Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Mike Harris
I encounter a similar situation all the time - usually in the context of public footpaths with short foot plank or sleeper bridges over ditches or very small streams in the countryside. My practice - which is open to change if there is a better solution that is widely accepted - is: 1. Split

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Mike Harris
+1 Mike Harris -Original Message- From: John Smith [mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 December 2009 03:36 To: Steve Bennett Cc: openstreetmap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches 2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Anthony

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Mike Harris
Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Steve Bennett [mailto:stevag...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 December 2009 03:38 To: John Smith Cc: openstreetmap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:36 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I tend to mark

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Mike Harris
Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Steve Bennett [mailto:stevag...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 December 2009 02:43 To: Anthony Cc: openstreetmap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: In a park is a ditch.  There is a very

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Richard Mann
Keepright fusses if highways with different layers meet at junctions (because it messes up rendering if the highways are drawn differently). So where you've got a bridge very close to a junction you have to put in a short way for the bridge and a very short way linking the bridge to the junction.

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com wrote: Layers are only there to explain the relative heights of things when they meet. No harm will result from marking the ditch as layer -1. See my separate reply - I disagree - what happens when the level=-1 ditch runs

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
It feels sometimes ridiculous to add layer tag to ditches and roads because everybody knows that in majority of cases when road and ditch are crossing, the road is above. A very typical example is in picture: http://www.coquillewatershed.org/Project%20photos/pages/lampa-199-culvert-03.htm There

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Anthony wrote: Ah, but I don't plan on ever visiting the OSM website when and if they switch to the ODbL. Best. Reason to switch to ODbL. Ever. Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Mike Harris
Fair points ... If it really doesn't matter to routers and other mappers and doesn't interfere with anything else then I am happy to accept that there is no fully logical solution and that it shouldn't matter to me either! Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Steve Bennett

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-15 Thread Chris Hill
Richard Fairhurst wrote: Anthony wrote: Ah, but I don't plan on ever visiting the OSM website when and if they switch to the ODbL. Best. Reason to switch to ODbL. Ever. Richard +1 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/12/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: So I've used barrier=entrance for the node where the way and the ditch cross. More specifically, barrier=entrance and bridge=yes. No, there's no junction node as the bridge goes over it, so

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Steve Bennett stevagewp at gmail.com writes: Anyway, I'm pretty sure it's already ok to have drain and road cross (without junction) at layer=0 - they'll be rendered right by any reasonable renderer. It should be obvious that water is the bottom layer, and power lines are the top layer,

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, I'm pretty sure it's already ok to have drain and road cross (without junction) at layer=0 - they'll be rendered right by any reasonable renderer. No ! That's not ok to rely on any reasonable renderers. This is

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread John Smith
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Asbolutely nothing. You're wy overthinking this, both of you. Layers are just a hack to make stuff render. It's not like It's not a hack, it's an easy way to order some elements when rendering so things look right. A hack would be using the

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:16 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: It's not a hack, it's an easy way to order some elements when rendering so things look right. A hack would be using the layer tag to alter the rendering order to make things look better if the rendering config is

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Pieren pieren3 at gmail.com writes: Always add the layer tag. And don't add a node at the intersection if they are not at the same layer. Otherwise how any software can guess if it's an intersection or not ? By going through thousands different combinations of highways/waterways/railways/etc

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread John Smith
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: IMHO, tagging layer=1 bridge=yes for a road going over water is an example of a hack, and tagging for the renderer. The information bridge=1 is more than enough to render with, so layer=1 can *only* be interpreted as giving a renderer a crutch.

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Peter Childs
2009/12/15 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: IMHO, tagging layer=1 bridge=yes for a road going over water is an example of a hack, and tagging for the renderer. The information bridge=1 is more than enough to render with, so layer=1 can *only*

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Richard Mann
bridge=yes is so that people can render nice parapets I'd agree that layer tags should not be required for water/highway crossings. Keepright should keepquiet! Richard On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fiwrote: Pieren pieren3 at gmail.com writes:

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Richard Mann
I guess we have to decide whether culverts or fords are the more common (and explicitly tag the less-common). I'd plump for culverts being significantly more common myself, but that might not be true on a whole-world basis. Richard On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread John Smith
2009/12/15 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org: If you have a bridge or a tunnel you don't need a layer tag a bridge infers it goes over a tunnel that it goes over Let's start with the basics, we're talking about a water way and a road way, what if neither is tagged with layer or tunnel or bridge

