and how to build it. To my mind
that is a democratic process.
And requires that we treat each other as brothers and sisters, or comrades
as it were in the common struggle. To take the goal as building the left
and learning how to make the left strong. Agreed?
thanks,
Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists,
Thanks Michael for giving me the leeway to using Sasha's name this way. You
are right though and I was careless to word things this way. A flame war is
far from my intent. But we all know how certain sorts of approaches
facilitate that. Also Sasha I hope you feel also
Greetings Economists,
It is but a small step from what CC writes:
As a friend of mine in the local Depressive Support Group once observed,
Just because you're crazy doesn't mean you're not also a jerk! There is
no difficulty in demonstrating that Bush and his friends are one large
bunch of thugs
Greetings Economists,
CB (Charles Brown) writes,
(first),
...Math, grammar and logic are all sets of rules on how to use symbols
then CB writes,
...logic is mathematical and linguistic, but I am curious on the essential
distinction between linguistics and mathematics implied here
To which
Hello All,
J.D. writes,
Anyway, every once and awhile, someone suggests that pen-l produce some sort
of
collective project, but the prospect always seems akin to that of herding
cats.
The existence of the WikiPedia suggests two ideas:
Doyle,
Wonderful suggestion. Further Pen-L can foster debates
to communicate off
list with Michael Y.
thanks,
Doyle Saylor
on the left voice on our
program. Our program has been covering the budget crisis in California and
how it affects funding for disabled people, but the larger impact of
unemployment upon disability issues is equally important to us.
Doyle Saylor
. Lots to do and so little time. We are
archived on the KPFA site.
thanks,
Doyle Saylor
Hi All,
Michael as luck would have it I had to go out of town immediately after
asking for some thoughts on our coverage of California budget cutbacks. I
appreciate your comments. Both points of view matter to us. Both the
larger question of who will be hurt and how it will affect disabled
Hello All,
Our radio program, Pushing Limits, is going to feature two budget analysts
on the Schwarzenegger budget. However, our collective's budget expert is
going out of town and can't co-host that night. So I thought I would ask
for some economic help from Pen-L. What would you ask these
Hello All,
Quoting James Devine who forwards an article on disability cutbacks in
California by the lamentable Schwarzenegger:
[strangely, no mention is made concerning cut-backs of benefits for
those disabled by over-use of steroids.]
Doyle,
Just to keep it as clear as possible, putting disabled
Hello All,
I am home today sick. For me, this is a sad moment. I don't look for times
like this to take stands they just seem to come to me.
When I was young I was assaulted many times as a queer. I didn't even know
what that meant. There are certainly many people like Melvin who are in the
Greetings Pen 'Ellers,
Thanks Joanna for forwarding Lakoff's interview.
I've enjoyed reading Lakoff, especially on philosophy and mathematics.
Lakoff argues for 'embodiment' which I think helps to clarify the many muddy
arguments about cognition and dissipate the mind duality that permeates the
Greetings Pen-'Ellers,
Well KGC's response was just fine. No need to pursue anything in my view,
however, I found some nuggets or tidbits of Telecom stuff here and there in
my notes so I'll pass it along assuming that it might find some interest for
KGC.
Tidbits about Telecoms from here and
Greetings Pen-'Ellers,
KGC writes,
But there is an idea floating around geekdom that the Web works (in the
sense that it scales 5B+ documents, something which no one really
expected) because of various purely technological ideas (most of which get
attributed, inaccurately, to Tim Berners-Lee). I
Greetings Pen-L,
KGC writes,
Oops, but, but, Clay Shirky is a bit of a moron.
Doyle,
Couple of things, while for you the term moron is simply a label that
indicates you think Shirky is not interesting, for me as a disability rights
advocate I find the term anti-disabled. If you read Stephen Jay
Hello All,
Due to a computer problem I have been unable to get to the list for a few
days. This is a bit old, but I would like to give my two cents.
