I have always thought this was two things.
1 Getting up to maximum mpg speed assume 75kph as quickly as possible.
This means that minimal time is spent when an engine is at minimal
efficiency. You might not be using much fuel at 10 kph.. But it would be
better to use twice as much fuel and go 30
I would imagine that a nice, fat tax of say 2 bollars a gallon would be
helpful.
All of a sudden, instead of making more sense, $$-wise to buy a Honda
Civic,that gets 35 mpg,
it now mkes more sense to buy the Honda Civic Hybrid model, even though it
is thousands more in price.
All of a sudden,
And the magic is finding a way to do it without
sending good money after bad, and ending up accused of supporting a dictator
or having local bullies take all the assistance,
vs trying to affect some change, and be accused of sticking your
nose in other peoples business.
naturally, if you are
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:07:28 +1000
From: Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: revote
On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:42, you wrote:
because unless everyone is honest, then you would have people
voting for different candidates than before, because
they didn't like the outcome.
FW..
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From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 8:09 PM
To: Crabb, David
Subject: RE: [biofuel] tax in sweden
Hi David,
From the beginning there were no cap on income taxes
and it was very crazy consequences of it. Some 25 years
ago
because unless everyone is honest, then you would have people
voting for different candidates than before, because
they didn't like the outcome.
you would also have people, who didn't bother voting before,
now voting. as well as people who voted before but can not
take time off again to vote,
And this is better than creating a traffic jam on an interstate so the
likely suburban voters of
your opponent will not make it home in time to vote?
Atleast with 'the list', it is given to the counties, and they can use them
or not some did not.
If there is no one stepping forward that said X
Why not continue the online at the county level just like now.
I can't imagine how a misaligned touch screen could cause an error,
other than a bad input. Its not the same kind of an error as seeing one
candidate on the screen while another one is 'saved'
I have seen it myself.. my old man at
I am not an authority on this subject, but I believe in order to truly be
a democracy, then everyone gets to go vote.
Certainly this is fine for town hall meetings, and county wide contests..
and a small number of items put up for public vote..
but it becomes more difficult when you are
From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Smoking Gun WMD Site in Iraq
Smoking Gun WMD Site in Iraq Turns Out to Contain Pesticide
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0407-09.htm
NEAR NAJAF, Iraq - A facility near Baghdad that a US officer had said
might finally be smoking
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:06:52 +0200
From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Bringing democracy to Sweden
I would say that it is more difficult to bring American
democracy to Sweden, than to Iraq. The Swedes are too
honest and already too democratic, to be degraded to the
US level.
So taking the survey for what it is...
90% of all countries are either 'better' than Sweden
or worse that the US...
10% off doesn't sound too shabby..
hardly all that bad,
and certainly not far closer
Thats like saying you have a VW Jetta that gets 55 mpg because it is a
manual transmission
Message: 10
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:22:45 +0100
From: Andrew Preston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Iraq - The statues fell...
Robert Fisk: UK Independent newspaper today..
http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=395707
Thanks for the link.. now atleast I know that
I agree. It's not salt solutions that were found with troops;
therefore, they probably were not preparing for the need to have
some water pumped into them, just in case they got too much sun.
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 00:30:10 +0200
From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Digest
being one of the very few presidents who lost a
reelection .. is just plain wrong to say that..
Since when is 2/3 of presidents not reelected considered to be a few
Toss out 'superheroes' that dont appear on money and its even worse.
I think if you look at the wartime era reelections...
I think one might come across the old question..
you are on an island that is going to blow up or whatever crisis
and there are 100 people.
you have two paths.. one which will have a 50% chance of saving everyone..
but an equal chance that all
will die.
..vs another path that 10% will
does anyone know whether you
can stick a vw TDI into a jeep wrangler?
I like the wrangler as a no -frills vehicle, but
dont really care for getting 16-19 mpg
I believe I have seen 80's vintage VW diesels installed in
Suzuki sidekicks, with apprx 35 mpg+ or so.
The wife is not terribly fond
I think it is a silly issue.
I don't believe in the story that it is just some
neanderthal rent-a-cop, recently canned from McDonald's,
wanting to show his stuff by harassing some hippies.
could be true.. but since oither get to know what happened based on
what was not in a report, so can I
I
I agree it is silly.
I was just saying that they werent arrested because they wore a shirt, but
because they refused to leave.
It was a protest to extent. How many people buy a shirt at a mall and then
put it on right there? They could have just taken their shirts back off but
did not.
Thus
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:31:46 -0600
From: harley3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Gifts to North Korea
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Has anyone actually heard the security guards side of the story?
