Re: [talk-au] OSM CTs

2011-05-02 Thread John Smith
On 2 May 2011 22:03, Ian Callahan igcalla...@gmail.com wrote: Those pushing for changes might have expected things to result in a fork as a result of what's happened but that isn't what has happened, instead the OSM community are on the verge of splintering into many various projects

[talk-au] NSW Dept of Lands aerial imagery...

2011-05-01 Thread John Smith
The NSW Dept of Lands seems to have quite a lot of aerial imagery (http://lite.maps.nsw.gov.au/), in their terms of use all copyrightable material is for personal or non-comercial use only, but doesn't seem to cover deriving data from their imagery, and what can be done with it afterwards. Does

Re: [talk-au] Trolls

2011-04-30 Thread John Smith
On 30 April 2011 20:09, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: PS - tomorrow I will find out all the ways in Canberra that I had to fix using nearmap, and replace them using compliant Bing imagery So you wiped out perfectly good map data for sub-standard data?

Re: [talk-au] What to map a site of historical significants...

2011-04-28 Thread John Smith
On 23 April 2011 19:43, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: any one have any thoughts on what to tag a location famous for 2 reasons, first it was a spot cobb co got held up by thunderbolt, secondly because someone did a painting of the event: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailed_Up

Re: [talk-au] Reassurance and Licensing

2011-04-27 Thread John Smith
On 27 April 2011 14:42, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: *sarcasm* But it all doesn't matter anyway, John Smith has degreed that all Australian geodata is PD anyway. See: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2011-April/007829.html A lot of people do take this issue

[talk-au] China now has a hotline to dob in non-licensed mappers...

2011-04-26 Thread John Smith
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/26/china_street_view_licences/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] How many NearMap users do you think have accepted the new CTs and ODbL?

2011-04-26 Thread John Smith
On 27 April 2011 04:15, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: But I thought that Nearmap has said that they did not think the CT's were compatible with the use of their data. As I understood it this had nothing to do with CC-BY-SA or ODbL. So the issue as I understand it is the CT's,

Re: [talk-au] Reassurance and Licensing

2011-04-26 Thread John Smith
On 27 April 2011 07:06, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: Bluntly, CC-by-SA for geodata is fine here. It's good enough for our government, it's good enough for us. (Au government now is using CC-by for data). We believe in Share-Alike. Actually, we have been brought up to believe in

Re: [talk-au] Tragedy of the commons...

2011-04-25 Thread John Smith
In the last few days people have posted numerous diary entries about being unaware about the up coming changes. I am only surprised about how poorly things have been communicated with mappers, the replies to the posts are typical responses that try to confuse the issue.

[talk-au] Tragedy of the commons...

2011-04-24 Thread John Smith
Once upon a time it used to be almost a race to map out new areas from Nearmap coverage, now whole areas of coverage go untouched for months or longer... What was once a source of pride in the community can now only be described as a 'tragedy of the commons' now that the death knell is being

Re: [talk-au] Tragedy of the commons...

2011-04-24 Thread John Smith
On 25 April 2011 08:26, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: Once fosm gets a tile server (even a third party one) I'll probably switch. In the meantime I thought osm edits were mirrored across to fosm (though the more fosm gets edited, there will be merge edits, which I'm not sure

Re: [talk-au] Tragedy of the commons...

2011-04-24 Thread John Smith
Same thing in the UK with OS data, it becomes free but requires attribution and OSM-F turns round and says that's great and all, but we want it with no strings now. On 4/25/11, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net

Re: [talk-au] Transponders mistagged

2011-04-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 April 2011 18:35, Gary Gallagher g.null.dev...@gmail.com wrote: I've been rereading the wiki entry. Is it proposing a structure in which each transponder is first created as a node labeled man_made=communications_transponder each with all their details. Than they are grouped as a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Are CT contributors are in breach of the CC-BY-SA license?

