Just because it's a maser does not mean it has good ADEV. Masers use the
hydrogen physics package to discipline an external oscillator just like a GPSDO
uses GPS. So a maser can be considered to be a HDXO... hydrogen disciplined
crystal oscillator. Your maser ADEV is only as good as its
I was scanning through the shared PCB projects on OSHPARK.COM and came upon
this little driver for stepper motor wall clocks:
https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/gpkIWuAW
There is a link to github with various AVR firmwares for doing different random
ticking clocks, a Mars clock, a tide clock,
My Mickey Mouse watch was... it detected a gravity anomaly when the strap
broke and it hit the garage floor. This apparently caused a complete cessation
of temporal flow around the unit, ;-)
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Our clocks aren't good enough.
Ebay is your friend when you need footsies for your old HP equipment... just
search for HP FEET and you should be able to find what you need. As usual, you
will find sellers with reasonable prices and those that think they are made of
25k gold.
Take a look at the code in Lady Heather that does a 48 hour precision survey.
It calculates a weighted median position of fixes over 1 hour periods then
calculates a final position from those medians. The algorithm was developed by
having people around the world with Thunderbolts and quality
Since version 3.1 Lady Heather should be able to find a 9600,8,ODD,1 device.
This was added for the Resolution T timing receiver. It may take it a minute
or so for it to figure out. If the program does not see a valid receiver
version message within 30 seconds or so it toggles the parity
It's not practical to convert an A to a true B model. They use a different
input front end circuit. But, the rest of the machine is compatible. The B
firmware runs on a A. John's CPU board works on either version.
I believe there are 5370 ROM dumps on KO4BB.COM
I few years back i posted on this forum how I restored a 5370A that had a
missing ROM board by installing an EEPROM into the empty socket on the CPU
board. I did have to jumper a couple of address lines to the EEPROM and
perhaps tweak the
Also, ever since the infamous Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction almost all
live TV in the US is on a mandatory delay of several seconds so that offensive
(?) images and language can be censored.
I have a DTV-PAL over-the-air DVR box (made by Dish/Channelmaster, long since
discontinued).
Several of the reciprocal counters (DC509, DC5010) Tektronix built for their
TM500/TM5000 test equipment mainframes use a National Semiconductor noise
generator chip to dither their reference clock. They do this mainly to handle
the case where the input freq and reference clock are very close.
I have had over a dozen HP5370 counters that used the 10544A. I have noticed
the 10544A's tend to have quite a bit better aging characteristics than the
10811A. As with all things oscillatory, it could just be luck of the draw or
due to the fact that they are older than the 10811's and have
http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S42/13/37M75/index.xml
Not much detail there... but there is an article in Science.
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Nope, it's not an error or a problem.
That column of data is showing a decode of the 16 status bits that the Tbolt is
providing.The Trimble docs say that bit is a Leap Pending bit, so that
is what Heather displays. It would be wrong to try and mask/adjust the report
of the receiver's
Many years ago I built a GPSDPO (GPS Disciplined Pendulum Oscillator). A
friend of mine inherited a grandfather clock built in the late 1700's. She
had the movement cleaned and serviced and got the clock working fairly well,
but it was not all that accurate.
I built up a device using a
Every good time nut knows about the hazards and subtle wonders of unintentional
injection locking of oscillators. Other people apparently don't... How forced
injection locking of ring oscillators can be hazardous to your wallet:
A little while back there was a discussion about some of the issues using the
PSIP data from digital TV broadcasts as a time source... it's not a good idea.
Here is some data of why not:
http://home.earthlink.net/~schultdw/atsc/tdata/index.html
And when daylight savings time gets thrown into
I have seen several issues with Windows programs not releasing (or perhaps not
being able to releaase) the serial ports after using them. Once one of these
programs accesses the serial port, no other programs can use it until you
re-boot. I'm fighting windoze Hypertrm right now over this
Today the Dallas area has been experiencing several eathquakes. The largest
were magnitude 3.2, 3.6, and 3.1 at a depth of around 4km.They happened
around every three hours. I am around 5 miles from the epicenter. They are
strong enough to shake the house quite a bit. The largest put a
Lady Heather is set up to run the serial port at 9600,8,N,1 If it sees data
errors, after around 20-35 seconds or so, it toggles to 9600,8,O,1 This
feature was added to support the Trimble Resolution timing receivers. You can
try the /rt command line option and see if that makes any
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When I first came across that article on theregister.com, I thought that it
was a rather cute idea and decided to give it a try. I set up a couple of
data recorders that logged AC zero crossings to an SD card (with 64 Mhz clock
resolution). They were set up around 8 miles apart. I also
Sparkfun is selling a board (around $15) based on the STM VL6180 chip that
measures distance based upon time-of-flight of pulses from an on chip (or at
least in-package) VCSEL IR laser. Claims to have a range of 0 .. maybe 30 cm.