Hari Kumar wrote to Doyle (not Doug as his note says)
Question: Hi Doug: I would not disagree with most of your premises. But
please
explain the
Hello All,
I think this article on the developmental potential of geometric content for
computing is interesting. I think geometric computing, making information
with spatial meaning, hasn't been well developed by capitalism. Maps,
street signs, cultural information based upon location suggest
Hello Pen 'ellers,
Carrol wrote,
You have just given me a very good reason for what one might call
pre-emptive suicide. Kill oneself before one loses the ability to
communicate but not the ability to feel pain.
Doyle,
First I forgot to give the radio identification; KPFA, 94.1 fm in Berkeley.
Hello All,
One of the key areas for the disabled rights movement is cognitive issues.
To be clear when I use this term, cognitive, many disabled people do not use
it in broad context, but to mean a specific area of disability. Cognitive
for me is involvement of the brain in a disability.
Hello Pen 'ellers,
I enjoyed reading the travel journal. Reminds me of reading Sartre's
novels. The writing held up through the whole piece. I myself don't think
of doing art this way.
This little essay did stimulate me in another direction. I am thinking
about Wittgenstein and color. If one
Hello Pen 'ellers,
Some interesting comments on Disk Storage from a Microsoft employee. Costs
according to him. Implications according to him.
Excerpted comments on;
*Terabyte drives and sequential access replacing random access,
*Disk delivery economics
*Processors in the interface, processors
Hello All,
The RIAA has carefully calculated how to stop the file sharing that has
corrupted the youth. There seems to be loophole north of the Border. Just
like prohibition the Canadians stand ready to provide a product forbidden in
the U.S. This means war of course, down with the Canadians,
Greetings Pen 'ellers,
Joanna asks,
Very interesting, but is it true? I thought Apple was making some kind
of money on selling tunes over the net???
me,
Shirky writes indirectly in a general sense about how to consider Apple's
latest net music business. His point being that media is being
Francisco. For those in the Bay Area check out this homo show! Take
note Deep Dickollective observes class issues in this American Society.
Doyle Saylor
They're here, they're queer and they homohop. Gay and lesbian artists, long
rejected by mainstream rappers, are stretching the genre's boundaries
Hello All,
Clay Shirky caught my attention about a year ago. Shirky thinks about the
economics of the web. In this case Shirky considers why micropayments
wouldn't work. He takes into account exponents of micropayments like Scott
McCloud. One facet of Shirky's claim is that content on the web
Hi All,
Our 'Pushing Limits' Radio Collective is back for the fall on KPFA radio
94.1 fm in the San Francisco Bay Area. Sunday evenings, 'Pushing Limits',
goes on the air at 6:30pm to fight for disabled rights. The first, third,
and fifth Sunday of every Month (Starting September 21st) we'll be
Hello All,
Michael responds,
The list costs me nothing, but some people -- especially those outside of
the US
-- pay a great deal to use the net.
Doyle,
Well costs can appear in many ways which restrict access to information. It
is true that some people such as Lou also pay for the volume of
Hello All,
I saw American Splendor yesterday. I enjoyed reading Pekar in the eighties
in part because he focused on working class world I was embedded in, the
file clerk in a big corporation, and that Pekar both felt he was a
socialist, and a realist in his work.
The biggest problem for the
Hello All,
James Devine wrote,
for what it's worth, Jurriaan is new to pen-l and posts a lot of stuff that
seems new to me. And then some complain that he posts too much!
Jim
Doyle
I agree with this point, but I would like to dilate on this also. For
Michael, how much people post may be
Hello All,
Lou's review of Harvey Pekar is another fine posting on U.S. culture.
Harvey Pekar caught my attention a long time ago, 1984. Harvey portrayed
himself in his comics as something of left oriented, but what I found
interesting about Harvey was his eye tuned to the kind of life I've led.