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Mike Harris
Kylla .. tosi on ... I wouldn't normally put in a culvert anyway ... it was just an example ... The only trouble with letting the way and the waterway cross with no layers is that some of the validators object ... not sure how important that is ... Mike Harris -Original Message-

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Ian Dees
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:52 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: bridge=yes is so that people can render nice parapets I'd agree that layer tags should not be required for water/highway crossings. Keepright should keepquiet! Although nothing is required in OSM,

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:36 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Without layer information you'd be guessing if the road goes over the water or the water goes over the road, or the water and road are at the same level. You could come up with sane defaults, That's the right thing

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi wrote: Of course I do not place nodes at the road-ditch intersections. But we have this kind of intersections where a ditch is goind under a road through a concrete or plastic pipe approximately every fine hundred

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Although nothing is required in OSM, the layer tag always helps on a bridge because you could have multiple bridges passing each other (as in a highway interchange). In that case, the layer tag specifies at what layer in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread John Smith
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: That's the right thing to do. Right is a preconceived notion, in this case it's the lazy thing to do, not nessicarily the right thing to do. Not if you document them. I agree that you can't leave everything up This is where explicit tagging can

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread John Smith
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Um, the layer tag helps specifically *only* in cases with bridges over bridges...which are exceedingly rare. So I would dispute your premise that the layer tag always helps on a bridge. And tunnels over tunnels, possibly multi-story underground car

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:25 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: You could come up with sane defaults, That's the right thing to do. Right is a preconceived notion, in this case it's the lazy thing to do, not nessicarily the right

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:25 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Um, the layer tag helps specifically *only* in cases with bridges over bridges...which are exceedingly rare. So I would dispute your premise that the layer tag always

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread John Smith
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Carefully talking out what these sane defaults are, documenting, and using them is not the lazy thing to do. You are assuming people are going to go to lengths to read such doco and more to the point understand the implications and as a result alter

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread John Smith
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: My argument stands. There is no need to tag layers *except* in those situations. And in those situations, layers are absolutely required. (Well, except that underground car parks are/will be tagged as underground...and again, a convention should be

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:54 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Carefully talking out what these sane defaults are, documenting, and using them is not the lazy thing to do. You are assuming people are going to go to lengths to read

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
Alight, I've had enough of this. Let's try and resolve the should layer tags be required at the right place: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:layer#Is_layer_required_for_bridges.2C_tunnels.2C_and_waterways.3F Steve ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: No, there's no junction node as the bridge goes over it, so barrier=entrance is not right here. Thanks everyone, especially Mike Harris and Martin Koppenhoefer. I'm convinced that barrier=entrance is wrong in

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: barrier=drainpipe (as an access node), access=yes? I guess barrier=culvert would be the more general and international term? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: barrier=drainpipe (as an access node), access=yes? I guess barrier=culvert would be the more general and international term? Um, a culvert isn't a barrier, by

[OSM-talk] Osmarender problems

2009-12-15 Thread Sajjad Anwar
Hello. I tried to render a data set of our region which we recently mapped using Osmarender. The rendering was fine. I could get the svg image. The problem was that, there where no names in the map, including the highways, buildings etc. What could be wrong? Please help out. Thanks! Regards. --

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: which I don't see as a bridge.  I could go with tunnel=yes on the ditch, but it's really not a ditch at all at the point it passes under the road. Before the road: waterway=drain, barrier=ditch Under the road: waterway=drain,

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: barrier=drainpipe (as an access node), access=yes? I guess barrier=culvert would be

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, I've finally understood..oops. You want to map this as a node, not a way. Well, my only other alternatives are to screw up the geometry (there's no gap between the edge of the road and the edge of the tunnel) or to

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Chris Hill
Steve Bennett wrote: Alight, I've had enough of this. You've had enough of it!!! After nearly fifty emails about how to tag a ditch with a bridge over it in a few hours I think everyone in OSM has had enough of it. I've rarely seen so much crap in such a small space. Haven't any of you

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Well, my only other alternatives are to screw up the geometry (there's no gap between the edge of the road and the edge of the tunnel) or to map the road as an area. Not seeing the problem. --):=|==:(--- -

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: Steve Bennett wrote: Alight, I've had enough of this. You've had enough of it!!! After nearly fifty emails about how to tag a ditch with a bridge over it in a few hours I think everyone in OSM has had enough of it.

