Re: [scots-l] Legacy of the Scottish Fiddle Vol 2
I happen to have the CD in front of me so here's the track list: 1. Watson's Scotch Measure/Lady Mary Hay's Scotch Measuere 2. Muirland Willie/Hoop Her Gird Hir/Merrily Danced the Quaker's Wife/The Hemp Dresser 3. The Yellow-haired Laddie/Afton Water 4. Argyle Bowling Green/Earl of Hyndford's Reel/Miss Farquharson of Invercauld's Reel/Hon. Mrs. Campbell of Lochnell's Reel 5. Hey, Tutti, Tatie (Scot's Wha Hae) 6. The Beautiful Lover/Corn Rigs/Sic a Wife as Willie Had/Duncan Gray/Red House 7. O'er the Muir amang the Heather 8. The Miller's Daughter/My Wife's a Wanton Wee Thing/Deuks Dang ower My Daddie/I Hae a Wife 9. Ca' the Ewes 10. Invercauld's Reel/The Lea Rig/Rattlin' Roarin' Willie/Col. David Stewart of Garth 11. Killiecrankie 12. Loch Erroch Side/Rothiemurchie's Rant/Bonnie Lass of Fisherrow/Marquis of Queensberry 13. Lads of Leith/The Highway to Edinburgh 14. Miss Johnstone/Mr. Ferguson of Raith's Strathspey/Green Grow the Rashes/Tibby Fowler o' the Glen/The Drummer 15. My Nanie O 16. Sir Walter Scott/Dainty Davie/Mr. John Trotter of Castlelaw's Hornpipe 17. Wandering Willie/Major Graham of Inchbrakie/McLauchlange's Scots Measuere 18. Within a Mile of Edinburgh Town/Bonnie Wee Thing/Wha Can Help It 19. Cadgers in the Canongate/Bonnie Anne/The Highlandman Kissed his Mother/Push about the Jorum/Lady Mackintosh's Reel/Edinburgh Castle Reel/Up and Warn' A', Willie 20. For A' That an' A That (A Man's a Man) 21. Goodnight Joy Be wi' Ye A;/Gates of Edinburgh/The Bottom of the Punch Bowl/The Cairdin' o't -Steve Jack Campin wrote: I picked up a copy of Alasdair's new CD. It contains the tunes of the time of Robert Burns. So it isn't a cd of fiddle music. It's more a CD of instrumental versions of songs from that time. Could you post a track listing? - Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack * food intolerance data recipes, Mac logic fonts, Scots traditional music files and CD-ROMs of Scottish music. off-list mail to j-c rather than scots-l at this site, please Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] need help
I'm not sure I understand either of your questions but here's a good abc tutorial: http://www.lesession.co.uk/abc/abc_notation.htm . Good luck -Steve cv wrote: HI, I start to learn ABC with Mac OSX. How can I type a Barline to enter note?. I also can not change fonts to have this symbol . Thanks, Van Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: ABCs
I suspect it should be E dorian? -Steve Matt Seattle wrote: Nigel, are you sure you got the mode right for Cassino? Sounds decidedly odd IMHO! Best Matt Nigel Gatherer wrote: X:720 T:Heights of Cassino, The S:As played by Iain MacInnes (Smalltalk) Z:Nigel Gatherer M:6/8 L:1/8 K:Ador B/c/ | EEE EFA | c2e cBA | BBB B2A | BcB AFD | EEE EFA | c2e cBA | c2E c2B | A3- A2 :| c/d/ | ecA c3 | c2e cBA | BBB B2A | BcB AFD | ecA c3 | c2e cBA | c2E c2B | A3- A2 c/d/ | ecA c3 | c2e cBA | BBB B2A | BcB AFD | EEE EFA | c2e cBA | c2E c2B | A3- A2 || z| E3 FED | EEE c3 | c2e cBA | BcB AFD | E3 FED | EEE c3 | c2E c2B | A3- A2 :| c/d/ | ecA ABc | EEE c3 | c2e cBA | BcB AFD | ecA ABc | EEE c3 | c2E c2B | A3- A2 c/d/ | ecA ABc | EEE c3 | c2e cBA | BcB AFD | E3 FED | EEE c3 | c2E c2B | A3- A2 || -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] help please!
It's in Jerry Holland's (First) Collection. I can't remember, Eva; can you handle ABC? If so I can transcribe it from the collection for you if nobody else has it handy. His notes say First published in a G minor setting as The Lads of Leith in James Oswald's 'The Caledonian Pocket Companion (circa 1747). Later adapted as a song by Robert Burns. The A minor setting was introduced to the Cape Breton repertoire by Little Jack MacDonald. BTW, did you check Cranford's site at www.cranfordpub.com? They have a lot of abcs online for CB tunes that I don't think get indexed by JC's. -Steve Eva Aralikatti wrote: Hi there! does anyone by any chance have the sheetmusic of the beauties of the ballroom of the version that Jerry Holland plays on Master Cape Breton Fiddler...? I´m having a tough time figuring it out supposedly it´s also called the lads of leith, but both versions of that tune which found on the internet do not match Jerry Holland´s playing at all thanks a million! Eva -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] help please! (Steve)
X:1
T:Beauties of the Ballroom
C:Traditional
S:Jerry Holland's First Collection
Z:Steve Wyrick sjwyrickatastounddotnet 10-31-04
M:6/8
R:Jig
N:from Master Cape Breton Fiddler, 1982
K:Amin
efe edc|BcA ^G2E|ABc TdBG|1A3 Acd:|2A3 A2|:B|c2 c' c'ba|
gea Tg2e|TcBc age|dec TB2 G|TcBc dcd|edc BAG|Afe dcB|1A3 A2:|2A3 {e}oa3||
|:A,B,A, A,B,D|E3 {E^F}G3|G,A,G, G,2B,|{B,C}D3 {D}E3|A,B,A, A,B,D|E3
{^FG}A3|(4G^FED {F}G2B,|1A,3 {^FG}A3:|2A,3 A,2|]
Here it is; enjoy! That o chord marking at the end of the 2nd line is
supposed to denote an open harmonic for the a; he indicates a slide using
the 4th finger up from the e. I'm not sure if there's a way to show that in
abc. -Steve
Eva Aralikatti wrote:
Hi Steve,
thanks for digging this out for me.
Yes, I can handle abc, but don´t have a copy of Jerry Holland´s books... I
usually search via google and cranford´s comes up if it´s there
some how the lads of leith don´t seem to fit
I would be awfully greatful to you for a trnascribtion into abc
I just looked all over cranford´s site- can´t find the tune though .
Eva
At 21:31 31.10.2004, you wrote:
It's in Jerry Holland's (First) Collection. I can't remember, Eva; can you
handle ABC? If so I can transcribe it from the collection for you if nobody
else has it handy. His notes say First published in a G minor setting as
The Lads of Leith in James Oswald's 'The Caledonian Pocket Companion (circa
1747). Later adapted as a song by Robert Burns. The A minor setting was
introduced to the Cape Breton repertoire by Little Jack MacDonald.
BTW, did you check Cranford's site at www.cranfordpub.com? They have a lot
of abcs online for CB tunes that I don't think get indexed by JC's. -Steve
Eva Aralikatti wrote:
Hi there!
does anyone by any chance have the sheetmusic of the beauties of the
ballroom of the version that Jerry Holland plays on Master Cape Breton
Fiddler...?
I´m having a tough time figuring it out
supposedly it´s also called the lads of leith, but both versions of that
tune which found on the internet do not match Jerry Holland´s playing at
all
thanks a million!
Eva
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Re: [scots-l] Legacy of the Scottish Fiddle Vol 2
Actually most of the music on that CD _is_ dance music; the tune sets include reels, hornpipes, strathspeys, jigs scotch measures. When I heard it I realized I was familiar with many of these tunes from my fiddling for Scottish country and step dancers, and it was a little demoralizing because Alasdair plays them so much better than I can ever hope to! What I really like about this CD is that most of the tunes are simple enough that Alasdair's, Natalie's and Muriel's musicality and interpretive powers really come through. -Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Well, I wouldn't exactly call it instrumental versions of songs. Most of those tunes were around as fiddle music before Burns got to them and set songs to them! That's very true; when I spoke of fiddle music though, I was thinking more of the reels, jigs, strathspeys and airs that dominate the modern form, rather than the whole of everything that's ever been played on a fiddle. The tunes on CD are mostly melodies that don't seem to follow the form of dances or airs, which makes them sound different. I have only listened to the CD a couple times, so I'm sure there's stuff I didn't notice yet. I haven't read through the liner notes on V2 yet either. It's a little challenging because I got Alasdair and Natalie to autograph it and they wrote on the notes... I'll do some comparitive listening now that I know the fiddles are different. Bob Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Legacy of the Scottish Fiddle Vol 2
Well, I wouldn't exactly call it instrumental versions of songs. Most of those tunes were around as fiddle music before Burns got to them and set songs to them! Baroque-ish is a good description of the music; it has a very old feel to it in spite of using modern instruments. I found it interesting to compare this CD with his Fire Grace album which came out earlier this year. That one also features Natalie on cello but has a completely different feel: modern jazzy. Another fun thing is to compare the sound of Alasdair's fiddles; Legacy Vol. 2 features his old violin, a modern instrument by David Gusset; while Fire Grace has his new fiddle, a mid-18th century violin by Johann Ulrich Fichtl. I much prefer the tone of the Fichtl fiddle (!) to the Gusset, it has a wonderfully growly sound! I agree, I really like Legacy Vol. 2; I'm learning a lot from it. -Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I picked up a copy of Alasdair's new CD. It contains the tunes of the time of Robert Burns. So it isn't a cd of fiddle music. It's more a CD of instrumental versions of songs from that time. It has a less modern sound than anything else I can think of that Alasdair has done. It features Natalie Haas on cello and Muriel Johnstone on piano. They do a lot of baroque-ish stuff, which seems perfetly appropriate. I like it, and it's different from anything else I have. Bob -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] found something else, too...
I think JC's tunefinder indexes this site; I'd be surprised if it didn't... -Steve (this is more in the way of a test to find out if I can still post to the list; my last couple of postings seem to have gotten lost somewhere in cyberspace) Aye, thanks for the help Cliff, John and David! Works fine now on concertina.net! I will remember this thing with the spaces between lines for next time, when I copy something from the Fiddler´s Companion! By the way, it´s neat, how you all pop out of nowhere! :-) As to the abc´s of the Fraser Collection, the Athole Collection and the Skye Collection I found this website some time ago It´s better then having it in print... much faster to look up a tune in these files, then in my piles of printed collections... enjoy! http://flutesong.members.beeb.net/ABC-Music/ABC-Music.htm Eva -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Cameron Men
Me too! Any chance of posting some clips? presumably it's not still in production... i'd love to hear it! -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Anyone else going to Valley of the Moon?