2011-04-17 Thread John Smith
That would be a very narrow and strict interruption of cc-by-sa, especially since the assumption is a derivative is required by the user to generate any changes made when the source of their changes would matter just as much. For example if they are using GPS data all they would use existing data

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Rights granted to OSMF (Section 2 of the CT)

2011-04-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 April 2011 14:39, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Clearly this is not that big a problem for Apache contributors, why should it be a big problem for OSM contributors (setting aside the desire to import other data for which the contributor has no right to sublicense)? Apache

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Rights granted to OSMF (Section 2 of the CT)

2011-04-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 April 2011 15:17, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: The point still stands. Granting rights to a central body (but not your copyright--you still retain that) is not unheard of in open communities. They also aren't generally the most popular, just like BSD lags behind Linux,

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 17:37, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: OpenOffice.org has had a major fork just recently. The LibreOffice fork has chosen different licensing arrangements, including the contributors retaining their own copyright. http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/developers/

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 17:42, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: wouldn't have sought it at a much earlier stage than this. Normally abject opposition should come after, not before, neutral appraisal of the proposal, shouldn't it? There has been so many issues with the new license, the new

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 17:53, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: The whole database should be public domain, and any third party pushing 'commercial' data into that should understand that. Even the UK government have now accepted that we should have free access to this sort of data, so my own

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 19:04, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: John Smith wrote: On 16 April 2011 17:53, Lester Caineles...@lsces.co.uk wrote: The whole database should be public domain, and any third party pushing 'commercial' data into that should understand that. Even the UK government

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 19:49, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: No I said 'free access to this sort of data'. But I don't see that having the courtesy to recognise where data can from should be any sort of a problem. 'Requiring it' just acknowledges that some people do not extend that common

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 22:10, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: doesn't look like I will. The trolls have come out yet again. Sorry for No, it's not complicated. When whoever it was decided that we need to change license, the *first* thing that should have happened is a communication of the desire

Re: [talk-au] ABS CodePlay

2011-04-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 15:56, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 15:21:59 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: An Australian Bureau of Statistics initiative to help drive collaboration between students, developers and national and international statistical

Re: [OSM-talk] question for folks working on routing engines

2011-04-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 00:36, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i ask this because in NY, the default speed limit in rural areas is 55 on all roads. there are numerous unpaved roads (dirt, gravel) which do not have posted speed limits, but where driving at 55 is not reasonable unless

Re: [OSM-talk] question for folks working on routing engines

2011-04-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 01:30, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest you also add source:maxspeed=US:NY:rural or sth. similar to the roads with no explicit maxspeed sign. Well he said 55mph is the default maximum for unsigned roads, wouldn't it be more useful for routing software

Re: [OSM-talk] question for folks working on routing engines

2011-04-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 13:25, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: what i'm after are parameters so that the routing engines present rational results to drivers who aren't me. so why don't we focus on the actual problem in front of us instead of posturing about our driving skills. Well you

Re: [OSM-talk] question for folks working on routing engines

2011-04-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 13:43, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 April 2011 13:25, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: what i'm after are parameters so that the routing engines present rational results to drivers who aren't me. so why don't we focus on the actual problem

[talk-au] ABS CodePlay

2011-04-15 Thread John Smith
An Australian Bureau of Statistics initiative to help drive collaboration between students, developers and national and international statistical agencies. http://data.gov.au/2770/contest-abs-codeplay/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread John Smith
On 14 April 2011 19:56, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: Don't forget this is a pre-announcement! The technical implementation is ongoing thanks to Tom, Matt and Grant. The revised contributor terms should now be live and I have just got the go ahead to be able to announce that the

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread John Smith
On 14 April 2011 22:20, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: If you mean that currently there is no decline button for existing contributors then that is a feature, not a bug. When making a decision becomes mandatory on Sunday there will be a decline button. I reported it several messages back.

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread John Smith
On 15 April 2011 00:49, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Eric Marsden wrote: It is not clear to me, from your message or from what I have read on the wiki, whether choosing Decline is a irreversible decision, or whether one would still be able later to accept the licence +

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread John Smith
On 15 April 2011 12:51, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: This was a question in regards to whether you will reverse the selection of someone accepting the new licence/terms, if you (or they) become aware the data is tainted. Wouldn't breach of clause 1 break the entire contract ?

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-13 Thread John Smith
On 13 April 2011 10:44, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 4:59 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Mike, https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/terms; appears unchanged. Is that some sort of caching effect, or does has been improved actually mean is

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping huge lakes as coastline

2011-04-13 Thread John Smith
On 14 April 2011 03:24, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: This results in bad rendering for low zoom tiles, with the lake showing up on zoom6 but not on zoom5 (in Mapnik). Wouldn't it be better to fix the rendering side of things, than incorrectly mapping just so it renders how

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available? (was: OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement)

2011-04-13 Thread John Smith
On 14 April 2011 00:49, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: It's _a_ goal but I think the more important selling points for ODbL/DbCL are the positive ones - more uses it would permit for the data, for example distributing map tiles without having to follow any particular licence for them.

