Re: [OSM-talk-be] WikiProject_Belgium/Chapter

2010-08-04 Thread Ben Laenen
Ivo De Broeck wrote: Bij het updaten van de wiki kwam ik de verloren pagina WikiProject_Belgium/Chapter tegen. Het lijkt mij een zeer goed idee en vraag me af dat we dit niet best ook realiseren. Graag uw mening op http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_Belgium/Chapter Check de

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Openstreetmap Foundation: the Belgian Chapter

2010-08-04 Thread wannes
2010/8/4 Ivo De Broeck ivo.debro...@gmail.com OK why can we not start the vzw? As Ben said: there is no need for it. -- wannes ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be

Re: [OSM-talk-be] WikiProject_Belgium/Chapter

2010-08-04 Thread Ben Laenen
ik zag talk-be niet in de To-lijst, dus forward ik het eerste antwoord van Ivo bij deze: --- Forwarded message: --- Ben, Bedankt voor de

[OSM-talk] Marine taggine/OpenSeamap

2010-08-04 Thread Bernhard R. Fischer
Hi! Is there somewhere a documentation about which data model is actually used by OSeaM? For hours, I searched through the wiki and I also downloaded some parts of the map using Josm to find out which tags are actually being used. The wiki list several different data models and this is

[OSM-talk] Attribution of OSM on nearmap.om?

2010-08-04 Thread Roman Neumüller
I'm missing the attribution of OSM data on the maps of nearmap - am I wrong or shouldn't it mention OSM on the map itself? On nearmap I only see the attribution after clicking Terms of Use... Roman ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-04 Thread Erik Johansson
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Ben Last wrote: the edits that we're submitting all come from one user (that represents NearMap) since we don't (and can't) require users of our site to all be registered with OSM. Whenever it has been raised in

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution of OSM on nearmap.om?

2010-08-04 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
I guess you mean: http://www.nearmap.com/ They are not using OpenStreetMap, apparently they're using the closed version: StreetMap Nice website though! Greetings, Floris Looijesteijn Roman Neumüller wrote: I'm missing the attribution of OSM data on the maps of nearmap - am I wrong or

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ben Last wrote: I'm not sure I agree. We don't want to put barriers in the way of an average user (and I use that term to explicitly distinguish between the average map site user and a mapping enthusiast) making simple corrections such as adding address information or naming un-named streets.

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: I kind of understand your situation but I think the way forward would be to either use OpenStreetBugs or set up an OpenStreetBugs like system yourself, maybe integrate that in your editor - so that users without an OSM account can only place OSB markers, and those (the

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution of OSM on nearmap.om?

2010-08-04 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/8/4 Roman Neumüller r.neumul...@gmail.com: I'm missing the attribution of OSM data on the maps of nearmap - am I wrong or shouldn't it mention OSM on the map itself? On nearmap I only see the attribution after clicking Terms of Use... And this is bad because...? Is there any rules how

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution of OSM on nearmap.om?

2010-08-04 Thread Ben Last
It's credited in the same place as all the copyrights and credits are listed: http://www.nearmap.com/legal/copyright http://www.nearmap.com/legal/terms-of-use You'll find it close to the section where we make it clear you can use our photomaps to derive work under CC-BY-SA... for example, to

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-04 Thread Ben Last
On 4 August 2010 15:06, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Maybe worth taking a clue from Cloudmade here, who have a similar situation with their Mapzen editor - they go through some effort to make the process as painless as possible for their users while still requiring them to register

Re: [OSM-talk] [josm-dev] Change to changeset comment handling, RfD

2010-08-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Anthony, The way I like to think of this is: If you speak to another mapper later that day, and they ask you what you've been up to? and you answer them in one sentence - that's what you should put as a changeset comment. Sounds like a better place for that would be a diary entry. If

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ben Last wrote: In particular ODbL+CT will require a contractual relationship (i.e. the contributor terms) between OSMF and the user. If you are not exposing the user to the sign-up process, they are not agreeing to this contract. No, they're agreeing to terms and conditions with us. We

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution of OSM on nearmap.om?

2010-08-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ben Last wrote: More seriously, though, this question has already been raised, and we follow the guidelines at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#I_would_like_to_use_OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_credit_you.3F and credit OpenStreetMap in the same way and with the same

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution of OSM on nearmap.om?

