{S-Scale List} Turnouts
Chris, I probably owe you an update on the turnouts. I said I might get them done by last weekend, but I found that to be a bit ambitious. I did make progress on them this week. All the rails are soldered in place. Five of the six need a bit more solder in the frogs, and then the frogs need to be sawed out. The sixth one is done. Then any tweaking that needs to be done. I think I can finish them tomorrow, and mail them out next week. Jamie Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
Group, That last note was only meant for Chris Rooney. Sorry to be wasting bandwidth. Jamie Bothwell Bethlehem, PA
{S-Scale List} Turnouts--again.
Looking for a source for bell-cranks,etc., for wire-controlled turnout. I have the choke cables, but need cranks, or watever, to reverse the travel between the wire and the tuernout. Dave Engle
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts--again.
Hi Dave -- Go to your local R/C aircraft hobby shop. These are commonly used in aileron control linkages. You can also make what you need using brass strip from the hobby shop. You just need to drill the appropriate holes, and use a screw for the pivot. If you have some of the copper clad pc tie strip, same deal. Have fun! Bill Winans - Looking for a source for bell-cranks,etc., for wire-controlled turnout. I have the choke cables, but need cranks, or whatever, to reverse the travel between the wire and the turnout. Dave Engle
{S-Scale List} turnouts
Gentlemen, When I have time, I tune into the Steam Era freight car era yahoo group. Like our group sometimes they go pretty far into things. They have been batting around wheels and their codes. Just a short while ago, a NMRA official replied as to wheelsets and their relationships to track. What I found interesting what that 'of the three turnouts checked on Atlas passed by conforming to NMRA standards. We all know our lack of dependable RTR turnouts has hampered in S not becoming more popular, but apparently HO has some of the same issues. This brings up two questions... I do operate on several citywide HO layouts without any major issues so they still get things to work straight from the box. And #2, do any S turnouts comply with the NMRA standards or RP's? Bob Werre PhotoTraxx Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Turnouts And Track
Bill Farley: I have all Shinohara turnouts, 90 plus and flex track. For my money, the best for the price. Art Ferguson Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Hi, Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts in S Scale? Whose track is now the most used? Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey. Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.) Bill (Fraley) Jefferson Central Railroad
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Tomalco
Fred Tolhurst
Maryville, TN
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Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Hi,
Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts
in S Scale?
Whose track is now the most used?
Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey.
Your responses will be m ost appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.)
Bill (Fraley)
Jefferson Central Railroad
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Hi Bill -- I use Tomalco flex (all rail sizes, both S and Sn3) and Shinohara turnouts (#8 very slightly modified, #6 totally rebuilt).A large percentage of the trackwork is handlaid because it is dual gauge. Have fun! Bill Winans -- Hi, Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts in S Scale? Whose track is now the most used? Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey. Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.) Bill (Fraley) Jefferson Central Railroad
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
I use Tomalco flex and hand build my turnouts using the Fast Tracks fixtures.
They are very reliable with no wheel drop at the frog.
Jim Martin
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Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:44:39 AM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Hi,
Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts
in S Scale?
Whose track is now the most used?
Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey.
Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.)
Bill (Fraley)
Jefferson Central Railroad
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Regauged Atlas #6 Customline turnouts. There's an article out there in the stratosphere somewhere. boB Nicholson --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, scale S only wrote: Hi Bill -- I use Tomalco flex (all rail sizes, both S and Sn3) and Shinohara turnouts (#8 very slightly modified, #6 totally rebuilt).A large percentage of the trackwork is handlaid because it is dual gauge. Have fun! Bill Winans -- Hi, Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts in S Scale? Whose track is now the most used? Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey. Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.) Bill (Fraley) Jefferson Central Railroad Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
It's said that there are four stages to track in the life of a model
railroader:
1 - Sectional
2 - Flextrack
3 - Handlaid
4 - Flextrack
I'm in stage 3. Laid in place on wooden ties. Although I do use a Fast
Tracks PointForm tool to speed up filing points, I don't use their jigs.
Dave Heine
Easton, PA
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Willam Fraley
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:45 AM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Hi,
Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite]
turnouts in S Scale?
Whose track is now the most used?
Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey.
Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.)
Bill (Fraley)
Jefferson Central Railroad
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Very astute, Dave!
I'm in stage four.
Fred Tolhurst
Maryville, TN
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Subject: RE: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
It’s said that there are four stages to track in the life of a model railroader:
1 – Sectional
2 – Flextrack
3 – Handlaid
4 – Flextrack
I’m in stage 3. Laid in place on wooden ties. Although I do use a Fast Tracks
PointForm tool to speed up filing points, I don’t use their jigs.
/p
Dave Heine
Easton, PA
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Willam Fraley
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:45 AM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Hi,
Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts
in S Scale?
Whose track is now the most used?
Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey.
Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.)
Bill (Fraley)
Jefferson Central Railroad
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Bill,
My 100+ turnouts are a mixture of Old Pullman and BK kits, point and frog
castings, and a sprinkling of Whites and Shinoharas. Most of these have been
picked up at swap meets over the years at bargain prices. Where there have
been special situations, or where I just felt like it, I scratch built about
25. I purchased mostly Tomalco flextrack, but had some used Shinohara from
swap meets as well.
Roger Nulton
From: Willam Fraley
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 8:44 AM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and track
Hi,
Once agin the question comes to me, what are the most used [favorite] turnouts
in S Scale?
Whose track is now the most used?
Perhaps we can once again come up with a survey.
Your responses will be most appreciated by me (and I'm sure many others.)
