Re: [Talk-us-bayarea] [Talk-us] U.S. Local Chapters

2009-10-05 Thread Bill Ricker
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I'd recommend setting up the draft bylaws prior to making the decision of where to incorporate.  How we want to run the organization will help determine where (and whether) to incorporate. Right, as otherwise the locality dictates

[Talk-us-bayarea] Gilroy Hike and Mapping Party

2009-10-05 Thread Sarah Manley
All, Shawn Britton will be hosting a Hike Mapping Party on Sunday Oct 25th in Gilroy. More details here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Gilroy_Mapping_Party Cheers, Sarah ___ Talk-us-bayarea mailing list Talk-us-bayarea@openstreetmap.org

[Talk-hr] POI na karti grada

2009-10-05 Thread jhabijan
Koje bi sve POI (Point Of Interest) interesantne za turiste trebalo stavit na gradsku kartu? hvala, joža ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr

Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila

2009-10-05 Thread Mikel Maron
Eugene Get in touch with me directly if you want access. There's lots of potential ways to implement reports that are not placed on the map, for review and placement by moderators. Could involve changes to the model, or just changes to the code. Happy to discuss that with you .. grab me on IM

[talk-ph] Postponing the mapping party

2009-10-05 Thread ian lopez
Since the recent storms, I felt that the mapping party should be postponed to a latter date, preferably between November 2009 and January 2010. Some of our OSMers should need more time to recover from the damage that Ondoy and Peping brought to our shores. Weekends for November 2009 - January

Re: [talk-ph] Postponing the mapping party

2009-10-05 Thread ian lopez
I haven't been there since May. Speaking of Laguna Lake (or places near it), Santa Cruz, Laguna is underwater as of the moment. I presume that Hsing is okay. --- On Mon, 10/5/09, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Subject: Re:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL virality questions

2009-10-05 Thread Matt Amos
On 10/5/09, Laurence Penney l...@lorp.org wrote: It seemed clear that such data extractions would not be considered public domain, simply by virtue of having no grid reference or lat- long. They were part of MasterMap, hence regarded as chargeable data. that's the suck-'em-dry licensing model

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Lester Caine
Joseph Booker wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:02:05 +1100 Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Joseph Booker wrote: Not sure if you are trolling or just not aware of the wiki, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume the latter. I wouldn't say that this guy is trolling at

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Egil Hjelmeland wrote: OSM is a community of volunteers. So neither bureaucracy or dictatorship is probably the way to go. I would guess that forking off a “tagging” mail group with a strict “keep-to-topic” policy would be the way to proceed. I've asked for a tagging mailing list to be

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Andrew Errington
On Mon, October 5, 2009 15:36, Lester Caine wrote: snip ( Egil - a little aside, while a check box for boolean would be nice, there is still an element of 'NULL' - that is in addition to setting a boolean tag, one still needs to decide if it should or should not be present ) Checkboxes these

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-05 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Matt Amos writes:   forcing all mappers, editors and renderers to support it? Why do people keep saying that I want to use force?  From where do they get this idea?  Have I ever suggested the use of force?  Gun, knife,

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-05 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Dave Stubbs wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Richard Fairhurst wrote: Elizabeth Dodd wrote: For starters if the maintainers of JOSM Potlatch and Merkaartor encouraged the

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Lester Caine
Andrew Errington wrote: On Mon, October 5, 2009 15:36, Lester Caine wrote: snip ( Egil - a little aside, while a check box for boolean would be nice, there is still an element of 'NULL' - that is in addition to setting a boolean tag, one still needs to decide if it should or should not be

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/4 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: I'd go for b) for all the reasons mentioned above +1 another issue is the size. If you try to do statistics based on the areas of certain landuse, you would want them to be their real size (as precise as possible) and not size= area size - (roadlength

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I see on exeption though: areas that are pedestrian areas (highway=pedestrian, area=yes). In this case I'd like to connect the pedestrian area (if there is no other limit like a wall, fence, hedge, etc.) to the linear highway (for routing and rendering issues), especially, when the pedestrian area

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread David Earl
On 05/10/2009 00:12, Egil Hjelmeland wrote: As a mapper, I want a much more structured, well defined tagging scheme. Steve started a discussion on the dev list in which I proposed just such a scheme/schema. Since there's been several discussions on talk healding in this direction, I'll send it