Right now we only hear one side.
We all know what we get when that happens.
Message: 6
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 02:10:44 -0500
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Subject: Re: protest
Which makes the matter even more
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Does anyone have any suggestions for
good
They were arrested because they refused to leave.
They were asked, by mall security, to either take off their shirts, or
leave.
Apparently the mall didnt want a protest starting etc.
Its private property, they can do what they want.
When they refused to swap shirts, they were asked to
Does anyone have any suggestions for
good home power diesel generators made for off grid power
supply?
not just as a backup
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Subject: Re: The oil in Iraq
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Hey this is great. Do these MB motors share the same 'potential' issue
of the VW TDI?
don't want to start another argument about whether there *is* an issue or
not
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:09:33 -0800
From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Dodge
amount to most difficulties in the world.
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Crabb, David wrote:
What could be the possible rationale for this?
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The patriot missle system was not intended to hit the target.
While it would be extra nice if it did, there wasn't time givent the
technology to do so.
What it would do was go up and try to get in its path and explode close
enough to damage it, hopefully destroying it.
It was known to not hit it
I apologize for my insolence and my nasty talk.
Truly it did not promote the cause.
I am not a 'greeny'. I am way on the other side, but I want to see
renewable action.
I see it as far superior to being tied to fixed energy suppliers like an
addict.
I annoyed me to no end to see Bush, whom I
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 11:48:32 -0500
From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Digest Number 481
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Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:17 PM
Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Digest
hitler:
You seem to be older than me, as you spoke of personal knowledge,
so I will bow to your wisdom concerning this matter. :)
All else would be speculation and estimation on my part as I haven't lived
through it or seen anything on this.
I think it would make a nice topic for the History
I apolgize if I came across as an attack to call it junk.
I called it that since my assumption was that if it was sewered.. it was
junk.
I just am wondering what most people would do.
I like a decentralized fuel system, but not with many people just dumping
waste.
It would defeat the purpose.
What could be the possible rationale for this?
I find that most of the bad gov't plans are made by what appear to be well
meaning
but short sighted people.
Surely, installing solar cells would lower the peak energy usage and the
costly
powerplants needed to provide this power. What is the
This is somewhat correct.
Your example of coolant is exactly right. Not that many people flush their
own coolant or even do it as often as they are supposed to do so. Take
these same rocket scientists, who don't know what they are doing.. or just
dont care
once its dumped down the gutter..
What does it take to 'convert' to run on biodiesel?
isnt this just switching fuels?
If they added cat converters to their fleet that would mean they HAD to run
on biodiesel else clog them up then that would
be a 'commitment'
Otherwise.. thats like wanting kudos for running CF lights but
Bush = the devil.
w.t.*. is the excuse for this one. I'm starting to get mad at this guy.
Message: 9
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 22:17:10 +0900
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: What's wrong with this picture? (apart from a lot of things)
have been robbed.
they are just different.. but they all have rules layed out ahead of time...
thanks.
RE: Democracy--Nazi Germany was Democratic!???
From: Crabb, David [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Here is something about high pressue and dangers..
This is a video taken in 6000 feet of water. An undersea robot is sawing a
3mm wide slit (1/10th of an inch ... remember that width) in a pipeline.
The pressure inside the pipeline is 0 psig, while the pressure outside is
2700 psi, or 1.3
Speaking of this is there a ranking on the easiness of collecting the crop?
jatropha sounds nice for arid areas, and looks highly productive, but can
you get to the oil source easily?
I don't want to spend 10 times as much time collecting the 'fruit of the
labor'
Atleast coconuts are easy to
I believe that they dont take a bunch of extra fuel around just in case they
need to get to any object in the earths orbit.
Its not like they can just fill up at a station along the way.
although this is interesting, they could leave refueling items at various
places in orbit, should this need to
I think it would be safe for all of us to agree
that it was not Nazi Germany was Democratic
but that Nazi Germany came into being in a democratic system?
I think you and Thor both have some valid points.
I don't, however, agree with you on your comparison to Today's Us president
and
the
Does anyone know what species produces the most oil?
how about maturity times?
thanks
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Sorry about that.. i guess it is the medium. I misinterpreted what you
were saying.
Of course.. this Is kind of silly since the 'car doesnt exist' ha.
but if you can just compress the ambient air.. there certainly could be
benefits such as not
having to deal with pure hydrogen and oxygen.
a
Probably a couple of factors,i.m.o.
80 is probably the cruise.