Bill (Fraley)
Jefferson Central Railroad
Re: {S-Scale List} turnouts for SHS rail
The majority of my frogs were curved (now all pulled up and waiting to move to new digs). When I did the planning in AutoCAD wherever two tracks diverged there went a turnout following the center lines (frequently both tracks would start their respect arcs somewhere in the turnout length - the inside at the points and the outside somewhat further down towards the frog). Then there were two diamonds with curves both ways, a three-way. I'm not sure I'm up to making a double slip. When making frogs I fill the flangeways with solder to almost railhead height and then carve, saw and file out the solder to desired flangeway depth. No holes for wheels to drop into. I've found the best way to cut the flangeway is by running a fine-toothed hacksaw blade through the solder. I ruined many knife blades and files until someone shared with me his method. The next layout will be made with SHS flex track, my salvaged .125 and .100 trackwork and new where needed. I plan to build my own turnouts and may experiment with Fast Track jigs machined for SHS rail. I think I'll also try planning using more straight frogs for the challenge. Is it more difficult to make turnouts from SHS rail than other brands? The only issued I've had with SHS rail is removing the weathering to get clean metal for solder joints. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, David Heine davesn3@... wrote: Bill, From what little I know, curved frogs are more common in some other countries than in the USA. You can see lots of them in picture of British trackwork. In my case, I have built several turnouts with curved frogs on my layout and there will be more. You should consider trying to build your own turnouts, it's not that hard, and a lot cheaper than commercial or custom made turnouts. It also allows you to do things you couldn't fit in using just commercial turnouts. If you ever get to see Dick Karnes' layout; you will know what I mean. In my own case I have a dual gauge curved turnout, immediately followed by a curved crossing on the diverging end. Last month, I built an asymmetrical wye turnout, where the two routes are a different angle; if I had used a standard turnout, I would have had to put a jog in the track. That one was easy, it was only standard gauge. And if you don't think the prototype builds funky trackwork, I can show you pictures of a dual gauge stub switch with a dual gauge crossing through it. Two of the rails cross through a frog. Dave Heine Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} turnouts for SHS rail
Someone asked the question in an earlier email when and whether MTH might make SHS flextrack available. Gary Cameron, who is not on the yahoo groups, checked with MTH about a week ago. The response he received was that it would be available in the future but not until six months or more. - Earl Henry, Nashville
{S-Scale List} turnouts for SHS rail
I have had issues getting turnouts made using SHS rail. I am on my 3rd source now with the first and 2nd are not viable. Hopefully the 3rd choice will get me the few I need to fix the mainline but I am probably not going back for more. I should know by Weds on that one. I even bought complete Fast Tracks sets. If someone has been thinking about buying a #10 set up for SHS rail I could have a deal for you. What I was thinking I don't know. I just received a turnout casting set from Protocraft aimed at P48 market. It is cast points, guard rails and a frog for about $25.00. I need to find out want number turnout it makes - hopefully a 6 or 8. My original thoughts were to eyeball it and see if I have to make something new in Solidworks. So far to my uneducated eye they show great promise as is. The flangeways match the NASG gauge perfectly. Best of all there is no massive HOLE in the middle of the frog big enough to suck the whole car into it. Here is how they compare. SHSProtocraft Rail height .138 .134 Foot .106 .111 As you can see they are really close. I think I am correct when I say a frog is a frog - there is no scale to it. Is there such a thing as a curved frog? I have at least 2 sets of curved crossovers in mind. I can easily live with the slightly oversized bolt details if needed. Given I will probably need 10 new turnouts tops for this rail making something new would be a huge effort. I will update my decision once Don T or Charlie Leonard see the castings. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progess at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
Re: {S-Scale List} turnouts for SHS rail
Bill,
I am building a new layout using SHS flex track and Tom's Turnouts with SHS
rail. I am in need of additional turnouts, as well, and it appears that Tom
Stoltz is not a viable option with his backlog of orders and limited
availability of SHS rail. I will be eagerly anticipating what role MTH will
have with track and turnouts. Please keep me informed as to the progress of
your search or research.
Keith Erhart
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Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 7:07:14 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} turnouts for SHS rail
I have had issues getting turnouts made using SHS rail. I am on my 3 rd source
now with the first and 2 nd are not viable. Hopefully the 3 rd choice will get
me the few I need to fix the mainline but I am probably not going back for
more. I should know by Weds on that one. I even bought complete Fast Tracks
sets. If someone has been thinking about buying a #10 set up for SHS rail I
could have a deal for you. What I was thinking I don’t know.
I just received a turnout casting set from Protocraft aimed at P48 market. It
is cast points, guard rails and a frog for about $25.00. I need to find out
want number turnout it makes – hopefully a 6 or 8. My original thoughts were to
eyeball it and see if I have to make something new in Solidworks. So far to my
uneducated eye they show great promise as is. The flangeways match the NASG
gauge perfectly. Best of all there is no massive HOLE in the middle of the frog
big enough to suck the whole car into it.
Here is how they compare.
SHS Protocraft
Rail height .138 nbs p; .134
Foot .106 .111
As you can see they are really close. I think I am correct when I say a frog is
a frog – there is no scale to it. Is there such a thing as a curved frog? I
have at least 2 sets of curved crossovers in mind. I can easily live with the
slightly oversized bolt details if needed. Given I will probably need 10 new
turnouts tops for this rail making something new would be a huge effort. I will
update my decision once Don T or Charlie Leonard see the castings.
Thank You,
Bill Lane
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Re: {S-Scale List} turnouts for SHS rail
I will be eagerly anticipating what role MTH will have with track and turnouts. Keith Erhart KeithI recently sent an email to MTH with a question. Two days later I received a very nice response which answered my question. Perhaps if you wrote directly to MTH, they might lift the curtain of secrecy and let you know what they are planning to do with SHS turnouts, flex track, rail, etc. Good luck...Ed L. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: {S-Scale List} turnouts for SHS rail
Bill, From what little I know, curved frogs are more common in some other countries than in the USA. You can see lots of them in picture of British trackwork. In my case, I have built several turnouts with curved frogs on my layout and there will be more. You should consider trying to build your own turnouts, it's not that hard, and a lot cheaper than commercial or custom made turnouts. It also allows you to do things you couldn't fit in using just commercial turnouts. If you ever get to see Dick Karnes' layout; you will know what I mean. In my own case I have a dual gauge curved turnout, immediately followed by a curved crossing on the diverging end. Last month, I built an asymmetrical wye turnout, where the two routes are a different angle; if I had used a standard turnout, I would have had to put a jog in the track. That one was easy, it was only standard gauge. And if you don't think the prototype builds funky trackwork, I can show you pictures of a dual gauge stub switch with a dual gauge crossing through it. Two of the rails cross through a frog. Dave Heine Is there such a thing as a curved frog? I have at least 2 sets of curved crossovers in mind. I can easily live with the slightly oversized bolt details if needed. Given I will probably need 10 new turnouts tops for this rail making something new would be a huge effort. I will update my decision once Don T or Charlie Leonard see the castings. Thank You, Bill Lane
{S-Scale List} turnouts for SHS rail
Keith, Don T told me the other day that Tom's Turnouts bought the last of his available rail (maybe 500 feet?) about a month ago. How long that is going to last Tom I don't know. Since you have used Tom's previously a check in with him may be in order. You may be able to get the turnouts you need. Tom's Turnouts is not something I would consider. I have no interest in running anything but Scale wheels. Whether MTH produces scale turnouts using the SHS rail remains to be seen. I really hope it does happen. But I am not waiting for anyone. While not in hand yet I technically have the rail and all the other supplies to make my turnouts. Looking at these P48 castings if they will work takes the heavy lifting out of the job. If they make the P48 guys happy the castings should be good enough for me. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progess at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
{S-Scale List} turnouts wanted
All, Some time ago someone offered turnouts made with SHS rail. They were wood ties with a spike in every tie - on cork roadbed and ballasted - a real piece of 1/64 functional art. I remember that they were pricey, but still a RTR turnout in every sense of the word right down to the functional drawbar system. I have about 5 of them. Perhaps you have some of them that are new or gently used you are not using. I would prefer #6. I need them for the freight side. They will work as flop down temporary turnouts until I get that side designed and installed. Please reply directly with what you have and prices. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} turnouts for sale or trade