[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-12 Thread John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz Date: 13 April 2011 04:56 Subject: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement To: OSM talk t...@openstreetmap.org This is to let you know the license change process is moving to Phase 3 [1] very

Re: [talk-au] OSM maps used on kids tv show...

2011-04-12 Thread John Smith
On 16 August 2010 09:30, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Newish TV show, K-9, which seems to be a kids spin off from the K-9 dog that used to be on Doctor Who a couple of decades ago, in any case a map flashed up and I instantly recognised it as OSM map tiles... You can see

[talk-au] Having accurate maps

2011-04-10 Thread John Smith
I thought I'd share something I realised today when I went out for a Sunday ride. Having accurate maps isn't just good for navigation purposes, but it's almost borders on a safety aspect since knowing how sharp and the location of upcoming bends allows you to be more prepared and at some points

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors

2011-04-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 April 2011 13:45, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Create a new account, accept the CT's and then Has the CTs been updated to allow for this, or do they still refer to a natural person? Also that doesn't help if someone only wishes to support projects using share a like

Re: [talk-au] How to tag reaches (segments of a waterway)?

2011-04-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 April 2011 18:22, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to map some named reaches (straight portion of a stream or river, as from one turn to another;) part of a major river. To do this I would shift the river specific information to a relation, which is useful in any

[talk-au] OSM-F seems to be a sinking ship... (was: Wiki + Data Sources + Licensing Categories)

2011-04-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 April 2011 09:09, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 April 2011 20:47, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 April 2011 16:58, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: Despite your attempts to sidetrack this discussion from the your data import to some wider OSM

Re: [talk-au] OSM-F seems to be a sinking ship... (was: Wiki + Data Sources + Licensing Categories)

2011-04-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 April 2011 15:29, 4x4falcon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: At the moment I'm tending to fosm.org as it seems the most compatible with what I've been doing. Having said that I'm still watching commonmap.org etc as well. Well from a license point of view, all commonmap data should be usable

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-08 Thread John Smith
On 8 April 2011 16:55, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: I think it would make more sense to work with the Creative Commons people on CC-BY-SA version 4, so we can upgrade licences without deleting any data or requiring every contributor to transfer rights to the OSMF. Then everyone could

Re: [talk-au] Wiki + Data Sources + Licensing Categories

2011-04-08 Thread John Smith
On 8 April 2011 15:57, Ian Sergeant ina...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 April 2011 15:34, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Please list sources for this comment, because as far as I understand it there is no further appeals on the matter currently pending. http://www.smh.com.au/business

Re: [talk-au] Wiki + Data Sources + Licensing Categories

2011-04-08 Thread John Smith
On 8 April 2011 16:58, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: John - if you are going to argue this, please check your references more carefully. As I stated before I wasn't aware that the appeal was being appealed, although your link does suggest they had 30 days to do something, and were

Re: [talk-au] Wiki + Data Sources + Licensing Categories

2011-04-08 Thread John Smith
On 8 April 2011 20:47, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 April 2011 16:58, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: Despite your attempts to sidetrack this discussion from the your data import to some wider OSM licencing issue, I won't be sidetracked here. The problem is no one

Re: [talk-au] Nearmap

2011-04-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 April 2011 15:58, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 April 2011 12:57, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: If the Australian issue is so important, as others have suggested why isnt OSMF seeking to make a rapid agreement with NearMap as was done with Bing? This really

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 April 2011 21:07, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: I don't see a lolcat on that page, was it on another page? Certainly the lolcat on the front page of the osm wiki makes me wonder about the IQ of the page writers Looks like Grant has removed it from the current version of the

Re: [talk-au] Wiki + Data Sources + Licensing Categories

2011-04-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 April 2011 23:03, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: I contacted the nowwhere.com.au/MapData-Sciences who are managers of the BP and Shell data in October 2010... Their reply: It is the property of BP and is intended as a service for personal use only. (and Shell for the

Re: [talk-au] Wiki + Data Sources + Licensing Categories

2011-04-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 April 2011 09:28, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: If the data owner doesn't grant permission under an acceptable licence then we shouldn't relying on one interpretation of very recent Australian case. Especially since there are other areas of law that may come into play here.