Unfortunately it doesn't look like you can directly access
The L1 only antenna that did very well was an AeroAntenna
AT575-75W-TNCF-000-RG-26-NM Also a Racal LandStar MK4 did well. These are
both small L1 only survey antennas.
All my L1/L2 antennas are choke ring survey/geodetic grade devices... an
equivalent choke ring L1 only antenna should
Lady Heather has a display option (G L) for blanking out the location
display... no need to mess with Photoshop...
Ok, my *assumption* is that the location data has been Photoshopped. Normally
that
is not worth commenting on. It’s something that a lot of people do.
On a Thunderbolt, you can only manually enter your position with using
single-precision floating point numbers... not really accurate enough for a
time-nut. When Lady Heather does a precision survey, it stores the
high-prescision results of the 48-hour survey by doing repeated single-point
A couple of thinks to note:
Before running the auto-calibration feature, first set the antenna elevation
mask angle to a low value and let it run for a few (say 12) hours. This will
collect data on the received signal strength vs satellite elevation angle. The
auto-calibration routine sets
At least with a Tbolt, they do help... and quite a bit. When I was writing
Lady Heather's precision survey code I tested it with several antennas
(comparing the results to a cm level L1/L2 survey). The Leica antenna and a
couple of other survey grade/choke ring antennas were, by far, the
Should be fun when it becomes available... they claim they can get accurate
carrier phase info using a cheap antenna in the phone... and in real time.
It should also be able to get accurate time.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-05/uota-ncg050415.php
Well, a big one will be in 2017 when all our Tbolts roll over.I have
included some code in the next version of Lady Heather to compensate. If it
detects a year from the unit before 2015, it converts the date/time to Julian,
adds 1024 weeks worth of seconds, and then converts the
iRobot (the Roomba vacuum cleaner people) have applied for an exemption to
allow them to send beacon signals in a 6-7 GHz band to fence in their new
lawnmower. The band they want to operate in is apparently for indoor only low
power applications.
The easy solution is to just buy some goats...
The problem is the human visual system only processes one object at a time.
You can't look at and compare two separate items simultaneously. You could
minimize the effect by placing one clock face directly in front of the other
with like only the 12:00 positions visible (or two LEDs next to
The SiLabs part only supports loop filter time constants down to 60Hz. GPS
loop filters usually use values in the 100's to 1000's of seconds.
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If you want to play with a homodyne doppler radar, search Ebay for hb100
microwave sensor. It is a cute little 10 GHz doppler module that costs
around $6. It can be operated in continuous or pulsed mode. The output does
require a couple of op-amps to get a TTL level output.
Several years ago (OK, the last millenium) I GPS disciplined a friend of mines
200 year old grandfather clock that she had inherited. I used a solenoid to
nudge the pendulum. Surprisingly, it worked quite well the first time. The
biggest problem was the pendulum did not swing at a 1Hz
BG Micro has some nice 48V 2A power supply modules for around $12. IEC power
cord in (100-240V), 2.1mm barrel connector out. Seems to work well with my
Nortel GPSDOs, but I haven't scoped the thing out for noise, etc.
Sounds like very poorly to me...
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A friend of mine is the test engineer/clock guru for one of the major
manufacturers of clock chips. Rest assured that all watch makers know the
usage profiles for their customers quite well and they do indeed tweak the chip
to compensate for the typical profile. If your usage pattern does
I wonder how much such an environment would improve time-nut equipment
performance and measurements? They claim a 2-3x resolution increase in a STM.
http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/07/inside-the-quietest-room-in-the-world/
I laid out a through-hole version of Warren's board in Eagle and had OSHPARK
fab up three of them. I sent one to Warren and am using the other two. The
one mod I made was to use a single darlington TO-220 instead of the two
transistor stage that Warren used. They seem to work quite well.
I
If the SRS stores the CALBYTES info in EEPROM, continuously updating it will
wear out the EEPROM in a relatively short time.
