Re: [talk-au] Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size

On 28/09/2023 11:18, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 28/9/23 08:21, cleary wrote: Windorah Qld and Ivanhoe NSW are both currently shown as "town" in OSM but neither has more than rudimentary health service (if any), a hotel, small primary school and service station. I couldn't buy a coffee in

Re: [talk-au] Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size

On 28/09/2023 10:19, Warin wrote: On 28/9/23 17:04, Michael Collinson wrote: TL;DR: We need to get a systematic measure of population density into OSM to act as a guideline for mapping software to vary what goes at what zoom level. Off topic: On a global scale that does not work due

Re: [talk-au] Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size

TL;DR: We need to get a systematic measure of population density into OSM to act as a guideline for mapping software to vary what goes at what zoom level. This can be done either by adding the appropriately calculated/derived density measure to admin boundary relations or, more radically, as

Re: [talk-au] Mapping tracks from Strava heatmap

I use Strava heatmaps only as a "referential" source, i.e. seeing potentially missing or badly misaligned paths and then taking a walk that way. In addition to other comments about using them directly, I'd also wonder whether Strava copyright allows it but have not explicitly analysed. In

Re: [talk-au] Melbourne - Suburban Rail Loop - Too early to mark as under construction?

Being a grand cynic or at least just jaundiced,  'proposed' can be translated to "I'll be lucky to see this in my life time", so any actual work at all is a major, major change in significance so I'd go for 'under construction' in at least Graeme's example. Utility works also have an impact on

Re: [talk-au] Cycle permissions by a user

I suggest a good consensus basically following the rest of the world would be: 1) If a path is clearly marked for use by bicycles then use bicycle=designated.  I.e.  "there ARE signs present to indicate bikes are expressily permitted". 2) If a path has no signage barring cycling and no

Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA

Graeme, You are one with Steve Coast on seeing that as a major focus. Yes, use and of use.  Anecdotally, I have a peripheral connection with a small commercial app map/routing library and have hobby-business apps Android apps based on it. Yes, definitely of use particularly on longer roads

Re: [talk-au] Cycle tags on motorways

Purely as a question: Is there a case for actually mapping the whole cycleway separately as a cycleway? As a cyclist, I like to see what I have in store. Argument for: Well, that is what it is, a dual use cycleway and hard shoulder. And I guess main argument against: Ah, but it is not

Re: [talk-au] Industrial area or not?

I crafted the original wording for Map Features landuse tags and was careful to use the word "predominantly", so for me just 'industrial'. I think the answer is in your description wording 'produce stockfeed', i.e. there is a manufacturing process beyond just storing an agricultural product -

Re: [talk-au] Queensland railway stations

On 2022-04-18 13:08, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 9/4/22 10:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Thanks Richard, we'll check them out. Thanks Graeme Well that proved to be a very tedious job. After reviewing hundreds of these about 240 of them have been converted to "no longer a station". Which

Re: [talk-au] Funding for OpenStreetMap initiatives

On 2022-04-18 10:51, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 at 03:23, Edoardo Neerhut wrote: OpenStreetMap merch could be a good thing to fund yeah. Would business cards be helpful for people? Personally I have never had much trouble, although contributing to Mapillary has

Re: [talk-au] HighRouleur edits

As the original mapper of the cycleway in changeset 11862794 and having viewed Tony's photos [1] to refresh my memory, I concur with Tony's proposal that the way should be split in two. The western part being a parkland cycleway and therefore satisfying routing. But the eastern part, the

[talk-au] Any ID-edtor savvy mapper who could help with a Young Engineers Australia mapathon?

Hi all, Is there anyone who could help me co-host a Young Engineers Australia mapathon in the March-ish time-frame? I happy to do most of the talking about OpenStreetMap and HOT but I am most definitely not ID-editor savvy. The basic task would be to run through using ID for a specific

Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600 Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right. On 2022-02-10 18:13, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:

Re: [talk-au] "Bad" directions on Outback roads

We have a reasonable if not perfect tagging system for a router to assess (and make assumptions) about the quality of a road for various types of vehicle in BEST CASE  conditions. motorway versus track, tracktype, asphalt versus gravel being the main ones. From a router point of view it would

Re: [talk-au] Tagging a house name

> If I go to Officeworks and get a sign printed with the name "Bob" and put it on my letterbox, does that become the name of my house? An interesting question which begs another question, what is an address? (warning: a bit of a philosophical ramble on a Friday night). My global analysis so

Re: [talk-au] Tagging Sydney bus stops

local_ref has been used it at least the UK and Sweden to tag the stand number. It doesn't (yet) render on the OSM map main layer but does on the transport layers.    /Mike https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:local_ref Swedish example:

Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?