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/5 Andrew Errington a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk: On Mon, October 5, 2009 15:36, Lester Caine wrote: snip ( Egil - a little aside, while a check box for boolean would be nice, there is still an element of 'NULL' - that is in addition to setting a boolean tag, one still needs to decide

[OSM-talk] footnav: 3D visualisation tool for OSM data: updates

2009-10-05 Thread Nick Whitelegg
A few updates to footnav, the 3D OSM visualisation tool aimed at countryside (and eventually mobile, in the field) use. The main development is that it will now read in OSM data and overlay it on the SRTM data, using bilinear interpolation. This mostly works, but there are issues to do with

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-05 Thread Lester Caine
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I see on exeption though: areas that are pedestrian areas (highway=pedestrian, area=yes). In this case I'd like to connect the pedestrian area (if there is no other limit like a wall, fence, hedge, etc.) to the linear highway (for routing and rendering issues),

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/5 Egil Hjelmeland pri...@egil-hjelmeland.no: Every key should be assigned a type (or class). Could be: - boolean - enumeration - numeric - string - free text. Boolean is yes/no. Editor tools should present a Boolean key as a checkbox. there is IMHO no boolean values in OSM. Feel

Re: [OSM-talk] Updating a point of interest

2009-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/5 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: I was examining the map for the part of town where I work, and noticed that a former hospital (now commercial offices) was still labeled as a hospital. Google Maps, Yahoo Maps, and Blackberry Maps have that same out-of-date information. What

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-05 Thread Marc Schütz
I'm seeking advice as to best practice in the following type of situation: As an increasingly common example, now that people are getting around to mapping areas such as leisure=, natural= and landuse= ... Consider the case of landuse=farm on one side of a highway (say a secondary road)

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Ed Avis
David Earl david at frankieandshadow.com writes: I think it would be really helpful to bring together the tag definitions into one place, *in the database and API itself*. I mean a complete schema: the tags, their possible values, their descriptions (in multiple languages), their equivalences

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Liz
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: there is IMHO no boolean values in OSM. Feel free to give counter examples. The arguments for how to tag a footway and a cycleway contain a number of boolean examples. Either you are permitted to drive a car down the footway, or you are not. You

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/4 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com: ...that he's conducting bizarre breeding experiments on cute little animals.  Basically, SteveC doesn't find this teasing at all funny. what's this breeding stuff about? Can anyone point to a relevant page? Cheers, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Lester Caine
David Earl wrote: I think it would be really helpful to bring together the tag definitions into one place, *in the database and API itself*. I mean a complete schema: the tags, their possible values, their descriptions (in multiple languages), their equivalences both in other languages and

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/5 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: there is IMHO no boolean values in OSM. Feel free to give counter examples. The arguments for how to tag a footway and a cycleway contain a number of boolean examples. Either you are permitted to drive a car

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread David Earl
On 05/10/2009 11:43, Lester Caine wrote: Rather than all these separate elements, tag values should form part of the tagkey object, and descriptions can be added at any level. I need to find the link to a good example, but tag name='barrier' type='value' relevantto='node' tagvalue

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Mike N.
And I think this gets changed as other objects in the database get changed: freely but consciously. So if there is a new value for shop, it is a conscious act to add that to the list of values for shop, and to describe it, not just casually adding it as a tag value. Let me be quite clear

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Hugh Barnes
On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:25:37 +0100 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: I think though - we need to define a proper xsl schema wjich can be used WITH the tag data :( OK, benefit of the doubt goes out the window at this point. If you are going to say you hate XML with any credibility,

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-05 Thread MP
For a road, we can either choose to map it as a linear object (this is the common case), or we can map its geometry more exactly by using an area. In both cases, however, the object in our database represents the entire road (i.e. not only the middle line). Because in reality, there is no

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Hugh Barnes
On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:12:41 +0200 Egil Hjelmeland pri...@egil-hjelmeland.no wrote: I started mapping my local mountain village in Norway a month ago. I find the fundamental OSM data model very simple and elegant: The three basic elements (node, way/area, relation), and properties as

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-05 Thread Marc Schütz
For a road, we can either choose to map it as a linear object (this is the common case), or we can map its geometry more exactly by using an area. In both cases, however, the object in our database represents the entire road (i.e. not only the middle line). Because in reality, there is no

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/5 Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net: But a) could be used as acceptable temporary solution until someone with better information (like having aerial photography) remaps it as b) Yes, this is basically what I wanted to say. Leave it to the mappers whether they want to use a way or an area