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Shalabh
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: Steve Bennett wrote: Alight, I've had enough of this. You've had enough of it!!! After nearly fifty emails about how to tag a ditch with a bridge over it in a few hours I think everyone in OSM has had enough of it. I've

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Peter Childs
2009/12/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: Steve Bennett wrote: Alight, I've had enough of this. You've had enough of it!!!  After nearly fifty emails about how to tag a ditch with a bridge over it in a few hours I think

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Chris Hill wrote: You've had enough of it!!! After nearly fifty emails about how to tag a ditch with a bridge over it in a few hours I think everyone in OSM has had enough of it. Yes, I thought so too. Maybe we could ditch this discussion? Bye Frederik

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Emilie Laffray
2009/12/15 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Hi, Chris Hill wrote: You've had enough of it!!! After nearly fifty emails about how to tag a ditch with a bridge over it in a few hours I think everyone in OSM has had enough of it. Yes, I thought so too. Maybe we could ditch this

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Shalabh wrote: 1. A group of really useless people with nothing better to discuss or 2. A group of really diligent people making the world's map better and being assinine about it. 3. A group of no doubt lovely people who have temporarily forgotten about the existence of the tagging list

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Shalabh wrote: 1. A group of really useless people with nothing better to discuss or 2. A group of really diligent people making the world's map better and being assinine about it. 3. A group of no doubt

Re: [OSM-talk] Ditches

2009-12-15 Thread John F. Eldredge
If you are going to tag every culvert in the world, you are talking about adding millions of additional entries to the database. This seems rather unnecessary. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at

[OSM-talk] New Google Map Maker promotion

2009-12-15 Thread Roy Wallace
Apparently, OSM is lacking a bus: http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2009/12/mapping-india-on-googles-internet-bus.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-in] District Data

2009-12-15 Thread H.S.Rai
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 8:16 PM, H.S.Rai hardeep@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Harshad RJ harshad...@gmail.com wrote: Can you please try changing it's admin_level to 6? Done. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=30.61lon=76.08zoom=8layers=B000FTF showed border of Ludhiana

Re: [Talk-in] Naming in Hindi / Punjabi

2009-12-15 Thread H.S.Rai
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Pradeep B V pradee...@gmail.com wrote: name: Hindi name (English Name) I feel that is not the right approach. I disagree. This is very helpful as it helps both english literate and vernacular literate It has another issue. If one use these maps in GPS

Re: [Talk-in] Naming in Hindi / Punjabi

2009-12-15 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wednesday 16 Dec 2009 7:43:55 am H.S.Rai wrote: I disagree. This is very helpful as it helps both english literate and vernacular literate It has another issue. If one use these maps in GPS units (Like Garmin), then he won't able to search cities / POI named as per above scheme. Even

Re: [Talk-in] Naming in Hindi / Punjabi

2009-12-15 Thread vikas yadav
this is rendering in exclusive (whevever available) http://cassini.toolserver.org/tile-browse/browse-hi.html I'd go with (brackets) for better reading two different things - primary language of the state (english). ive used this same pattern for most of UP and few others. (the pattern somehow

Re: [Talk-in] Naming in Hindi / Punjabi

2009-12-15 Thread H.S.Rai
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: I am for name in english and name in regional language without brackets like: chennai சென்னை What I suggest, for English version, go to openstreetmap.org , for Hindi openstreetmap.org.in and for regional languages,

Re: [Talk-in] Naming in Hindi / Punjabi

2009-12-15 Thread vikas yadav
-1 okay, then hold the way it is now for about a year cause brakets is also a means I/we use to locate what is done and what is todo. the brakets are loaded with name:hi,pb,bn,etc and also with is_in:state,country,district,etc. and pin_codes. (most OSM india is still on unedited AND data)

Re: [Talk-in] Naming in Hindi / Punjabi

2009-12-15 Thread H.S.Rai
2009/12/16 ヴィカス ヤダヴァ (vikas yadav) mevi...@gmail.com: -1 Avoid top posting. okay, then hold the way it is now for about a year cause brakets is also a means I/we use to locate what is done and what is todo. For what to do, use wiki, diary, or personal notes, don't use OSM's main canvas.