I have 3) code 100 Banta #8 left turnouts new in package for sale or trade. I bought about 15 turnouts from Bill possibly the last time I saw in about 2004. These were the last of the RTR turnouts he had as he was stopping making them. My preference would be to trade for NEW Banta or Tomalco code 100 #6. The hand does not really matter to me. I have a long way to go. They will get used eventually. I might consider a code 100 # 5 or 6 wye too. Another possible trade would be Banta or Tomalco #6 or #8 made with SHS rail. (NOT code 125 rail) I would also consider *buying* any surplus new code 100 # 6 you may have. Please reply directly with what you have in mind. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
Very interesting catalog. I'm surprised how many employees the firm had at the time. I think Branch Line Models in Memphis sold the Peare line of 172 flex track well into the 60's. On two occasions while on family vacation in the Black Hill of my home state, I visited a very tiny hobby shop that was about 10' wide. Being in the years of junior high school, I wasn't very knowledgeable, but I was always looking for anything S. I asked the owner/clerk about S as I didn't see any AF boxes on the shelves. His eyes lit up as he opened one of several boxes of S scale turnouts with the Peare label on them. Of course, I'd never seen such a thing, so back on the shelf they went. A couple years later, they were still there. I wonder how in the world, a hobby shop in the sparsely populated South Dakota would end up with 4 turnouts and nothing else in the scale. I think the hobby shop was called Who's Hobby in Rapid City. Jack Troxell, has the complete set of Bob's work cars on display shelf in his house. I've never asked him why they were never on his layout. Bob Werre PhotoTraxx.com On 6/12/11 10:25 AM, ssc...@bestweb.net wrote: Does anyone know more about these? I want to sell them but don't know enough about them. I found this: http://www.sscalenews.com/downloads/bobpeare1952.pdf Stan Stokrocki [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
My first 'AF set' came with about 45' of Bob Peare track and 1 turnout and a few pieces of HO flex. Forever and ever I thought there was another turnout that got lost in an attic closet because a turnout was soldered to another track. I was probably in error and the one had probably broken of due to solder fatigue. I didn't know about AF track for a long time and thought Bob Peare was the norm. I used to have dreams finding the track at hobby shops only to be disappointed. I attempted my first turnout in middle school shop class by trying to copy the one just to get a crossing pair. One day in highschool the local HS had 15 feet for sale. That was the only stuff I found until I started going to flea markets after grad school. Ben Trousdale --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Bob Werre bob@... wrote: Very interesting catalog. I'm surprised how many employees the firm had at the time. I think Branch Line Models in Memphis sold the Peare line of 172 flex track well into the 60's. On two occasions while on family vacation in the Black Hill of my home state, I visited a very tiny hobby shop that was about 10' wide. Being in the years of junior high school, I wasn't very knowledgeable, but I was always looking for anything S. I asked the owner/clerk about S as I didn't see any AF boxes on the shelves. His eyes lit up as he opened one of several boxes of S scale turnouts with the Peare label on them. Of course, I'd never seen such a thing, so back on the shelf they went. A couple years later, they were still there. I wonder how in the world, a hobby shop in the sparsely populated South Dakota would end up with 4 turnouts and nothing else in the scale. I think the hobby shop was called Who's Hobby in Rapid City. Jack Troxell, has the complete set of Bob's work cars on display shelf in his house. I've never asked him why they were never on his layout. Bob Werre PhotoTraxx.com On 6/12/11 10:25 AM, sscale@... wrote: Does anyone know more about these? I want to sell them but don't know enough about them. I found this: http://www.sscalenews.com/downloads/bobpeare1952.pdf Stan Stokrocki [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
Dear Howard
I'd guess the Peare are more than fifty years old, probably going on sixty. He
mostly made O scale track, so these are probably from some of the same rail
(although
quite a few O scale modelers back then used the even more comical code #172) to
accomodate AF wheelsets and drivers. That long ago there was very little true
scale S. Peare was located in New Jersey as I recall, and, I think, for a
while had the remains of the Westbrook car kit line.
Jace Kahn
General Manager
Ceres Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.
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Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 00:54:17 +
Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
Hello Group
I have some S gauge No. 6 RH and LH switches made by Bob Peare Engineering
Corp.of Clifton NJ called Trackmaster. They are appear to be code 148.
They are closed frog and are mounted on fiber board ties. I also have a code
100 30 degree cross over that is not mounted on ties. These are a brass
alloy.
Does anyone know more about these? I want to sell them but don't know enough
about them.
Thanks
Howard
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RE: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
Peare did indeed offer Af compatible S track and turnouts with Code 172 rail.
He also offered track and turnouts for S scale in Code 125. I recall their
being advertised decades ago in MR or RMC.
Tom
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Dear Howard
I'd guess the Peare are more than fifty years old, probably going on sixty. He
mostly made O scale track, so these are probably from some of the same rail
(although
quite a few O scale modelers back then used the even more comical code #172) to
accomodate AF wheelsets and drivers. That long ago there was very little true
scale S. Peare was located in New Jersey as I recall, and, I think, for a
while had the remains of the Westbrook car kit line.
Jace Kahn
General Manager
Ceres Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.
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From: hjsh...@mcn.org
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 00:54:17 +
Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
Hello Group
I have some S gauge No. 6 RH and LH switches made by Bob Peare Engineering
Corp.of Clifton NJ called Trackmaster. They are appear to be code 148.
They are closed frog and are mounted on fiber board ties. I also have a code
100 30 degree cross over that is not mounted on ties. These are a brass
alloy.
Does anyone know more about these? I want to sell them but don't know enough
about them.
Thanks
Howard
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Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
A 1952 catalog with something quite interesting in it's contents! I don't know
anything about this line... but I did find something interesting in the catalog
on the page titled Crossings... below the Good Layout Design header... we
see the term SCALE being used (in contrast to the term TINPLATE which is
also used on that page) to reference the more accurate and realistic looking
track being offered. This shows me that the term SCALE has been commonly
accepted as THE term to use in reference to realism for much longer than some S
scale enthusiasts would like to have to admit.
John Degnan
scaler...@comcast.net
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Does anyone know more about these? I want to sell them but
don't know enough about them.
I found this:
http://www.sscalenews.com/downloads/bobpeare1952.pdf
Stan
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Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
Whoa! Gonna bookmark that page. I've got tons of the stuff hanging around.
Enough to make a sizable layout.
Howard, if you find a buyer let me know and maybe I can unload it.
Ben Trousdale
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Baker bakert@... wrote:
Peare did indeed offer Af compatible S track and turnouts with Code 172 rail.
He also offered track and turnouts for S scale in Code 125. I recall their
being advertised decades ago in MR or RMC.
Tom
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Dear Howard
I'd guess the Peare are more than fifty years old, probably going on sixty.
He mostly made O scale track, so these are probably from some of the same
rail (although
quite a few O scale modelers back then used the even more comical code #172)
to accomodate AF wheelsets and drivers. That long ago there was very little
true
scale S. Peare was located in New Jersey as I recall, and, I think, for a
while had the remains of the Westbrook car kit line.
Jace Kahn
General Manager
Ceres Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.
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From: hjsheff@...
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 00:54:17 +
Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
Hello Group
I have some S gauge No. 6 RH and LH switches made by Bob Peare Engineering
Corp.of Clifton NJ called Trackmaster. They are appear to be code 148.
They are closed frog and are mounted on fiber board ties. I also have a
code 100 30 degree cross over that is not mounted on ties. These are a
brass alloy.
Does anyone know more about these? I want to sell them but don't know
enough about them.
Thanks
Howard
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{S-Scale List} Turnouts
Hello Group I have some S gauge No. 6 RH and LH switches made by Bob Peare Engineering Corp.of Clifton NJ called Trackmaster. They are appear to be code 148. They are closed frog and are mounted on fiber board ties. I also have a code 100 30 degree cross over that is not mounted on ties. These are a brass alloy. Does anyone know more about these? I want to sell them but don't know enough about them. Thanks Howard Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Turnouts and Yards.
