Keith;
Let me say that you are doing a fine job on promoting Bio diesel, so don't
let anyone
put you down.
Now to the point, we all would like to see a list of producers in the USA as
well as the whole world, it sounds like a big project but it could be done.
What information should be
Hello all
I've been a subscriber to this excellent group for over a year now and this is
the first post that I've placed, so I hope someone can help.
I used to operate a Real Ale microbrewery in my town for a number of years
before giving up due to pressure from Duty payments and the 'Big
I don't know about biodiesel, but I have heard of decommissioned breweries
converting to fuel ethanol production.
Steve Madley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
04/30/2002 01:01 PM
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Thankyou Tom. No raw nerves or paranoia though, but thanks for the
apology. Peace, and good luck.
Regards
Keith
Wow, looks like I scraped a nerve rather raw. My sincere apologies. Its
probably something like your experience to work very hard to do something and
to be overlooked, checked and
Hello Robert
Keith;
Let me say that you are doing a fine job on promoting Bio diesel, so don't
let anyone
put you down.
Thankyou! We do try.
Now to the point, we all would like to see a list of producers in the USA as
well as the whole world, it sounds like a big project but it could be done.
Hello George
Good points you make. The company's called Methanex. Here's some background:
http://ens-news.com/ens/sep2001/2001L-09-07-09.html
NAFTA used to challenge environmental laws - September 7, 2001
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20011015c=1s=greider
The Right and US Trade Law:
Hi Jesse
I'm in Chapter one of Seven Sister, the book about the oil companies. It
is riveting! Finally the real history of how far the government is up big
oil's smoke stack.
Indeed yes. It was a pity leaving out the earlier chapters with what
I've been sending the list, it's all a real
Yeah. Cost me $11 but it is worth it.
Jess
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Thanks Todd, Ken, Jim, and - hey, just about everybody! You educate
me, and I'm deeply grateful.
Regards
Keith
Keith,
From my perspective, recovery of MeOH is best done at two
different stages. The first would be from the ester, after the
glycerin has settled, while the fuel is still warm
Tell me about that!
How can we retain jobs here if we have everything in Wal Mart and such big
stores (even small ones) have Made in China. GO and check Wal-Mart and try to
find one thing made in USA.
BUYER, BEWARE! Your Job is at stake!
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From: Keith Addison
After settling my glycerin, I decided to wash and neutraliza it. I first used
vinegar, but noticed the pH level whent down very slowly, and I was rather
diluting the glyc with too much water from the vinegar acetic acid solution.
So I reached for the HCl 35% (muriatic) acid.
pH started going
Eric, I read the 3 archives and what I previously said still stands.
The thermal efficiency of a diesel far exceeds a stirling.
The only time I would choose a stir;ing over a diesel is if my fuel were
wood, coal, biomass or solar.
None of those are useable in an internal combustion engine.
Christian writes:
So I suddenly forced pH too low, but in the meantime, big flocks of
something like
waxes or thick creamy greasy looking things started forming in the
mixture. When
I finished the heating, and adding some NaOH solution to return to
pH 7, the remaining
liquid was a mixture of
Interesting!
Does it always form? And is heating and neutralizaing the usual way of
getting to it?
Thanks
Christian
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Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] what could it be?
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Arguments against US corn and soybean biofuel seems
outlandish IF it boosts bushel price due to increased
demand thus lowering US gov't subsidize payments
helping to balance US deficits
You can take my discussion points as either
What I've learned is US corn (ethanol)
and soybean (biodiesel) are net gain fuel producers.
The US has a excess crop and few nations buying.
US gov't corn/soybean subsidy payments are much lower
then US gov't petroleum subsidy payments.
US gov't deficits are largely do to importing
As a after thought
what about added value of their by-products?
MH wrote:
Agreed!
motie_d wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Arguments against US corn and soybean biofuel seems
outlandish IF it boosts bushel price due to increased
demand thus
Nitric acid would work good because it is a strong acid and as a
strong acid has the capability to break the ester bonds, but that
isn't the problem. Nitric acid (HNO3) when added to the mix
breaks into an -OH group on the acid, and an -NO2 group on the
glycerol molecule. NO2 is nitro and
No Motie...no confusion here.
Are you aware that distiller's grains are fed to livestock?
Are you also aware that the vast majority of arable landmass is
dedicated to livestock?
Are you aware that the primary product of low-oil yielding
soybeans is feed meal for livestock?
In a nutshell, the
Bravo!
Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
04/30/2002 02:38 PM
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Christian asks:
Does it always form? And is heating and neutralizaing the
usual way of getting to it?
FFAs ionize to some extent (i.e., they form soap) down to
about pH 4.5, according to my expts. If you start with a collected
glycerine phase at around pH 10, and your aim is to get it to
Hello Keith and everybody
I read the links you sent, it kinda leaves a man speechless.
Wouldn't you think that California could counter sue Methanex for the cost of
cleaning up the pollution and for endangering human lives. Couldn't Menthanex
be held accountable for what it's chemical did to
Methanex's chemical by itself did nothing to the environment. MTBE does
not separate itself from gasoline and selectively leak from the tank.
Although MTBE is a health risk, it is not by far the most toxic component
of gasoline.
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Yes, and we in Canada should do the same to Ethyl, eh?
They set the precedent that will now serve Methanex.