2010-08-04 Thread Ben Last
should typically != must :) But the key point is that we attribute OSM with the same prominence as we do any other supplier. You'll note that there is no copyright message relating to the photomaps on the main page (for us, or any supplier). Cheers b On 4 August 2010 16:32, Richard Fairhurst

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Heiko Jacobs wrote: I searched without success in the Wiki who official decided, when and *WHY* they decided, that data of contributors, who not (can) accept the ODbl, has to be removed. The formal decision for OSMF to go on with the ODbL relicensing process was the result of a vote

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution of OSM on nearmap.om?

2010-08-04 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 08:53, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: should typically != must :) But the key point is that we attribute OSM with the same prominence as we do any other supplier.  You'll note that there is no copyright message relating to the photomaps on the main page (for us,

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Ben, Ben Last wrote: I'm pretty certain there was some kind of web-based tag editor just before OAuth was finally set up but I cannot find the mailing list references. There wasn't a huge discussion back then - it was clear to everyone that what that editor was doing could be a proof of concept

Re: [OSM-talk] Marine taggine/OpenSeamap

2010-08-04 Thread Malcolm Herring
Bernhard, The OpenSeaMap data model definitions are contained in three files: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tonne/Datenmodell http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Bake/Datenmodell http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Leuchtfeuer/Datenmodell You will note that all the key/value pairs

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Heiko Jacobs wrote: I'm still searching the former decision (of LWG or any other) that the removal of data is mandatory and WHY it is on which legal base of copyright, CC or anything other. I don't think that there is any decision necessary. CC-BY-SA says data must only be distributed

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with names with postfixes / types

2010-08-04 Thread Brian Quinion
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:57 AM, woll w...@2-islands.com wrote: Better to keep this thread restricted to the subject of is it valid to tag names with postfixes, and have any technical discussions separately in the trac report! Yes - it was probably a mistake to reference the ticket in this

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution of OSM on nearmap.om?

2010-08-04 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
I take back my earlier comments, apparently it is ok to have it behind a link. Another website you might know also has it like this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/ If you could also fix the StreetMap and OpenStreetMaps texts this website will be a excellent addition to OSM. Greetings, Floris

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with names with postfixes / types

2010-08-04 Thread Emilie Laffray
2010/8/4 Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:57 AM, woll w...@2-islands.com wrote: Better to keep this thread restricted to the subject of is it valid to tag names with postfixes, and have any technical discussions separately in the trac report! Yes

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 9:00 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, 80n wrote: Does anyone know whether the code exists to do this yet? I doubt it. How are way splits handled (only one half of the way will have a full

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Andrzej, You kind of have a point there with addresses and all; assume you'd just produce your very own database of house numbers built by your users, then release that, say, as PD or CC0. It would only be days until someone in OSM came along and proposed to import your database into OSM, which

Re: [OSM-talk] Death by a thousand nitpicks

2010-08-04 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On 04/08/2010 15:34, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Let's try not to subject OSM data users to death by a thousand self-appointed license nitpickers. Self-appointed license nitpickers. Geez, I do love that quote. Can I use from time to time? -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es

Re: [OSM-talk] Death by a thousand nitpicks

2010-08-04 Thread Joseph Reeves
Let's try not to subject OSM data users to death by a thousand self-appointed license nitpickers. Mapquest, Microsoft and now Nearmap; whenever anybody tries to do anything with OSM, there's always a license / attribution backlash. It's really sad, but hopefully largely ignored outside the world

Re: [OSM-talk] Death by a thousand nitpicks

2010-08-04 Thread Kevin Peat
On 4 August 2010 14:34, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:53, Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu wrote: snipped Let's try not to subject OSM data users to death by a thousand self-appointed license nitpickers. +1 The negative attitude to nearmap is

Re: [OSM-talk] Death by a thousand nitpicks

2010-08-04 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Kevin Peat wrote: chop chop The negative attitude to nearmap is unjustified. It would be nice to see more businesses use the data and contribute back to the project in a responsible way as they are trying to do. I did not mean to sound that negative, I'm indeed no native English speaker. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Death by a thousand nitpicks