I thought I'd ask if any other Scots-L'ers are attending the Valley of the Moon Scottish Fiddle School this year. I'm started to get excited about it, now that it's less than a week away; this will be my first time there! -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] New Tunebook
Congratulations on this, Nigel! I'd be interested to hear what's involved in putting something like this together; how you chose the tunes to include, what software you used to typeset it, etc. I'm definitely intrigued by Volume 2; looks like some interesting tunes in that one (volume 1 looks interesting as well; just that I already know most of those!). -Steve Nigel Gatherer wrote: My latest publication, a collection of Scottish tunes arranged in sets, has just been delivered from the printers. I have just completed volume two and I'll be getting that back within the next two weeks. I'll be creating a web page with much more detail - and I'll let you know when that's up - but in the meantime, the contents are below. I have to work out postage rates, and for overseas buyers I have set up a Paypal account, but that won't be active for a couple of weeks. I'll keep you all informed. I just wanted to say Hey, it's arrived! Oh, and I intend to record accompanying CDs with the books too...soon... -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: Skye Dance Reels (was: [scots-l] Questions)
Oh right; now that I actually bother to read the liner notes to Skyedance I see that Alasdair noted that most of the tunes on that album were taken from McDonald's collection, and from the Simon Fraser collection. I should have checked before I attributed the tunes to Alasdair! I wonder if the 2 Harris Dances are the two from the set on Skye Dance as well. As far as I can find out, the 2 tunes I tabbed are the only Skye Dances in the San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers' repertoire. If these aren't the ones it makes me wonder if there's a misprint on the SFSF CD's track list or something. -Steve Barbara wrote: Steve, Those are the Skye Dances in the Patrick McDonald Collection, p. 37, number 27 and 28 respectively. There are 2 other Skye Dances, 2 Western Isle Dances, and 2 Harris Dances also on that page. I can't write ABC myself, or I would translate them for you. BAarb -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Skye Dance Reels (was: [scots-l] Questions)
Hi Veda, I've been away a few days so am not sure if anyone responded to this yet. I don't have the SFSF CD but I do have the SFSF tune archive and I think the ones you want are just called Skye Dance I and Skye Dance II. If these are the ones, they're also on Alasdair's Skyedance CD (i.e., the one with Paul Machlis, not any of the ones with his group Skyedance! How confusing), on the 7th track (not the track actually called Skye Dance, which is track 3! See previous comment.). At any rate here are those tunes, as published in the archive. Note the 2nd one is a little strange, being 20 bars long (I did verify that this is what Alasdair plays on the recording; he repeats the tune several times on that track)! Hope this helps. Let me know if these aren't the tunes you need and I can check with club members who are more familiar with that CD and get the correct ones. -Steve X:1 T:Skye Dance I C:Alasdair Fraser S:San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers Tune of the month, 10/90 Z:Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8-17-04 L:1/8 M:C K:A |:AA2 eA c2 BA|GB2 BB Dd2 f2|AA2 eA c2 BA|GB2 BBdA AAe:| |:Aae ed c2 BA|AAA eAc2 e2|Aae ed c2 BA|GB2 BB DdA AAe:| X:2 T:Skye Dance II C:Alasdair Fraser S:San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers Tune of the month, 10/90 Z:Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8-17-04 L:1/8 M:C K:A |:Ae2 ee fe ef|Daf fe Ae2e2|Dff a=g f2 ee|Dfeedd2d2|\ Daf ff Aa2 ee|Dfe ed d2f2:| Ae2 e2 ec c2|Acc dce2e2|Ae2 e2 ec c2|AccdBA2A2| Ae2 e2 ec c2|Acc dce2e2|Ae2 e2 ec c2| cc GdB AA2A2|] madfiddler wrote: Anyone know the names or have abc's of the so-called Skyedance Reels on Alasdair Frazier's San Francisco Fiddlers CD (the green one). The reels follow Fingal's Cave. thanks veda -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Robt. Petrie's 2nd collection ABCs complete
No Dan, this is a different one altogether. I think the June message referred to the 1st collection, probably the version that includes the bass line. Petrie published 4 tunebooks in all; I'm slowly working my way through these... I think I've responded to everyone who has asked for a copy so far; if there's anyone who asked who I haven't got back to, please let me know. -Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that the same abc file you announced in June, or is this an update? Hmm, doesn't look like my earlier message got through to the list so I'll try again: I've finally completed my abc transcription (melody line only) of Robert Petrie's A Second Collection of Strathspey Reels c., 1795, which I'll send to anyone on the list who wants it. -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Robt. Petrie's 2nd collection ABCs complete
Hmm, doesn't look like my earlier message got through to the list so I'll try again: I've finally completed my abc transcription (melody line only) of Robert Petrie's A Second Collection of Strathspey Reels c., 1795, which I'll send to anyone on the list who wants it. This one has 70 tunes, a number of which have never been reprinted. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Dance book
You can find it in the Bookstore section of the RSCDS San Francisco Branch website, at http://www.rscds-sf.org/bkstore.html#Books (the devisors are local dancers). There's also contact info there for ordering it directly from Jo if you prefer. -Steve David Francis wrote: Do any of you US based dance fiddlers know where I can get hold of a book called 'Let's All Dance' by Jo Hamilton and Susie Langdon Kass? David Francis (44) (0)131 669 8824 Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: Introductions (was Re:[scots-l] Tune ID)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. If anyone's interested, there's a great collection of tunes (arranged as sets for RSCDS dancers) at this page: http://www.pixton.org/scdpw04/musicbook.html It includes that tune I posted earlier (Boston Urban Ceilidh), amongst many others (it's interesting to compare the proper version with mine...). I don't know how long the page will last, so have a look while you can! That was the music for the RSCDS Boston Branch Pinewoods camp; looks like they've removed all the music pages already, oh well. They note that a lot of the arrangements included copyrighted tunes so I suppose they were in a hurry to remove them. Too bad, I would have been interested. Reading through the schedule, I see they had a great group of teachers and musicians this year! That's another camp I'd like to get to one of these years although I'm not sure my feet could take it! Also thanks for the info on Rodney Miller; I'll definitely check his stuff out. I don't know much about New England style fiddling or Contradance fiddling; I guess this is my opportunity to learn something new. Alasdair tends to attract eclectic fiddlers; I guess that's no surprise! -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: two tunes
Hey, don't worry about it! Hanneke's one of our favorites here; she's from Port Orford, OR, but grew up attending Alasdair's Valley of the Moon fiddle camp here in the San Francisco Bay Area and is an adopted member of the San Francisco Scottish Fiddle club! Her CD of dance music with Dave Weisler, Many Happy Returns is a favorite of the local Scottish country dancers (at least, those who aren't tied to the idea that a good SCD album has to feature accordian); I frequently turn to that one for inspiration for my own dance fiddling. I don't think that anyone on this list will berate you for posting one of Hanneke's tunes; it's a nice change from those URGENT MESSAGES that have been so frequent on this list as of late! -Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: i wrote: T:Boston Urban Ceilidh um, it occurs to me that the tune i just posted is neither traditional nor scottish, and hence is probably off topic. sorry about that. (although in mitigation, can i say that the tune's composer does play in scottish style (strongly influenced by alasdair fraser)?) -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Shetland Fiddler, The
Nigel Gatherer wrote: Do any of you play this tune in a set? What other tunes do you play with it? X:686 T:Shetland Fiddler, The I don't think I've ever heard it before, but it's a nice tune; I'm looking forward to using it in a dance set. Thanks for posting, Nigel. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Fiddler's Companion
Both those links worked fine for me just now, but oh, Andrew! Can't you do something about the colors on your index page? That's a bit of a shock to see first thing in the morning! Also, there appears to be some broken links to graphics on the index and introduction pages... Lest I appear ungrateful, thanks for all your hard work on this; I refer to it all the time and it's one of the websites I don't think I could do without! Do you have a preferred way to accept cash donations (PayPal or something)? -Steve Dominique Renaudin said: Hi Andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: I am pleased to announce a new home for the Fiddler's Companion at http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers/index.html (I'm told that www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers works as well) These links don't seem to work this morning? ;-) -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Petrie's First collection abc's available
I've finally completed my abc transcription of Robert Petrie's first collection (this version has the melody line only, I'm still formatting the version that includes Petrie's bass line in a second voice). 52 tunes in all, most not currently available on the web (but I'm hoping John Chambers or someone else can help me find a place to put it so that JC's tunefinder can pick it up). Anyone who would like a copy send me an e-mail. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Old Rattray march
Hi John; no I haven't yet found anything on this. I have the other 2 Rattray tunes you mentioned (Miss Rattray of Dalrullzian (Jig) by Petrie, and Miss Rattray (Reel) from the Athole collection) but this is the first time I've encountered this one. My interest is on behalf of a friend who is a Rattray and is collecting tunes related to the clan for a Rattray clan gathering in Blairgowrie this Summer. I wonder if I'd be correct to assume that a tune with the name Old Rattray would have to date from after the early 1800's, when New Rattray was established? At any rate, I'll let you know if I come up with anything. -Steve John Chambers said: Hi, Steve. Did you learn anything about this tune? I have no information at all about it. I transcribed it a few years ago from a printed page that someone gave me, so I could play the tune at a gig. It was an Nth-generation copy of a printed page, but they didn't have the book, and the page didn't have any information about the book. It's not in any of my books. There are two Miss Rattray tunes, a reel and a jig, but neither is at all like this tune. Old Rattray is a town in the Grampians, of course. Anyway, if you have any info about the tune, send me a copy, and I'll add it to the tune's header. -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Old Rattray march
I'm trying to find some information on the tune Old Rattray. The version below came from JC's tunefinder but I've had no luck finding anything further. Can anyone help me with a source, composer, etc.? Thanks -Steve X: 1 T: Old Rattray R: march M: 4/4 L: 1/8 F:http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/Scotland/march/OldRattray_D.abc 2004-04-20 15:54:19 UT K: D g fe \ | d2 AA GF ED | FA AB Ag fe | d2 AA GF ED | fe ef eg fe | | d2 AA GF ED | GF GA Bg fe | dA GF GB AG | F2 D2 D2 fg || || ag fe d2 FA | GF GA Bg fg | ag fe df ad | f2 e2 e2 fg | | ag fe d2 FA | GF GA Bg fe | dA GF GB AG | F2 D2 D2 |] -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Petrie's collections
