Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

I dont know man, but I think they've got a point. sustainable or not, there are many ways to slowly shift towrds other fuels until petro dominance fades away. The world will go on through this process, although this doesn't come overnight. With all due respect to your position, it kinda makes

Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

Nah, that was *my* point, the Economist pretty much said don't worry be happy - technology will save us. I was just trying to tweak Redler. Luis Eduardo Puerto wrote: I dont know man, but I think they've got a point. sustainable or not, there are many ways to slowly shift towrds other

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Redler is old. Michael Redler wrote: By the way, even though I quoted the lyrics, I didn't think it came from Zack, I thought it was much older than that (otherwise, I would have given the source). Mike */Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: how old are you mike? not

Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

Luis, It is only around a year ago, that we established that biofuels would be competitive with an oil price of $35 to $40 a barrel, especially biodiesel. At the current levels over $70 a barrel, biofuels are cheaper than oil. Everybody expect that it will stay on this level and even go

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Weave! You smart aleckPUNK (spray/cough)!Where's my cane?!Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Redler is old.Michael Redler wrote: By the way, even though I quoted the lyrics, I didn't think it came from Zack, I thought it was much older than that (otherwise, I would have given the

Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

Oops - you're younger than me. Were you a mechanic? I was, wy back when. Now you hot rod cars with a computer. I souped up my TDI with a chip, software and an air intake. Still thinking about injectors... -M Michael Redler wrote: I'm a 39 year old, first generation head banger and

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I wasn't a mechanic (although I knew my way around a shop). My father is a pipeline welder and steam fitter and most of my friends are in industry or the building trades. I had a bigger interest in understanding how things worked. So, I decided to go to school and become an engineer. I'm the only

Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

Trust us - we're experts! An engine that Rudolf Diesel showed at the 1900 World Exhibition in Paris ran on peanut oil, and biodiesel has been in small-scale use here and there since the 1930s. You can make it from animal fats, oilseeds, used cooking oil, sugar, grain and more.

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Yeah, I agree with you. Although in my country Colombia, there is a blooming industry of ethanol, with participation of obviously the sugar industry behind on one side, and the biodiesel industry on the other that is also staring to emerge. Today at the pump you get ethanol mixed with gasoline,

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Yeah, I agree with you. Although in my country Colombia, there is a blooming industry of ethanol, with participation of obviously the sugar industry behind on one side, and the biodiesel industry on the other that is also staring to emerge. Today at the pump you get ethanol mixed with gasoline,

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Watch it, Sonny, I'm five years older than you. Show some respect! Michael Redler wrote: Weave! You smart aleck PUNK (spray/cough)! Where's my cane?! */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Redler is old. Michael Redler wrote: By the way, even though I quoted the

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thats not fair, i listen to most of what he listed and probably most of what he didnt, and im 22, so, bleh ;P - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] And what does the

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aha, but you see, the USD isnt worth the rag they print it on, so even if it sounds like a lot, its only an ego trip, and when the bubble pops the olio companies are gonna be in a world of hurtin', because WE'LL hold all the cards, and they wont be able to liquidate fast enough. quite frankly i

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Oh yeah, well I'm exactly twice as old as you are so that makes me, uh, old? Not to mention forgetful... Jason Katie wrote: thats not fair, i listen to most of what he listed and probably most of what he didnt, and im 22, so, bleh ;P - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

That's a lot of information to put in one's head in such a short time.Neo! Is that you?:-) Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thats not fair, i listen to most of what he listed and probably most of what he didnt, and im 22, so, bleh ;P- Original Message - From: "Mike

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That's why I keep my head empty... Michael Redler wrote: That's a lot of information to put in one's head in such a short time. Neo! Is that you? :-) */Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: thats not fair, i listen to most of what he listed and probably most of what

Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

like it or not, that is the most likely pathway to temporarily sustain the unsustainable. The governor of Montana is currently touting coal liquification (and throwing in clean coal buzz words all the while), ethanol plants utilize coal for process, thereby indirectly converting coal to

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In addition, if you look at the world coal reserves, link here: http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/ieo/coal.html The top 5 are: 1 US 2 Russia 3 China 4 India 5 Australia On 4/26/06, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: like it or not, that is the most likely pathway to temporarily sustain the

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Promise? Michael Redler wrote: Oh...dude...I didn't mean it. Really, it's gonna be OK. I'm sorry - really, really sorry. Redler */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Redler, you never like my ideas. You've made me cry. Now how do you feel? *snif* Ok I can't

Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

like it or not, that is the most likely pathway to temporarily sustain the unsustainable. The governor of Montana is currently touting coal liquification (and throwing in clean coal buzz words all the while), ethanol plants utilize coal for process, thereby indirectly converting coal to liquids.