[Talk-it] utilizzo mappe osm - carte UTM

2009-12-15 Thread brunetto
ciao a tutti! sarei molto molto interessato a produrre della cartine in scala con sovrapposta la griglia UTM.. avevo già chiesto qualcosa del genere anche tempo fa.. non vorrei sembrare insistente, è che anche leggendo qua è là faccio fatica ad orientarmi e a mettere in piedi una procedura

Re: [Talk-it] OSM su Repubblica onlin

2009-12-15 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Il 15/12/2009 01:45, Simone Cortesi ha scritto: la foundation ha comperato le foto aeree della striscia di gaza, io ero coinvolto nella faccenda e ne ho parlato al giornalista. un privato ci aveva fatto una sostanziosa donazione che permetteva di acquistare le foto geoeye di gaza, e cosi'

Re: [Talk-it] Aree sovrapposte

2009-12-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/12/7 Luigi Chiesa lchi...@tiscalinet.it I peggiori sono le strade a Y tracciate in un'unica way. http://osm Che intendi? Tipo gli svincoli a raso? (chiamiamoli così): .org/go/xZHqyIdIA-- http://osm.org/go/xZHqyIdIA-- Se intendevi queste, non credo validator possa farci nulla..

Re: [Talk-it] OSM su Repubblica onlin

2009-12-15 Thread mattruff...@libero.it
Bravi a tutti quelli si impegnano in OSM e grazie da parte mia. L'articolo su Repubblica è un grosso veicolo per la diffusione di un'altra via alla liberazione e condivisione del sapere. Lo scorso anno i miei piccoli studenti di seconda media hanno lavorato con OSM nel sito della scuola

Re: [Talk-it] utilizzo mappe osm - carte UTM

2009-12-15 Thread Alessandro Rubini
faccio fatica ad orientarmi e a mettere in piedi una procedura ordinata e fattibile.. soprattutto non saprei come creare le cartine in scala e come sovrapporre la griglia! La proiezione utm (universale trasversa di mercatore) non e` quella che vedi usata nei tile che tutti usano. Occorre

Re: [Talk-it] OSM su Repubblica onlin

2009-12-15 Thread Francesco Cherubini
Ma solo a me sembra che l'immagine di apertura del servizio sia presa da Google Maps !?!?!? http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8ll=40.613952,-1.82373spn=14.001531,19.753418z=6 On 12/15/09, mattruff...@libero.it mattruff...@libero.it wrote: Bravi a tutti quelli si impegnano in OSM e grazie da parte

Re: [Talk-it] OSM su Repubblica onlin

2009-12-15 Thread G Zamboni
Lo di sicuro. E se guardi a dx e vedi che 23 "link correlati" su 26 parlano di Google o GMail Ciao Giuliano Il 15/12/2009 12.55, Francesco Cherubini ha scritto: Ma solo a me sembra che l'immagine di apertura del servizio sia presa da Google Maps !?!?!?

Re: [Talk-it] Qualcuno ha un server che gli avanza ?

2009-12-15 Thread gvf
Il giorno ven, 11/12/2009 alle 19.23 +0100, Stefano Salvador ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, Siccome sono invidioso dei mappatori di altre regioni che hanno a disposizione dei bei servizi WMS in questi giorni mi sono deciso a configurare Geoserver in modo da servirmi la CTRN del Friuli

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-15 Thread John Smith
BP have this location on their site: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/585128133 Except when you view it with NearMap the site has been leveled, not sure if BP is rebuilding it or what ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-15 Thread swanilli
Two points: 1. The terminology foot=designated and bicycle=designated is confusing, since the opposite of designated is not no but undesignated or non-designated. Just leave it as it is on thousands of ways as bicycle=yes or no and foot=yes or no. There is no need for a change. 2. The idea that

Re: [talk-au] [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-15 Thread Liz
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, swanilli wrote: 2. The idea that every way on which bicycles are permitted should be designated cycleway implying it is primarily for bicycles, is, in my opinion either hopeful, naïve or arrogant. If you read, for example, the extract from the Australian Road Rules for

Re: [talk-au] [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-15 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:20 PM, swanilli swani...@gmail.com wrote: Two points: 1. The terminology foot=designated and bicycle=designated is confusing, since the opposite of designated is not no but undesignated or non-designated. Just leave it as it is on thousands of ways as bicycle=yes or

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
Ok, so who's going to write up a description of licensed_club, so we can ram through a proposal? Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:19 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: BP have this location on their site: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/585128133 Except when you view it with NearMap the site has been leveled, not sure if BP is rebuilding it or what To be a complete

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-15 Thread John Smith
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Ok, so who's going to write up a description of licensed_club, so we can ram through a proposal? Which is mostly a pointless exercise in game theory. Just document it, add it to the AU tagging guidelines and sneak it onto the map features page at