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-05 Thread Matt Amos
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/4 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com: ...that he's conducting bizarre breeding experiments on cute little animals.  Basically, SteveC doesn't find this teasing at all funny. what's this breeding stuff

[OSM-talk] Turn restrictions

2009-10-05 Thread Valent Turkovic
Hi, I have one question for turn restrictions gurus :) Have you used http://keepright.ipax.at site for error checking? I got a message that turn restriction has no type tag. I have used wiki for getting to know how to use turn restrictions, and there the examples given on the page:

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-05 Thread Matt Amos
russ and i had a useful chat on IRC late last night and i think we've cleared up the misunderstanding that lies at the root of this thread. (russ - please correct me if i've misreported anything here). apologies to anyone who's getting really tired of this thread. hopefully we're at or near the

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-05 Thread Marc Schütz
Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:28:54 +0200 Von: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com An: Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net CC: MP singular...@gmail.com, talk@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways 2009/10/5 Marc

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions

2009-10-05 Thread Tobias Knerr
Valent Turkovic wrote: I have used wiki for getting to know how to use turn restrictions, and there the examples given on the page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:restriction type tag is not used. The type tag is listed in the tags section on that page. The examples were added

[OSM-talk] EGNOS

2009-10-05 Thread Peter Childs
I'm sure EGNOS is something else other than the new Euro GPS system, but I can't for the life of me remember what, something to do with food and Christmas rings a bell but I can't think what. Anyway so EGNOS is now available for use. So what new things can we do with this new available

Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS

2009-10-05 Thread Jon Stockill
Peter Childs wrote: I'm sure EGNOS is something else other than the new Euro GPS system, but I can't for the life of me remember what, something to do with food and Christmas rings a bell but I can't think what. Anyway so EGNOS is now available for use. So what new things can we do

Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS

2009-10-05 Thread Aun Yngve Johnsen
EGNOS is just another SBAS (Satellite Based Augmentation System), and with EGNOS 100% active we now have tree such systems, including the wider known north american WAAS. I hope more such systems can be available soon, knowing that India and China also are developing similar systems, and

Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS

2009-10-05 Thread Aun Yngve Johnsen
brgds Aun Johnsen On 05/10/2009, at 11:30, Jon Stockill wrote: Peter Childs wrote: I'm sure EGNOS is something else other than the new Euro GPS system, but I can't for the life of me remember what, something to do with food and Christmas rings a bell but I can't think what. Anyway

Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS

2009-10-05 Thread Barnett, Phillip
Hmm. I've been happily using it for the past couple of years, on my Garmin Legend Cx. I can get about 2m stated accuracy when it's working. Though you're right - it's just been officially announced Ready for Use. And it's not the new Euro GPS system - that's Galileo. It's an accuracy augmenter

Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS

2009-10-05 Thread Barnett, Phillip
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Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/5 Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net: 2009/10/5 Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net: But a) could be used as acceptable temporary solution until someone with better information (like having aerial photography) remaps it as b) Yes, this is basically what I wanted to say. Leave it to the

Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS

2009-10-05 Thread Dave F.
Barnett, Phillip wrote: You can tell when it's working as some of the satellite reception bars will have a capital D above them. Is that correct? I sometimes get the D's displaying even if I have no reception (no bar showing). I've got a Garmin GPSmap 60C. Any body else get that quirk?

Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS

2009-10-05 Thread Barnett, Phillip
Yes, I get it sometimes. I guess the GPS receiver is trying to tell you that you are picking up the geostationary satellite that's transmitting corrections, and that IF you were picking up a GPS satellite that is theoretically available according to the downloaded ephemeris (but you're not

Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS

2009-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/5 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Barnett, Phillip wrote: You can tell when it's working as some of the satellite reception bars will have a capital D above them. Is that correct? I sometimes get the D's displaying even if I have no reception (no bar showing). I've got a Garmin

Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS

2009-10-05 Thread Dave F.
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/10/5 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Barnett, Phillip wrote: You can tell when it's working as some of the satellite reception bars will have a capital D above them. Is that correct? I sometimes get the D's displaying even if I have no

Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS

2009-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/5 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/10/5 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Barnett, Phillip wrote: You can tell when it's working as some of the satellite reception bars will have a capital D above them. Is that correct? I sometimes get the D's

Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS

2009-10-05 Thread Barnett, Phillip
Strictly true, but effectively they're the same, except for the delivery mechanism for broadcasting differential corrections - groundbased UHF radio for DGPS and geostationary satellite broadcast for WAAS/EGNOS. The D symbol just shows that differential readings are being received. PHILLIP

Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS

2009-10-05 Thread bernhard
Hi EGNOS delivers a correction Signal. It's possible to receive it in realtime from a satellite or download using FTP. (I think it's here: http://www.egnos-pro.esa.int/ems/index.html) If the gpx file has an information whether the coordinates are already corrected, the EGNOS error correction

Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS

2009-10-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, bernhard wrote: EGNOS delivers a correction Signal. It's possible to receive it in realtime from a satellite or download using FTP. True, but I don't think the correction signal is something like add .0182 to longitude and subtract .0012 from latitude. It is rather correct

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - ( tag:landuse=garages )

2009-10-05 Thread Kirill (Zkir)
Hi All, The voting for landuse=garages is started. Unfortunanly I am not a native english speaker, so i cannot deside if 'garages' is the best word. Since comments are quite contradictory, i desided to vote this proposal as it is now. If your think 'garages' is not a best word, please

Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS

2009-10-05 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 5 de Octubre de 2009, Frederik Ramm escribió: but unless someone more knowledgeable than myself says otherwise, I'll assume that in GPS receiver terms, post processing still means pre-lat-lon-output. You're correct. I had been working with sub-metric GPS receivers, and what they

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-10-05 Thread Peter Körner
Is there any simple way (i.e. not involving setting up your own Mapnik server) to test Mapnik rendering locally, without polluting OSM, and perhaps more importantly, without waiting an hour or more to see your update. I'm working on a Virtual-Box image with a complete set up rendering

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Liz
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Mike N. wrote: I recently set out to do an all-inclusive map of a section of town. Perhaps I'm unfortunate enough to live in a city of lawyers, but it seems that a large entire section of town consists of law offices.I can't believe I'm not the first person to want to

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-05 Thread Gervase Markham
On 05/10/09 11:04, Dave Stubbs wrote: As the person whose first came up with a no-names map for London (well, actually it was a named map of London, turned into a nonames map on SteveC's suggestion), I have an *official leadership announcement* to make: There shall be no tagging of unnamed

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Mike N.
You have described an interesting example of the difficulties of wishing to be a conformist on OSM and I have described the example of how easy it is to be an anarchist. The only reason for wanting to be a conformist is the possibility for more meaningful rendering sooner. Currently,

[OSM-talk] New mailing list - tagg...@openstreetmap.org

2009-10-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Hi all, I'm pleased to announce a new mailing list: tagg...@openstreetmap.org . You can subscribe at: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging The mailing list description is tag discussion, strategy and related tools. The list will enable those who want to discuss tags to do

Re: [OSM-talk] New mailing list - tagg...@openstreetmap.org

2009-10-05 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: I'm pleased to announce a new mailing list: tagg...@openstreetmap.org . So, we still have to create a what is thinking Frederik list and a what is not saying SteveC and we can close the main osm-talk list. Pieren

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Dave F.
Mike N. wrote: So, I've revised my approach to placing non-rendering shop types on the building outline where the name= tag will be shown. If I understand you correctly your mapping/tagging so the name is displayed along the outline of the shop. unknown boundaries also do this. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Mike N.
So, I've revised my approach to placing non-rendering shop types on the building outline where the name= tag will be shown. If I understand you correctly your mapping/tagging so the name is displayed along the outline of the shop. I add a building=yes which renders the building

Re: [OSM-talk] New mailing list - tagg...@openstreetmap.org

2009-10-05 Thread Sam Vekemans
+1 Thanks Richard Fairhurst. Sam On 10/5/09, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: I'm pleased to announce a new mailing list: tagg...@openstreetmap.org . So, we still have to create a what is thinking Frederik list

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Dave F.
Mike N. wrote: I find it difficult to be a monk who labors away at a mountain of XML that may see the light some day. I also like to show people what I am working on - it doesn't need to be fancy, but I also use it to double check my work. Just as reading your essay in reverse helps

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Mike N.
The delay in rendering is irritating but understandable. A sandbox with a limit of a view ways/areas to allow immediate render would be extremely useful. I read somewhere today that someone is working on this - a web site where you'll be able to designate a bounding rectangle with near

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: The delay in rendering is irritating but understandable. A sandbox with a limit of a view ways/areas to allow immediate render would be extremely useful. I read somewhere today that someone is working on this - a web site