I had a rather exciting day; I rebuilt my Staging Exchange yard area. Some years ago I built a large shelf over the S/E yard and it never was easily accessible. Now you can see the yard and it is a easily accessible. (All of the turnouts in the yard are manual.) Next up is to clean and detail it. I also have to box/store about 20 more freight cars so as to make more room to run trains through the yard. Unlike Frank Titman's excellent barge shelved storage racks, or the one I really like, Ed Loizeaux's train storage cabinet, I store my off the layout equipment in special boxes made for such a purpose. The boxes are marked and I know what is stored in each one, as I have a card inventory system. Each box stores roughly 18 cars. Locomotives are stored on the layout, like the prototype, at the engine house and diesel yards. It has been a long time since I've spent an entire day model railroading. Feel's great! Bill (FRaley) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and Yards.
A storage area is only as good as my designer Kathy Ireland book case I use for
my layout trains. LOL
Really, found this really nice oak book case, as I was able to get additional
shelves and Kathy designed it just for me. Right.
Now my train room has class.
Mike
From: Willam Fraley
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:57 PM
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Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and Yards.
I had a rather exciting day; I rebuilt my Staging Exchange yard area. Some
years ago I built a large shelf over the S/E yard and it never was easily
accessible. Now you can see the yard and it is a easily accessible. (All of
the turnouts in the yard are manual.)
Next up is to clean and detail it. I also have to box/store about 20 more
freight cars so as to make more room to run trains through the yard.
Unlike Frank Titman's excellent barge shelved storage racks, or the one I
really like, Ed Loizeaux's train storage cabinet, I store my off the layout
equipment in special boxes made for such a purpose. The boxes are marked and
I know what is stored in each one, as I have a card inventory system.
Each box stores roughly 18 cars. Locomotives are stored on the layout, like
the prototype, at the engine house and diesel yards.
It has been a long time since I've spent an entire day model railroading.
Feel's great!
Bill (FRaley)
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{S-Scale List} Turnouts available
Troops, Didn't sell as many turnouts at Spring Spree as I thought I might so I have a limited number of Code 100 #4's, 6's and 8's available. These are unmounted but ties are included. Mounting possible for extra charge. Please contact me off list for details. Still had a good time, pretty good crowd and suprising number of scalers there. _rxman46321@aol.com_ (mailto:rxman46...@aol.com) John Griffin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} turnouts
Dick makes a good point on the number 6, it is too short however, I have these placed all over on my layout, on industrial spurs and they work just fine. I have a Fast Tracks number 5 jig that I am using to make new turnouts and again, these are just great in my industrial areas. I don't use long wheelbase locomotives, a majority of my freight cars are 40 foot with some 50 foot and a couple of special use cars that are longer. The special use cars do not visit my tight industrial spurs. I even hate to say but I have a spur with an approach curve so tight that an SW-1 and 40 foot boxcar don't like it, I never send 50 foot cars there. It is what I had to do to get the scene. Dave Hamilton of the PPSSW has the 6's and 8's in his switching layout and they work great. He likes them because he can change the track work anytime he wants. and that has been every four or five months. When I have some spare time, I do some maintenance on the 6's and 8's adding in a new throw bar, powering the diverging rails and isolating the frogs. It is not necessary but I think it makes them a bit more DCC friendly. Again Dave does not do this, he just keeps his track and turnouts clean. What a concept! Dick's point is also good on the Tomalco. these are good turnouts but you should check all of the critical dimensions. Ken Zieska Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} turnouts for sale
I have 2 pairs of BK Code 125 #10 turnouts for sale. I bought them on speculation on eBay last year. I now see that any # 10 I may use will be made with SHS rail and my Fast Tracks kit. All are mint in the package. Make me an offer. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} turnouts
Mike, Welcome to the group. We love newbies especially if you are coming from a smaller scale! If you intend to go SCALE meaning not using American Flyer or hi-rail wheels, and use code 70 to 100 I would recommend Tomalco http://www.tomalcotrack.com for flex track and turnouts. If you previously liked to make your own turnouts you could consider Fast Tracks. http://www.handlaidtrack.com/s-scale-a/172.htm I am making my layout bigger now and am using both. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/ http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR THS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com/ http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com/ http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Turnouts for Sale - Update
Most of my turnouts have been sold, however, I still have the following available: Whiteoak Models, #6, $30 each, new. Included are Kappler Kontour Ties to use as shims. There are 1 left hand and 4 rights still available. These are the bulletproof ones that got rave reviews on this list. Old Pullman left curved, 30/48 radius, $18, new in package. I'll include enough ties for $2 extra if you need them. This switch comes with a tie template. Postage is extra. Thanks for all of your interest. Roger Nulton Tacoma, WA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
Perhaps, but since the goal is consistent and repeatable functionality and
cross-compatability, which has certainly been achieved by the majority of HO
track manufacturers, I would say the NMRA standards are irrelevent.
Ed Kozlowsky
Sanford, Maine
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From: Ed loize...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
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Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 11:31 PM
On my layout, I am using Fast Tracks turnouts and in my opinion, they are
superb to anything currently available in RTR or kit form.
Danny Click
I have heard from some HO fellas who are in the NMRA that the NMRA recently did
a survey of all known HO turnouts (not kits) and concluded that none of them
met ALL of the NMRA standards. Not a single one. I presume the Fast Tracks
fixtures will enable folks to build a correct turnout if they want to do it
right. This seems, to me, to be a somewhat sad state of affairs in the hobby
today. Ed L.
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--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Kozlowsky soldado7...@... wrote: snip I would say the NMRA standards are irrelevent. Ed Kozlowsky Ed, if you are a manufacturer that's a scary statement! SHS, RRM and others design and build models with wheel sets set to current NMRA/NASG standards to run on trackwork built to those standards. When the standards get wishy-washy, problems are bound to happen. I recall Ed Loizeaux used to (and I assume he still does) require others to check wheel alignment on any item they want to run on his layout. Obtaining and learning how to use the appropriate track and wheel standards gauge is vital... I can tell you lots of stories of people buying product and saying, it derails all the time in switches. O.K., do you won a track and wheel standards gauge and have you checked wheels and turnouts to confirm they are in gauge? Answer - No The thought crosses my mind - this guy might want to reconsider S scale operation... Good rule to follow: inspect what you expect. Jim Kindraka Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
I second Jim's observation--model railroading would never have been a viable
hobby without the NMRA standards!
Fred Tolhurst
Maryville, TN
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Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Kozlowsky soldado7...@... wrote:
snip I would say the NMRA standards are irrelevent.
Ed Kozlowsky
Ed, if you are a manufacturer that's a scary statement! SHS, RRM and others
design and build models with wheel sets set to current NMRA/NASG standards to
run on trackwork built to those standards. When the standards get
wishy-washy, problems are bound to happen. I recall Ed Loizeaux used to (and
I assume he still does) require others to check wheel alignment on any item
they want to run on his layout. Obtaining and learning how to use the
appropriate track and wheel standards gauge is vital...