2010-08-04 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010, Joseph Reeves wrote: Let's try not to subject OSM data users to death by a thousand self-appointed license nitpickers. Mapquest, Microsoft and now Nearmap; whenever anybody tries to do anything with OSM, there's always a license / attribution backlash. It's really sad, but

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-04 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 4 August 2010 15:47, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: You kind of have a point there with addresses and all; assume you'd just produce your very own database of house numbers built by your users, then release that, say, as PD or CC0. It would only be days until someone in OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Death by a thousand nitpicks

2010-08-04 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On 04/08/2010 16:17, Stefan de Konink wrote: Do you really think that the OSMF tries to sue? Given their biggest license debate stuff is currently 'the license is not appropriate'? Hey, we'd sue the ass off Nike if they didn't have a litigation department. And if we could actually enforce the

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-04 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 4 August 2010 15:13, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: Let's look at it practically. If a proxy (e.g. nearmap) user commits vandalism, there are several things OSM may want to do: 1. undo the vandalism, 2. contact the user, 3. block the user. For 1. it's actually better that

Re: [OSM-talk] Death by a thousand nitpicks

2010-08-04 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: Worst case it becomes factual data, protected by some local laws or european dirrective. Sadly the fud is indeed the main issue. Hey, if the USGS can take over OSM in the US and make it public domain, don't expect me to exactly cry all over it

Re: [OSM-talk] Death by a thousand nitpicks

2010-08-04 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Do you really think that the OSMF tries to sue? Given their biggest license debate stuff is currently 'the license is not appropriate'? Worst case it becomes factual data, protected by some local laws or european dirrective. Sadly the fud is indeed the main issue. +1 Even protected, no one

Re: [OSM-talk] Death by a thousand nitpicks

2010-08-04 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On 04/08/2010 19:01, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: Let's create a fund to pay for license related legal action ;)) After all it is so sad having a license and not be able to enforce it ! Who is willing to contribute, say 5 dollars, to pay some lawyersjust in case.

Re: [OSM-talk] Death by a thousand nitpicks

2010-08-04 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: On 04/08/2010 19:01, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: Let's create a fund to pay for license related legal action ;)) After all it is so sad having a license and not be able to enforce it ! Who is willing to contribute,

Re: [OSM-talk] Death by a thousand nitpicks

2010-08-04 Thread Ian Dees
2010/8/4 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de On Wed, 4 Aug 2010, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: On 04/08/2010 19:01, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: Let's create a fund to pay for license related legal action ;)) After all it is so sad having a license and not be able

Re: [OSM-talk] Death by a thousand nitpicks

2010-08-04 Thread Ian Dees
2010/8/4 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de On Wed, 4 Aug 2010, Ian Dees wrote: Wait, how did the thread about NOT nitpicking over licensing issues turn into a donate so we can hire lawyers to nitpick thread? Probably because some people instead of doing something with our data (like big

Re: [OSM-talk] Death by a thousand nitpicks

2010-08-04 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Maybe because you missed the irony ? If you scare the users of our data away by hiring lawyers to nitpick over how OSM is represented in every which way then there's really no point in collecting all this data, is there +1 So get rid of any license, as a license without lawyers, is of

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map slides

2010-08-04 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 25 July 2010 20:56, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: My two talks for State of the Map  * Tag Central - a schema for OpenStreetMap  * What I learned making a real map on real paper for real people and real money are now available online at

Re: [OSM-talk] Marine taggine/OpenSeamap

2010-08-04 Thread Bernhard R. Fischer
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 12:58:13 Malcolm Herring wrote: Bernhard, The OpenSeaMap data model definitions are contained in three files: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tonne/Datenmodell http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Bake/Datenmodell

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread Liz
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: Prolific editors don't tend to restrict their activity to a single location. This might be more widespread than anticipated. Prolific editors also tend not to leave the project in a huff. No, they continue to make noise before they do.