It is safer putting in the street name. Nominatim fills in street from the street physically closest to the addr tag, which is not always correct. Sarah is aware and looking at measures to improve that - for example by looking at nearby street numbers for sequentiallity - but I doubt it could

Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/category/gmane/ summary of the move Alex *From: *Michael Collinson *Date: *Monday, 31 January 2022 at 10:18 am *To: *talk-au@openstreetmap.org *Subject: *Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address? I just create lists so I have forwarded this to Tom Hughes in case he can help

Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

I just create lists so I have forwarded this to Tom Hughes in case he can help or elucidate.  /Mike On 31/1/22 10:24 am, Alex Sims wrote: HI Graeme, When you send an email to the list, it then sends a copy to subscribers which includes a mirror at gmane.org. For some reason the copy at

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking tracks/paths]

Ian, +1.  The AWTGS looks excellent as it works from an international perspective. I've also struggled with the SAC scale in the UK and Sweden, also both countries where the bulk of rural footpaths are barely "alpine" and also came to the conclusion that what matters is the type of people

Re: [talk-au] The ACT Place Names Advisory Committee has a sense of humour

Phew, Coombs must have been a ruthless place previously. ... Sorry. Mike On 2021-11-30 20:27, Andrew Davidson wrote: So we have a new park in Coombs that needs a name. A name based on the suburb's theme of notable public service:

Re: [talk-au] Suburbs: Nodes, Areas, or both?

Hi Dian, I have an interested in mapping what I call, for want of better terminology, fuzzy names or sense-of-place and comment in that specific regard. In summary: if the suburb has a defined boundary, use an area, if it doesn't use a node. I would certainly NOT however use both to

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

A bit late to the party on this one. But a couple of observations follow up Graeme's 2012-10-03 point about the myriad of "You can ride on a footpath if" exceptions and how to deal with them. 1) I suggest rigorously using and making synonymous footway=sidewalk [1] with what are clearly and

Re: [talk-au] Mapping tree cover

Picking just Adam's question about mapping after a fire. [I also very much support the idea that OSM ways should ideally have only one primary tag and so agree that natural and boundary does not go together.] I went through a similar self-dialogue where I am now in Sweden as to what to with

Re: [talk-au] Suspicious amount of removed bicycle tags

Just a thought and I hope not too imperialist sounding:  in UK England and Wales law, a distinction evolved between a "footway" and a "footpath", just possibly pre-1900 (unclear): https://pedestrianliberation.org/the-law-2/ "'footway' is the modern legal term for ‘that part of the highway set

Re: [talk-au] highway=service

I've added my comments below Andrew's. Hope that is not too messy. /Mike On 2021-08-14 03:59, Andrew Harvey wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 at 09:12, Tom Brennan > wrote: Like my previous post on sidewalks, this one is also from walking and cycling all of

Re: [talk-au] Mapping driveways under awnings.

Simon, Without knowing the nature of the challenge, I assume the apparent anomaly is a road apparently bulldozing through a building. Me, I'd either leave it as it is or to be squeaky clean (if I know from on-the-ground) I'd map the two sticky out bits as building=roof. I don't know if

Re: [talk-au] highway=track update

I don't map much in the US but do in Australia and Sweden. In both countries, I have rarely come across what I consider to be gravel roads, instead consider most unpaved roads and tracks to be 'dirt' or 'compacted': https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:surface%3Dcompacted Apropos the

Re: [talk-au] What do you prefer for Barmah-Millewa: swamp or wood?

Hi Ian, Summary: For me wood is physical tree-cover and wetland is the condition of the ground and they are complimentary rather than exclusive. In Sweden, I map both natural=wood and natural=wetland as separate polygons, with a common border or overlap as appropriate. There is is very easy

Re: [talk-au] Melbourne Missing Maps/OSM rep?

Hi Vitva, If you don't get any other volunteers, I'll be happy to come along and answer questions/talk ad hoc but not prepare a talk. I'm not familiar with Missing Maps but have previously served on the OSM Foundation board. Cheers, Mike Michael Collinson On 2019-11-08 13:13, Vilppola

Re: [talk-au] Residential Poolside Building

I usually mark all residential buildings, including the main house or strata building, as building=residential.  I feel it useful but safe. I usually map in Sweden where planning regulations encourage a plethora of out-buildings whose use is difficult to judge from imagery: garages, spare

Re: [talk-au] Copying address from business website?

A simple test is: Am I helping their business? If it is the venue business itself, then yes you are. If you take from a listing site - where their value is the list itself, then no you are not, you are potentially acting to its detriment. FYI, your till receipts are another good source. Mike

Re: [talk-au] Question on how to fix this intersection

+1 to that. Looking at the eastern side imagery again, I'd make a general comment that will help elsewhere: There really should be a node about where the pedestrian crossing is and pushing the road slightly north. This would bring it closer the traffic engineer's intention, which is that the

Re: [talk-au] Question on how to fix this intersection

Hi Dion, I'd say a bit of both. The junction is topologically correct but looking at the aerial imagery and the node that you circled, https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1691043684 , then it could be moved very slightly north and a bit more aggressively west to lessen the change of

Re: [talk-au] Naming Bus Stops for interchanges in Sydney

In Sweden, I have seen the "F" going into the ref tag. Just a thought, I don't recall how it affects rendering in common schemes. Con: Clash with a more rigorous ref num giving by the transport authority, "40459" or such. Another (complementary) practice is to put just "F" as the name - which

Re: [talk-au] State names

I assume we are specifically talking about addr:state ? If so the connotation is on the state as part of a postal address rather than as a place per se. Therefore I suggest using capitalised abbreviation and that the document Warin quotes is

Re: [talk-au] Morton Bay National Park should have it's ID numbers under ref=

I also agree. Putting other info into a name is not good practice. Separation allows map renderer and search functionality to decide what to do rather than being forced into something. I personally like to tag in a generic way as possible and therefore would use the "ref" tag as my choice.