A belated thanks for all responses to my original note. I got a start on this project last week (One evening I sat down at the computer intending to transcribe a couple tunes but when I stopped I had 20 coded, or better than a third of Petrie's first tunebook!). I'm doing all the melody lines first, then will go back and add the bass lines later on. I'll keep Petrie's original keys and his ornaments, bow markings and comments. I expect my progress on this to be fairly erratic due to various upcoming commitments, though! I have a further question: these tunebooks seem to be inconsistent in noting which tunes were composed by Petrie and which were from other sources (in the first tunebook there's no authorship info so I assumed most tunes were Petrie's own, however I found several that I know to be traditional. In latter tunebooks he does better with attribution). I'd like to be able to include accurate authorship information, so am looking for a resource to provide this. I'm aware of Andrew Kunz's Fiddlers' Companion, but are there other resources online or in print that I should be using? -Steve Steve Wyrick said: I have a facsimile of Robert Petrie's tune books (thanks to Jan Tappan), which I think have never been reprinted, and I'm finding a lot of enjoyable tunes that don't show up in abc anywhere on the net. I'm thinking about starting a project to transcribe these books into abc but I thought I'd ask for some advice. First, does anyone know of an existing abc transcription or other electronic facsimile of Petrie's collections? I don't want to duplicate someone else's work. Second, these tunes are scored for melody plus bass line (Petrie says, suitable for Harpsichord or Cello); if I do pursue this project, is there value in transcribing the bass lines as well? Being a fiddler I don't normally deal with the bass clef but I'm sure I could figure it out! Any advice appreciated -Steve -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Petrie's collections
I have a facsimile of Robert Petrie's tune books (thanks to Jan Tappan), which I think have never been reprinted, and I'm finding a lot of enjoyable tunes that don't show up in abc anywhere on the net. I'm thinking about starting a project to transcribe these books into abc but I thought I'd ask for some advice. First, does anyone know of an existing abc transcription or other electronic facsimile of Petrie's collections? I don't want to duplicate someone else's work. Second, these tunes are scored for melody plus bass line (Petrie says, suitable for Harpsichord or Cello); if I do pursue this project, is there value in transcribing the bass lines as well? Being a fiddler I don't normally deal with the bass clef but I'm sure I could figure it out! Any advice appreciated -Steve -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Cretin Desires to Be Musical.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uill, Ian- I just want to let you know that I had the same question, so thank you for posting it. After placing an order for headphones and Prozac, my husband (he can't believe that he did this) ordered me a set of pipes for Christmas. I will have Gibson smallpipes within a week. The people at Gibson told me that it will come with information on how to use them, so I guess the first thing that I will do is read the booklet or whatever, and bumble around. I'm not very encouraged to hear that it is hard to learn how to play them, but I am patient and persistent. I will save your e-mail address, and if I find anything useful for us beginners, I will be sure to let you know. Cairistiona California I think that it's not that it's so hard to learn to play pipes (although obviously they have their challenges), but that it's difficult or impossible to learn to play them correctly without someone guiding you! A friend of mine is learning Highland pipes from a good piping teacher here and from what she tells me, apart from learning how to play the actual music there's a ton of fiddly little things to adjust to make them work right; for instance they spent about a year working through different combinations of drone reeds before they found a set that worked well with her pipes. She assumed she was doing something wrong and that's why the set was so hard to play, but when they finally got it sorted out she was surprised how much easier it was to make them sound. That's the kind of stuff you need an experienced piper to help you with. Good luck in your learning, Cairistiona! -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Burns Night
The local fiddle club had their Burns Night celebration on Sunday but as I had other commitments I missed it; I understand it was a great time. My dance group performed a show for a local community group who had a vague awareness of Robert Burns and thought it would be a nice idea to have some Scottish entertainment at their monthly meeting. We did our usual show which combines Highland, Ladies' Step and country dancing, and I fiddled (solo) for several dances in addition to participating in about 5 others (we used recorded music for most of the show); at least this time the dances for which I fiddled were all back to back, which made remembering what came next much easier than in our last performance which had me alternating between fiddling and dancing! We had some audience participation dances prepared but skipped them since it looked like the group wasn't very inclined to dance! No pipers, scotch or haggis to be seen, but it was still a fun show; they evidently liked us because they immediately invited us to come back again next year! -Steve Nigel Gatherer wrote: Once again I was in Killiecrankie witnessing a very fine Burns Night while being part of the entertainment. My trio sang and played some of our favourites (Anna is my love of the moment) and enjoyed Ron Greer's Tam o' Shanter, and basked in the friendly glow of a community event. Once all that was done my guitarist and I were asked to play for some dancing, which I was not prepared for. Help! The mandolin was no use (we were playing acoustically), so I was glad I had my penny whistle with me. I hastily scribbled down a few sets with keys so that the guitarist could busk along, and set about blasting the hall with sets suitable for The Gay Gordons, Dashing White Sergeant, Strip the Willow and waltzes. Man, it was braw, wi' nae a fiddle in sicht! Any other braw nichts oot there? -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] J.F. MacKenzie
I don't know of a recording, but for just a bare-bones idea you could paste the abc code into the Concertina.net Tune-O-Tron converter at http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html . This page will generate a midi file (with harmony, if Toby included chord notation) which will play back in QuickTime, Windows media player, etc., in addition to sheet music. Hope this helps -Steve Mary Umbarger wrote: I'm looking for a good strathspey in the key of A to arrange for the lever harp. I am looking at a copy (ABC) of J.F. MacKenzie that Toby Rider entered. I would like to hear it. does anyone know of a CD that has this on it - preferably with fiddle and guitar? Thanks, Mary Umbarger Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] William Marshall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The recent post about William Marshall made me wonder where I can buy books of his compositions. The closer to the original the better; best of all are copies of originals. Bob Rogers South Carolina The only collected Marshall I'm aware of is the Fiddlecase Books edition called Marshall's Scottish Melodies, Airs, Strathspeys, Reels, Jigs c. for the Violin. It's a repro of 4 volumes of his works (A Collection of Strathspeys, Reels.. published 1781, Kinrara, pub. 1800, Marshall's Scottish Airs pub. 1822, and Volume 2 of a Collection of Scottish Melodies... pub. 1845) but is problematic in that it's reproduced at probably less than 1/2 size, being about 6 x 8 inches in a spiral binding. Considering the quality of print of the originals wasn't all that great to begin with, this size makes it a little tough to sight-read the tunes. I've been tempted to photocopy and enlarge the whole thing to make it more usable but the publishers claim a copyright on the collection and I'm not sure if it's legit to reproduce it (considering it's simply a reproduction of the originals which are in public domain, plus a 1 page introduction, I don't see how their copyright is valid, but what do I know?). At any rate, Elderly Instruments has it for $12.35US; see http://www.elderly.com/books/items/38-3.htm . -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] William Marshall
Nigel Gatherer wrote:
27/12/1748:
There is a fiddler of this land
For whom I'm rather partial;
It's he, the Man o' Gordon Castle,
Unique and lauded, William Marshall!
Thanks for that reminder, Nigel, he composed some wonderful tunes. I spent
some time today fiddling through my Fiddlecase Books edition of Marshall's
Scottish Melodies etc. and found this one, which I haven't seen elsewhere:
X:1
T:Miss Jane McInnes, Dandaleith
C:William Marshall
B:Marshall's 2nd Collection
Z:Steve Wyrick
L:1/8
M:C
K:A
c|EEEF =G3B|AAAc e/d/c/B/ Ac|EEEF =G2-Gc/d/|ecdB cAAc|!
EEEF =G3B|AAAc e/d/c/B/ Ac|EEEF =G2-Gc/d/|ecdB cA A||!
g|a2 eg a/g/f/e/ cA|B=gdg B=G-Gf/^g/|aegb aecA|fagb aAAf/g/|!
aefd cecA|B=gdg B=GGB|cA A/A/A {g}a2 gb|a/g/f/e/ ae cA A||!
--
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Re: [scots-l] Laura Risk _Celtic Dialog_
Hi Bob, I agree with you about Laura; I attended a workshop she gave out here in Summer 2002 and she's a great teacher. I have her CD The Merry Making which I like quite a bit, but I was initially disappointed in it because I'd first heard her play for a dance I attended and her playing on the CD was nothing like what she did at the dance; that was much more spirited and jazzy, where the CD is more polished and much tamer. I suppose some of that is just the difference between sitting down in the studio and recording vs. playing live for a group of appreciative dancers! I think it's not that there aren't a lot of Scottish CDs out there (although I'll agree that there are probably a lot more Irish recordings); it's just that so many of them are so hard to find here in the States. I end up going online to MusicScotland.com for a lot of my purchases. Regarding performances of older tunes, have you heard Elke Baker? She's based more or less in your area, in Maryland. In addition to being a superb fiddler (former US National Scottish fiddle champion) she's a music scholar and tends to unearth fairly obscure old tunes; her CD liner notes have a lot of detailed info on tune sources history, etc. I own 2 CDs by her: Over the Border and Glenelg, and can recommend them both (of the 2, Over the Border is my current favorite but that might be because I only recently purchased it, whereas Glenelg has been on my frequently-played list for a couple years now). BTW, Elke is also the only fiddler I know who can simultaneously play and dance a Highland Fling! -Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi all, My dad bought me the CD _Celtic Dialog_ by Laura Risk for Christmas. When I saw the title, my first thought was ug. It's on Dorian, and was released in 1999. But I've been to a few workshops that Laura has done (she's a great teacher, if you ever get the chance). Anyway, I played the cd the other day, and it wasn't at all what I was expecting. I've got another of her CDs and the playing is more cosmopolitan, but this is just fiddle and piano. To my ears, the style is Scottish. I looked at the liner notes this morning, and she says the cd was inspired by David Johnsons book _Scottish Fiddle Music in the 18th Century_ (Which I've read twice now). She also says that all of the tunes are found in the book, but that thier approach in playing them was modern (as opposed to trying to recreate ancient music, I suppose). It's not like jazzy or anything. One of the tracks is William McGibbon's _Minuet in A_. I wonder if there are any other recordings of that ilk. There aren't that many CDs of Scottish fiddle music (compared to Irish, or Bluegrass, say) so I thought I'd mention it. I don't think it will ever be my favorite CD, but I like it well enough so far. Bob Rogers South Carolina -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Laura Risk _Celtic Dialog_
Toby Rider said: Don't get me wrong, those sterile types of recordings have their place (for Scottish Country Dance Teachers to rehearse their dancers), but they certainly aren't musically interesting. Wearing my dancer's hat (as well as fiddling for dancers, I do performance and social dancing in the San Francisco Branch of the RSCDS), it's my experience that any warmth and energy the musicians can impart to their recordings helps to energize the dancers, which makes for much better dancing! You're right that there are a lot of sterile SCD recordings out there (particularly some of the ones accompanying the Society publications) but they're usually as little fun to dance to as they are to listen to. There are certain ones my SCD teacher uses, typically because there isn't anything else available, that we always groan at; we might as well just be dancing to a metronome! Although Scottish dance recordings obviously need to be in strict tempo, and tend to be fairly repetitive by nature, I don't think that necessarily precludes being musically interesting; I have a few dance CDs at home that I enjoy just listening to (e.g. John Taylor/Andy Imbrie Live, Green Ginger Miss Ogilvie's Fancy). So really, I'd go further than you and argue that sterile recordings DON'T have their place (at least, not in SCD)! -Steve -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Cavehill abc's?