Hello All,
Ken Hanly writes back about Wittgenstein, then towards the bottom conflates
me with Churchland. Thus Ken writes,
So the claim that brains think makes some sense in our culture especially
given that brains do not exist outside the body. But they do exist outside
the body. You and
Hello All,
Jurriaan writes,
...The popularisation of associative, analogic thinking and rapid
communication, as a substitute for systematic theoretisation, particularly
in the social sciences, basically means the forward march of various forms
of pragmatism as the dominant epistemic paradigm. ...
Hello All,
Reductionism is not a philosophy as much as a practice in parts of science.
However, the method has drawn substantial fire as a philosophy. I am going
to examine one such attack. In this case this is an interesting wide
ranging criticism of not Reductionism but of the established
Hello All,
Louis Proyect wrote an interesting and quite good review of the recent
movie, The Quiet American. In passing LP writes:
LP,
While the novelist can create a deeper reality through such words, the
cinematographer is somewhat limited in what he or she can do. Despite
various tricks at
.
thanks,
Doyle Saylor
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A8014-2003Feb26?language=printer
washingtonpost.com
Butterfly.net Snags Game Deal With Sony
W.Va. Firm, IBM Hope to Attract Millions of PlayStation Fans to Their
Network
By Nicholas Johnston
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday
in a very
positive way.
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Doyle Saylor
in monitors that makes on line book publishing not acceptable and
the cost of printing compared to strictly on line Open Source projects
favors established book printing practices.
Thanks,
Doyle Saylor
Kelley remarks pasted below
Kelley writes,
Jim,
collaborative teaching projects can use Web
on disabled prisoners.
Pen-L member Doyle Saylor will examine Web Accessibility for disabled
people, and Disability and the Arts. Other programs by the collective will
look at Iraq and disability and the War, Paratransit, Housing for disabled
people, employment for disabled people, Anti-disabled people
could build.
These together would massively improve the left's media communication.
thanks,
Doyle Saylor
is wrong
with Broadcast Television, front Stage presentations at mass rallies,
written journals. Conversational shared information structures are
important hence the recent Supreme Court case brought by Lessig in which
Lessig attacked copyright laws.
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Doyle Saylor
boring and why isn't on your agenda for this discussion of
feeling coming out of the left? Am I being harsh toward you? I respect you
enough to bring up differences to debate, not tear you down.
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Doyle Saylor
to consider how to make a real live left.
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Doyle Saylor
and originality of thought being expressed is a
consequence of the manner in which thought is being produced in such events,
not the failure of the U.S. left.
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Doyle Saylor
with the society we are building.
Though what they produce may be of an order of magnitude different from what
most people want or expect.
NY times article selected quotes is pasted below.
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Doyle Saylor
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/16/magazine/16DISABLED.html?pagewanted=print;
position=top
to say if I don't agree.
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Doyle Saylor
to
communication structure ignored by previous social movement) based
harassment,
Rapid building of groups in simple fashion,
Resources and software support needed to build such communal resources,
File sharing necessities in communications,
thanks,
Doyle Saylor
for workers that Keller might have gained from
her famous teacher.
thanks,
Doyle Saylor
ZNet Commentary
Coining Keller January 01, 2003
By Marta Russell
Alabama has a new state quarter bearing the image of Helen Keller. To
be so coined, Keller out-rated a moon rocket and a Cherokee chief
intrusive control of people to
protect the IPR. How do we effectively fight this? Thank you Michael!
thanks,
Doyle Saylor
of, the passionate connection that people
form.
Your review was a welcome raising of an important movie, thanks for the
opportunity to debate what I think is important.
respectfully,
Doyle Saylor
U.S. imperial
dominance, and how that is managed in an internet society.
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Doyle Saylor
In South Korea, it's the mouse that roars
New breed of politician taps the country's love affair
with high tech, GEOFFREY YORK writes
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021230
question about another
typical unrealistic technology boon doggle, does emotion production
technology have implications for working class structure?