There were some proposals about interfacing the freq adjust up/down buttons in
the FEI Rb modules to steer the device... I calculated that the EEPROM would
be
The 5370 cooling fan blows across the chassis directly onto the input board.
The switches are basically gold plated strips on springy material that slide on
the circuit board. They are open to the world and not sealed. Dust and fluff
accumulates on the board and into the switches. You
It's also interesting that they are not teaching/using printed tables. They
enter the readings into a computer to calculate the location... assuming the
computer has not been EMP'd or hacked. It's much harder to EMP/hack a book.
I was taught the subtle wonders of celestial navigation in
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/29/leap_second_international_comms_conf/
Interesting take-away... 2012 leap second caused lots of snafus... 2015 leap
second barely noticed. The computer world seems to have finally payed the
leap second the respect that it deserves and now has it under
One interesting thing in the paper was that they scanned the entire IPv4
internet address space and found around 13 million NTP servers. Around 3
million of them were serving up the incorrect time.
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Now, for 140E-6 bonus points, spot the error in the article...
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My bet is was just a power glitch or a corrupted message that raised the alarm
and that your unit is OK. If the error reoccurs then you may have a hardware
problem.
There is an undocumented message that you can send to the unit to set the
allowed range of the EFC signal. Default for the Tbolt
When I was in high school (early 1970's) I designed and built my own alarm
clock out of TTL... (none of that sticking the guts of a commercial alarm clock
in a pencil case that get kids arrested today). Also built my first computer
by interfacing a TV Typewriter to a calculator chip. I was
Something tells me these guys haven't a clue...
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A friend of mine built a clock that they used to time-sync a lot of those
stations. It was basically a nice OCXO built into an ammunition can. They
flew it to various stations around the world. One particular trip to sync the
stations in the mid-east was particularly interesting... ammo
On the new board, I would add a header for GPS TXD/RXD/PPS/PWR/GND to make it
easy to play with different GPS modules...
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How could anybody possibly accept/consider/use a VAX/Unix as a solution to any
real computer problem? The manual set only takes 3 feet of shelf space.
Anybody knows that a real (IBM) computer requires 80+ feet of documentation.
Or so I was once scolded by the management of a Very Large
The GPS system is pretty much limited to 32 active satellites. There are
currently 29 satellites broadcasting usable navigation data. Plus some WAAS
signals from geosynchronous orbit.
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The tube has a finite life time (probably less than 7 years of on-time, maybe
as low as 3 years) and costs a BUNCH to replace. I only run mine when I need
to. I warm mine up overnight before I use it to let it stabilize.
Plus make sure you run it for a day or two every 6 months or so to keep
My tbolt is reporting 29 currently active PRNs...
27 Sats in the sky.
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Not only battery backed up SRAM but EEPROM config data has problems. I'm a
bit of a mass nut and have seen lots of old precision balances (i.e. Sartorious
and Mettler) that used first gen serial EEPROMs to save their cal/config data.
Lots of these are going senile. I had to build
Real time nuts use Comet Cleanser to raise their xtal frequency and a graphite
pencil to lower it. Only crystal cretins would use toothpaste ;-) All my
FT-243's are more acc'rit than those new-fangled silly slezium and rubitinium
oscillators and masery thingamabobs. Geeze, them youngin's
A friend of mine is the clock chip guru at one of the major semiconductor
manufacturers. He said that the jitter in clock chip oscillators is rather
horrendous. Getting an oscillator to reliably start and run smoothly on
nanowatts of power is the major design issue for clock chips. Jitter
Another thing to consider is the gravity anomaly caused by that hunk of granite
beneath your clock (or above it in a mine). Hmmm, what is the clock shift at
the top of Mt Everest that is due to the mountain and not the altitude?
Yep, been there, done that... I own a Worden gravity meter.
Gravity mapping is a highly developed technology. Not just Everest, but the
whole planet:
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These are a fairly nice and cheap hot air tool. The really nice thing is they
have been reverse-engineered and an open-source firmware is available. I have
one. Have also built a nice reflow oven out of a $40 Walmart toaster oven... I
used the temperature control PID code out of Lady
OSHSTENCILS.COM make excellent laser cut kapton solder paste stencils for dirt
cheap. I have had stencils in the mail the same day I sent them gerber files.