I can tell you lots of stories of people buying product and saying, it derails
all the time in switches. O.K., do you won a track and wheel standards gauge
and have you checked wheels and turnouts to confirm they are in gauge? Answer
- No The thought crosses my mind - this guy might want to reconsider S scale
operation... Good rule to follow: inspect what you expect.
Jim Kindraka
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Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
OK, let me put it another way. Either the NMRA is giving approval to
non-compliant turnouts, they don't require all of the standards to be met for
approval, they haven't approved any HO turnouts, or the rumor that no HO
turnouts comply is incorrect. I suspect the last.
My first statement is not to be taken out of context, nor streched to
unwarrented conclusions. I was responding to a specific statement. No current
turnouts meet NMRA standards. If that statement was true, and the vast
majority of HO turnouts work fine and are perfectly interchangeable, clearly
whether or not a turnout meets all of the NMRA requirements is irrelevant.
Model railroading was a viable hobby long before NMRA standards. It simply
appealed to a different kind of hobbyist.
Ed Kozlowsky
Sanford, Maine
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I second Jim's observation--model railroading would never have been a viable
hobby without the NMRA standards!
Fred Tolhurst
Maryville, TN
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--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Kozlowsky soldado7...@... wrote:
snip I would say the NMRA standards are irrelevent.
Ed Kozlowsky
Ed, if you are a manufacturer that's a scary statement! SHS, RRM and others
design and build models with wheel sets set to current NMRA/NASG standards to
run on trackwork built to those standards. When the standards get
wishy-washy, problems are bound to happen. I recall Ed Loizeaux used to (and
I assume he still does) require others to check wheel alignment on any item
they want to run on his layout. Obtaining and learning how to use the
appropriate track and wheel standards gauge is vital...
I can tell you lots of stories of people buying product and saying, it derails
all the time in switches. O.K., do you won a track and wheel standards gauge
and have you checked wheels and turnouts to confirm they are in gauge? Answer
- No The thought crosses my mind - this guy might want to reconsider S scale
operation... Good rule to follow: inspect what you expect.
Jim Kindraka
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--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Kozlowsky soldado7...@... wrote: Either the NMRA is giving approval to non-compliant turnouts, they don't require all of the standards to be met for approval, they haven't approved any HO turnouts, or the rumor that no HO turnouts comply is incorrect. I suspect the last. Hi Ed, I've read some magazine articles about test measurements on HO turnouts and the inconsistencies are there but they are mostly minor measurements that don't affect the operation since there is so much room for error in the wide wheel/ big flange combination of toy trains. Sure the NMRA targets are nice to aim for but unless one is running P87 they are pretty much overkill for HO trains and would add to the cost of the turnouts due to the finer tolerances and controls required without providing any real benefit to operations. Anyone who's run HO trains on the old Atlas snap track will already know that they run fine on very crude track ...dave Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
There are NO comerically made track switches that meet the standards!. MR did a
three part article in 03 (I think) and their numbers proved my point.
Fasrtracks is the closest to meeting them. Remember that you are building a
switch on PC ties Building switches on PC ties is the only way to go in my
oppinion. You can build any size frog that your layout needs using the PC
method.
Paul
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To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
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--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Kozlowsky soldado7...@... wrote:
Either the NMRA is giving approval to non-compliant turnouts, they don't
require all of the standards to be met for approval, they haven't approved
any HO turnouts, or the rumor that no HO turnouts comply is incorrect. I
suspect the last.
Hi Ed, I've read some magazine articles about test measurements on HO
turnouts and the inconsistencies are there but they are mostly minor
measurements that don't affect the operation since there is so much room for
error in the wide wheel/ big flange combination of toy trains. Sure the NMRA
targets are nice to aim for but unless one is running P87 they are pretty much
overkill for HO trains and would add to the cost of the turnouts due to the
finer tolerances and controls required without providing any real benefit to
operations. Anyone who's run HO trains on the old Atlas snap track will already
know that they run fine on very crude track ...dave
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RE: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
I agree completely. I've installed a couple dozen code 70s that perform very
well after some gauge and guard rail adjustments as mentioned. Even with the
tweeking it takes me about 15-20 minutes to install one. Let's remember that
the original questions was looking for drop in RTR code 100 #6s.
Ed Kozlowsky
Sanford, Maine
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From: Bert Cutler bertcut...@hotmail.com
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To: s-scale@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 31, 2010, 12:45 PM
I had 50 Tomalco turnouts on my last layout and didn't have a single issue
after some minor tweaking, which is required of every turnout I have ever
tried. The Tomalco turnouts are the best in my opinion.
Bert CutlerCincinnati, Ohio
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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 05:22:17 +
Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
I have 18 Tomalco turnouts on my layout. The rails on every one of them
were out of gauge and all the back to back spacing on the guard rails were bad.
Towards the end of the Tomalcos I was de-soldering the guardrails, prior to
installing the turnout, and using PC ties soldering the guardrails after
getting the rails in gauge. They have been a lot of work to get in gauge. Greg
Elems has helped with that effort and also donated a Fast Track # 6 which works
perfectly. I also have 2 Custom Trax #6's which are also excellent. I have a BK
Enterprises Wye which I installed on the ties that were supplied, much faster
than repairing the problems with the Tomalco, cheaper and it works just fine.
John Currie
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Kozlowsky soldado7...@... wrote:
Perhaps someone could explain why Don Heimburger is the only S supplier who
routinely gets insulted with no comment.
Ed Kozlowsky
Sanford, MaineÂ
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To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
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--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Edward Loizeaux Loizeaux@ wrote:
Gents...A friend just sent me an email regarding turnouts which got me to
thinking? Is there a ready-to-run (RTR) #6 turnout in S scale using code
.100 rail which meets ALL of the NASG specifications?
Doesn't Hamburger house sell a shinohara #6 ? Don't know what specs it's
built to but I imagine a scale wheeled piece of equipment could run on a
shinohara? If they are built like the old HO shinoharas they should be nice
but would need the frog insulated for DCC? dave
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Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
Turnouts the Original question: I would say try the Custom Trax turnout. He
does need lead time but they truly are RTR. I'm glad there are folks who have
had success with Tomalco with some tweaking. I would have been pleased to have
just had to tweak. As always have your NASG gauge handy. I will say my Tomalco
code 100 and code 83 flextrack from Tomalco are great. John Currie
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Kozlowsky soldado7...@... wrote:
I agree completely. I've installed a couple dozen code 70s that perform very
well after some gauge and guard rail adjustments as mentioned. Even with the
tweeking it takes me about 15-20 minutes to install one. Let's remember that
the original questions was looking for drop in RTR code 100 #6s.
Ed Kozlowsky
Sanford, Maine
--- On Sat, 7/31/10, Bert Cutler bertcut...@... wrote:
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Subject: RE: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
To: s-scale@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 31, 2010, 12:45 PM
I had 50 Tomalco turnouts on my last layout and didn't have a single issue
after some minor tweaking, which is required of every turnout I have ever
tried. The Tomalco turnouts are the best in my opinion.
Bert CutlerCincinnati, Ohio
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From: jgcur...@...