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors

2011-04-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 April 2011 07:30, {withheld} pheasant.cou...@gmail.com wrote: Very naughty thought. I wonder what the reaction would be to a simple, formal request to OSMF to re-grant you your rights to OSM data along the same alignments on the basis OSM is backing up an effective copy of your lost data?

Re: [talk-au] Wiki + Data Sources + Licensing Categories

2011-04-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 April 2011 13:41, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: With respect, if we are going to do down the path of using data We are going down that path with the new CTs and to a lesser extent ODBL, people haven't been informed well enough about the implications of accepting the new CTs and

Re: [talk-au] Wiki + Data Sources + Licensing Categories

2011-04-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 April 2011 14:23, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: If you are talking about Sensis, than that is still a Federal Court judgement, which I believe Sensis are seeking leave to appeal to the High Court, and the results will be very interesting to see. I hope the High Court takes the

[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz Date: 6 April 2011 19:08 Subject: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ... To: d...@openstreetmap.org ... the License Working Group intends implementing Phase 3 of the license change implementation plan [1]. This involves

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 April 2011 09:37, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: In UK: - This will remove 65% of users - This will remove 40% of nodes, 40% of ways and 10% of relations In Europe: - This will remove 61% of users - This will remove 20% of nodes, 20% of ways and 15% of relations I wonder

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 April 2011 10:06, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: What happened to NearMap? Nearmap have refused to allow data derived from their imagery to be used without guarantee of attribution and share-a-like in a future license, or having a guarantee that such data would be removed

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 April 2011 10:31, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: Surely that's a simple procedural matter then (CT 1.2.4 already has It always has been, but as others have pointed out, control of the process has gone on largely without proper consultation and feedback to better shape what

Re: [talk-au] Thunderbolts way

2011-03-26 Thread John Smith
On 26 March 2011 19:55, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: Nowendoc looks like it needs more work. Doesn't look like much is missing... http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=15lat=-31.51481lon=151.71877layers=00BT On the other hand Walcha looks like it could do with some work and

[talk-au] Thunderbolts way

2011-03-25 Thread John Smith
I'm heading off along Thunderbolts way (New England region of NSW) and was wondering if there was any part of the way that needs mapping. Most of the towns seem to be at least partially mapped and I'll be doing some careful checking to see what's missing, but if anyone knows of any specific

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-24 Thread John Smith
On 25 March 2011 14:11, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: So why aren't the ODbL folks being told the same thing? You want a different license? Hey, great, no problem, go ahead, create a fork of OSM. But don't expect us to follow you. Anthony has been asking this for some time, since

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 March 2011 19:57, Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote: Not forgetting that's what's really important is what percentage of edits come under the new license – the stats for that seem much more healthy. Considering that about 1/3rd to 1/2 of the edits in that figure would be for some of

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 March 2011 20:45, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I don't agree. Of course it is important how much of the data will survive, but it is even more important to not loose active contributors. Many that were previously active contributors have since stopped contributing

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 March 2011 06:00, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: It's an inoculation. A bit of a pinch, and a sore spot on the arm for a day, but we're all better off afterwards. It's more like a tainted vaxination, the kind where you end up a lot worst off. ODbL gives us the real share-alike,

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 March 2011 05:54, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: What were the suggestions at the meeting(s)? The minutes suggest that I reported an issue some time ago and they kept it as an item to be dealt at future meetings for about 6 months and then they sort of let it fall off at some

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread John Smith
2011/3/21 Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de: Might be the legal talklist a better place to discuss this very specific topic? I guess there are more users that are familar with the process itself. So this conversation goes quietly into the night like most other threads rather than being dealt

Re: [OSM-talk] odbl

2011-03-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 March 2011 09:10, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: So basically you are saying that it is not possible to explain it in layman's terms. Thank you for your input. The new license changes things from something many people understand to something massively more complex that it's

[talk-au] Fwd: [Aust-NZ] Melbourne Open GIS

2011-03-04 Thread John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: Simon O'Keefe simon.oke...@groundtruth.com.au Date: 4 March 2011 15:27 Subject: [Aust-NZ] Melbourne Open GIS To: aust...@lists.osgeo.org The Melbourne Open GIS event is on again at 5pm on Thursday the 17th of March at the OpenHub. Melbourne Open GIS

