: [TruthTalk] The
Sabbath Breaker of Numbers
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I am mean and ugly because I stand for salvation
by grace through faith.
DAVEH: Naw Glenn, you only seem that way when
you are standing next to your beautiful and sweet wife! VBG
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In a message dated 3/21/2003 9:14:28 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jesus judged motives. Did he sin when he did this, or does he get a
free pass because he supposedly was not really subject to human
weaknesses?
Jesus didn't have to judge motives - he knew the heart of man!
In a message dated 3/21/2003 9:59:44 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have only given you warning that it is the Lord who weighs your boasting, so be very careful that your boasting is not considered arrogance to Him, who is Judge
Glenn is the LEAST judgmental person I know.
ShieldsFamily wrote:
While
we should hold him accountable for meanness, surely we dont blame him
for his genetic coderight? Izzy
DAVEH:
That's right, Izzy. But on the other hand, we want to be careful
not to let Dr. Clonenstein use him for any genetic experiments!
VBG>
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Salvation
by grace through faith, plus nothing, minus nothing.
DAVEH: Let me know when you want to discuss this, Brother Glenn.
There
is no salvation in Roman Catholic, Church of Christ, 7th Day Adventist,
Jesus Only Pentecostals, or Mormons membership.
Salvation
by
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I have only given you warning that
it is the Lord who weighs your boasting, so
whatrevelations (relevant to biblical
prophecy, then or now) are you talking
about?
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I don't believe in David's revelations. I
believe in Biblical
revelation.DAVEH: Glenn, do you
Iz--May I point out one remarkable
aspect of this verse you posted(?)--the fact that Jesus stipulates what
'belongs' (pres tense) to'such as these' now , not merely
someday, in the future--like tripping overshelter in the Rock rather
thantripping on rocket science :-) but pls don't ask me
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I
don't believe in David's revelations. I believe in Biblical revelation.
DAVEH: Glenn, do you believe there were any revelations given outside
the framework of the Bible? And, do you believe there could be revelation
given by God even today?
David,
When will you
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I am mean and ugly because I stand for salvation by grace through faith.
DAVEH: Naw Glenn, you only seem that way when you are standing next
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Perry wrote:
I do not think that material is still around,
so I guess without a bit of research I cannot
quote verses on it. Besides, I am sure that
whatever I find, you can find others that
refute it.
I believe that the Bible leads us into truth. When we hold to something
that is
David, and fellow TT'rs,
This may be a good point to bring up some questions, and I hope that
other TT'rs chime in as well.
Many of the points that we discuss on TT require a tremendous amount of
research (biblical and extra-biblical) in terms of scanning, cross
referencing, and word
g:
Rom 6:12 -- Therefore do not let sin reign in your
mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
this text is crystal clear: 'do not let sin reign..', either a radical modification of
Jesus' 'be ye perfect' or a perfect understanding of Jesus unplugged; but, it doesn't
say 'do not sin..'
even
Perry wrote:
Do you really think that it takes all
of that research to be a Christian?
No. The idea that Jesus Christ came to set us free from sin is not
rocket science. I saw this from reading my Bible when I was 17. I
sincerely do not think that the problem is study or research. The
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David, and fellow TT'rs,
This may be a good point to bring up some questions, and I hope that
other TT'rs chime in as well
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"ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perry, Jesus said, "Let the
little children come to me..the kingdom
of heaven belongs to such as
these." (Matt 19:14)
Gary wrote:
you do agree to 'confess' your sin/s, don't
you?
[DavidM:]Yes, of course,
:}
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David, and fellow TT'rs,
This may be a good point to bring up some questions, and I hope
be lost.
By all means, when I say that one has faith, I also imply all that leads
up to developing true faith.
Perry
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Dave, you have never understood Biblical saving faith and the difference between it and intellectual faith.
DAVEH: Perry..Does repentance have anything to do with salvation? IOW, can those who don't repent be saved?
It is totally a work of our Lord and
Savior. To God be the glory for his
y all that leads
up to developing true faith.
Perry
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"Charles P. Locke" wrote:
Hey, Glenn, you are
You didn't come clean on this verse. You misused the verse out of context to defend your works/salvation. You are slick by asking a question and not making a statement, but I can read between the lines.