[OSM-talk] Street Slide expands Street View functionality

2010-08-04 Thread simon
Fairly interesting improvement on the 'street view bubble' from Microsoft http://flowingdata.com/2010/08/04/browse-street-side-with-microsoft-street-slide/ Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Frederik Ramm schrieb: I doubt it, because there weren't any contributor terms before that. I told him that before we had the contributor terms, there was a note on the signup page saying, in effect, that by signing up you agree that all data you upload is placed under CC-BY-SA. Indeed.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread Liz
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: Liz, Since 80n has mooted this deadline some time ago, and only now you consider it, of course you think it is quite short. 80n first mentioned this deadline on 14th July, i.e. at the time that was six weeks. It was unclear to me what exactly

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-04 Thread John Smith
I'm slightly confused by all this talk about needing contractual agreements with all the end users and the OSM-F, or needing to identify Nearmap users to OSM-F. OSM already has data in the database from other projects, which was community sourced and licensed under various cc-by style licenses,

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-04 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:53 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: I'm slightly confused by all this talk about needing contractual agreements with all the end users and the OSM-F, or needing to identify Nearmap users to OSM-F. OSM already has data in the database from other

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 August 2010 08:02, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: I think the point that Frederik was trying to make was that this model (bulk imported in real time) is not ideal. Ideally, we want the users interacting directly with the OSM API rather than going through some intermediary service.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: We can simply decide to re-license, then ask everyone to agree, then disallow contributions from people who haven't agreed. All the time, the planet is still under CC-BY-SA. Then we evaluate the losses. Say we find that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 August 2010 08:25, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Who cares if that time is one year in the future? Who cares if that time is never? I'm guessing those that are more pragmatic and would like to be not redoing 20% or more of the work already mapped so they fork and move on with their lives

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-04 Thread Richard Mann
As long as the user is traceable, contactable and blockable (by Nearmap), and that user is clearly reminded not to copy data off other maps, then I'd let them get on with it. Richard On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:20 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 August 2010 08:02, Ian Dees

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-04 Thread Ben Last
On 4 August 2010 16:27, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: The major problem arises when, for example, a NearMap user starts correcting 300 street names using Google Maps as a source (http://www.openstreetmap.org/blocks/10); or they make a whole bunch of fictitious corrections a la

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-04 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: It's somewhat frustrating to find this being immediately classified in the same box as anonymous editing and/or vandalism. I wanted to make it clear that I'm ecstatic to finally see a simple map editor coming out. I look

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 August 2010 09:02, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: So let's talk about making that process easier instead of using the current broken system. Here we have Nearmap willing to spend time, money and other resources to address the issue and you want to waste further resources to discuss

Re: [Talk-it] Tag edifici

2010-08-04 Thread Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto
2010/8/4 MorSi mo...@inwind.it: Io con amenity=shelter ho taggato anche questa struttura in legno usata per le manifestazioni (1). E' corretto?? non mi sembra propriamente uno shelter... io l'avrei taggato semplicemente come teatro, aggiungendo opportuni tag (di cui non ho idea) per

Re: [Talk-it] Tag edifici

2010-08-04 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 04 agosto 2010 07:15, Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com ha scritto: non mi sembra propriamente uno shelter... io l'avrei taggato semplicemente come teatro, aggiungendo opportuni tag (di cui non ho idea) per segnalare che e' all'aperto +1 ciao Luca

Re: [Talk-it] Tag edifici

2010-08-04 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 03 agosto 2010 21:28, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2010/8/3 Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com: Alla fine poi quella proposta e' andata in votazione? Non mi sembra, ma direi che noi italiani abbiamo sufficiente forza d'urto per taggare tutti i bivacchi

Re: [Talk-it] ERA: [wiki] Nuove pagine in italiano!

2010-08-04 Thread Simone Saviolo
Il 03 agosto 2010 18:51, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 03 agosto 2010 17:38, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com ha scritto: Io l'ho sempre inteso come mappa che puoi far scivolare, contrapposta a quella a tile accessibile su t...@h. scusa ma non capisco, come

Re: [Talk-it] [wiki] Nuove pagine in italiano!

2010-08-04 Thread Simone Saviolo
Il 03 agosto 2010 23:36, gvf g...@gvf.ve.it ha scritto: Il giorno gio, 29/07/2010 alle 14.30 +0200, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: Ciao, sto traducendo il template del Map Status [1] . Se ho tempo farò anche un giro sulle pagine che lo usano per usare la versione localizzata; se qualcuno di voi

Re: [Talk-it] [wiki] Nuove pagine in italiano!