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Dave F.
Ian Dees wrote: I don't see much of a rendering delay with Mapnik... the last few changesets I've uploaded have shown up on the Mapnik layer within 5 minutes. I think it depends greatly on the time of day maybe where you are in the world. Does anyone know if the servers are all in one

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-05 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Ian Dees wrote: I don't see much of a rendering delay with Mapnik... the last few changesets I've uploaded have shown up on the Mapnik layer within 5 minutes. I think it depends greatly on the time of day maybe

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-05 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net: On 05/10/09 11:04, Dave Stubbs wrote: As the person whose first came up with a no-names map for London (well, actually it was a named map of London, turned into a nonames map on SteveC's suggestion), I have an *official leadership announcement*

Re: [talk-au] unexpected consequence of merging admin boundary and road

2009-10-05 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: The ABS data isn't very accurate, but it would be accurate enough for the purpose it was intended which is breaking the country up into various geographical areas for statistical purposes. The Qld boundary data seems to be more accurate than GPS in most

Re: [talk-au] Why not to change coastlines automatically to ABS data.

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:05:54 +1100 Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Ross Scanlon wrote: So PLEASE look at the sat photos and already entered data before you go removing the coastline and using the ABS data automatically as the coastline. another paragraph in the

Re: [talk-au] Why not to change coastlines automatically to ABS data.

2009-10-05 Thread John Smith
2009/10/5 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: Just noticed this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-20.34647lon=148.95263zoom=16layers=B000FTF If you then go to edit and zoom in you find: Two restaurants that are now in the ocean. The airport road now in the ocean, this is a surveyed road and

[talk-au] Osm Street View

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
As the subject says http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/the-300-home-brew-street-view-camera/ -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Osm Street View

2009-10-05 Thread John Smith
2009/10/5 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: As the subject says http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/the-300-home-brew-street-view-camera/ Know of any example pics from that setup, I couldn't find any on that site or the IEEE site, I'm wondering if it would be good enough to grab street

Re: [talk-au] Osm Street View

2009-10-05 Thread Liz
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/the-300-home-brew-street-view-camera / Know of any example pics from that setup, I couldn't find any on that site or the IEEE site, I'm wondering if it would be good enough to grab street names from signs... yes,

Re: [talk-au] large email administrator approval needed

2009-10-05 Thread John Smith
2009/10/5 Evan Sebire e...@sebire.org: I sent an email today that is waiting administrator approval because it's over 40kB, is there a chance that it will be approved?  If not I can host the file else where and post a link. It was a 40kB spreadsheet I can host anything you want almost, just

Re: [talk-au] ACT BBQ dataset

2009-10-05 Thread John Smith
2009/10/5 Evan Sebire e...@sebire.org: I've created a spreadsheet that automatically converts columns of ACT grid data to MGA lat/longs. A series of co-ords have been checked with g'sat imagery and it appears to be working good enough for POI use. The spreadsheet includes a hacked together

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-05 Thread Sam Vekemans
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/10/5 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com: Just one comment. If it was me working on it, i would hesitate on adding in roads where they are 'estimated' because it is not known as a fact. Once all the

Re: [talk-au] unexpected consequence of merging admin boundary and road

2009-10-05 Thread Sam Vekemans
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:29 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/10/5 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: The ABS data isn't very accurate, but it would be accurate enough for the purpose it was intended which is breaking the country up

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-05 Thread John Smith
2009/10/5 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com: That's true. .. so someone who's kind-of familiar with the area (been down the road at least once in their life? Some people have better memories than others. Perhaps maybe the suggestion is to hold off on that planning aspect, or

[talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
I've noticed lots of the islands off the Queensland coast have had their coastlines changed to natural=land. From the wiki this is incorrect. natural=land is for Land that exists within another area, such as a lake. additionally look here:

[talk-au] Fwd: [Aust-NZ] A Rich Archive Historical Imagery dating back to 1928

2009-10-05 Thread John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: Bruce Bannerman bruce.bannerman.os...@gmail.com Date: 2009/10/6 Subject: [Aust-NZ] A Rich Archive Historical Imagery dating back to 1928 To: aust...@lists.osgeo.org Cc: foss4g2009 foss4g2...@lists.osgeo.org Dr Martin Woods, Curator of Maps at the

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
They will render still. Depends. Look at informationfreeway.org for this area at zooms less than 12 and you will see that most of the islands are missing. The roads on Hamilton Island are in the middle of the water. -- Cheers Ross ___

[talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:22:59 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: They will render still. Depends. Look at informationfreeway.org for this area at zooms less than 12 and you will see that most of the islands are missing.  The

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:26:50 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:22:59 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: They will render still. Depends.

