Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-17 Thread Hakan Falk
MM, Before we get too exited about savings by using DC instead of AC, we might look at where and why we have this large differences in the energy use by appliances. Let us first establish the fact that a conversion as such, will cost us between 3 to 10%, depending on method, size and

Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-16 Thread murdoch
On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 23:31:01 +0100, you wrote: MM, It is an option worth exploiting in the cases where it is possible. I got enough feedback, to say that it is valid in all EU countries with off peak tariffs, which are almost all. The picture is not clear in US, other than that in some

Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-16 Thread Dave Donnelly
Monday, March 15/04 murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the issue of efficiency in converting from AC to DC and then back to AC? Each of these conversion actions may have consequences in terms of lost energy, but I haven't yet figured out the losses. This has come up for me

Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-16 Thread murdoch
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:48:36 -0800 (PST), you wrote: Monday, March 15/04 murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the issue of efficiency in converting from AC to DC and then back to AC? Each of these conversion actions may have consequences in terms of lost energy, but I haven't yet

Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-13 Thread murdoch
The reason why I ask, is to know what could be gained by only a storage solution, by utilizing rate differences. If you have low rate prices, they are normally 50-60% lower than normal rates. With a battery storage solution, would it be feasible to charge during discounted time and that way

Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-13 Thread Hakan Falk
MM, It is an option worth exploiting in the cases where it is possible. I got enough feedback, to say that it is valid in all EU countries with off peak tariffs, which are almost all. The picture is not clear in US, other than that in some states it is a valid option. Disbursed storage, as in

Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-11 Thread Darryl McMahon
Hakan, I have done some superficial research, and my preliminary conclusion is that scale is the determining factor. For household-scale energy storage, batteries are the most economic solution for storing electricity. I did some rough calculations, and concluded that with realistic

Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-11 Thread glenne1949
Call it biofuel, energy storage, say from burning wvo. On what basis then could you discount the alternative of hot water storage in large, insulated tanks if the energy is to be spent in an hydronic system for a combination of space heating, swimming pool heating, and heating the driveway

Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-11 Thread Ken Provost
on 3/10/04 6:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Call it biofuel, energy storage, say from burning wvo. On what basis then could you discount the alternative of hot water storage in large, insulated tanks if the energy is to be spent in an hydronic system for a combination

Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-11 Thread Hakan Falk
Glenn, I do not think that water storage was excluded. Darryl also mentioned the building mass, which most people forget. It is solutions with storing heat in water and at the same time wasteful systems who are working on eliminating the influence of building mass. The discussion was about

Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-11 Thread glenne1949
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Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-11 Thread Darryl McMahon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (regarding my response to Hakan's post): Call it biofuel, energy storage, say from burning wvo. On what basis then could you discount the alternative of hot water storage in large, insulated tanks if the energy is to be spent in an hydronic system for a combination

Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-10 Thread murdoch
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:48:17 +0100, you wrote: I am preparing an article about general energy storages and wonder if anyone have calculated the costs for the battery storage part of small energy generation. The more I look at this, the more possibilities opens up, by using storage