It doesnt include the 20+ miles that the vehicle could drive before
even using a drop of diesel. Drive 30 miles and you are getting 800 mpg.
of diesel 'used' of course
80mpg is in basically, a convertible. It would have less drag
Regarding the monolithic domes and earth stuff from previous posts and this.
Could one take a standard beam construction. apply a layer of
polyurethane,and
then apply a layer of shotcrete to fill the void. I would think
this would give one the insulation properties of the foam.. with the
alternative energy. They decided
to
use that momentum to support more military deployment in the Middle East!
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From: Crabb, David [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] air car
Over here on our west coast, they started increasing the registration fee
for
honda insights. Why?.. the logic was that they weren't paying 'their
share'
of road taxes on the fuel. They deemed that since they were using the
road
when driving, they were not using as much gas as everyone else,
I am sure the transmission loss factor vs gas formulation cost has been
beaten to death in other discussions of EVs.
But just to make is more simple.
assume your Solar panel is sitting on your roof.
there wont be too much of a transmission losses.
so all day long, you can compress air in a tank
Also.. I just wanted to state that I was not trying to say that the 50% was
only
because of the climate. Just that the climate had to be taken into account.
If you just look at the san diego zoo as an example.
Go there in the summer time, and it is hot as balls outside. In one of the
Of course.. since they will need to tax this like they will tax you for
making your own bio-diesel..
they will effectively be taxing air...
ha
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:55:42 -
. From: Nick Taylor (SMTechnology.com) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Taxed To DEATH
$1.67 a GALLON??? You
I think it is because it is extra stinky here, and no one likes to get that
stink on their hands..
because you carry that for a while. People are lazy and dont want to put
the gloves on.. heh
Also, you cant go to every station and get diesel.. so that limits the
ability to go driving about late
I thought a good add would be
to show some poison.. maybe some weedkiller..
thrown on some grass.. and then showing the grass dead..
and then show some idiots burning the weedkiller and smoking it
and maybe saying.. 'what do you mean breathing this is bad
and then show some gas poured on some
Re:
Californians 50%
I don't want to step on a good thing, but is it 50% because of the climate,
or 50% because Californians are
different or more energy conscious?
My gfather lives in San Diego. He almost never has to turn the heat on,
ever. He only uses AC on the
hotest of days.. perhaps 5
Here in my state we can have alternative power providers.
One potential is to provide a Renewable Power Option.
This has atleast one benefit, in that you can charge different rates for you
power
than the local Power Company. So even if it is slightly higher at first,
you
would be able to
If you burn straight VO , are you releasing acrolein?
Is it better to deal with the nastiness of this vs the nastiness of using
Methanol to convert
to Biodiesel.?
what about if there is a cat converter?
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From: James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: diesel gen
might want to take a look at Capstone:
http://www.microturbine.com/
James Slayden
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Crabb, David wrote:
Hello.,
I would like to stop pumping petroleum into one of my cars.
I am looking forward to trying
Well, thats kind of silly, I wonder what the logic is?
..well atleast the logic 'given'...heh
I apologize for speaking otherwise.. I asked a Tax advisor, and
he went into it, but didnt mention anything about a weight limit.
sorry about that.
Message: 2
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 05:36:33 -0800
My mistake.. I meant to say Diesel engine, that might normally drive a large
generator.
Intent is to have an engine that is as small as possible saves fuel to
propel the vehicle at highway speeds. I imagine a 15 hp motor would do it.
Its a small car. It is ok to have max of 90 kph
Passing,
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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:45:35 -
From: motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RE:Ag subsidies
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wrote:
I
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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:43:03 -
From: malcolm.scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Public Money in the Pipeline
snip
The Baku pipeline is hardly an isolated example. Under the energy
plan developed by Vice President Dick Cheney, the Bush administration
is financing a
I appreciate the proof statement. Its nice to hear that instead of it had
to happen
I will give you one back at you and say that I am not a demolitions expert
either.
I think the reasons for this is that the building did what they were
supposed to do.. survive the
impact of the plane. What the
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:10:18 +0900
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RE:Ag subsidies
Motie wrote:
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wrote:
I would think that instead of having agricultural
Message: 9
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:10:18 +0900
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RE:Ag subsidies
Same with corn (surplus corn is the cheapest thing for Americans to
burn in their woodstoves - more than a billion bushels
I would think that instead of having agricultural subsidies,
or paying people NOT to grow things on their land, that
we should instead get subsidize them to crow biofuel on their land.
Or agree to pay $X per amount of product., if you still want to keep the
price of soybeans up. Paying somone
Hmm yes, I guess so. I just dont see how the world would stand for
something to
be just taken like oil. I just dont believe it. If not for the only reason
that the
'other' countries would be angry that they are not getting any of the 'free'
oil.