[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Crisis mapping - assistance requested for infrastructure mapping in Christchurch

2011-02-24 Thread John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com Date: 25 February 2011 10:42 Subject: [OSM-talk] Crisis mapping - assistance requested for infrastructure mapping in Christchurch To: OSM Talk t...@openstreetmap.org, h...@openstreetmap.org Hi OSM mappers, As

Re: [talk-au] Bulk loading all the Australian Statistical Geography Standard into the OSM - a query from the Australian Bureau of Statistics [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2011-02-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 February 2011 10:52, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: 1) OSM's core purpose is as a street map This hasn't been the case for quite some time. Not to mention that the previous ABS data has been very useful in regional areas for plotting physical features, like roads, that couldn't

Re: [talk-au] Bulk loading all the Australian Statistical Geography Standard into the OSM - a query from the Australian Bureau of Statistics [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2011-02-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 February 2011 11:35, Simon Biber simonbi...@yahoo.com.au wrote: of OSM is released under CC-BY-SA which is an attribution license compatible with CC-BY. The attribution includes a link to a list of data providers and contributors on www.openstreetmap.org in which ABS is listed. As of

[talk-au] Fwd: [Aust-NZ] Re: [nzopengis] Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team activation?

2011-02-22 Thread John Smith
FYI -- Forwarded message -- From: Hamish hamis...@yahoo.com Date: 23 February 2011 12:20 Subject: [Aust-NZ] Re: [nzopengis] Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team activation? To: aust...@lists.osgeo.org By the way, the URL for the active Ushahidi* instance is http://eq.org.nz Zoom in

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-18 Thread John Smith
On 18 February 2011 18:04, waldo000...@gmail.com waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:43 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with the access suggestion, eg access:caravan=yes/no/designated/unsuitable You mean caravan=*, right? This is already listed

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-18 Thread John Smith
On 18 February 2011 18:56, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:25 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Nope I meant what I said, access:caravan=* same with access:4wd=* As I understand it, foot, motorcar, bicycle, hgv etc are all considered subtags

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-18 Thread John Smith
On 18 February 2011 19:28, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:14 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I dont think basing a decision on those previous tags is a good idea. It's documented and everything. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-17 Thread John Smith
I agree with the access suggestion, eg access:caravan=yes/no/designated/unsuitable I now regret using 4wd_only, this should have be an access: tag instead, eg access:4wd=only/yes/no etc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

[talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-16 Thread John Smith
Saw a couple of roads signed unsuitable for caravans which seems like council butt covering but I'm not sure how to tag it since it's a sign to discourage rather than to disallow. -- Sent from my mobile device ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 February 2011 15:52, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: On 17/02/11 16:12, David Murn wrote: Presumably if its unsuitable for caravans, its also unsuitable for HGV? Maybe simply re-use the HGV access tags already in place? I think they should be kept separate - there'll likely be

[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: Steve Coast st...@asklater.com Date: 4 February 2011 03:17 Subject: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with To: t...@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] waterway=coastline

2011-02-02 Thread John Smith
On 2 February 2011 20:40, Peter Watson peter.bmwk7...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I have noticed that all the Gold Coast canals are taged with waterway=coastline. I understand that the coastline should connect around the coastline in an unbroken line. ie. should connect across the river

Re: [talk-au] waterway=coastline

2011-02-02 Thread John Smith
On 2 February 2011 21:28, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: What do you mean by canal? I thought they were saltwater...hence, waterway=coastline is ok? Should we tag salt lakes as coastline too using that logic? ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] waterway=coastline

2011-02-02 Thread John Smith
On 2 February 2011 22:05, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:36 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 February 2011 21:28, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: What do you mean by canal? I thought they were saltwater...hence, waterway

[talk-au] Fwd: HOT for Cyclone Yasi

2011-02-02 Thread John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com Date: 3 February 2011 06:44 Subject: HOT for Cyclone Yasi To: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com, Shoaib Burq sho...@nomad-labs.com, Kashif Rasul kashif.ra...@gmail.com Cc: hot...@gmail.com Are you all, or others

Re: [OSM-talk] Anyone know who wrote rawedit?

