seagrams VO. Canadian blended whiskey. I thought you were Canadian!?
Tom C.
You mean vodka? I like that, too. I hate most alcohol, but I like vodka,
run and gin if they're properly mixed.
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Aaron Reynolds wrote:
Who wants to join my APS deadpool? Let's pick the date that Kodak
announces it is no longer supporting the format. I pick 2005.
I think they'll try and hold onto it for a bit longer. I say 2007.
chris
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/5/01 1:32:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Agreed. That's why I'm continuing this on-list instead of taking it
off-list as I usually do. Whether from ignorance or maliciousness, Mafud
is
In a message dated 12/5/01 8:42:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And, while you're at it, what lab do you use that charges so much more for
prints from digital media than from film, and what are their prices?
First I laughed when you had the bald-faced audacity to
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Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
I don't take my regular film to a Wal-Mart (no offense Bill).
If it's
family snapshots, yes I do. I usually shoot transparency, so I
take
.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:13 PM
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No offence taken. In the work place, one of the things one needs
to realize is the limitations placed on him
In a message dated 12/4/01 1:56:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Besides i still think i take better film flash then digital flash.
Dave
I agree Dave. Lag time between pushing the shutter release and actuall firing
is, as you note-atrocious. Most under $500
In a message dated 12/4/01 11:06:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Digital is very cool, but a real pain in the ass.
Glad ~you~ said that! BSEG
Mafud
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In a message dated 12/4/01 1:56:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Besides i still
On 4 Dec 2001 at 13:56, David Brooks wrote:
My D1 flash sync's to 1/500.It helps me immensley for
critical action stuff.That is my big complain of the
p/s digital stugff out there now.Shutter lag is no good(correct
if wrong)for action stuff i do in the horsey world.For stand
alone
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, aimcompute wrote:
I agree 1000%. Until I can do everything with digital I can with
film, until I can take digital media into a good lab and get great
results, I am not inclined to invest any further in it. Let's see...
I can spend my time messing wth software and
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Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:40 PM
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, aimcompute wrote:
I agree 1000%. Until I can do everything with digital I can with
film
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, aimcompute wrote:
Chris,
I wasn't arguing so much about price. It's more about time.
That's why I said that the rant wasn't directed against you. :) And
yeah, it can take a while to print images yourself... but a good lab can
give as fast a turn-around time as film,
SHUT UP CHRIS! :-) :-) :-)
You drink RUM and Coke??? Step up to VO. You won't regret it!
Tom C.
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From: Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, aimcompute wrote:
SHUT UP CHRIS! :-) :-) :-)
But let me tell you one more thing... :)
You drink RUM and Coke??? Step up to VO. You won't regret it!
You mean vodka? I like that, too. I hate most alcohol, but I like vodka,
run and gin if they're properly mixed.
chris
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From: aimcompute
Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
SHUT UP CHRIS! :-) :-) :-)
You drink RUM and Coke??? Step up to VO. You won't regret it!
Until tomorrow Tom. You may well regret it tomorrow..
WW
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Chris B. wrote:
Why does everyone
always argue that the price of printers, paper and ink need to be factored
into comparing digital and film cameras? Do you include the price of a
good minilab into the purchase of your film camera? If you don't want to
print them yourself, take the files
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