Glenn wrote:
What you say above means one cannot save
themselves. I think you know the
Perry wrote:
I do believe that we are expected to keep the
commandments, which are outlined by Jesus in
the verses below, and in other places in the
scriptures. However, I do not believe that we
are expected to live sinless lives...in fact,
I believe that we cannot. The verse be ye
Perry, you've had it now. You've hit David's sacred cow. The only problem is I have seen on TT, that he is not perfect. He is a great person, but far far far from perfect.
Perry wrote:
I do believe that we are expected to keep the
commandments, which are outlined by Jesus in
the verses
If you have a Church of Christ background you know all the dirt on all the church fathers. You are using a CC attack. The dirt stops CC people from examing the truth.
How many people on TruthTalk knew that Luther rejected the
book of James as not part of the Bible
David, you have called me a hypocrite. You are dead wrong. You are showing how imperfect you are. What have you got against me?
I have to rebuke you in Jesus name for calling me a hypocrite.
Glenn, you play the hypocrite and you seem
to be the only one who can't see it. Everything
No, I will not do this. But I will leave TT. I understand why you are kicking me off of TT. You do not welcome the hard truth on TT. You, my sincere friend, as a hypocrite. You do what you accuse me of doing.
For the sake of the list, I'm going to ask you Glenn to limit your posts
to two posts
David Miller wrote:
For the sake of the list, I'm going to ask
you Glenn to limit your posts to two posts
per day for one week. ... Are you willing
to work with me on this?
Glenn wrote:
No, I will not do this. But I will leave TT.
I understand why you are kicking me off of TT.
You
Gary wrote:
Rom 6:12 -- Therefore do not let sin reign in your
mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
the Ap Paul knows that sin is present; sin
demands to 'reign' in him; therefore, the
command--think about it--'do not let sin reign'
is either a radical modification of JCs 'be ye
Perry wrote:
Salvation does not remove us from the POWER
of sin as you stated below. Our jutstification
through Christ removes us from the PENALTY of sin
(which is death), and we enter into [eternal] life.
... Sanctification removes us from the POWER of sin,
which is a gradual process
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Perry wrote:
Salvation does not remove us from the POWER
of sin as you stated below. Our jutstification
Jesus said he came to fulfil the law in 17, and then in 18 said that nothing will pass from the law until all be fulfilled. My question is, did Jesus fulfil the law? If he did, what does that do to the law under the new covenant? If he did not, then what did he mean when he said he came to
Gal. 5:1. I honestly believe the Bible teaches a person backslides when he goes from salvation by grace through faith to mixing salvation with the law. Gal. 5:4. It is obvious that Christ has become of no effect to 7th Day Adventists and others on TT that take up for the 7th Day cult.
The reason
I am also interested in hearing your answer to the second question I asked:
If he did, what does that do to the law under the new covenant?
Perry
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Gal. 5:1. I honestly believe the Bible teaches a person backslides when he
goes from salvation by grace through faith to mixing salvation
Much learning can make a person "mad". David has become better and better at explaining away salvation by grace through faith. Common Sense is greatly lacking in these detailed humanistic explanations.
Surely, Paul (as in Eph. 3:4 and John 20:31 for a quick example) wrote so as to be understood.
Perry wrote:
Hey, Glenn, you are not alone. I, too, understand
that salvation comes through faith, not of works,
lest any man should boast (Eph 2:8,9)
Amen. I believe this too.
Perry wrote:
There is NOTHING WE CAN DO to save ourselves.
It is totally a work of our Lord and Savior.
To
WRONG. IT DOES NOT COME FROM INSTANT BELIEVISM. David, you are as blinded when it comes to this as any person I have ever met. You can't see beyond easy believism to ANYTHING. Because of this you are taken in (deceived) by a works salvation.
I think if you are honest with examining where you got
There is no need to show you any Bible. You explain away the Bible with humanistic reasoning. Your mind is made up so why confuse you with the truth? You re blinded because of easy believism. If you try to save yourself, David, you will go straight to hell.
The verse about "save yourself".
s of other verses that give us the whole
picture.
Blessings,
Terry
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Hey, Glenn, you are not alone. I, too, understand that salva
On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:18:46 +
"Charles P. Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey, Glenn, you are not alone.
I, too, understand[..]salvation
what is 'salvation'?
you know we're in the aftermath of a huge
snowstorm here, in Denver..in which i saw numerous examples of 'salvation' (imo)
Terry, there is Biblical saving faith and there is intellectual faith. I believe that George Washington was President of the United States but I am not believing in GW to take me to heaven.