Can anyone help me with abc's for the jig Cavehill? It's supposed to be in Kerr's 3rd collection of Merry Melodies but I don't find abc's for it on the web. Any help would be appreciated; I need it for a dance class Friday (or else the class will be getting fiddler's choice). Thanks -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Auld Graden Kirn
This reminds me I had meant to write and thank Nigel for posting this tune! I'm always on the lookout for good waltzes for the dance classes I fiddle for--we use them for warmups and the last dance at the end of the evening--so I'm always happy to encounter new ones. Thanks Nigel! -Steve Philip Whittaker said: On 24 Nov, Nigel Gatherer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I listened in to a session at Fiddle 2003 on Saturday with Lori Watson, who played this very nice waltz. I knew I'd heard it before, but couldn't place it; when Ted Hastings told me Lori had called it Auld Granden Kirk I remembered it played by Border fiddler Tam Hughes. I love it. Nigel, great to hear that Borders music has its fans also that young exponents like Lori WAtson are being heard wider afield. Just a wee point. It's Kirn - end of harvest celebration. You are such a precise person, I'm sure you'd want me to let you know. Looking forward to your next quiz with it's hard questions and rigid scoring! Philip -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: scots-l-digest V1 #562
Mike McGeary said: Re: Alasdair Fraser pairs it with The Cowboy Jig (in A) on The Road... The problem with the Fraser pairing is that he plays Calliope House in D. I think you're wrong, Mike. The version he taught us (San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers) is in E. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: scots-l-digest V1 #562
Steve Wyrick wrote: Mike McGeary said: Re: Alasdair Fraser pairs it with The Cowboy Jig (in A) on The Road... The problem with the Fraser pairing is that he plays Calliope House in D. I think you're wrong, Mike. The version he taught us (San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers) is in E. -Steve ...and now that I've had a chance to pull out my copy of 'The Road North', I can verify that he Calliope House in E there too. Mike, maybe you're thinking of somebody else's version? -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Old Age and Young
Bruce Olson wrote: There are some 'old age and young' (and 'Ages of Man') songs since the late 16th century, and I'll take a look at them when I can, but it will be a fews days from now (Monday) at least. Bruce Olson I'd appreciate any information you have, Bruce, whenever you get to it. Thanks -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] E Jig set suggestions (Calliope House)
John Erdman wrote: I need some suggestions for jigs to play with Dave Richardson's Calliope House. I've tried darn near every E and Em jig I know and can't find one that pairs well and transitions well to or from Calliope House. Any suggestions for me? Possibly is there an A jig that might fill the bill? Thanks, John Yeah, I think you might have better luck with A; lots more possibilities in that key! Alasdair Fraser pairs it with The Cowboy Jig (in A) on The Road North, and that's the best match I've heard. -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Old age and young...
I suppose this sort of relates to last week's discussion of 3/2 hornpipes. I abc'd this tune from Robert Petrie's 3rd Collection of Strathspey Reels c. this week for a friend and thought someone here might be interested in it. The tempo seems weird at first glance but it's a lot of fun to play! I have 2 questions: 1) What does the title mean? I'm guessing Old Age and Young Never Agrees. 2) Does anyone know what sort of dance would have been done to it? X:1 T:Auld Eage and Young Never Grees the Gither C:trad S:Petrie's Third Collection Z:Steve Wyrick N:Slowish L:1/4 M:6/4 K:Bb G2B3/2c/dc/B/|AFFcA/B/c/A/|G2B3/2c/dc/B/|AGgGA/B/c/A/:|! G3/2A/GG,B,2|DF2BAF|G3/2A/GG,B,2|DG2BA^F:|! G/A/B/G/ A/B/c/A/ B/c/d/B/|AFFcA/B/c/A/|G/A/B/G/ A/B/c/A/ B/c/d/B/|AGgGA^F:|! g3/2a/gGA2|Ff2FA/B/c/A/|g3/2a/gGA2|Gg2G A/B/c/A/|! g3/2a/gGA2|Ff2FA/B/c/A/|BA/B/cB/c/dc/d/|gf/e/dcBA|| -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Jig classifications
Matt Seattle wrote: Just found what I was looking for to answer the 3/2 hornpipe thread.. This is great, Matt; thanks for posting! -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Jig classifications
Jack Campin wrote: Similarly, are 3/2 hornpipes referred to as Old Hornpipes or is there another term that is in common use? The tunes themselves are not in common use - I've never encountered one at a ceilidh or heard of one being danced to on Robbie Shepherd's programme. Double hornpipe, or triple hornpipe which confusingly means the same thing, are the usual terms insofar as they're mentioned at all. (I play a few of them - drives guitarists nuts trying to find an accompaniment pattern). There are none in Scottish country dancing (no surprise I guess, since the RSCDS barely distinguish between (standard) hornpipes and reels, and have also dropped the 9/8 jig, except for Strip the Willow); I've never encountered one in step dancing, either, and wonder does anyone still dance them (highland, step or other)? -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Andy M Stewart and Ramblin' Nige
Nigel Gatherer wrote: I'm listening to a CD I bought the other day, 'Donegal Rain' by Andy M Stewart. I must say I'm enjoying pottering away in my office to its gently emanating mellifluous tones. I haven't always been Stewart's greatest champion (the snob that I am!), but I'm pleased with my buy. Time to get my old Silly Wizard LPs out... I agree with you on this one, Nigel; I won a copy in a raffle at a house concert I went to last year; I wasn't familiar with Andy's stuff but do enjoy this CD! Anyone else play in a dance band? Do you enjoy it? Not a formal dance band but I do play fiddle in various pickup bands for Scottish country dance classes events here (when I'm not dancing myself). I do enjoy it, though my ability to keep a rock-solid tempo is sometimes found lacking! -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: Jig of Slurs (was [scots-l] Re: Scots Music Quiz)
Tappan wrote: [Carla and Bob Rogers wrote]: For the fiddlers: The C part starts out: |:G2g gfg|agf gdB| How do you bow that? Using alternating bows puts the bow going in the wrong direction for the next G. I tried slurring the gdB, which plays well, but doesn't sound right. I bow it: down, down, up-down-up, down-up-down, up-down-up, with the first down being short and sort of staccato - I'm not sure I'm using the right terms. I use the same bowing for the rest of the phrases that are similar in that section. The version I use, from the SF Fiddle Club tune archive, is written as |:G3/2g/g gfg... with similar meter for the rest of the section (i.e., the first 3 notes in each measure is lilted and the 2nd are straight), except for the last 2 measures which are all lilted. The bowing they use throughout the section is down up down up-up-up, with a single bow on each note of the last 2 measures. This seems to work fine although I'll admit I haven't worked much on this tune and might want to change the bowings if I start adding ornaments. -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Marshall's Scottish Melodies
I finally obtained a copy of Fiddlecase Books reprint of William Marshall's tunes recently (Elderly Instruments has them in case anyone else is looking). Because the print quality isn't all that great I'm thinking about coding the collection into abc. Before I start though, I thought I should ask the obvious questions: is anyone aware of any existing abc versions of the collection, or of anyone already working on this project? -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: ABC question
Rita Hamilton wrote: I got a copy of Rose Among the Heather from the Chambers website. HOWEVER, it has, if you look at the GIF file, only 1/8th notes. However,if you play the midi file, it has 1/16th's and dotted 1/8/s. What's going on? I'm not sure what's going on but here's the text file he has posted along with the midi and gif files: X: 1 T: the Rose Among the Heather R: strathspey Z: John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] M: C L: 1/8 K: D G2 \ | DFA AF GGB BG | DFA DF A7E2 G2 \ | DFA AF GGB dB | A7AF GE DD2 :| A2 \ | Dde dB Af dB | AF df A7e4 \ | F#7fg fe GdB dB | DAd A7ec Dd2 || A2 \ | Dde dB Af dB | AF df A7e4 \ | Dfe dB BmAF dB | A7AF GE DD2 |] (I removed a line with URL info from JC's header because it screws up some abc readers). If you paste the above text into the Tune-O-Tron converter at http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html you'll get a pdf output with the correct rhythm. I suspect the method he's using for notating the dotted rhythm ( and instead of /) is causing the problem but I don't know for sure. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Is this site working?
Rita Hamilton wrote: http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/FindTune.html I haven't been able to get in lately. Worked for me just now, using Mac IE 5.1 -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Good fusions, bad fusions (was SHSA Comps)
Tappan wrote: Toby Rider wrote: on my desert isle list :-) For instance, every album Alasdair Fraser has released except for one, is basically fusion and I think they've all Which one? I'd like to make sure to get that one. Bob Jumping into the fire here, I'd say Legacy of the Scottish Fiddle, Vol. 1, and probably Vol. 2 when it's released, and possibly also Portrait of a Scottish Fiddler are the most traditional and least fusion-like, though some folks might also argue for Driven Bow being fairly traditional as well. Just my opinion... I agree with Jan. I think I would have put Portrait... as his most traditional album but it's been a while since I've heard it and I may be misremembering it. Toby, your definition of fusion must be different than mine; when I think of fusion I think of groups like The Peatbog Faeries and Shooglenifty, not Alasdair Fraser! What are you defining his style as a fusion of? -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: electric fiddles (was [scots-l] Tempos)
Toby Rider wrote: My next move is to buy an electric fiddle, either a Zeta or a Yamaha, and start pluging it into all my guitar effects, just to see how much I can tweak the tones out of 4 little strings. Guitarists have been experimenting with this stuff since the 1940's, I think it will be interesting to see just how much I can get my fiddle to not sound like a fiddle. Hi Toby, if you're looking for a solid-body electic you might want to check out Jordan electric violins, made by John Jordan who lives a couple miles from me (website is http://www.jordanmusic.com/violin.htm ). Nice guy and great craftsman. I've never played one of his electrics but have heard good things about them from people who have. Michael Mullen, the former fiddler for Tempest played one; he could definitely get it to not sound like a fiddle! -Steve -- How can anyone govern a nation that has 246 kinds of cheese? -Charles De Gaulle Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Tempos
Sue Richards wrote: At 10:00 PM 1/15/03 -0800, Steve wrote: In the San Francisco branch of the RSCDS, every year at the Pleasanton games we have an adjudicated dance exhibition. What that means is that each participating group gets up on a stage and does a 3-dance medley in front of 2 adjudicators (who are typically long-time teachers) and an audience. Afterwards the adjudicators talk to the participants and note what they liked in the performance and what could be improved. It's not a competition but it gives groups the chance to perform in front of an audience and get constructive criticism from experts. I'm not interested in competing in music and I've often wondered why something like this isn't done for fiddlers. So, to me, a comp is exactly the same, except that prizes are given to the ones who stand out. As a harp judge, I always try to set up an informal atmosphere, encouraging everyone to be supportive of each other, and I try to talk to people individually, and certainly in my notes, telling them what worked worked well and what could be improved. I have seen fiddle comps like this. I know that it can be done. Sue I guess the difference would be that I don't see any reason to judge players against each other; I'd rather just have somebody there to say well, Steve, that was fairly well played but you could work more on your snaps or whatever. I'm not interested in knowing how well I rate against Player X, I just want to know how I can improve! -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Tempos
George Seto wrote: Most people would know from the playing if the person is good at all. Beyond this, why compete? The people who are good, know it, and don't have any need to prove it. The ones who are not AS good, know it, and would be learning from the ones they admire. The way it is done as we currently have it, is a non-judgemental form, and without the pressure a competition, as Steve was seeming to imply would be good, would impose. So, the basic question is or should be why would we want it? The situation around here as I see it is that while there are some good pro Scottish fiddlers in the area, there seems to be a lack of venues for amateurs (the only jam session I know of around here advertises itself as Scottish/Irish and while I've never been I'm willing to bet it's much more Irish than Scottish). At all the local Scottish games amateur fiddlers have little presence, except for fiddle jams which typically feature massed fiddlers all playing together so that you can't hear any details. What I was thinking about was a supportive, non-competitive atmosphere where somebody could get up and just play a set of tunes for an audience, in the presence of someone who could evaluate the performance and give hints on what might be improved. -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Tempos
mary umbarger wrote: I AM familiar in traditional Old Time competitions. You are absolutely correct when you speak of egos and grandstanding, but I must admit that most of these folk are really good musicians and much can be learned from them. Here again, I enter for the love of the music, people and the excitement of being able to play for an audience. Even though I play in a band and do lots of solo gigs, nothing beats the shear fun of comparing tunes and arrangements. NOW- the thrust of this is : If I did not enter these competitions I would not put forth the effort to learn, understand, express and perfect. I would only learn and play - and it would be acceptable for my audiences. I love performing more than I do competing, but the competing , I believe make me a better performer! In the San Francisco branch of the RSCDS, every year at the Pleasanton games we have an adjudicated dance exhibition. What that means is that each participating group gets up on a stage and does a 3-dance medley in front of 2 adjudicators (who are typically long-time teachers) and an audience. Afterwards the adjudicators talk to the participants and note what they liked in the performance and what could be improved. It's not a competition but it gives groups the chance to perform in front of an audience and get constructive criticism from experts. I'm not interested in competing in music and I've often wondered why something like this isn't done for fiddlers. -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] A Fiddler's Book of Scottish Jigs
Cynthia Cathcart wrote: While we're talking about reels, and since there are a good smattering of fiddlers here, I will hazard another question: how fast are they usually played for dancers? One organization here in the States advertises the actual tempo of reels at 130-140 per half note/minim. Ignoring the fact that these settings are not on the standard metronome, is that lightening fast or what? Can our fiddlers really play reels that fast? Can people dance that fast?? Official RSCDS tempo is 110-112, although I find in practice it can vary somewhat depending on the figures in the dance and the skill and stamina of the dancers! -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] A grand night
Sue Richards wrote: FYI- Laura Risk has not lived in CA for many years, and is now married and living in Montreal. Time to drop the old label. She *is* fabulous to play with. We're happy to claim her as one of ours, though! She still has family in this area so is here fairly frequently, and still maintains ties with members of the San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] I've got the virus too - perhaps I can help.