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-15 Thread John Smith
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Then again, had a quick look with streetview, looks like BPs on both sides. Both look pretty established, so I'm guessing it's demolished rather than new. The NearMap imagery is very recent, the same can't be said for sat imagery or streetview,

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:12 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Ok, so who's going to write up a description of licensed_club, so we can ram through a proposal? Which is mostly a pointless exercise in game theory. Just document it,

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-15 Thread Liz
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Steve Bennett wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:12 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Ok, so who's going to write up a description of licensed_club, so we can ram through a proposal? Which is mostly a

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-15 Thread Liz
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Liz wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Steve Bennett wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:12 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Ok, so who's going to write up a description of licensed_club, so we can ram through a

[talk-au] Intro video to OSM in Australia

2009-12-15 Thread John Smith
An idea came to me the other day about some kind of intro to OSM video, with a noticibly Australian slant to it. I've seen a couple of intro videos for different editors, but I had something else in mind, where we could cover things like getting and using a GPS and encouraging people to upload

Re: [talk-au] Intro video to OSM in Australia

2009-12-15 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:03 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: An idea came to me the other day about some kind of intro to OSM video, with a noticibly Australian slant to it. I've seen a couple of intro videos for different editors, but I had something else in mind, where we

Re: [talk-au] Intro video to OSM in Australia

2009-12-15 Thread John Smith
2009/12/16 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:03 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: An idea came to me the other day about some kind of intro to OSM video, with a noticibly Australian slant to it. I've seen a couple of intro videos for different

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida no desenho das vias

2009-12-15 Thread catdevrandom
Oi Flávio, On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:02:19 -0200 Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com wrote: até consegui colocar o WMS, com o Yahoo! Imagery, pra funcionar no JOSM, mas a resolução das imagens dá até dó (ao menos para a região que pretendo trabalhar). Eu tive um problema parecido com o JOSM no

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida no desenho das vias

2009-12-15 Thread Aun Johnsen
2009/12/15 catdevrandom gro...@catdevrandom.com Oi Flávio, On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:02:19 -0200 Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com wrote: até consegui colocar o WMS, com o Yahoo! Imagery, pra funcionar no JOSM, mas a resolução das imagens dá até dó (ao menos para a região que pretendo

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida no desenho das vias

2009-12-15 Thread Flávio Henrique
Olá Maira! Tudo bem? No começo apanhei muito no JOSM, mas depois que você insiste e pega o jeito fica fácil. Resolvi até o problema de rotas... rs. Estou utilizando o Potlach pro grosso e o JOSM para detalhes. Na verdade eu sou é de Goiânia. Estou em Brasília porque trabalho aqui. Não pretendo

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida no desenho das vias

2009-12-15 Thread Arlindo Pereira
2009/12/15 Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com Olá Maira! Tudo bem? No começo apanhei muito no JOSM, mas depois que você insiste e pega o jeito fica fácil. Resolvi até o problema de rotas... rs. Estou utilizando o Potlach pro grosso e o JOSM para detalhes. Na verdade eu sou é de Goiânia.

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida no desenho das vias

2009-12-15 Thread Bráulio Bezerra da Silva
Clicando com o botão direito em cima do layer do WMS há várias opções. Uma delas é mudar a resolução. Não precisa ficar desativando e ativando de novo. 2009/12/15 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org 2009/12/15 catdevrandom gro...@catdevrandom.com Oi Flávio, On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:02:19

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida no desenho das vias

2009-12-15 Thread Bráulio Bezerra da Silva
Agora fiquei curioso: como você resolveu o problema das rotas? 2009/12/15 Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com Olá Maira! Tudo bem? No começo apanhei muito no JOSM, mas depois que você insiste e pega o jeito fica fácil. Resolvi até o problema de rotas... rs. Estou utilizando o Potlach pro

[Talk-br] nmea logs para Campinas.

2009-12-15 Thread Alexandre da Costa Medeiros
Pessoal, Gostaria de contribuir com o projeto, porém não consigo fazer isso nesse momento editando os mapas diretamente. Alguém tem interesse em receber logs em nmea? Tenho um GPS Royaltek RBT-2300 que poder ser usado para registrar por onde ando na Cidade. - Alexandre C Medeiros

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida no desenho das vias

2009-12-15 Thread Vitor George
Onde vc conseguiu baixar esta versão do plugin? 2009/12/15 Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com 2009/12/15 Bráulio Bezerra da Silva brauliobeze...@gmail.com Agora fiquei curioso: como você resolveu o problema das rotas? Olá Bráulio. Instalei o plugin routing Version 19066 no JOSM (