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Doyle Saylor
Feeling Blue? This Robot Knows It By Louise Knapp
Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,56921,00.html
02
thing for
all those guys who like to wear camouflage outfits in the city street. Wear
your pants down showing off your military depends terror diapers. You could
have the tubes be a prominent badge of what you shared with your buddies in
combat.
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Doyle Saylor
Scorsese for their failings. There is no
good reason to think that minimizing understanding passionate relationships
between people is going to destroy meaning. If you want to debate that
emotions are not part of 'meaning' you'll be on not very solid ground.
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Doyle Saylor
as the more understood elements of language production or
words.
Ultimately then to understand on the mass scale what the whole working class
needs to feel ok about their organizations and movement.
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Doyle Saylor
on to another rocking horse and rootin tootin six gun shooting
away we go again.
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Doyle Saylor
is emotion structure and an economic
analysis. Good Vibrations is a business, and thriving in a difficult time.
What is happening?
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Doyle Saylor
that
is a positive thing for me to do. And that is a good thing. Thank you
Carrol for speaking a truth to me.
Doyle Saylor
the problem in my way, but the commonality we share is
that emotion structure is the barrier in the U.S. to an effective left.
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Doyle Saylor
,
Doyle Saylor
on there.
But finding a way to unite is no easy task either.
Thanks for the thought. You know you would be welcome in my home. I hope
if you hate me for being an American, that you could soften your heart
toward me by personal contact.
thanks,
Doyle Saylor
understanding of what I read
here to build a bridge of understanding both to you, and about Disability
rights for all.
Thanks,
Doyle Saylor
incorporation and integration of disability
rights into the social framework of a global system.
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Doyle Saylor
have taken a stand to fight for their rights against every
able bodied charge and castigation.
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Doyle Saylor
analysis about communal brainwork.
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Doyle Saylor
their feelings about the
Monarchy and Church in France, or in Russian, or China the ancient regimes,
and Capitalism itself.
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Doyle Saylor
take this up and demonstrate that stupid means something in a
serious manner go for it.
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Doyle Saylor
. To feel we can say what
we can and be heard in all the variety and energy we have. To find strength
in each other. I hope you can read me as trying to build something not tear
you down.
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Doyle Saylor
of the brainwork we call feeling. That when in pain the
working class says 'stupid' capitalists, and puts into the empty place
holder of intense feelings some thing appropriate to working class power and
systemic thinking.
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Doyle Saylor
. That means the liberals
have abandoned their usual role of usurping left movements. They merely
criticize the 'left' as a left.
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Doyle Saylor
December 8, 2002
The Liberal Quandary Over Iraq
By GEORGE PACKER NY Times
If you're a liberal, why haven't you joined the antiwar movement
structure
down the road in more emails. All of this to understand how class structure
is shaping lives in people who are at the 'fringes' (54 million people in
the U.S. are disabled).
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Doyle Saylor
http://stream.realimpact.net/rihurl.ram?file=webactive/cspin/cspin2002112
9.rmstart=7:44.6
. society did? What does
this imply for political parties?
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Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists,
On a private list about technology and economics I run, I had an exchange
with someone in Japan about networked society. Alan has been writing for
awhile about how communications technology in Japan has been well
established and the cultural impact that has had. In this
Geneticist: Abort the blind and disabled
By: Julie Novak November 20, 2002
Narragansett Times
KINGSTON - Society might be better off if it prevents the
birth of blind and severely disabled children, said
biomedical ethicist Dan W. Brock at the University of Rhode
Island's tenth Honors
in his hands and looked
deeply in my eyes. He whispered in my ear,
Of course. I am a dyed-in-the-wool Bukharinite. Peasants, enrich
yourselves!
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Doyle Saylor
cognitive disability and what a system for
social change really would be like.
In solidarity.
Doyle Saylor
a short commentary from JKS which appears elsewhere that
is interesting in regard to Rawls.