See: http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/envronmt/ethyl.htm
Edward Beggs, BES, MSc
www.biofuels.ca
on 4/30/02 1:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Keith
Hey guys. Just as some background, I'm a 16 year old girl from New
York. I am on my school's Envirothon team (you can kinda guess what
that's about...) and this year our problem is that hypothetically,
the government of town or city wants to replace large fields of corn
with growing switch
thanks for the information.
in journeytoforever.com there is an offer of how to make
PV in do it your self system do you know if it is available
and how good it is.
a.tov
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Here is one place to look:
http://www.nf-2000.org/secure/Crops/S568.htm
Regards,
Edward Beggs, BES, MSc
www.biofuels.ca
on 4/30/02 3:37 PM, beki317 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey guys. Just as some background, I'm a 16 year old girl from New
York. I am on my school's Envirothon team
Another one , US -
http://www.woodycrops.org/paducah/neuhauser.html
on 4/30/02 3:37 PM, beki317 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey guys.
Edward Beggs, BES, MSc
www.biofuels.ca
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Beki,
A Google search for coppiced willow or willow coppice will
have hundreds of strikes.
See also...
Willow in general - inclusive of energy table for hardwoods
http://www.esf.edu/willow/news2/n2home.htm
The Salix Consortium - New York
http://www.esf.edu/willow/news1/n1home.htm
Salix -
Hmmm, corn makes biofuel too..
ethanol and biodiesel, as well as feed. sounds like a step backwards.
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On Wed, 1 May 2002 00:43:04 +0200, you wrote:
thanks for the information.
in journeytoforever.com there is an offer of how to make
PV in do it your self system do you know if it is available
and how good it is.
a.tov
I was thinking a bit more about your question today. Let me revisit the fuel
35% HCl (muriatic acid) is roughly 14.8 Molar (14.8 moles/Liter
solute) If you aren't familiar with the concept, 14.8 Molar is
extremely concentrated and is powerful enough to take the biodiesel
fatty acid esters and break them back into ffas and methanol. That
is why you don't want to wash
Gasoline is ~118,000 BTU/gallon
Diesel is ~135,000 BTU/gallon
Ethanol is ~80,000 BTU/gallon
BioDiesel is ~117,000 BTU/gallon
this, btw, is very interesting. take the time to go through it all.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/envaffairs/climate/doc_converti/Etoh/ETOH-FNL-RPTAug30-1
999.htm
I agree that much of the grain produced in the world is directly fed
to livestock and there are advantages and disadvantages here:
advantages:
a)the nutrients found in meat are more available to our bodies than
those found in plants (especially proteins and fats)
b)dairy cows fed
I would actually make more sense to ship the ethanol to CA or NY than
to build plants there since the raw ingredient: corn would then have
to be shipped in instead and the shipping costs from the midwest
would then result in the grain prices going down in the midwest (the
economy essentially
I don't claim to be a nutritionist, but could you define what you
mean by available? There is a difference between being
available and being usable. As well, there is also a difference
between being available and being available in too high a ratio
of caloric intake. Then of course there is
NY is a big corn grower in itself.
Steve Spence
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To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
From: Steve Madley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:01:08 +0100
Subject: [biofuels-biz] Anyone in similar position?
Reply-To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
Hello all
I've been a subscriber to this excellent group
From: National Biodiesel Board [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: newsletter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Biodiesel Bulletin
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:40:50 -0500
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BIODIESEL BULLETIN
A Monthly Newsletter of the
National Biodiesel Board
April 30, 2002
HEADLINES:
SENATE APPROVES
Yes, and we in Canada should do the same to Ethyl, eh?
They set the precedent that will now serve Methanex.
See: http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/envronmt/ethyl.htm
Edward Beggs, BES, MSc
www.biofuels.ca
How about Gerber?
... Chiefly because of this false advertising, according to
Shukrainternationals wrote:
Tell me about that!
How can we retain jobs here if we have everything in Wal Mart and
such big stores (even small ones) have Made in China. GO and check
Wal-Mart and try to find one thing made in USA.
BUYER, BEWARE! Your Job is at stake!
Um, who are you blaming?
thanks for the information.
in journeytoforever.com there is an offer of how to make
PV in do it your self system do you know if it is available
and how good it is.
a.tov
No offers at Journey to Forever (journeytoforever.org - there's no
journeytoforever.com), and no PVs, nor fuel cells. Not
Hello Robert
Keith;
Let me say that you are doing a fine job on promoting Bio diesel, so don't
let anyone
put you down.
Thankyou! We do try.
Now to the point, we all would like to see a list of producers in the USA as
well as the whole world, it sounds like a big project but it could be done.
Not yet I will try some more experiments in the future. I need a more
controlled environment. I am using a non heated building where the
control sample also displayed some separation. Sorry for the delayed
response all the ranting and raving turned me off to wading through the
emails.
Mike
I don't claim to be a nutritionist, but could you define what you
mean by available? There is a difference between being
available and being usable. As well, there is also a difference
between being available and being available in too high a ratio
of caloric intake. Then of course there is
People like David Morris and the ILSR, the Carbohydrate Economy
Clearinghouse and Sustainable Minnesota do good work with these
issues, but people don't want to listen.
Carbohydrate Economy Clearinghouse
http://www.carbohydrateeconomy.org/
Appal Energy wrote:
I have a really difficult time accepting the broadness of such a
premise. I'm not exactly protein or lipid deficient on an almost
entirely vegetarian diet, or at least my tailor keeps telling me
so each time I take the Levis in for alterations.
Todd Swearingen
Mr Beggs
I read your link and noticed that it was dated April 1997. In the article it
said that the lawyers for Ethyl thought the lawsuit would be over by year's
end. Is this lawsuit over yet and if so, how did this end?
George
Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, and
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