OSHPARK does good work for boards, but they can be expensive for larger boards
or quantities. I usually use gojgo.com (in China, but I
And check out Bryan Mumford's stuff at bmumford.com
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My bet is interaction of the load current and power supply with the EFC and/or
OCXO.
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The GPS spec implies the satellites have a fixed frequency offset to compensate
for relativistic effects. But do they actually dynamically and/or individually
adjust the frequency to adjust for orbit variations and eccentricities?
I once got in around 20 Tek DM5?? GPIB DVM modules for the TM5000 series
mainframes. They have a rechargeable nicad pack soldered to the circuit board.
All the meters still had good cal data but the cells were on their way out.
The meters are a pain to re-calibrate...
I used a DIP clip
Check out the ESP8266 based wi-fi modules. They are dirt cheap (< $5) and tend
to have excellent range. Sparkfun has some that are nice (and more expensive)
that break out all the processor pins. The ESP8266 is a 32-bit processor with
on-chip wifi. The ESP8266 are now supported in the
> I wonder if I've got anywhere near the skills to do it...
Probably not right now... it's not so much as knowing C, it's knowing the ins
and out of knowing how your operating system (Windows, Linux, etc) interfaces
with your hardware (display, mouse, serial port, keyboard). Basically, if
> The dynam al capacitance is a couple of fF, and thus R1 is between 10k to 80k
> depending on the size
A friend of mine has been fighting a 32 kHz clock problem on an ARM processor
(used to wake up from periodic sleeps). In discussions with the CPU and
crystal makers it looks like some of
I'm partial to the Youyue 858d. Not because it is particularly good, but
because there is some nice open-source firmware for it. It's also rather
inexpensive (around $40). Note that there are a lot makers of -858d
stations. Not all use the AVR chip that the open source firmware runs
> When is some organization going to explain what happened in February for
> almost two hours starting at 00:16 GMT? That subject has gone silent. Rob,
> NC0B
I heard back from NAVCEN. They said it was a Trimble issue and that Trimble
would contact me (they didn't). But that does not jive
Also, when messing with a 10544A be aware that that the frequency tuning
adjustment must be made with an insulated tool.
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Not to mention that a lot of pots that have been sitting at the same setting
for years tend to distort the resistance element where the wiper has been
making contact. Then when you make a small adjustment you cannot reach the
value that you need. Ahhh, the subtle wonders of aligning old
Actually not hard to do... lay out circuit board (free version of Eagle),
have boards fab'd at Oshpark.com or your favorite Chinese proto shop (I like
gojgo.com). Have solder paste stencil made at oshstencils.com. Squeege
solder paste down with a credit card. Place components by hand.
Yes, all satellites dropped out from 00:16:51 to 01:54:02 UTC in Dallas,
Texas. Was tracking 5 sats then, poof, none.Global warming? Gravity
waves? More bogus GPS control segment uploads? Somebody gots some 'splain to
do...
I filed an outage report with NAVCEN via their web site and got an email back
asking for more info (which I supplied). I got the impression that they were
not aware of what was going on. Googling around also does not show any
official reports of problems. Rather surprising considering the
Attached is a Lady Heather plot of the "event". Note that there were a couple
of brief places during the outage where one satellite was tracked.
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NIST is working on a quantum thermometer. Apparently the current version is
not very accurate, but they are working on it. If it ever comes to be,
should be interesting... particularly when paired with their photonic
thermometers.
I believe that it was mentioned here that the BG7TBL GPSDO disciplined
oscillator controls the OCXO using a FLL (frequency locked loop) instead of a
PLL (phase locked loop). Their implementation causes a slight error in the
output frequency. Search the time-nuts archives (best to use Google)
Mark's Law of Rubidium Goodness... the bigger the box, the better it is. The
HP5065A is one of the best units ever made. It can rival a cesium beam unit.
The X72 is a horrid little creature.
I would also go with the M100 / FRK units. The LPRO an FE56xx units were
designed for telecom use
When an old electronic gizmo starts failing across multiple units, the culprit
is almost always failing electrolytic capacitors. Check your GPS board for
electrolytic caps and replace them. There could be some other component that
is susceptible to an age-related failure mode, but caps are
In many ways the 5065A is the probably the most repairable of all the units
(closely followed by the FRK family and the M100). They all use parts that
are mostly still available and the circuitry is accessible. You can assume
that the lamp (and maybe some of the microwave parts) in any Rb
Yes, they do. They seem to use different orbital, gravity, geoid, TAI, etc
models. Trying to merge fixes from different systems leads to all sorts of
problem, particularly at nuttery levels. I've seen reports that GPS and
GLONASS fixes can be off well over 50 meters when referenced to the
And that can be very interesting... a while back I read some stories on how
the NSA, police, etc could find out where an audio recording was made by
correlating AC hum in the recording with logs that they had of the power grids.