Jack Campin wrote: [Philip Whittaker wrote:] The Lanes - Janice and Phil, who I met on their visit to Scottish Borders in 2000 and the first Coldstream Gaitherin in May 2001, would be alarmed to think they have anything to do with the problem. I think this means that their PC must have the virus. They do NOT. Bugbear assembles a fake sender address by randomly combining a userid and sitename from the infected person's address book. The unfakeable information in that header is the sequence of Received: lines (well, some of them can be faked, but in this case it looks like you got something almost identical to my copy, where they were all for real). On another smaller mail list I'm on, we've had 2 attempted infections of Bugbear and in both cases the e-mails actually did come from who they said they did, although the domain info was forged. If nobody has, it would definitely be worth contacting thelanes at whatever their real e-mail address is and making sure their computer isn't infected. -Steve And following Nigel's practice, since there's no Scottish content in the above, here's a tune for my penance: X:5 T:Muschats Cairn C:James Porteous S:San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers Newsletter 02/02 Z:Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/11/02 N:From The Skye Collection K:G M:4/4 GG,B, D2 B,D G2|GDG B2 DDCB,A,|GB,D G2 DG B2|CcAGF GG2 G,2:|! GGB d2 Bd g2|CdBAG DFADF|GGBd2 Bdg2|! CdAGF GG2G,2|GGBdg bgdB|CcaGBg DADFD|! GGDB,2 AmECA,2|DAFDF GG2 G,2||! -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books
Jack Campin wrote: American copyright law is weird and American copyright law on broad- casting is even weirder. Anybody know how it ever came about that US radio broadcasters don't pay any royalties? Can that be right? I don't know much about American copyright law but I do know BMI collects royalties from radio stations for songs played and distributes them to songwriters who are members. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says: Fool me once, shame on [pause] shame on you. [pause] Fool me... you can't get fooled again. -George W. Bush Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books
Ted Hastings wrote: Nigel: this was an interesting response, but did you really need to send it twice? Or is the Scots-L software acting up again? Yes it is. I just got Nigel's original message, dated 10/4. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] concertina.net Tune-o-tron abc converter
Someone mentioned this site on the IRTRAD list and I thought it would be of interest here: http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html You paste in a tune in abc and it converts it to printable pdf sheet music or plays the tune for you as a midi file! I just tried it with the tune Jack Campin posted earlier and it works great! -Steve -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] primarily Scottish?
Cynthia Cathcart wrote: I think the fact that no one is jumping in here with their prioritized list illustrates that it's just too hard. Not to mention putting ourselves in the position of having our priorities questioned! I'm not sure how useful a prioritization is, actually. I organized my list in order of current usefulness to me, but if I'm searching for a tune I'll go through all of them! BTW nobody has mentioned the internet as a resource but there's a ton of good stuff out there in various abc collections and list archives. If I don't find a tune in any of my standard sources I always type '(tune name) abc' in Google and see what turns up. -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Music source books
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking forward to summarizing all of your suggestions on the books. My library includes O'Neill's. Would anyone want to suggest some neat Scottish tunes from that book...or perhaps, just send some of your playlists to serve as a source list for the individual titles. From there, I can visit some of these suggestions to determine which books might be more to my liking. Watch out if you have Krassen's version of O'Neill's Music of Ireland; he adds a ton of ornamentation, almost all of which is incorrect for the Scottish versions of the tunes. The reprint of the original which I think is from Mel Bay publishers would be better since it doesn't try to notate the Irish ornamentation (however playing Hammer Dulcimer I'm sure you ignore all that stuff anyway), but I agree with Toby, the Strathspey is very important to Scottish music and you won't find any of those in O'Neill's so I'm not sure you can get a good idea of the style from his books. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Music source books
Toby Rider wrote: Alot of those other books that have been mentioned, especially some of the older ones, have alot of really good strathspeys in them. It's hard to get the feel of strathspeys from the notes, you have to hear them played. Also people from different regions have slightly different takes on them. That's a good point and it shows one disadvantage of learning from tune books. A couple months ago I attended a workshop on strathspey bowing that Laura Risk taught for the San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers, and she took some time to demonstrate various styles (highland, lowland, Shetland). I started realizing there's a lot more complexity there than I thought! After that I started listening more closely to some of my favorite recordings vs. my own playing and I realized that in reading the music, I tend to play it too much like it's written and not enough like it should be played. As I listen more it seems to me to be a fairly common problem with the SCD fiddlers here, since a lot of us are coming from either a classical background or a different fiddle style and don't have a lot of pure Scottish fiddlers as mentors. I guess that's one problem with living halfway around the world from the source of these tunes! -Steve -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: Take the Floor (was Re:[scots-l] Music source books)
Jack Campin wrote: Also, I'd suggest listening to the webcast of BBC Radio Scotland's Take the Floor programme. This is a weekly programme of Scottish dance music; it takes very few risks but will tell you in no uncertain terms what the right timing for a lot of Scottish dances is. It will also tell you how sets of tunes are put together; you often find the same kind of sets in pub sessions, albeit some Take the Floor bands delight in playing their own material to the exclusion of anything any other player might recognize. After a while you'll hear which dances and which tunes keep recurring - they're the standard repertoire, you can filter out the rest. Hey, cool; I checked the BBC website and found they're offering this program and a bunch of others on-demand; last time I checked they were only webcasting it live! The URL is http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/radioscotland/programmes/other/takethefloor.sh tml and click on Listen Again. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Music source books
Rita Hamilton wrote: I'm wondering just what you would use as your music source books. Would you mind sharing? I'd like to see a minimum of ten books, listed in priority order, that is the first one being the most important. The focus should be primarily Scottish, but not necessarily Scottish. Thanks Gee, I don't think I even HAVE 10 source books, but here's what I'm currently using, more or less in order of use (I'm a fiddler am working mainly on dance music these days). Sorry, not all these are primary sources, and a couple aren't available through normal channels: 1. Suzie Petrov's Book of Musick 2. Skye Collection 3. San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers Tune of the Month Archive 4. Jerry Holland's 2nd collection 5. Barbara McOwen's Leaves of Cabbage 6. Carlin's Gow Collection Suzie Petrov's and Barbara McOwen's collections are resources for musicians playing for Scottish country dancing and have arrangements of tunes grouped for dances. Suzie's is self-published, available directly from her (I have contact info if anyone wants it). I don't think Barbara McOwen ever formally published her collection but there are photocopies of photocopies of manuscripts floating around here that the musicians in the RSCDS-SF branch all use and love. The SFSF has published a monthly newsletter since 1986, and they typically include 2 or 3 (mostly Scottish) tunes from various sources (transcribed from the playing of other musicians, particularly teachers at Alasdair Fraser's Valley of the Moon camp, or from various tunebooks manuscripts); they pubish an archive for their members. BTW, someone mentioned a William Marshall collection; I can't find that message again and think I accidentally deleted it. I'd appreciate more details on that one if anyone has it (or any other good Marshall collections if there's more than one) as he's rapidly becoming one of my favorites. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says: Fool me once, shame on [pause] shame on you. [pause] Fool me... you can't get fooled again. -George W. Bush Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Filska Tunes?