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 05:22:17 +
Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
I have 18 Tomalco turnouts on my layout. The rails on every one of them
were out of gauge and all the back to back spacing on the guard rails were
bad. Towards the end of the Tomalcos I was de-soldering the guardrails, prior
to installing the turnout, and using PC ties soldering the guardrails after
getting the rails in gauge. They have been a lot of work to get in gauge.
Greg Elems has helped with that effort and also donated a Fast Track # 6
which works perfectly. I also have 2 Custom Trax #6's which are also
excellent. I have a BK Enterprises Wye which I installed on the ties that
were supplied, much faster than repairing the problems with the Tomalco,
cheaper and it works just fine. John Currie
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Kozlowsky soldado7264@ wrote:
Perhaps someone could explain why Don Heimburger is the only S supplier who
routinely gets insulted with no comment.
Ed Kozlowsky
Sanford, MaineÂ
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From: ctxmf74 ctxm@
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Is there one...??
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 1:33 PM
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--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Edward Loizeaux Loizeaux@ wrote:
Gents...A friend just sent me an email regarding turnouts which got me to
thinking? Is there a ready-to-run (RTR) #6 turnout in S scale using code
.100 rail which meets ALL of the NASG specifications?
Doesn't Hamburger house sell a shinohara #6 ? Don't know what specs it's
built to but I imagine a scale wheeled piece of equipment could run on a
shinohara? If they are built like the old HO shinoharas they should be nice
but would need the frog insulated for DCC? dave
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Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
Either the NMRA is giving approval to non-compliant turnouts, they don't require all of the standards to be met for approval, they haven't approved any HO turnouts, or the rumor that no HO turnouts comply is incorrect. Ed Kozlowsky Can anyone tell us exactly which HO turnouts currently have the NMRA football conformance seal? Just curious here...Ed L. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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NONE as far as I know! Paul Can anyone tell us exactly which HO turnouts currently have the NMRA football conformance seal? Just curious here...Ed L. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Turnouts
I have heard that Custom Trax has made improvements to their product. Until I see someone install this system and have it work through several seasons of train running I will rely on my experience on a local layout and suggest that this system be avoided. I have seen folks go all crazy because you can tie the track in a knot or some such thing but the examples I have seen installed don't curve well and the turnouts are not reliable. The owner of the layout who tried these parts when first on the market has also suffered terrible customer service. Tomalco or Shinohara flex track and fast track made turnouts are operationally the best solution in my experience. 15 minutes of work on the Shinohara turnouts makes a reliable and durable turnout. What is a reasonable price for an IC WA Drake gondola, I know where one is.. Ken Zieska Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
It isn't just our MRR hobby. We recently purchased a new travel trailer. Plenty
not quite right but worst is the breaks. They pulsate or bounce when
applied, especially on a slow stop. So far the dealer has replaced all four
brake drums (out of round) and one scored axle. Now the brake supplier is
shipping out a new second axle and a complete replacement brake system
including pads springs etc. I feel sorry for the dealer. He's got another new
one on the lot that has the same problem. You'd think the trailer manufacturer
would at least test drive/pull a new trailer before shipping it. And this is a
name brand!
Chuck Porter
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Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:31 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
On my layout, I am using Fast Tracks turnouts and in my opinion, they are
superb to anything currently available in RTR or kit form.
Danny Click
I have heard from some HO fellas who are in the NMRA that the NMRA recently
did a survey of all known HO turnouts (not kits) and concluded that none of
them met ALL of the NMRA standards. Not a single one. I presume the Fast Tracks
fixtures will enable folks to build a correct turnout if they want to do it
right. This seems, to me, to be a somewhat sad state of affairs in the hobby
today. Ed L.
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Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
I used lots of BK's years ago since there wasn't much else out there,
especially in 125. Most of them had to be redone but it was faster than scratch
building. Original Tomalcos were OK as were Eschleman years ago. Larry's first
Tomalcos were as John says but his later ones have been much better in my
experience. Billy Wade had some that wern't bad but they disappeared from the
market. Wish Fast Tracks had been around years earlier.
Chuck Porter
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Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 12:22 AM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
I have 18 Tomalco turnouts on my layout. The rails on every one of them were
out of gauge and all the back to back spacing on the guard rails were bad.
Towards the end of the Tomalcos I was de-soldering the guardrails, prior to
installing the turnout, and using PC ties soldering the guardrails after
getting the rails in gauge. They have been a lot of work to get in gauge. Greg
Elems has helped with that effort and also donated a Fast Track # 6 which works
perfectly. I also have 2 Custom Trax #6's which are also excellent. I have a BK
Enterprises Wye which I installed on the ties that were supplied, much faster
than repairing the problems with the Tomalco, cheaper and it works just fine.
John Currie
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Kozlowsky soldado7...@... wrote:
Perhaps someone could explain why Don Heimburger is the only S supplier who
routinely gets insulted with no comment.
Ed Kozlowsky
Sanford, MaineÂ
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Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Is there one...??
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 1:33 PM
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--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Edward Loizeaux Loizeaux@ wrote:
Gents...A friend just sent me an email regarding turnouts which got me to
thinking? Is there a ready-to-run (RTR) #6 turnout in S scale using code
.100 rail which meets ALL of the NASG specifications?
Doesn't Hamburger house sell a shinohara #6 ? Don't know what specs it's
built to but I imagine a scale wheeled piece of equipment could run on a
shinohara? If they are built like the old HO shinoharas they should be nice but
would need the frog insulated for DCC? dave
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{S-Scale List} turnouts
I've got around 25 of the Tomalco's Code 100's and thought they were less work (time to install) than Fast Tracks. Engines are running fine through them, but did adjust gauge on some. I would think that Shinohara would be fine but a bear for adjusting to DCC. No experience with the others. George Courtney Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Turnouts for Sale
Since we are on the subject, now that I am nearing completion of the trackwork on my layout, I have determined that I have an excess of turnouts: Whiteoak Models, # 6, $30 each, new. I will provide Kappler Kontour Ties to use as shims. (have 5L 8R) Shinohara, # 6, $14 each, slightly used, no boxes. (have 5L 8R) Old Pullman LH curved 30/48 radius, $18. BK LH curved 38//42 radius, $22. Postage extra, but I won't skin you for packing and boxes! Will consider offers if you want quantities. Contact me off list if these interest you. Roger Nulton Tacoma, WA roger.nul...@comcast.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed loize...@... wrote: Either the NMRA is giving approval to non-compliant turnouts, they don't require all of the standards to be met for approval, they haven't approved any HO turnouts, or the rumor that no HO turnouts comply is incorrect. Ed Kozlowsky Can anyone tell us exactly which HO turnouts currently have the NMRA football conformance seal? Just curious here...Ed L. The NMRA's web site has a listing of all conformance warrants. Bachmann EZ track #5 right, left, and wye turnouts have one as well as the EZ track #6 right turnout, left turnout, and single crossover. The numbers are 1999-53, -54, -57 Paul Tenney Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Turnouts
On my layout, I am using Fast Tracks turnouts and in my opinion, they are superb to anything currently available in RTR or kit form. Danny Click I have heard from some HO fellas who are in the NMRA that the NMRA recently did a survey of all known HO turnouts (not kits) and concluded that none of them met ALL of the NMRA standards. Not a single one. I presume the Fast Tracks fixtures will enable folks to build a correct turnout if they want to do it right. This seems, to me, to be a somewhat sad state of affairs in the hobby today. Ed L. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: s-scale-dig...@yahoogroups.com s-scale-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: s-scale-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Turnouts
I have 18 Tomalco turnouts on my layout. The rails on every one of them were
out of gauge and all the back to back spacing on the guard rails were bad.