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida no desenho das vias

2009-12-15 Thread Rodrigo Avila
2009/12/15 Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com: Olá Bráulio. Instalei o plugin routing Version 19066 no JOSM (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/JOSM/Plugins/Routing). Após isso e mais alguns minutos apanhando pra entender, consegui verificar as rotas nas vias que estou trabalhando. Muito

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida no desenho das vias

2009-12-15 Thread Flávio Henrique
2009/12/15 Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br Oi Flávio, se for possível, dá um curso aí pra gente... já tentei usar este plugin, mas nunca consegui fazer ele funcionar. -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br Pessoal,

Re: [Talk-de] Import von Planet.osm?

2009-12-15 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hallo Namensvetter, On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:53:01PM +0100, Florian Heer wrote: Hi! Von euch hat doch bestimmt jemand Erfahrung damit, was der import eines kompletten Planet-Files so an Resourcen braucht. 1. Postgres-Datenbank wieviel Platz auf der Platte brauche ich für ein aktuelles

Re: [Talk-de] Fragen zum Erstellen von Busrelationen

2009-12-15 Thread Wolfgang Wienke
Hallo! Jan Tappenbeck schrieb: Hallo André, meine Rückfragen habe eingefügt - ansonsten vielen Dank. Grundsätzlich wird pro Richtung eine Relation erstellt, welche dann in einer Oberrelation wieder zusammengefasst werden. == wie wird eine Oberrelation erstellt? noch nie gemacht (JSOM)?

Re: [Talk-de] Doctor

2009-12-15 Thread Sebastian Niehaus
Mirko Küster webmas...@ts-eastrail.de writes: Und weil es ja sowieso egal ist, trägst du jetzt Mist ein? Ich trage das ein was ich sehe und Sinn macht. Ein Arzt dessen Fachrichtung nicht erkennbar ist nützt dir in der Karte im Notfall wenig. Wenn es einen entsprechenden Tag gibt, der auch

Re: [Talk-de] Doctor

2009-12-15 Thread Sebastian Niehaus
Mirko Küster webmas...@ts-eastrail.de writes: Im ärztlichen Notfall schaust du auf die OSM-Karte? Ich würde das anders machen ;-) Wenn ich mir während der Tour den Hinter prelle rufe ich nicht gleich den Notruf. Da ist es gut auf der Karte den nächten Arzt sehen zu können. Und dann

Re: [Talk-de] Doctor

2009-12-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 15. Dezember 2009 09:44 schrieb Sebastian Niehaus nieh...@nospam.arcornews.de: specialty:de, anyone? Ich würde specialty bevorzugen, wobei mit entsprechenden Umsetzungslisten auch specialty:de international kein Problem wäre. Gruß Martin ___

Re: [Talk-de] Handwerk

2009-12-15 Thread Andre Hinrichs
Am Dienstag, den 15.12.2009, 03:10 +0100 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 15. Dezember 2009 03:04 schrieb geo.osm geo@googlemail.com: Was ich meine ist dann wohl sowas wie ein Maurer, der auch andere Sachen macht. Also vielleicht nen bricklayer oder mason. ja, das

Re: [Talk-de] Handwerk

2009-12-15 Thread Andre Hinrichs
Moin! Hat jemand schon an den ganz normalen Klempner gedacht? Also Gas-, Wasser- und Abwasser-Installateur. craft=plumber Gruß Andre Am Mittwoch, den 02.12.2009, 09:38 +0100 schrieb Peter Körner: Hi Ich tagge hier auf dem Land und wir haben im Ort 2 Tischler [1], 3 Metallbauer [2] und

Re: [Talk-de] Import von Planet.osm?

2009-12-15 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
Hallo, On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:53:01PM +0100, Florian Heer wrote: Hi! Von euch hat doch bestimmt jemand Erfahrung damit, was der import eines kompletten Planet-Files so an Resourcen braucht. 1. Postgres-Datenbank: wieviel Platz auf der Platte brauche ich für ein aktuelles Planet-file?

Re: [Talk-de] Handwerk

2009-12-15 Thread Peter Körner
Sehe ich auch so. Daher votiere ich dafür, dass der Landmaschinenbau, der bereits in der Liste enthalten ist, in eine andere Kategorie fallen sollte. Najaa.. das Beispiel, das ich vor Augen habe, ist ein Familienbetrieb mit ~5 Mitarbeitern, die vor allem Tanks für die lokalen Weinbaubetriebe

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