Derek Hoy wrote: I have the CD here- I qualified for a copy by spending a week with them in Disneyland. It was a tough job, but somebody had to do it. Here's the track listing: Bunjie's Dilemma (Charlie Soane - I presume this is the fiddler from Perth) Trip to Sauchiehall Street (Jenna Reid, of Filska) McFadden's Reel (trad) The Auld Fiddler (W McGuire- possibly Billy McGuire, box player?) Derek Thanks Derek, I appreciate it! -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: Foss tunes (was Re: Lily of the Vale)
Nigel Gatherer wrote: Could the eightsome reel benefit from specially written measured tunes? It's just that whenever I've played for it we've played a series of reels AABBAB, giving 24 bars - it's difficult when you're not used to it! Would 12-bar reels played make sense from the dancer's point of view? I really mean would it make any difference to the dancers? Confuse the heck out of the musicians! In the RSCDS there's a saying that the music will tell you what to do. This is an exaggeration but dancers do rely on the music, either consciously or unconsciously, to provide clues as to what comes next, so it's a good practice to match its phrases to the dance figures if possible. In the Eightsome Reel which has 8-bar figures I don't think it would be a good idea to substitute a 12x4 tune for an 8x6 one, since some of the figures would be cross-phrased. The more aware dancers would likely opine that the music doesn't fit the dance while those not as attuned to the music would probably just have a sense that something's not quite right! Coincidentally, the worst example of the music not matching the dance that I've encountered was with Foss' Wee Cooper o' Fife, which Anselm already mentioned. It's a 40-bar reel in 4 10-bar phrases and one evening the musicians who were playing for a class I attended didn't have the music so decided to substitute a reel with 5 8-bar phrases. The music started and chaos quickly ensued! -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Foss tunes (was Re: Lily of the Vale)
Nigel Gatherer wrote: Perhaps it was a rare occurrence, but he certainly wrote some. I have a book - The Galloway Album - published by Foss in which are four of his tunes. Strange from a musician's point of view, because all have four 6-bar sections. I've no doubt it makes perfect sense from a dancing p.o.v. - my woeful ignorance of dancing hampers me once again! Nigel, you piqued my interest on this one because Foss is one of my favorite dance devisors so I checked this out in Alan Paterson's DanceData database. It appears that Laurieston and the other 3 tunes from this book are all name tunes for Foss' dance Cairn Edward Jig. This dance is a 24-bar 3-couple jig which is unusual in that like the tune it's comprised of 3-bar figures. I don't know of any other dance written this way, although since Alan's database now contains over 10,000 dances there must be some! Scottish country dancers tend to shy away from figures having odd number of bars, I suppose because of the problem of remembering which foot to start on. However, this dance looks like it would flow well, like all Foss' dances that I've encountered, and the steps do make perfect sense even though all the figures are familiar ones that are normally done with an even number of steps. Unfortunately, I still couldn't find anything on The Lilly of the Vale. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Charles the Twelfth King of Sweden
Jack Campin wrote: Is this the dance The King of Sweden? I have it in a pamphlet Four Step Dances collected in Aberdeenshire for the Royal Scottish Country Dance Society, ed. Isobel Cramb, music arr. Nan Main Iain Robertson (Paterson's Publications, 1953). The dance comes from a manuscript of 1841, the tune (Charles the Twelfth King of Sweden's March) from the Gillespie MS of 1768, which I have ABC'ed some tunes from, but not this one. The booklet includes drawings of leg positions, something ABC is not very good at. The introduction says the dances are a sort of fusion of ballet and Highland dance. Apparently they contain something called double trebling which I always thought was part of a West Indian steel band. Hmmm, I didn't think of this one when I saw the original request. I do both SCD and Scottish Step and am familiar with this dance although it isn't in our current repertoire. I may have the steps for the RSCDS's version written down somewhere if this is what the requestor is after. Jack, out of curiosity, what are the other 3 dances in this pamphlet? I suppose that a fusion of ballet and Highland dance is a pretty good way of describing Step Dancing, at least as the RSCDS does it. I always thought that the main difference between Step and Highland is that there tends to be more movement horizontally (around the floor) and less vertically (i.e., the steps tend to be done lower to the ground) than in Highland. The music also tends to be fairly refined (i.e., boring, to my ears!) although a lot of groups in this area are trying to reclaim some of the vitality of Highland by setting the old dances to more modern music as well as writing new dances set to new tunes and arrangements. Double Treble is a step that always reminds me of tap dancing; I think it must have been imported from some form of hard-shoe dancing since it's more percussive than the other steps. The mnemonic for the step goes hop brush beat shuffle ball change ball change shuffle ball change (although I think in KOS it's actually hop brush beat shuffle ball change shuffle ball change shuffle ball change) if that's any help in describing it! It's not an easy step, and after our problems in learning Single Treble and Double Treble for another dance, one of the dancers who's a Star Trek fan keeps threatening to write a dance called The Trouble With Trebles! I would suggest asking the RSCDS if they can do you a copy, it'll be long out of print. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if it has been reprinted; the King of Sweden seems to be a fairly popular step dance, at least in this area. This would be a good question for the Strathspey list folks. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Unsubscribe
Janice Parton wrote: please unsubscribe me. Tnaks. and Erika wrote: Long time no talk to :-). I have been too ill to read the posts for some time now, and I've had no luck unsubscribing from the Tullochgorum website, so Toby, could you unsubscribe me manually please? Best, Erica Mackenzie P.S. I am posting this to the list at large intentionally, as I don't want to miss an opportunity to be roundly abused in Lallans by Mr Adkins :-). It seems to be easy to get a subscription to this list but almost impossible to get off! What's up with that, Toby? It should be the other way around :-) I also asked to unsubscribe my old Earthlink account a couple weeks ago since I switched ISPs but am still getting double posts of everything! BTW, where IS Colonel Adkins these days? Haven't heard from him in a while! -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Pamela Rose Grant
Keith W Dunn wrote: Does anyone have or know where to find abc's of a tune Pamela Rose Grant as played by Alasdair Fraser? I don't know who it was written by or the history behind it. Anyone know anything about the tune? Keith Dunn Hi Keith, I have the notes for the tune and will translate it to abc for you; I ought to be able to get to it later tonight or tomorrow evening. It was published in the San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers newsletter as a tune of the month a couple years ago and the notes simply say It was composed for the wedding of Rose Grant and Alan McLeod, who live in Oakland. -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Pamela Rose Grant
John Chambers wrote: By some coincidence, I just got that from a friend at a recent dance. Great tune. Here's his version: Almost identical to the official version I have (just some slight differences in the chords) so I won't bother to post mine. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] need help making up a set
Carla and Bob Rogers wrote: I'm so proud of myself! I can finally play a reel. I had to switch from guitar to whistle to fiddle, but I can finally play a reel Now I need more... My tune is De'il Amang the Tailors. I've learned the version from the Scottish Ceilidh Collection for Fiddlers, and I'm working on the version from Scottish Fiddle Music in the 18th Century. I'd like another couple tunes to go with that to make up a set! (I'd also like to be able to play faster, but that will come with time). Any suggestions? Last year at our Spring Concert series the San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers did a set consisting of Mrs. McLeod of Raasay, Largo's Fairy Dance, and De'il Amang the Tailors. All fairly simple, well-known tunes that audiences tend to like. Suzie Petrov's book has a set consisting of De'il, The Scholar, and The Flogging Reel but that's a much harder set. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Another dumb question?
Steve Wyrick wrote: Ellen Sinatra wrote: Perfect subject heading for my follow-up question. Is this what is known as the Scottish snap? Thanks, Ellen Sinatra No, a Scottish snap is a 16th note followed by a dotted 8th, played downbow, upbow. The 2 notes are written beamed together. I'm not sure if this is a standard convention, but some people write them with a slur; this doesn't mean that they are played on a single bow, but is simply to distinguish them as a snap (in sight reading, this aids in telling a snap from the reverse, i.e. dotted 8th followed by 16th). -Steve This reminds me of another probably dumb question I have: Is a snap considered an optional ornament? What I mean is, can you substitute it for 2 eighths or for a dotted 8th-16 combination for effect, or is it only played when written? For that matter, how much ornamentation in Scottish fiddling is improvised? I came to Scottish fiddling from Irish fiddling and that music is a lot like jazz in that there's a strong improvisatory element; good fiddlers never play the tune the same way twice. The fiddlers I play with tend to be mostly classically-trained (as I am), and are used to reading sheet music and playing the tunes as written without much variation. I don't get much of a chance to hear real Scottish fiddlers here, but listening to recordings of Cape Breton and Shetland fiddle music, styles that I understand are more similar to the way this music used to be played, I seem to hear much more improvisation. This makes me wonder if Scottish fiddling used to be more similar in philosophy to Irish fiddling, and improvisation is an element that is going away as more classically-trained fiddlers embrace the music. What do you guys think? -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Another dumb question?
Jack Campin wrote: (I wrote:) Someone asked whether a grace note is played on the beat, or ahead of the beat. (Toby wrote:) You know, I've asked this question many times before. Especially when I first started playing. I think the answer is, at least for me, that grace notes don't really exist in the same way that they do in classical music. When I play grace notes, lopos, cuts, etc.. The grace note the actual note are really part of the same space in time. I think we can be a bit less intuitive than that. I've done quite a lot of tinkering around with tune playback using BarFly, which allows you to decode whether the gracenotes take time from the preceding or following note, and what fraction of a melody note they take up. It still sounds mechanical (and BarFly only lets you set this on a per-tune basis) but you can hear when you've got *some* settings right for *some* of the tune. By and large instrumental pieces played back this way sound better with the time taken from the following note. I think that's consistent with what you're saying here... Yes, I think you're right on this. I've played around with BarFly some (BTW, the version I have, 1.0d30, lets the user set a default on the grace note timing for all tunes, not just individual tunes) and overall the tunes sound more accurate when time is taken from the following note. After trying to analyze my own playing some more, I still maintain that when a strong beat is needed (e.g., the first beat of a measure), I'm hitting the grace notes earlier than I'd do otherwise. (Although I tend to avoid playing grace notes altogether in this situation.) -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Another dumb question?
Ellen Sinatra wrote: Steve Wyrick wrote: . . . and overall the tunes sound more accurate when time is taken from the following note. . . . Perfect subject heading for my follow-up question. Is this what is known as the Scottish snap? Thanks, Ellen Sinatra No, a Scottish snap is a 16th note followed by a dotted 8th, played downbow, upbow. The 2 notes are written beamed together. I'm not sure if this is a standard convention, but some people write them with a slur; this doesn't mean that they are played on a single bow, but is simply to distinguish them as a snap (in sight reading, this aids in telling a snap from the reverse, i.e. dotted 8th followed by 16th). -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Tempi
Anselm Lingnau wrote: (Nigel, I think, wrote) As for dancers not knowing the difference between a reel and a jig: why on earth should they? I can't see that it's very relevant to how they dance. One plays 2 or 4 notes to the beat, the other 3, but the beat remains the same, doesn't it? Nope. Most SCD dance steps are composed of four separate »actions« (such as »hop-step-close-step« or »step-beat-beat-hold«). Simplifying things somewhat for the sake of argument, in reel time, these actions take place on beats 1, 2, 3, 4 of a bar (assuming 4/4, common or cut-common time), and in jig time on beats 1, 3, 4, and 6. Right, that's what I was trying to get at. The difference is subtle enough that some dancers don't notice it until it's pointed out to them (even though they may be unconsciously making the adjustment to the different rhythm). Anselm (or anyone else), this is probably a dumb question, but having never devised a dance myself, how does a devisor decide if a dance should be a jig or a reel? Are there figures that work better for one or the other or is it just a matter of personal preference? I suppose this is really a question for the strathspey list! -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Another dumb question?