Thanks,
Doyle Saylor
Rawls is a very dull writer, in the tradition of
Dewey. As for the cliches, well sorry, it was 12 am
when I got back fromw orking amd I wasn't up to
sparkle when I discovered than one
Greetings Economists,
Jim Devine writes,
I read Doyle as saying that accusing, say, Bob Barr, of having loony
positions does not really argue against his positions and therefore is
simply involves leftists talking amongst themselves (preaching to the
converted) which doesn't have any obvious
to deal with it.
thanks,
Doyle Saylor
of passion
in useful and unexpected ways. Louis Proyect does a great job writing about
various cultural phenomenon. I'll see if I can't take that example of an
approach to writing about a book or movie and see if I can't do justice to
this book.
thanks,
Doyle Saylor
? Asylums? Is that the place to put
someone who is a political enemy, an insane asylum? I mean obviously you
use this lightly. Your term does not bear weight nor depth nor
understanding.
You use many terms lightly.
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Doyle Saylor
the damage is irreversible.
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Doyle Saylor
to make war weapons with despite the Christian Fundamentalist
of the U.S. Republican party. Etc Etc Etc Etc ad nauseum.
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Doyle Saylor
character
of Pinker's book, we are instead led to believe that the issue is merely
about nature and nurture extremism called the blank slate.
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Doyle Saylor
provides the left with the means to reach the masses. The war
provides a means for the left to reach the masses. The disintegration of
the democrats provides a means to reach the masses.
That is what I think is obvious about this election.
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Doyle Saylor
to have an opinion, but the
need to have read a range of the literature is called for to comment in
serious fashion upon Pinker's book.
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Doyle Saylor
work could be implemented in our
system as yet. We don't see the framework clearly enough of what it is that
is being built in language to understand how that framework could include
other kinds of brain work outside the norms of the language framework.
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Doyle Saylor
is a system not based upon insanity
but class structure, and to bring up the specificity of individual lives
that on the surface have nothing in common. Autistics can be born anywhere
in the system. It is the building of a framework of socialism that concerns
us. And therefore to liberate.
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Doyle
to it in an n-dimensional way. Hence spintronics offers ways of
addressing at once some powerful computational problems that can't be done
logically and consistently otherwise.
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Doyle Saylor
.
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Doyle Saylor
there in other image
manipulation programs but I don't know them. I would not send out a graphic
larger than 50kb, and better to keep a graphic smaller than 25kb.
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Doyle Saylor
like the above needs to consciously take on Accessibility for
the disabled. Multimedia web based work (blogging sites are typical of this
sort of direction) by people on the left needs be inclusive and aware of the
disabled needs of the working class.
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Doyle Saylor
of the bosses.
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Doyle Saylor
a
personality and media structure commiserate with the loving world of
socialism.
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Doyle Saylor
with disability in order to negate that position. The disabled then always suffer the consequences of being used this way.
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Doyle Saylor
http://www.wisconsinmedicalsociety.org/savant/
http://www.wisconsinmedicalsociety.org/savant/topics.cfm
articles and topics on savant mental skills
http
res. That question restated is ;what is the relationship between material structure and knowledge and contingency' that underlies work and information exchange.
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Doyle Saylor
, what sort of bonding process would be possible
to liberate the working class?
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Doyle Saylor
and seriousness that LP can bring to such efforts.
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Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists,
Well Melvin, I thought you had some interesting things to add about your
history as well as your understanding of what sectarianism is. I picked up
on one single little sentence to hang my thoughts on,
Melvin
Rather, I have encountered the group dynamic from the
Greetings Economists,
Melvin P replies to my thoughts,
Melvin,
Welcome to the heat tank.
Doyle,
Sounds like the hot pot for fresh email posters. ;-)
Melvin,
His use of the words sectarianism and cult are in my estimate
justifiable historically.
And also Melvin writes,
Suffice it to state that
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