2010-08-04 Thread Simone Saviolo
Il 03 agosto 2010 23:42, gvf g...@gvf.ve.it ha scritto: Il giorno ven, 30/07/2010 alle 10.30 +0200, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: Ho tradotto (almeno per la parte comunemente usata) il template Place [1] . Ricordo inoltre a chi si è registrato sul wiki di includersi nelle categorie di

Re: [Talk-it] Tag edifici

2010-08-04 Thread Federico Cozzi
2010/8/4 Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com: Non mi sembra, ma direi che noi italiani abbiamo sufficiente forza d'urto per taggare tutti i bivacchi italiani (una 50ina solo in Val d'Aosta), oltre a amenity=shelter, anche tourism=basic_hut +1, ovviamente il mio tempo per farlo è veramente

Re: [Talk-it] Scala difficoltà in montagna

2010-08-04 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 8/4/10, Silvio silvio...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Confesso di averci pensato, ma non per una questione di campanilismo: preferirei utilizzare un metodo più internazionale. [...] Devo dire che invece per le mie zone preferisco la scala svizzera, che permette bene o male di dare indicazioni

Re: [Talk-it] ERA: [wiki] Nuove pagine in italiano!

2010-08-04 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 8/3/10, Daniele Forsi dfo...@gmail.com wrote: scrollabile no di sicuro :-) lo Zingarelli dice che scrollare vuol dire scuotere con forza e siccome non è solo scorrevole perché si può cambiare l'ingrandimento, userei qualcosa tipo mappa interattiva anche la mappa in cui ci si muove di un

Re: [Talk-it] esportare area in PDF da Mapnik

2010-08-04 Thread Gian-Paolo
Ciao Federico, Il 03 agosto 2010 21:59, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2010/8/3 Gian-Paolo gianpaolo.pall...@gmail.com: Non ho mai provato bigmap ma credo che la qualità dei formati vettoriali (pdf o svg) sia preferibile per la stampa. Differenza purtroppo inesistente se

Re: [Talk-it] Scala difficoltà in montagna

2010-08-04 Thread Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto
2010/8/4 Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com: On 8/4/10, Silvio silvio...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Confesso di averci pensato, ma non per una questione di campanilismo: preferirei utilizzare un metodo più internazionale. [...] Devo dire che invece per le mie zone preferisco la scala

Re: [Talk-it] Scala difficoltà in montagna

2010-08-04 Thread Silvio
Il giorno mer, 04/08/2010 alle 10.12 +0200, Elena of Valhalla ha scritto: Devo dire che invece per le mie zone preferisco la scala svizzera, che permette bene o male di dare indicazioni anche dal lato basso del range di difficolta`: mappando il parco del campo dei fiori (Varese) e` utile

Re: [Talk-it] Scala difficoltà in montagna

2010-08-04 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 8/4/10, Silvio silvio...@gmail.com wrote: A mio avviso la scala svizzera (0) e quella italiana (1) sostanzialmente corrispondono per i primi 4 gradi. [...] da ignorante, leggendo Può prevedere facili passaggi in roccia, non esposti e che comunque non richiedono conoscenze alpinistiche

Re: [Talk-it] [wiki] Nuove pagine in italiano!

2010-08-04 Thread gvf
Il giorno mer, 04/08/2010 alle 09.31 +0200, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: Se ho capito bene quello che dici, usando Template:Map_status (senza specificare una lingua), avrei automaticamente la versione localizzata solo se la localizzazione fosse in Template:It-Map_status? No, dico che per

Re: [Talk-it] [wiki] Nuove pagine in italiano!

2010-08-04 Thread gvf
Il giorno mer, 04/08/2010 alle 09.33 +0200, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: Il 03 agosto 2010 23:42, gvf g...@gvf.ve.it ha scritto: Il giorno ven, 30/07/2010 alle 10.30 +0200, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: Ho tradotto (almeno per la parte comunemente usata) il template Place [1] . Ricordo inoltre a

Re: [Talk-it] Scala difficoltà in montagna

2010-08-04 Thread Silvio
Il giorno mer, 04/08/2010 alle 13.58 +0200, Elena of Valhalla ha scritto: da ignorante, leggendo Può prevedere facili passaggi in roccia, non esposti e che comunque non richiedono conoscenze alpinistiche specifiche. e si svolge su sentiero difficile ed anche fuori pista a me sembra che la E