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Temporarily?There is something about that word that makes me uncomfortable. We've been in the process of"temporary sustainability" [paraphrase] for at least thirty years. There is nothing temporary about it.My interpretation of this philosophy is that "temporary" is simply an extension

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how old are you mike? not often do i see Rage's lyrics in a conversation. - Original Message - From: Michael Redler To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil? Temporarily?

Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

I'm a 39 year old, first generation "head banger" and grew up listening to Van Halen, Led Zeppelin, Accept, Ozzy, Hendrix, Crue, Zappa, etc. In high school, I had shoulder length hair and spent my time with lots of garage mechanics who liked to make their cars go fast (I went to a trade school).My

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By the way, even though I quoted the lyrics, I didn't think it camefrom Zack, I thought it was much older than that (otherwise, I would have given the source).MikeJason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how old are you mike?not often do i see Rage's lyrics in a conversation.- Original

[Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

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Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

Schizophrenic/Procrastinating/Clueless economists:They concede to:The rising costs of oil exploration The eminent peak and subsequent end to oil as a main source of fuel The fact that for every three barrels used there is only onebarrel of newly discovered oil to replenish it.At the

Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

Redler, you never like my ideas. You've made me cry. Now how do you feel? *snif* Ok I can't leave well enough alone. A good friend who follows peak oil pretty closely sent me this. I think it's optimistic at best and pretty delusional at worst. How long will it take (and cost) to get all

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Mike Weaver wrote: Redler, you never like my ideas. You've made me cry. Now how do you feel? *snif* Ok I can't leave well enough alone. A good friend who follows peak oil pretty closely sent me this. I think it's optimistic at best and pretty delusional at worst. I found it to

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WE ARE SAVED! WELL EXCEPT FOR THE CARBON THING.. http://www.technologyreview.com/BizTech/wtr_16713,296,p1.html That's sarcasm folks... Joe Mike Weaver wrote: Redler, you never like my ideas. You've made me cry. Now how do you feel? *snif* Ok I can't leave well

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LOL! US have huge amounts of coal, one third of known world reserves. Now it is only left to get the Americans to buy diesel vehicles 1% of current autos, to levels like Europes 50% of current vehicles. So instead of dependance of foreign oil, US will be dependent of foreign autos, but it is

Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?

The great thing about the dialog we are having is that it is (conceivably) a permanent record of the times, creating perhaps a smaller task for revisionist historians in the future. The Neo-Conservatives of today will be compared (even more) to the cast of characters in Arthur Miller's "The

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We used to buy diesel cars in the US, but they were never too popular. Hakan Falk wrote: LOL! US have huge amounts of coal, one third of known world reserves. Now it is only left to get the Americans to buy diesel vehicles 1% of current autos, to levels like Europes 50% of current vehicles.

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3.69 gas is making Americans believers David Miller wrote: Mike Weaver wrote: Redler, you never like my ideas. You've made me cry. Now how do you feel? *snif* Ok I can't leave well enough alone. A good friend who follows peak oil pretty closely sent me this. I think it's optimistic at

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Ops! I have not had a gasoline car for at least 20 years and my first diesel 35 years ago. Maybe US can ship the diesel from the coal to Europe, it looks like they do not need it (cheap of course, to follow the energy purchasing evaluations they had for a long time). Maybe it should be

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Diesel Smart Car Hybrid Diesel Smart Car Hybrid Diesel Smart Van - with a six speed. Think of a modern Vespa Ape (bee) - a little truck or van - sort of like what the Japanese use. There are also in Latin America. Heck - I rarely need the size of my Golf, which believe me is considered SMALL

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Oh...dude...I didn't mean it.Really, it's gonna be OK.I'm sorry - really, really sorry.Redler Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Redler, you never like my ideas. You've made me cry. Now how do you feel? *snif*Ok I can't leave well enough alone. A good friend who follows peak oil

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i'd be happy to buy a diesel, but no way in hell will it run on coal-base. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?