Re: [talk-au] I have written a response to DNRM, please give feedback

I am the Michael Collinson mentioned by Simon, (hello Simon, it has been a while!). I still lurk on this list and after a long gap will be spending time in Australia each year. I am in Melbourne at the moment and look forward to meeting mappers here on my hopefully less busy visit later

Re: [talk-au] Mapping Gallipoli

Hi Warin, First,  wonderful idea,  my grandad fought there with the 2nd AIF and being able to relate dry names in books to actual places is very satisfying ... whether just looking at the map or making an actual visit. I think it well worth approaching Australian War Memorial. As OpenStreetMap

Re: [talk-au] Australia Postcodes - using AusPost database

:-( I just looked at the license you referenced and it is very, very restrictive. So no. Both the old and new OSM licenses allow commercial usage, (otherwise it would not be an open license). Some publishers if specifically and courteously asked *may* make an exception as OpenStreetMap

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

FYI, Franc was kind enough to let me have a copy of his original Perl import script. Email me if you want a copy. However, and I think Franc would agree, I understand it has really been superceded by the capabilities of ogr2osm. Emilie Laffray said to me in email, If it is done properly

Re: [talk-au] Getting is right

Hi Brett, Your email prompted me to create something I have been meaning to do for a while: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/GettingPermission Hope it helps. Else, if you think meeting Vogon poetry [1] with Vogon poetry would be better, the License Working Group can help if you can

Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

FYI, I am working on the Cooks River Cycleway which I mapped over 2005-2006 and can do the M7 cycleway if needed. I've been able to re-create a map of my efforts from a January 2007 planet dump so have 1,000+ streets and paths over NSW and QLD that I can re-map using Bing imagery. Dalby, Port

[talk-au] BP service station import

License, http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ . Regards, Michael Collinson Name Registered Office: Openstreetmap Foundation 132 Maney Hill Road Sutton Coldfield West Midlands B72 1JU United Kingdom A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales

Re: [talk-au] BP service station import

On 16/01/2012 13:36, John Berkers wrote: Michael, There also appears to be some information related to the location of Coles Express (Shell) service stations on their web site at: http://www.colesexpress.com.au/store-locator/gps-poi.aspx There are data sets specifically formatted for use by

Re: [talk-au] Back in editing - Tracks and 4wd areas

On 05/01/2012 12:36, David Findlay wrote: ... One thing I didn't find, how do I add a gate to a route? Several of these places have gates or fences that you can either go through or over. Thanks, barrier=gate works as a standalone node or part of a fence way

Re: [talk-au] Brisbane bikeway data on data.gov.au

On 04/01/2012 04:43, Chris Barham wrote: Just noticed this recent dataset - potentially useful... Brisbane bikeways on data.gov.au (which is therefore licence compatible?) http://data.gov.au/5472 Hi Chris, Yes. It has a CC BY license. If it is used, just be careful to add it to

Re: [talk-au] Brisbane street names

On 04/01/2012 04:19, Chris Barham wrote: Hi, Just spotted a CC-by dataset of Brisbane, Qld, Aus streetnames... Perhaps possible/useful for checking of spelling of existing street names? (I'm *guessing* that wouldn't violate the licence)

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

inflammatory. Does the gov.au Ok also cover the ABS data? As the ABS data is the only thing left stopping me accepting the new terms. Thanks Mark *From:* Michael Collinson [mailto:m...@ayeltd.biz] *Sent:* Wednesday, 16 November 2011 2:34 AM *To:* OSM Australian Talk List *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] ODbL

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

On 15/11/2011 22:38, Andrew Laughton wrote: Yahoo granted permission for us to trace from their imagery. yahoo imagery was available in josm and potlatch for quite some time. So I'd expect that your tracing of yahoo imagery is fine unless I misunderstand what you did. I knew

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

On 31/10/2011 17:51, 80n wrote: On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz mailto:m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: Could you please, for about the fifth time of asking, publish a verbatim copy the permission that you have received. If you have some

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

dataset used is also listed here in the format /Dataset Name, Date Published, License, Agency Name, originally retrieved from// //http://data.australia.gov.au/ http://data.australia.gov.au/: “ accurately reflects what we have said. Regards, Michael Collinson OpenStreetMap Foundation

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

On 15/11/2011 15:54, Andrew Laughton wrote: This is different to what I thought is was. Could someone please remind me why Nearmap and Google maps do not want us to trace their aerial views ? Google just don't allow it in their basic terms of service. We have asked them to allow us and the

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

not recognise the description of government officials given. I have generally found them to be straight-forward and pragmatic. My dealings here were no exception. Hope that helps, Mike Michael Collinson Chair, LWG ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au