Towards the end of the Tomalcos I was de-soldering the guardrails, prior to
installing the turnout, and using PC ties soldering the guardrails after
getting the rails in gauge. They have been a lot of work to get in gauge. Greg
Elems has helped with that effort and also donated a Fast Track # 6 which works
perfectly. I also have 2 Custom Trax #6's which are also excellent. I have a BK
Enterprises Wye which I installed on the ties that were supplied, much faster
than repairing the problems with the Tomalco, cheaper and it works just fine.
John Currie
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ed Kozlowsky soldado7...@... wrote:
Perhaps someone could explain why Don Heimburger is the only S supplier who
routinely gets insulted with no comment.
Ed Kozlowsky
Sanford, MaineÂ
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--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Edward Loizeaux Loizeaux@ wrote:
Gents...A friend just sent me an email regarding turnouts which got me to
thinking? Is there a ready-to-run (RTR) #6 turnout in S scale using code
.100 rail which meets ALL of the NASG specifications?
Doesn't Hamburger house sell a shinohara #6 ? Don't know what specs it's
built to but I imagine a scale wheeled piece of equipment could run on a
shinohara? If they are built like the old HO shinoharas they should be nice
but would need the frog insulated for DCC? dave
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{S-Scale List} Turnouts and freelancing
All -- Two questions were asked; here are my personal answers... Turnout jigs force one to always use the same size turnouts unless you have lots of $$ to invest in four or five pairs of jigs. Turnout jigs also produce cookie-cutter turnouts -- not always conducive to fluid, sweeping trackwork. I build turnouts in place to suit the situation. Generally I use prototype dimensions for frog, points, and length from point tip to frog point, but not always. Some of mine are curved. Some have tracks crossing through them. I have stated many times before that building crossings and turnouts in place is relatively easy -- often quicker than forcing a commercial turnout into special duty. I have given clinics on my methods and have written articles too. I freelance, sort of. The New York, Westchester Boston was a real heavy-electric railroad that competed with the NYNHH, was bought by the NYNHH, and was systematically dismantled (mostly) by the NYNHH. My railroad represents an alternate history in which the NYWB was not purchased. Instead it has become a dominant Northeastern railroad, causing the NYC/BA to reach Boston via NYWB trackage rights. The NYWB has two main lines that cross -- New York City to Springfield MA and then on to Boston, and NYNHH to Troy, NY and then on to Montreal. I model the portion where the two lined cross, sharing right-of-way for a few miles through Cornwall Bridge, CT. The New York-to-Springfield line is single-track anthracite steam with Wootten fireboxes (no diesels); the other line is double-track, electric only except for switching by steam (no diesels). I also model a few feet of the electrified Troy-Boston double-track main line, electrified of course. My setting is the 1940s-'50s. The New York Central and New Haven have trackage rights over portions of the NYWB. They are allowed to run diesels. Dick Karnes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} turnouts
O/K you got to me! There is nothing wrong with a Shinohara turnout that a few ninutes of your time cant fix.WE should be thankful that we have such a great switch! Most of the problems are from the rivet in the center of the throwbar, in some cases it is pressed in to hard, causing the bar to bend in a slight V. The curved point rail will then be out of gauge. The first thing I do is drill out the rivit and throw out the old throwbar. I make a new one from Radioshak circute board material , the September issue of S Gaugian has a article on this. Hint, clamp the intact points to the new throwbar before you cut them apart ,drill and tap them at this point, this will keep the factory clearances.The Tortoise switch machine is the best way to go,but the .025 wire is to lite, replace it with .032 and you will never pick a point again. If you need help,lets talk about it. Have fun, Bob Spaulding [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} turnouts
I've used the same trick of replacing the weak wire in HO. I've found that I like the hands on of manual throws however. Unless of course the turnout is hidden or way out of reach. I've saved a few Tortoises for just such an evantuallity. Ed Kozlowsky robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: O/K you got to me! There is nothing wrong with a Shinohara turnout that a few ninutes of your time cant fix.WE should be thankful that we have such a great switch! Most of the problems are from the rivet in the center of the throwbar, in some cases it is pressed in to hard, causing the bar to bend in a slight V. The curved point rail will then be out of gauge. The first thing I do is drill out the rivit and throw out the old throwbar. I make a new one from Radioshak circute board material , the September issue of S Gaugian has a article on this. Hint, clamp the intact points to the new throwbar before you cut them apart ,drill and tap them at this point, this will keep the factory clearances.The Tortoise switch machine is the best way to go,but the .025 wire is to lite, replace it with .032 and you will never pick a point again. If you need help,lets talk about it. Have fun, Bob Spaulding [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Turnouts......
There is nothing wrong with a Shinohara turnout that a few ninutes of your time can't fix. snip Most of the problems are from the rivet in the center of the throwbar, in some cases it is pressed in too hard, causing the bar to bend in a slight V. The curved point rail will then be out of gauge. The first thing I do is drill out the rivit and throw out the old throwbar. I make a new one from Radioshack circuit board material , the September issue of S Gaugian has an article on this. Hint, clamp the intact points to the new throwbar before you cut them apart, drill and tap them at this point, this will keep the factory clearances. The Tortoise switch machine is the best way to go, but the .025 wire is to lite, replace it with .032 snip Have fun, Bob Spaulding --- BobIs the above what you think a newcomer to the hobby wants to do with his limited time? While everything you mentioned is doable, can you truly envision a teenager, or young adult, with enthusiasm for trains choosing S if he knew in advance this is what it took to make a turnout work? And also knowing that HO, N, and O did not require such efforts? I think the intent of the turnout discussion is to obtain a RTR turnout that can be used merely by fastening it down to a flat surface. The world is not full of craftsman like you and Dick Karnes. Give the typical younger guy a chance to do something easy in S with a RTR turnout -- with integral motor already installed -- and maybe more folks will choose S instead of HO. Just an opinion of course. To make things worse, my layout is fully turnout-ized and so I am not a potential customer for any kind of turnout any more. Cheers...Ed L. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} turnouts
To Ed and the S gang, My comments about the Shinohara turnouts were for the S-scale group, not for someone starting out. S Helper makes a great track for that, it looks good and runs great. The no. 3 switch is O/K for diesels, that is where most will start with. I hope Don will be able to come out with a no.5 soon. AS much as I would like to see some one come out with a new and better turnout, the cost would be out of sight.It looks like we will just have to make the best of what we have. once more ,have fun Bob Spaulding [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Turnouts and lines of thinking the buck stops here.