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:26:50 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:22:59 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com:

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
Have a read of this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Coastline Anything big enough to appear on z9 is most likely going to have more than 2000 nodes... That's one reason to use the shape files for the coastlines and if it's not tagged as natural=coastline when the shape files

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: Have a read of this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Coastline Anything big enough to appear on z9 is most likely going to have more than 2000 nodes... That's one reason to use the shape files for the coastlines and if it's not tagged

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
Only at z0-9, at least according to the wiki link you posted, not sure what happens after that, but natural=land will show up at z10- There are three shape files that can be used, which cover all zoom levels. They are world_boundaries, coastlines and shorelines. Also just looking at Lake Eyre

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
Sorry, the 2 below it, if you zoom in to z10 you can see where Lake Eyre appears and at z9 it disappears. Interesting, on openstreetmap.org Lake Eyre appears from z6 whereas on bigtincan its from z9, so depends on how your osm.xml file is setup for mapnik. -- Cheers Ross

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:32:49 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Lake Gairdner and Lake Torrens are natural=coastline Well there both now natural=water as they are both single ways less than 1000 nodes and there's no need for them to be natural=coastline. -- Cheers Ross

Re: [Talk-de] Postleitzahlen-Import

2009-10-05 Thread Bernd Wurst
Hallo. Am Montag, 5. Oktober 2009 schrieb Frederik Ramm: 1. Wir importieren die PLZ-Gebiete einfach so, wie sie sind (eine Relation fuer jedes Gebiet, einen Grenz-Way zwischen je zwei Gebieten). Das geht schnell und unkompliziert Definitiv dafür. Ich bin zwar noch gar nicht so sicher, ob ich

Re: [Talk-de] OSM-talk?

2009-10-05 Thread qbert biker
Original-Nachricht Datum: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:42:46 +0200 Von: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com An: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch talk-de@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] OSM-talk? ja, das mit dem Führer fand ich auch äußerst befremdlich, u.a.

Re: [Talk-de] Döner - Ebbe in Hamburg und Berlin

2009-10-05 Thread Andreas Neumann
Josias Polchau schrieb: hab ich da was falsch gesehen? in vielen Deutschen Städten sind Döner-Imbisse kaum eingezeichnet ich hab mal auf folgendes getestet: amenity=restaurant cuisine=kebab oder amenity=fast_food cuisine=kebab http://osm.youseeus.de/osmolt/doener/ mehrere

Re: [Talk-de] Gebäude über Straße

2009-10-05 Thread Andreas Labres
Hallo Martin! Es ist eine Durchfahrt mit einer Durchfahrtsbreite- und -höhe und es wird finster, wenn man reinfährt (modulo Beleuchtung). Und ob oben drüber Felsen, eine Straße, Eisenbahngleise, ein Fluß oder ein Gebäude ist, ist dem, der die Straße/den Weg durch den Tunnel/die Unterführung/die

Re: [Talk-de] Postleitzahlen-Import

2009-10-05 Thread Fabian Patzke
Frederik Ramm frederik at remote.org writes: es gibt da einen Datensatz mit Postleitzahlengebieten in Deutschland, den wir vielleicht importieren koennen (Lizenzfrage ist noch nicht so 100% klar, aber sieht gut aus). Das klingt doch mal sehr schön, dann könnte der ORS evtl. auch auf die

Re: [Talk-de] Gebäude über Straße

2009-10-05 Thread Martin Simon
Am 5. Oktober 2009 09:35 schrieb Andreas Labres l...@lab.at: Hallo Martin! Es ist eine Durchfahrt mit einer Durchfahrtsbreite- und -höhe und es wird finster, wenn man reinfährt (modulo Beleuchtung). Und ob oben drüber Felsen, eine Straße, Eisenbahngleise, ein Fluß oder ein Gebäude ist, ist

Re: [Talk-de] Postleitzahlen-Import

2009-10-05 Thread Sven Anders
Ich denke wir sollten uns erstmal einigen wie die Postleitzahlen-Grenzen in OSM eingepflegt werden. Gibt es da schon Tags? Was machen wir mit Straßen auf denen auf der rechten Seite PLZ 12345 und auf der linken Seite PLZ 12346. Packen wir dann die Straße auch mit in die Relation? Taggen wir

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