Re: [Talk-it] Scala difficoltà in montagna

2010-08-04 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 8/4/10, Silvio silvio...@gmail.com wrote: Tra l'altro non ho capito dove hai letto la seconda frase che parla di fuori pista. qui, in uno dei tre link della mail a cui rispondevo http://www.ilportalesardo.it/outdoor/escursioni/gradi.htm A parte questo il T3 della SAC

[Talk-it] Punti blu

2010-08-04 Thread Elena of Valhalla
E gia` che si parla di autostrade... i punti blu come si taggano? shop=? -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' homepage: http://www.trueelena.org email: elena.valha...@gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-it] Punti blu

2010-08-04 Thread Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: E gia` che si parla di autostrade... i punti blu come si taggano? shop=? I punti blu quelli dove chiedi informazioni e assistenza su telepass co? io li classificherei come degli info point, pero' non so il tag

Re: [Talk-it] Punti blu

2010-08-04 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 8/4/10, Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: i punti blu come si taggano? shop=? I punti blu quelli dove chiedi informazioni e assistenza su telepass co? io li classificherei come

Re: [Talk-it] [wiki] Nuove pagine in italiano!

2010-08-04 Thread iiizio iiizio
2010/8/4 gvf g...@gvf.ve.it: Visto che ci sono circa 8000 pagine di comuni da creare pensavo ad una soluzione se non completamente automatica almeno semiautomatica ricavando i limiti del box dai confini dei comuni presenti in database. Si otterebbe una cosa più precisa senza dover afre

Re: [Talk-it] Scala difficoltà in montagna

2010-08-04 Thread Silvio
Il giorno mer, 04/08/2010 alle 12.53 +0100, Luca Delucchi ha scritto: Il 04 agosto 2010 12:28, Silvio silvio...@gmail.com ha scritto: Se può servire, posso provare a fare una tabella di comparazione su cui discutere (ma non mi pare che l'argomento interessi molte persone, o sbaglio?).

[Talk-it] (no subject)

2010-08-04 Thread Elena of Valhalla
Ciao Guardando le autostrade della mia zona ho notato che mancava il tag toll=yes quando applicabile, anche sulle autostrade facili (ad esempio A26, contrapposte ad A8 e A9 con le barriere, che son casini :D ): sbaglio o andrebbero aggiunti? per ora l'ho fatto sulle due autostrade di cui sopra,

Re: [Talk-it] Punti blu

2010-08-04 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 04 agosto 2010 18:00, Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com ha scritto: secondo me e` piu` un negozio che un info point +1 -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' ciao Luca ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-it] Scala difficoltà in montagna

2010-08-04 Thread Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto
2010/8/4 Silvio silvio...@gmail.com: Il giorno mer, 04/08/2010 alle 12.53 +0100, Luca Delucchi ha scritto: Il 04 agosto 2010 12:28, Silvio silvio...@gmail.com ha scritto: Se può servire, posso provare a fare una tabella di comparazione su cui discutere (ma non mi pare che l'argomento

Re: [Talk-it] Scala difficoltà in montagna

2010-08-04 Thread Silvio
Il giorno mer, 04/08/2010 alle 21.26 +0200, Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto ha scritto: Non e' molto chiaro perche' il T6 e' equiparato a PD (che mi sembra significare Poco Difficile). EEA poi, secondo me, vista la definizione: Itinerario che conduce l’alpinista su pareti rocciose o su aeree

Re: [Talk-it] Scala difficoltà in montagna

2010-08-04 Thread ale_z...@libero.it
. Ok, ci ho provato: ecco una prima versione http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Silviopen/tabellasentieri ... ___ Ecco, ora inizia il balletto delle interpretazioni, speriamo di concludere qualcosa :-) EEA mi pare sia riferito

Re: [Talk-it] Scala difficoltà in montagna

2010-08-04 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 04 agosto 2010 21:41, ale_z...@libero.it ale_z...@libero.it ha scritto: . Ok, ci ho provato: ecco una prima versione http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Silviopen/tabellasentieri ... ___ Ecco, ora inizia il balletto delle