Hi all, In response to this posted by: Thomas Stoltz [EMAIL PROTECTED] tcalvin48 Dear S Gauge: I would like to request your help. I would like to know how I would go about ending this line of thinking: Posted by: David Dewey I am now of the opinion that it can't be done--too many compromises resulting in a switch that is unreliable in both modes--unless one is willing to live with a closed frog (and there are prototype closed frogs!). Well, since I started this line of thinking I guess it will end here. Ed L. suggested a loop with both curved and straight turnouts to demonstarte the compatibility issue. Sorry, that's only one test--turnouts also have to deal with cars being backed through them, both directions--long cars and short cars, talgo mounted couplers and body mounted couplers. Tom, if you have managed this, hats off to you, I was mearly expressing my opinion based on the lack of standards for all the different high rail and toy train wheel flanges, tread width and gauging. There are so many parameters!! My statement was not meant to be directed towards any person nor manufacturer!!! I hope this clears things up a litle. S'incerely, David Dewey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and who likes what kind of S stuff
This subject has been discussed before, like most others, but I am not sure
if I have seen a suggestion to start yet another S group: S-hi-scalers.
Sounds more like a mountain climbing club instead of a model railroad
interest group...
But in point of fact, I am on both S scale and S trains list because I am a
hybrid hi-scaler. Stuff on both lists has interest for me.
I hasten to add that I am not volunteering to moderate such a group, but
would join if one were started.
Just a late night thought from Lenexa.
Roy Inman
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Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:56:46 -0700
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, ed_loizeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts)
Well said about Dick K. After all, he is an engineer (of the materials
variety) and as far as I know, he has no axe to grind.
I still think that the testing is a valid use of the talents of the NASG.
Brooks Stover is an excellent example of hi-rail scale, and I presume
(oh-oh) that there are others. Having said all that, this forum is
supposed to be about SCALE S, not hi-rail.
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{S-Scale List} Turnouts, Turnouts!
We in S scale have so many different kinds of turnouts on our layouts. On the Jefferson Central, there are my hand laid, Shinohara, modified Bob Peare and Midlin Models, Tomalco, Old Pullman and others?. Good Grief, it is hard to believe that the trains really run on it! But crazy as it sounds, the only thing my equipment is interested in, is, proper gauge and it getting juice! Oh sure, sometimes things go wrong, especially when you have a large group visiting, but over all it all works. The other day I backed into the Staging Yard a very large train headed up by two of those very big AM Trainmasters and all went well. I did find that I have two old switches in the staging yard that need replaced. But what is new about that? They have been that way for several years! This past Sunday our Lehigh Valley S Gaugers went on a layout visitation and the owner of this very nice computer operated HO layout is a perfectionist! Oh My, some of his trains de-railed! Tsk! Tsk! What was worse is that our LVSG base this past Sunday was at Bert Mahr's and we were running his beautiful S Scale CONRAIL EASTERN RAILROAD with full sound before going on our visitation! WOW! Well, I digress, anyway, I kept talking to the owner about the N scale people I knew, not realizing that his layout was in HO! Tsk! Tsk! Must be my age or a Senior moment? Hey, we're in S Scale and until someone like perhaps SHS Service - American Models comes up with a variety of true S scale switches, will we never be standardized! I guess what I'm trying to say is buy your switches [where ever!] , make sure they are in gauge before you lay them, and have fun! Have a good Day, Bill Fraley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and who likes what kind of S stuff
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, roy inman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I am on both S scale and S trains list because I am a hybrid hi-scaler. Stuff on both lists has interest for me. I am becoming a hybrid hi-scaler myself, Roy - out of necessity. Stuff on both lists has interest for me as well. On the one hand I think it would be a great idea to have a separate group just for us. On the other hand I don't think there is a large enough S population to support it. Yet another group would fragment us even more. Probably the best option for guys like us is to stay plugged into and contribute to the health growth of both Lists. Tim Brown Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Turnouts, my thoughts a suggestion
Hi all, After thinking over this subject and noting all the variables between the scale community, the High-rail community, and the Vintage community (a new term needing some qualifiying, for now I will call it traditional AF (ACG made, or Flyionel direct remakes of ACG items)). I now suspect that it is impossible to manufacture a turnout that will run RELIABLY all the variations, unless one is willing to live with closed frogs. Now there is a prototype closed frog, so it can be argued to be prototypical. The ones I've dealt with are a bit different from what we model, in that the frog is only closed in one position, and is sprung open for the deviating direction by the wheel flanges. These were primarly designed for high speed operation track with sidings. It seems that the wide variety of flange depth and width, sliding contact variations and gauging are just to diverse to succeed with an open frog. You might be able to create one that works most of the time, or even reliably with two different wheel standards, but not all 4 (at least, might be more) variables. Now for my suggestion (moderator mode, sorry y'all), Those who want to look into this further create a space off-list for this discussion. Maybe a temporary space, and once the data is analyized and some reasonable conclusions have been made, post both This List and the S-trains list with your results. All this AF/High rail talk has the rivet counters sweating!! :) Humor intended here!!! Life is too short to not laugh at it. I would create the space, but I'm not savy enough to do it--and I'm on 19K dial up--no youtube for me--UGH! No spell check either, hope this post isn't too ragged. S' David D. Run 'em if ya got 'em! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} turnouts
What an improvement in turnout selection we have now. IMO Shinohara set the stage with their fine turnouts years ago for scale modelers. With all this fuss, we in S have it better than O. In O the tinplate group have 3-rails and huge flanges. At least in S we are all 2-rail and Tom's effective modification allows both to run on the same layout. For my turnout needs, I went the Fast Tracks route and build my own. Now that I have a few under the belt, I'm ready to scratch build the ones that my jig won't fit. Even though time is of short supply, I found assembling the turnout in the FT jig was rather enjoyable and the turnouts preformed very nice. I have yet to test my #5 with the AM 4-8-4 but I do know that my AM SD60 down to my SHS SW-1 all run through my turnouts smoothly. I just wanted to mention the Fast Track jig as another possibility for turnouts. Not associated with Fast Tracks but a happy customer and user. Greg Elems [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
{S-Scale List} Turnouts and dead frogs
If you're building turnouts where the points are wired with the same polarity as the stock rails and the frog is totally isolated, must an effort be made to route power to the frog or can you get by reliably with a dead frog? DCC is planned, mechanical, push rod type turnout throws will be used, and the shortest loco wheelbase is an SHS SW-1. Can you rely on 8-wheel pickup to power the loco through the dead frog? Is running at low switching speeds in anyway compromised? If a whisker type microswitch to route DCC power to the frog is recommended, any suggestions for source/part number? Thanks. Stan Furmanak Annville, PA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: {S-Scale List} Turnouts and dead frogs
Dear Stan, When the CJSS built our original 16' module, we had insulated frogs. In those pre-American Models days (pre-NASG standards too), motive power was brass models or Miller switchers. Those without all wheel pickup on occasion would die on the frogs, but all wheel pickup changed all of this and problems with stalling engines are rare. Don PS Furmanak, Stan wrote: If you're building turnouts where the points are wired with the same polarity as the stock rails and the frog is totally isolated, must an effort be made to route power to the frog or can you get by reliably with a dead frog? DCC is planned, mechanical, push rod type turnout throws will be used, and the shortest loco wheelbase is an SHS SW-1. Can you rely on 8-wheel pickup to power the loco through the dead frog? Is running at low switching speeds in anyway compromised? If a whisker type microswitch to route DCC power to the frog is recommended, any suggestions for source/part number? Thanks. Stan Furmanak Annville, PA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