2011-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2011 12:24, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, So, as discussed on another thread, I'm trying to use rawedit.openstreetmap.fr to undelete a relation, but am getting XML parser errors. Anyone know who I can contact, or where to get the source from? It's my

Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs

2011-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 January 2011 22:38, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:27 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: I think what they have a problem with is that its so open-ended, like we just have to trust the OSMF because they'll do no wrong. Hang on a second, this

Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs

2011-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 January 2011 23:20, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: The best-known Potlatch instance is hosted on OSMF-owned hardware at the OSMF-owned openstreetmap.org domain. OSMF could, in theory, request a particular feature for this instance and refuse to deploy any version that

Re: [talk-au] Emergency Markers

2011-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 January 2011 23:10, Luke Woolley lswool...@gmail.com wrote: There is already a tag set up for that purpose: highway=emergency_access_point http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_access_point The only problem I have with using highway=* for this is not all signed

Re: [talk-au] Emergency Markers

2011-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2011 09:37, Luke Woolley lswool...@gmail.com wrote: Thats true, it did strike me as odd how it's in the highway category but I guess it's because most locations where these markers would be would have some kind of vehicle access. Doesn't make sense putting emergency markers in

Re: [talk-au] Emergency Markers

2011-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2011 10:18, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 09:33 +1000, John Smith wrote: On 31 January 2011 23:10, Luke Woolley lswool...@gmail.com wrote: There is already a tag set up for that purpose: highway=emergency_access_point http

Re: [talk-au] Emergency Markers

2011-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2011 11:56, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:21:08 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: What about the national parks mentioned previously that don't actually have paths to prevent people from creating goat tracks? Someone must have

Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs

2011-01-30 Thread John Smith
On 31 January 2011 02:26, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: You aren't addressing the core question. Given that the new imagery plugin has made it much simpler to accidentally infringe, is a URL blacklist a suitable way to raise that barrier closer to where it was a few weeks ago?

Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs

2011-01-30 Thread John Smith
On 31 January 2011 08:02, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: You aren't addressing the core question. Given that the new imagery plugin has made it much simpler to accidentally infringe, is a URL blacklist a suitable way to

Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs

2011-01-30 Thread John Smith
On 31 January 2011 10:04, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Frederik is also a member of the Data Working Group, along with myself, who have to deal with the consequences of people recklessly tracing in from inappropriate sources. Although a little different, see a recent case

Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs

2011-01-30 Thread John Smith
On 31 January 2011 10:24, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Not that I'm getting involved in this... but if there is to be a multiplicity of servers, why not have the server provide a REST call* that can be used by PL/JOSM (or anything else) to establish which tracing sources are permitted

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding image to map features

2011-01-29 Thread John Smith
On 29 January 2011 22:48, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/1/29 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: image=URL I wonder if this is something we would like to have in our db. Imagine if we become really widely used, the amount of these tags would probably explode. I

[talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs

2011-01-29 Thread John Smith
I was sent a link to this thread on the JOSM dev mailing list: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/josm-dev/2011-January/005185.html The jist is some people are pushing to put URL filtering into JOSM, currently the discussion is focused on Google images/tiles however it wouldn't take much

Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs

2011-01-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 January 2011 10:21, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: their program because of your position. If an athiest decided to remove any references to religion/churches in JOSM, and forced the community to take their patch, what would happen? Are we expected to just lie down and take

Re: [talk-au] Victorian Coastline

2011-01-27 Thread John Smith
On 27 January 2011 22:04, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: interfering with each other. Then I started finding problems where sometimes they were connected, sometime they weren't, sometimes the boundary and road way was the same thing (so if you hide them the road vanishes as well). So

[talk-au] Fwd: [Aust-NZ] FYI: Government encourages use of open source software

2011-01-27 Thread John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: Ross Johnson ros...@hotmail.com Date: 28 January 2011 15:50 Subject: [Aust-NZ] FYI: Government encourages use of open source software To: aust...@lists.osgeo.org Some good news: Government encourages use of open source software

Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants

2011-01-25 Thread John Smith
On 26 January 2011 09:21, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Upon doing a bit of research, the exact meaning varies depending on where you are. In [1]New York for example, a BYO establishment MUST have a liquor license. In [2]Victoria, a BYO license (actually a permit) is for places

Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants

2011-01-24 Thread John Smith
On 24 January 2011 06:06, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Hi - quick question - what's the normal way to indicate BYO vs licenced restaurants? Not all restaurants are licensed... amenity=restaurant licensed=yes/no/byo ___ Talk-au

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