Re: [Talk-it] Scala difficoltà in montagna

2010-08-04 Thread Silvio
Il giorno mer, 04/08/2010 alle 21.41 +0200, ale_z...@libero.it ha scritto: Ecco, ora inizia il balletto delle interpretazioni, speriamo di concludere qualcosa :-) :-)) Sono d'accordo, ma proviamo a trovare la quadra EEA mi pare sia riferito sempre a ferrate, o comunque tratti attrezzati;

Re: [Talk-it] Scala difficoltà in montagna

2010-08-04 Thread Silvio
Il giorno mer, 04/08/2010 alle 21.41 +0200, ale_z...@libero.it ha scritto: EEA mi pare sia riferito sempre a ferrate, o comunque tratti attrezzati; questi tratti poi possono essere banali o difficili ma rimane sempre EEA; per questo motivo non lo vedo comparabile alla scala T. Dimenticavo:

[Talk-it] Cercasi conoscente di tedesco

2010-08-04 Thread Luca Delucchi
Martin e Napo, mi venite in mente solo voi, ma chiunque è il benvenuto; quando avete tempo potreste gentilmente tradurre questa pagina [0]? ciao Luca [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:HowtoMinutelyHstore PS Martin siete dei maledetti, non potreste scrivere anche la traduzione in inglese

[Talk-it] video osmit2010

2010-08-04 Thread Luca Delucchi
volevo chiedere che fine hanno fatto i video di osmit ;-), una parte dovrebbe averla l'amico di Ale (ale hai info al riguardo?) l'altra Vito Gerado, dovevamo vedere se metterla sul sito dell'università; da entrambi mi servirebbe sapere quant'è la dimensione totale del file o se è possibile

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Richard Weait schrieb: On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Heiko Jacobs heiko.jac...@gmx.de wrote: Hello I searched without success in the Wiki who official decided, when and *WHY* they decided, that data of contributors, who not (can) accept the ODbl, has to be removed. In

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Hello First thanks a lot for some unknown (and known) interesting pages. Frederik Ramm schrieb: That again referenced the implementation plan at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Implementation_Plan Which, under the What do we do with people who have said no or not

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread 80n
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: 3. Each element is examined and only those with an unbroken history chain from version 1 to the most recent ODbL'ed version are marked as OK. Does anyone know whether the code exists to do this yet? How are way

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Heiko Jacobs wrote: I'm still searching the former decision (of LWG or any other) that the removal of data is mandatory and WHY it is on which legal base of copyright, CC or anything other. I don't think that there is any decision necessary. CC-BY-SA says data must

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread Tom Hughes
On 04/08/10 12:06, Frederik Ramm wrote: I also still searching archived versions of old (pre double licensing) versions of contribution terms. You answered it in talk-de citing a small sentence but with a preceding I guess ... An archive without guess would be fine ;-) You should be able to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, 80n wrote: Does anyone know whether the code exists to do this yet? I doubt it. How are way splits handled (only one half of the way will have a full history)? I think they can be auto-detected (i.e. where in one changeset, one way suddenly loses some nodes and another springs up

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread John Smith
On 4 August 2010 21:48, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Any such mechanism, in my eyes, need not be 100% perfect; it is sufficient to make a honest attempt at doing the right thing, and if a few things slip through, then fix them in case of complaints. Which goes against the usual OSM

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:20 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.orgwrote: 3. Each element is examined and only those with an unbroken history chain from version 1 to the most recent ODbL'ed version are marked as OK. Does anyone

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: Any such mechanism, in my eyes, need not be 100% perfect; it is sufficient to make a honest attempt at doing the right thing, and if a few things slip through, then fix them in case of complaints. Which goes against the usual OSM policy of rejecting it if unsure, rather

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, John Smith wrote: Any such mechanism, in my eyes, need not be 100% perfect; it is sufficient to make a honest attempt at doing the right thing, and if a few things slip through, then fix them in case of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread 80n
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, 80n wrote: Does anyone know whether the code exists to do this yet? I doubt it. How are way splits handled (only one half of the way will have a full history)? I think they can be auto-detected (i.e.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-04 Thread Grant Slater
On 4 August 2010 14:00, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: The whole relicensing effort would be a bit of a non-starter if this deletion process cannot be done. During late 2008 and early 2009 a user inappropriately imported (and amend existing OSM data) into OSM for Lithuania from what was strongly

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