On our local San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers mail list a question came up that is driving me crazy; I should be able to figure this out but can't. Someone asked whether a grace note is played on the beat, or ahead of the beat. I maintained that for dance or march music a strong beat is wanted and a grace note should be played ahead of the beat, so the beat comes on the main note of the melody. I thought this was obvious, but then someone else who is classically trained expressed just the opposite opinion, that the ornament takes away from the following note, not the previous one! I've been playing tunes this evening trying to figure out what I really do and can't figure it out! Help! -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [scots-l] Tempi
-Original Message- From: Ian Brockbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:53:26 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [scots-l] Tempi Hi Nigel, et al, On the terminology side, SCDers do not make many distinctions at all. The average SCDer is hard put to distinguish between a reel (simple time) and a jig (6/8) - subtleties such as hornpipes are beyond them. In slow time, it's just strathspeys, even when they are slow airs or schottisches (though they are always simple time - they can tell a waltz, although it's not part of the standard repertoire). HTH, Ian I started dancing after playing this music for a number of years and was surprised to find that a lot of people couldn't tell the difference between a jig and a reel; it was obvious to me! I agree that in SCD the only real distinction many dancers make is between fast and slow dances; however since the steps don't really change between the fast dances, one is basically dancing the same dance whether it's a reel, hornpipe or jig so there's little reason for the average dancer to make any finer distinction (yes the timing is slightly different but I find a lot of dancers make the adjustment without realizing they're doing it). The other thing that I think contributes to this is that a lot of teachers don't have the luxury of live music in classes and have to rely on recorded music. When they teach they may end up using whatever they have on hand that has the right number of bars and repetitions; if we end up dancing a reel to jig music, or a strathspey to an air, oh w! ell! -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Tempi
Nigel Gatherer wrote: I'm writing an article about the speed of Scottish tunes using my own research based on recordings of dance bands, although I've just noticed that I didn't note any Strathspeys. I've always been under the impression that a Strathspey would be played slower than a reel, but looking at 'The Caledonian Companion', Alastair Hardie gives reels at 120-128, Most reels, however, will benefit from the less breathless tempo of 108-116 He gives the Strathspey tempo as between 126-138, considerably faster than the reel. He has marches at 92-100, even-rhythmed hornpipes at 104-112, and uneven-rhythmed hornpipes at 69-76, which does seem rather slow to me. I'd like to hear your opinions. I'm under the impression (without doing much research) that strathspeys have slowed down somewhat over the years. Hugh Thurston, in Scotland's Dances, quotes Major Edward Topham, in 1775, writing as follows: Another of the national dances is a kind of quick minuet, or what the Scotch call a 'Straspae.' We in England are said to walk a minuet: this is gallopping a minuet. Nothing of the minuet is preserved except the figure; the step and time most resemble an hornpipe--and I leave you to dwell upon the picture of a gentleman full-dressed and a lady in a hoop dancing an hornpipe before a large assembly. I think he wouldn't have made this observation if he'd encountered the strathspey at the tempos we dance it nowadays. I remember a discussion on the STRATHSPEY mailing list in the last couple years to the effect that even within recent memory the tempo of the Strathspey has slowed down. Writers attributed it mostly to the graying of the SCD population but it may also have to do with the trend toward more gracefulness in the step. Some people said they recalled that in the mid-1900s the strathspey tempo was more like what we now do Glasgow Highlanders at, ie around 60-66 BPM. (regarding Hardie's tempo for the Strathspey it seems to be double what I'm used to. Do you think he's counting differently?) At any rate, regarding current practice, Barbara McOwen (a great fiddler from San Francisco always in demand for RSCDS functions) writing in 1989 gave these tempi: Reel and jig: 112-120 Strathspey: 60-66; strathspeys with highland setting may require 66 or faster, official Highland Fling tempo is 68. Suzie Petrov (an excellent pianist from Pennsylvania who plays at a lot of RSCDS functions) writing in 2001 gives tempi for the RSCDS versions of these tunes as follows: quick time tunes (jigs, reels hornpipes): 110-112 Strathspeys: 60 (As an aside, as far as I can tell the Society doesn't differentiate between hornpipes and reels, using them almost interchangeably as tunes for reels (the dance). As I understand it, the Hornpipe as danced historically, requires a much slower tempo due to the complexity of the steps.) I hope this is useful. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Tempi
Steve Wyrick wrote: Some people said they recalled that in the mid-1900s the strathspey tempo was more like what we now do Glasgow Highlanders at, ie around 60-66 BPM. Oops, I meant 66-68 -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Reel ID Please
Nigel Gatherer wrote: Manuel Waldesco wrote: Nigel Gatherer said: Also I like to share tunes. Ok then, let's introduce another sort of musical tradition, there you go an Aragonese tune! T: Tatero O: Aragon [Snip] ??? So Jimmy took his vacations in Aragon? -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, CA Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] The misleading tune
Manuel Waldesco wrote: Well, I don't think so but, who knows... Anyway, I probably caused some misunderstanding sending the tune with the subject Reel ID; my intention wasn't to answer to the Reel ID question - which, unfortunately, I don't know - but to partake of the tune sharing fenomenon with a totally different tune from another tradition (you know, just to give an exotic flavour! ;-) Cheers from the Ebro valley, Manuel Waldesco Manuel, the tune you sent was the same one Nigel posted, with a different key signature! Was that what you meant to do? -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, CA Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Wake Up Call
John Chambers wrote: Steve Wyrick writes: [about Gramachie] | I know I've danced this dance but I don't remember anything about the tune! | I checked the RSCDS DanceData database web interface, which lists the dance | along with recordings of music for it. You might be interested in checking | out what tunes other musicians have recorded for it; maybe some of those are | more available. Here's the URL for the DanceData entry: | http://www.strathspey.org/dd/dance/2631/view . If you click on the track | entries under Tunes you'll go to the tune list for each recording. What's | interesting to me is that of the 3 recordings listed, none includes the | title tune in the set! Hope this helps. -Steve Hmmm ... So none of them could find the tune, either. Maybe it was a tune known only to Miss Milligan. The RSCDS usually publishes the title tunes along with the dances so I'd think it would be available. Maybe it's just not a very interesting tune? I'll keep my eyes open for a copy of Miss Milligan's Miscellany. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, CA Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Johnny Cope redux
Francis Strong wrote:
I remember this being discussed in the last few months, but somehow I didn't
get it printed out. So, would someone post ABC's for this tune? Thanks,
fran strong
Well here's the version I posted to the list in October. I transcribed this
from the San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers 6/97 newsletter; it comes from the
playing of Buddy MacMaster, according to the notes. It's the same as
Natalie MacMaster's version on My Roots are Showing except that hers is in
Gm rather than Am, and the chords are probably different, I haven't checked.
In the liner notes Natalie says This classic 6-part G minor setting of
'Johnnie Cope' was first recorded on a 78 disc by Margaree fiddler Angus
Allan Gillis. -Steve
X:1
T:Johnny Cope
M:C
L:1/8
Q:300
S:San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers Newsletter June 1997
N:From the playing of Buddy MacMaster
A:Cape Breton
Z:Steve Wyrick 10-22-01
K:Ador
AG|:Am{E}A4AB cd|e2A2{A}BA GE|G{E}G4GA Bc|{c}d2G2BA GE|!
Am{E}A4AB cd|{d}e2A2{A}B2AB|GG2gf ed cB|1AmA4A3G:|2AmA4A2B2||!
P:Var. I
|:Cc3dc2C2|cd efg4|GB2AGG2d2|Bc dcB2AG|AmA2c2GB2d2|!
Amc2e2GB2AG|EmE2gf ed cB|1AmA2-A3A AB:|2AmA4Ad^cB||!
P:Var. II
AmA2E2AB cd|Ced cB Gdc BA|G2D2GA Bc|dB gd cB AG|AA2GF EED
^CB,|AA,B, ^CDE2DC|!
DD2F2EED ^CB,|AA,4A,d ^cB|AmA2E2AB cd|ed cB Gdc BA|GG2D2GA Bc|!
GdB gd cB AG|A{G}A2GF EED ^CB,|AA,B, ^CDE2DC|DD2F2EED
^CB,|A{B,}A,4A2z2||!
P:Var. III
|:Ama4a2ga|{a}b2a2{a}ba ge|G{e}g4g2ga|{a}b2agg2b2|Ama4a2ga|!
G{a}b2g2Aa2e2|1Df2df Eed ^cB|A{D}A4A4:|2DF2DF EED
^CB,|AA,4A,d ^cB||!
P:Var. IV
|:AmAE AB A Bcd|Cef ed cB Ac|GBG dG eG dG|GBd gd cB AG|Amcd cB AG
AB|!
AmAB cd ed eB|df ga Emge dB|1AmA4Ae^cB:|2AmA4A2e2||
P: Var. V
Aa3/2e/2 a/2^c'3/2 a3/2e/2 a/2c'3/2|AE3/2A/2 ^c3/2a/2 ^c'3/2a/2
e3/2f/2|Gg3/2d/2 g/2b3/2 g3/2d/2
g/2b3/2|GD3/2G/2 B3/2g/2 b3/2d/2 g3/2B/2|!
Ce3/2c/2 e/2g3/2 Gd3/2B/2 d/2g3/2|Amc3/2A/2 c/2g3/2 Gd3/2B/2
d/2g3/2|Ce3/2c/2 Gd3/2B/2 Amc3/2A/2 EmB3/2G/2|Am{G}A4A2e2:||
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Re: [scots-l] Johnny Cope
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If anyone feels like contributing a version of Johnny Cope with variations,
I'd be really interested.
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Here's one from the playing of Buddy Macmaster:
X:1
T:Johnny Cope
M:C
L:1/8
Q:288
S:San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers Newsletter June 1997
N:From the playing of Buddy MacMaster
A:Cape Breton
Z:Steve Wyrick 10-22-01
K:Ador
AG|:Am{E}A4AB cd|e2A2{A}BA GE|G{E}G4GA Bc|{c}d2G2BA GE|!
Am{E}A4AB cd|{d}e2A2{A}B2AB|GG2gf ed cB|1AmA4A3G:|2AmA4A2B2||!
P:Var. I
|:Cc3dc2C2|cd efg4|GB2AGG2d2|Bc dcB2AG|AmA2c2GB2d2|!
Amc2e2GB2AG|EmE2gf ed cB|1AmA2-A3A AB:|2AmA4Ad^cB||!
P:Var. II
AmA2E2AB cd|Ced cB Gdc BA|G2D2GA Bc|dB gd cB AG|AA2GF EED
^CB,|AA,B, ^CDE2DC|!
DD2F2EED ^CB,|AA,4A,d ^cB|AmA2E2AB cd|ed cB Gdc BA|GG2D2GA Bc|!
GdB gd cB AG|A{G}A2GF EED ^CB,|AA,B, ^CDE2DC|DD2F2EED
^CB,|A{B,}A,4A2z2||!
P:Var. III
|:Ama4a2ga|{a}b2a2{a}ba ge|G{e}g4g2ga|{a}b2agg2b2|Ama4a2ga|!
G{a}b2g2Aa2e2|1Df2df Eed ^cB|A{D}A4A4:|2DF2DF EED
^CB,|AA,4A,d ^cB||!
P:Var. IV
|:AmAE AB A Bcd|Cef ed cB Ac|GBG dG eG dG|GBd gd cB AG|Amcd cB AG
AB|!
AmAB cd ed eB|df ga Emge dB|1AmA4Ae^cB:|2AmA4A2e2||
P: Var. V
Aa3/2e/2 a/2^c'3/2 a3/2e/2 a/2c'3/2|AE3/2A/2 ^c3/2a/2 ^c'3/2a/2
e3/2f/2|Gg3/2d/2 g/2b3/2 g3/2d/2
g/2b3/2|GD3/2G/2 B3/2g/2 b3/2d/2 g3/2B/2|!