I am not believing in church membership, perfectionism, baptism, Lord's Supper, works, etc., to take me to
Terry wrote:
If Jesus had not fulfilled the law, He could
not have stated IT IS FINISHED!
How much more dows it take?
Are you saying that you believe that every prophecy has already been
fulfilled? Are you saying that the resurrection and eternal judgment
has already taken place?
Saying, It
What you are saying below is a smoke screen to the truth. It doesn't address the point that the law if over. It is much ado about nothing.
Saying, "It is finished" does not mean that everything is finished.
Jesus was talking about his destiny to be the sacrifice for the sins of
the world. That's
Glenn wrote:
I believe that George Washington was President
of the United States but I am not believing in
GW to take me to heaven. ...
I am not believing in church membership,
perfectionism, baptism, Lord's Supper,
works, etc., to take me to heaven.
I haven't heard anyone on TruthTalk
Tremendous post.
, with
G3588) completeness:--of full age, man, perfect.
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Perry wrote:
Hey, Glenn, you are not alone. I, too, understand
Glenn wrote:
I believe that George Washington was President
of the United States but I am not believing in
GW to take me to heaven. ...
I am not believing in church membership,
perfectionism, baptism, Lord's Supper,
works, etc., to take me to heaven.
I haven't heard anyone on TruthTalk
Perry:
For the Jewish folk, Galatians 3:24 (Therefore, the law was our
tutorto bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after faithhas come, we are no longer under a tutor.)
Being a gentile,I was never under the law. (Lev.27:34)
(The law is for the childrenof Israel)
Perry wrote:
David, you are right. I was taught that by
preachers. But after I was taught that, I
learned that it was this truth that awakened
Martin Luther and thus was one of the foundational
tenets of the reformation. Sola Fide, I believe it
was called.
Just because it was one of
Glenn wrote:
But you double talk. If what you say
above is true, then salvation is by grace
through faith, plus nothing, minus nothing.
I see your position as double talk. You say that works follow faith,
but then you balk if someone suggests that someone might not have saving
faith if
Again, David, you act like the Church of Christ. I think you should start attending one. You might like it. The Church of Christ attacks the messenger when they can't refute the message. You have attacked the messenger, and you have not refuted salvation by grace through faith, plus nothing, minus
Glenn said...
What you say above means one cannot save
themselves. I think you know the context of Acts 2:40. If
the Republican Guard in Baghdad wants to save themselves, then they must
separate themselves from Saddam H. That is the context of Acts
2:40.
Uhhh... whatever happened to
You are right. I was trying to give an illustration of the context. The context of Acts 2:40 had to do with the evil civilization around them. Below was what I was trying to illustrate. This verse is not about getting saved from my sins but about get saved from physical destruction in context.
Terry, How very true. You are quite astute. Izzy
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Hey, Glenn, you are not alone. I, too, understand that salvation comes
through faith, not of works, lest any man should boast (Eph 2:8,9) There
is NOTHING WE CAN DO to save ourselves.
DAVEH: Perry..Does repentance have anything to do with salvation? IOW, can
1CO 15:2 By which also ye are
saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have
believed in vain.
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. Otherwise, I fear that we might all
be lost.
By all means, when I say that one has faith, I also imply all that leads
up to developing true faith.
Perry
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I am
not bragging about sinning. It is not a sin to forget the Sabbath.
IN FACT, IT IS A SIN TO REQUIRE PEOPLE TO OBSERVE THE SABBATH. SO I
Glenn wrote:
THE SABBATH HAS NO MEANING TO ME.
I will just line up with Jesus Christ
on this one.
You do not line up with Jesus Christ on this one. The Sabbath had
meaning to Jesus Christ, and still does, and it had meaning to all his
apostles. To make a statement like this is to depart
Glenn wrote:
The commandments have changed.
What? Have you become a Mormon now? LOL.
Jesus taught that until heaven and earth passed away, there would be no
change in the commandments.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot
or one tittle shall in no wise
WRONG! This is just like the Church of Christ mixing works and salvation. Saturday worship has nothing to do with Christ today. TT has a secret agenda (It seems to me.) to teach a doctrine that people who refuse to wear the name of Christ are on their way to heaven. ONLY people belonging to Christ
David, your whole comments below are built upon a false foundation. The false foundation is that Saturday worship is still a law. This is a sick foundation. Jesus lived under the law (a broke it's traditions) I do not. To mix works with salvation Roman Catholicism.