What i *will* accept and believe is that oil
Hmm I was not aware of any specific cars where
you get extra money other than if its hybrid, EV etc
Unfortunately, I did not see any reference to this 'list'
The only reason i can see being that some large SUVs
being sold would help specific companies maintain business.
Heh,, perhaps there
to be mad
about.
Crabb, David wrote:
Well, on the other hand, who the hell cares what he wrote - some of
the world's foremost historians are Americans, but Mr Crabb sure
isn't among them. Just another one, overdefensive as ever, the same
old usual boring dysfunctional bipolar thinking, devoid
Hello.,
I would like to stop pumping petroleum into one of my cars.
I am looking forward to trying to convert a crx to run on hybrid powertrain.
I would like to run a diesel generator, inline with a clutch, then a dual
shaft electric motor, then into the transmission.
Are there any companies
I can mostly agree with this, MM, but I have absolutely NO sympathy
for your ideas on where we are getting our fuel and at what price.
The huge price is to the people of the Middle East, and the world,
and there's worse to come, from the same culprits - led, first and
foremost, by the
You get to deduct if you use if for business purposes.. etc..
just like you could if you purchased a $50,000 electric car, or biodiesel
burning car..
or whatever.
Saying that it is a tax rebate for SUV purchases is tantamount to telling a
lie.
Just because you might not like SUVs is no excuse.
If somebody, like me for example, would claim that this looks like a
hidden subsidy to the American car industry and as such is against WTO
rules. This based on availability and possible planning advantages in favor
of the US domestic industry. What would be your answer?
I would say you are
since diesels dont have emmissions tests...
can a take say ... a suzuki sidekick.. and put a diesel in it?
ignore the issues of tranplanting it
just a matter of are you allowed to do that?
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 01:34:52 +0900
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: More on Jerusalem artichokes
Hi Harry
Thanks for those references Keith, they will be very useful.
You're most welcome, I'm glad you can use them.
produce enough food
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To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence. notice how they
get
all upset when you ask them to
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Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:13:35 -0400
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Subject: RE: list
We're stuck with them!
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Hello,
Can you use ethanol, instead of methanal, to crack the oil to make
biodiesel?
any web link to the process would be helpful too.. thank you in advance.
DC
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Im not saying there is hole.. not saying there isnt..
not saying global warming exists..not saying it doesnt.
All I know is that in the late 70s.. they were talking about us going into
an ice age..
studies and readings said so...
because they thought the pollution in the atmosphere was
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:51:17 -
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Added to the water supply to dairy cattle, that and O2 added to the
water increases milk production 5-10%.
How much did the milk production go
Message: 1
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:32:14 +0100
From: Biofuels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What about making engine oil?
CASTROL R
http://www.castrol.com/products/cars_castrolr.html
makes you wonder whether this company got its name from Castoroil...-
Castroil...
theory as to why magnets work:
long hydrocarbon chains
are being broken down to shorter chains
umm.. correct me if I am wrong, but isnt the fuel's high octane specifically
*because* the
chains are longer? hence they will not burn so quickly?
now if the magnet is breaking this down..
Gerry wrote:
Mature coconuts would be required as they have thicker kernel
with have
more oil after they have been sun dried.
Are you quite sure that mature nuts have more oil? The meat is
harder in
those I've seen, and it may be a little thicker, but the
anyone know about how much $ you can get per 100 gal out of the glycerin
you get from of the biodiesel process ?
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By-pass Filters vs Factory Full Flow Filters
I think that Fram has a Super whammy guard filter out that has some sort of
by-pass filtering?
its like 10 bux
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Diesels are a different matter. Their stoich. ratio varies from 14 to
1 up
to 78 to one. Just about any combustible fuel will run a comression
ignition
engine. That's about it in a nutshell. Helpful?
Joe
Can you run gasoline in a diesel? I thought it would ignite before the
speaking of oil drilling...
why cant we just drill oil in the persian gulf.. it is international
waters...
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 03:37:35 +0900
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: From the UK: Volvo/Chalmers/Study Misrepresented
Hello Ed
This link explains some of it. The scientist's work was fine, but was
not
done in an engine, so the emissions results are not the same
Baby Bush needs to have his ass blistered to a fare-thee-well by
someone for his deceit. A resignation would be a fitting response,
preferably by him, rather than subjecting the masses to a public ass
whippin'.
Maybe you could wait more than 2 months before you demand a resignation,
which is
What is greenwashing ?
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