Apparently logging AC mains is rather popular among the spooky /
Another issue is that FTDI is back at it again with making their drivers
incompatible with clone FTDI chips. Their previous attempt actually bricked
the clone USB interface chips. Their latest driver just sends garbage out the
serial port. If you are using a cheap USB to serial converter
Apparently the PLCC version of the chip is a lot easier to find than the DIP
chip. One could make an adapter board to use the PLCC in a DIP socket. The
PLCC will probably not fit between the rows of legs of the DIP, so the adapter
would need to be bigger than the DIP footprint. Or if
Try iy with a pull-up. I have seen LPROs with an open collector type of
output.
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Heather can log the binary packets that it sees.Use keyboard command "oj"
to toggle packet logging mode. Then use the "wlw" command to open the log
file. Let it run for a couple of minutes. Close the log file with "wls".
> Mil-spec parts would be somewhat more reliable than commercial parts.
Actually, that is seldom true. The main difference between mil-spec parts and
commercial parts tends to be in the post-packaging device testing (e.g..
extended temperature / voltage range). They usually have the same guts
On the subject of RS-232 converter chips... I have had problems running
MAX3232's at 3.6V. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they
get freaky hot. The general symptom seems to be no -6V output.
I've never had problems running MAX232A's at 3.6V, even though they are
Well, if you think the 5V ref is bad, you could pull the ref chip and jumper
the logic 5V to its output pad (through a resistor... maybe 1K) to do a quick
and dirty test. If the resistor output is dragged down, you know something is
loading down the ref voltage.
> This is great news. Will the code be available for inspection /
> modification?Yes. It is the same source code as the current version. Just
> compile under Linux and voila... The code currently has a no-commerical
> copyright on it, but I am going to GPL it (if I can ever figure out what
John Miles is now hosting the latest Lady Heather 4.0 files. His server is a
little less skeezy than tinyupload.com (which on Windows machines apparently
offers to update your Java with about every click). I've used tinyupload for
years on a Mac, and never got such a "generous" offer. No
I have uploaded a ZIP file to tinyupload.com with the source and a Windoze .EXE
file for the beta test version of Lady Heather. For Windows users, copy the
heather.exe to your current Lady Heather directory (might want to first rename
or copy your old heather.exe as a backup.
For Linux users,
She lives! She sings! She dances!Turned out it was not the serial port that was
blocking... it was the X11 event handler. XNextEvent blocks if no event is
pending. There is a X11 call that got around it...
So far everything seems to be working well. I still need to do a lot of detail
work for
>Would there be enough horsepower for a Pi 3 to run Lady Heather and act as a
>stratum 1 NTP server?
I suspect so, the PI3 has quad core 64-bit capable 1.2GHz processor. The PI3
seems to be about 50% faster than the PI2. It also runs about code about as
fast as a 2 GHz Pentium 4. But the
Ars Technica just published a piece on leapseconds. There is some interesting
info on what makes the earth a poor clock and our abilities to measure it
(want to smooth it out a bit... cut down all the trees).
The question came up about Lady Heather's system usage on a PI3. Turn's out
she's quite the little resource hog. CPU usage hovers between a whooping 2 and
3 percent ;-) Running on a PI2 showed about the same.
Slinging a window violently around on the srceen and it peaks to around 20%.
So
There is what looks like a decent carrier board for Ublox modules on
OSHPARK.COM's shared project library. It has a voltage regulator and RS-232
interface on it... would be nicer if it had a prototype area and swoopty PPS
driver, but I'm too lazy to lay out a better one. Three boards will
I have added some code to Lady Heather to talk to SCPI GPSDOs (also Motorola,
Ublox, and NMEA) and am looking for a guinea pig to test it... I have a Z3801A
and want to see if it is also 3815/3816/etc compatible. Please contact me off
list.
I might be able to send a WIndows .EXE , but a lot
Lady Heathe does have sidereal time support. Set the time zone name to LMST or
GMST or LAST or GAST and you get sidereal times...
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