Ce3/2c/2 e/2g3/2 Gd3/2B/2 d/2g3/2|Amc3/2A/2 c/2g3/2 Gd3/2B/2
d/2g3/2|Ce3/2c/2 Gd3/2B/2 Amc3/2A/2 EmB3/2G/2|Am{G}A4A2e2:||
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Re: [scots-l] Re: Scottish music shoutcast station back up
Toby Rider wrote: Actually it sometimes doesn't show up under the search string below. However it does seem to show up under a search for celtic... Hmm.. Toby Toby Rider wrote: Okay, I am streaming Scottish music on the web again. Do a search on www.shoutcast.com for: Toby's Scottish Irish music and it will show. You'll be able to connect to it with Winamp, or XMMS, or any other decent mp3s player. Remember, do not look a gift horse in the mouth. Do not complain that the connection on your 28.8 bps modem being choppy, that I do not play enough Rankin Family, etc... :-) Toby Nice job, Toby! How much music do you have up, anyway? I listened to it for about 6 hours at work today and didn't notice any repeats! Seems to be much more reliable than the old site, too; that one kept dropping my connection, but this site was solid! My only complaint was with the Shoutcast page; it took me about 10 minutes to navigate through their site find their search facility! Once I found it, your music was great. No complaints here! -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, CA Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Ross Memorial Hospital
Philip Whittaker wrote: The tune is called Ross Memorial Hospital - where Phil recovered from a near fatal car crash. The tune can be found in - The Cunningham Collection - Volume 1. The House in Rose Valley. And it's recorded on The Palomino Waltz (1989). Excellent CD, IMHO. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, CA Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: scots-l-digest V1 #420 unsubscribe
Briagha Slighe wrote: again pleasse take me off of this list! i have asked repeatedly and gone to the tulloch whatever site but it will take me off. Hi Briagha, I think that even though you unsubscribed on the website, Toby Rider still has to do something to remove your name. You could try e-mailing him directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Toby, are you out there? -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, CA Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Tune ID
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tommy Peoples taught these Donegal Highlands at a workshop I attended last
week, but he had no name for them. Does anyone recognize them as Scottish
strathspeys?
Thanks for your help.
Regards,
Andrew Kuntz
X:1
T:Gan Ainm
M:4/4
L:1/8
R:Highland
S:Tommy Peoples - Workshop 7/19/01
Z:AK/Fiddler's Companion
K:A
A2 {c/d/} cA ecea | AB {c/d/}cA BE GB | A2 {c/d/}cA ecea |
(3gfe (3dcB (3AcB (3AFE | A2 {c/d/}cA ecea | AB {c/d/}cA BE GB |
A2 {c/d/}cA ece=g | fagb a3 || A | aAc'A d'Ac'A |
aAc'A {b/c'/}ba bc' | aAc'A d'Ac'A | (3ded (3cdc ~B2 A2 |
aAc'A d'Ac'A | aAc'A {b/c'/}ba bc' | (3Ace (3ecA (3Adf (3fdA |
gebg af e/c/B || A4 ||
This one seems similar to The Royal Recovery (#210 in the Gow Collection).
-Steve
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Re: [scots-l] tunes that aren't in 8 bars
Anselm Lingnau wrote: There are two fairly well-known (recent) Scottish country dances by Hugh Foss which use non-8-bar phrases. One is The Wee Cooper of Fife, written in 10-bar phrases to the song of the same name... This dance is especially entertaining when the musicians don't have the right music and figure any 40-bar jig will do... 5 8-bar phrases don't equal 4 10-bar phrases! -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, CA Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Peeri Weeri
Keith W Dunn wrote: Does anyone know the story behind this tune? I've read that it's either a Shetland or Orkney tune but what about the author? Anddoes anyone have a gif or jpg file of it that they could send to me off list? If so..send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've searched the net through Google and wasn't able to find much at all. I heard Alasdair Frasers version and liked it quiet a bit but as I said, I haven't been able to find any information on it or a gif \ jpg file anywhere. I don't have an abc conversion program. Also, I read that it was somehow associated to Trowie tunes. So, there must be more. Does anyone have a list of Trowie or Trow tunes? Keith Dunn According to the liner notes for Return to Kintail, Alasdair learned the tune from Buddy MacMaster. I assume it came to the Cape Breton tradition via the Skye Collection (Keith Norman MacDonald, 1887) in which a slightly different version is published as The Perrie Werrie; there's no info there as to its origin, unfortunately. The Cape Breton setting of the tune is included in Jerry Holland's Second Collection (also listed as The Perrie Werrie). Sorry I don't have a file for you, but I do highly recommend JH's 2nd collection, and The Skye Collection for that matter. There's info on both publications at Cranford Publishing's website at http://www.cranfordpub.com/index.htm . Regarding abc conversion programs; on my Mac I use BarFly, which is freeware written by Phil Taylor. I can't say enough good things about it; I discover new and handy features almost every time I use it! -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, CA Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Whistles, learning by ear and more....!
Philip Whitaker wrote: The teaching of traditional music has its theories too. The main shibboleth is "learning by ear". Firstly learning by ear is a misnomer. For one thing players I talk to about this look at the players hands if they are learning a tune. snip Well I guess I agree that one is not really learning tunes "by ear" by picking them up from watching someone else's fingering, but I think you're dismissing the concept too quickly. I play fiddle and I can learn tunes by ear; it's a skill that's useful for picking up tunes from players of other instruments or from recordings. For me what works best is first to learn to hum or lilt the tune; if I can get it into my head it's pretty easy to translate it to the fingerboard. BTW I have classical violin training but am self-taught as regards folk music. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, CA Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] another place for Rob (or maybe Nigel) to visit
Well actually Fender did make an "Yngwie Malmsteen" custom model Stratocaster with a scalloped fretboard for a number of years but as you say, this never really caught on amongst guitarists. I suspect one reason is that an electric guitarist can get many of the same effects by either bending the strings (i.e., pulling them sideways) or using a tremelo bar (which changes pitch by moving the bridge and reducing or increasing string tension), and with either of these methods the guitarist doesn't have to worry too much about finger pressure affecting intonation. Might be interesting to see what could be done with this on an acoustic guitar, though. -Steve --Original Message-- From: John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 28, 2001 4:23:41 PM GMT Subject: Re: [scots-l] another place for Rob (or maybe Nigel) to visit snip I wonder why this design hasn't ever caught on in the West? You'd think that rock and jazz musicians would like it. Maybe it'll be the "new" style guitar a few years from now. Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Correction to Rock re spinning
Janice Hopper wrote: Well, no, it isn't. A rock is another word for distaff, the holder for the flax or wool that was being spun. From M-W.com Main Entry: 3rock Function: noun Etymology: Middle English roc, from Middle Dutch rocke; akin to Old High German rocko distaff Date: 14th century 1 : DISTAFF 2 : the wool or flax on a distaff Janice in Duluth, GA a spinster and proud of it Since we're pretty much off the original subject anyway (Thanks Nigel for posting "Scott Skinner's Rocking Step;" it's a great tune and seems to me to fit the HD rocking step perfectly), can anyone help me make sense of the Scottish Country Dance title "The Rock and the Wee Pickle Tow?" Tow I understand to be a fiber for spinning, rock a distaff, and pickle a small quantity of grain, but how does this fit together? -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, CA Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Complaint about site administration policy
Sue Richards wrote: At 11:51 PM 1/4/01 -0800, you wrote: Well, I subscribe/unsubscribe system is not perfect and I am not perfect. His multiple email addresses had both the system and me quite confused, plus I was gone on vacation for a week. However I would have appreciated if he would have emailed me personally offlist to fix the situation. Toby Toby, I would have liked to email you personally too, but your email address doesn't show in the header. I didn't have the patience at the time to go to your website and look it up. Sue Are you sure? Toby's address appears in the headers of messages I've received from him via scots-l, including the one you quoted. Although you may not see them, the senders' addresses are embedded in the message headers so should be viewable with any decent e-mail client (you may need to change your preferences to see them). In the digest version of scots-l, at least in Outlook Express, the senders' addresses appear as clickable "mailto" links. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, CA Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: Blue Bonnet
SUZANNE MACDONALD wrote: Re Toby Rider's request for music to "Blue Bonnets Over the Border" , I goofed again in yesterday's e-mails, my references to the Athole collection should have read the Skye collection. Irony of ironies the 6/8 Bb version of the tune in the Athole on page 145 in the "Country Dances" section. There would appear to be some history to the the tune being played as a jig as is sometimes done in Cape Breton. Alexander Mac Donald Alexander, I'm getting doubles of all your postings! I'm familiar with 2 versions of this tune, the air and a faster 3-part version, to which the step dance Blue Bonnets is danced to. The way I learned it, this dance requires a tempo a little slower than jig speed; I think this version is a pipe march. I also looked up the reel in the Gow Collection and it doesn't appear to have anything in common with the other two. Toby, I don't have an online source for you but if you need the air or the reel (I don't have music for the jig, unfortunately) I can mail you a hardcopy in "standard notation." Let me know. -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, CA Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] unsubscribe
Ian J. L. Adkins wrote: Hello, please unsubscribe me temporarily from the list. Thanks Dae ye see whit's screivet doon belaw? Unner ma signature? Gae oan an tak a luik. See whit it is? Aye, instructions. Noo DAE IT YERSEL!!! Sigh. They nivver lairn. --Ian Ian, your rants always make my day! I think I'll have to start sending in the occasional "unsubscribe" request myself so I can see more of these postings :^) -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, CA Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:31:01 -0600
ladida wrote: I'm seeking advice from fiddlers: I've heard that all "cuts" should begin on a down bow. Is that good advice and is it always true? When inserting a cut I do seem to think it is easiest to begin on a down bow. However... I'm playing around with bowings in the tune 'Crossing the Minch' (aka 'McNabb's Hornpipe') and seem to think that it's easiest to slur the two eighth notes prior to the cut on a down bow (to give emphasis to the first note and soften the tune a bit) and then begin the cut on an up bow. It seems to work and I'm getting good speed on it. Any bowing advice from anyone familiar with this tune? Dianne Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm assuming the "cut" is the triplet (or 2-16th notes eighth note) figure on the 2nd beats (this would be called a shake or stutter in Irish)? My music shows the 1st beat as a dotted eighth followed by a 16th so I thought I'd better clarify. I'm self-taught (after years of classical lessons, followed by years of playing Irish fiddle) but I always play those starting with an up-bow (ie, up-down-up). In this case, slurring the 1st 2 notes of the measure on a downbow, starting the shake on an upbow, and taking the quarter note following the ornament on a downbow puts the accent on the 1st and 3rd beats, which I think is where you want it. I originally learned this ornament starting with upbow and I get much more speed this way than starting on a down bow. I think it's because the ornament works better for me out towards the tip of the bow, and preceding it with a downbow (if possible) sort of "cocks" my bow arm, giving me some tension that I can use to get the speed I want for the 16th notes. I've been thinking I probably should practice to get my speed up using a downbow on this ornament, to give some versatility, but I'm too lazy! I don't know what's typical in the Scottish tradition, but I understand many if not most Irish fiddlers learn this ornament with one bowing or the other, and pretty much stick to it. BTW, can anyone suggest a resource (preferably online) that discusses the Scottish fiddle ornaments and gives common names etc for them? Coming from an Irish fiddling background I'm having trouble with translating. -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, CA Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