You answered you own question.
Glenn wrote:
LOL It is ALWAYS A SIN TO JUDGE MOTIVES.
Jesus judged motives. Did he sin when he did this, or does he get a
free pass because he supposedly was not really subject to human
weaknesses?
John 2:24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew
all men,
John 2:25
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David,
quit taking up for Judiazers. This is a grave doctrinal error.
Quit taking up for Jews that refuse to wear the name of Christ. This
is grave doctrinal error. This is the reason I left TT and will leave
it again. I can't take much of this tommyrot. It breaks my
judgement;
not to refrain from judging. It is you who are judging me.
Izzy
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Glenn wrote:
David, quit taking up for Judiazers.
This is a grave doctrinal error.
Quit taking up for Jews that refuse
to wear the name of Christ. This
is grave doctrinal error. This is
the reason I left TT and will leave
it again.
I think you do not understand my position
My answer to all this mixing of works and salvation is John 3:16. Salvation by grace through faith plus nothing minus nothing. John 3:16. Of course I have heard this explained away on TT. Much talk about salvation by grace, but when all the posting is said and done, it is not what is believed.
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Glenn wrote:
David, your whole comments below are built
upon a false foundation. The false foundation
is that Saturday worship is still a law.
This is a sick foundation.
The reason this is my foundation is because Jesus taught:
Mat 5:18 For verily I say
Glenn to DaveH - Agreed, except for the grand entrance. :-)
Whether one worships on Saturday or Sunday or whenever, doesn't
concern me as much as whether one feels the need to have reverence for the Lord on a regular basis. I'm sure the way you explained your believe was meant to agitate some
Yes, I am judging right from wrong. I am not judging your motives. For example, I am judging as wrong the requirement for Saturday worship.
NOW, if I say, Izzy, the reason you want to play like you believe in Saturday worship is to have a day where you have an excuse to not do anything. You can
You twice wrong. I do not teach that. Saturday worship is fulfilled and no longer required. You are wrong on what I said. BUT more importantly you are wrong on what Jesus said.
Glenn teaches that keeping the Sabbath holy is no longer law. Jesus
taught that not one jot or tittle will pass from
Law is fulfilled. Study Hebrews. The veil has been torn from top to bottom.
Please explain to me what you do with his passage (Mat. 5:18)?
There is a difference in REFUSING to be called a Christian and honestly be mistaken on wearing the Divine name of Christian as was a fulfillment of prophecy.
So I guess we might agree. But we really don't because the people you are referring to REFUSE to wear the name Christian. Now, I do not
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Glenn wrote: David, your whole comments below are
built upon a false foundation. The false
foundation is that S
Izzy, is not honest with herself. He takes up for Judaizers and their "go to hell" attitude, but she gives people like me, who believe in salvation by grace through faith, plus nothing minus nothing, sharp jags.
The people who require Saturday worship get her "niceness", but if anyone disagrees
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Izzy,
is not honest with herself. He takes up for Judaizers and their "go to
hell" attitude, but she gives people lik
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The
Bible does not say so. The Bible tells us no such thing. Romans
14:5-6. Why don't you call God Jehovah? I call your doctrine a lie
hatched out of hell by Satan
Slade, You are so cool! J Izzy
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We should
worship YHVH on EVERY
You obviously are a very sick religious bigot. I guess I need to treat you like a baby and a sinner headed to hell. The New Testament does not say so. WHO GIVES A FLIP WHAT 7TH DAY ADVENTIST SAY???
NOW LET ME ANSWER THAT. JESUS DOES AND HE CONDEMNED TO AN EVERLASTING HELL FIRE THE
I WARN YOU THAT YOU ARE DEFILING THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. YOU JUST INSULTED JEHOVAH GOD, THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE BY TEACHING "IN FOR HELL" DOCTRINE.
WHAT IS WORSE IS THAT YOU ARE TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN HOW TO DEFILE THE NAME OF JEHOVAH TOO!! YOU ARE SICK! YOU ARE OF YOUR FATHER THE
Since when you are God, Izzy?
Michael D: Slade, one wonders if glorified bodies like Jesus' which walked through walls, will ever get tired and need to rest John says that when we see Jesus we will be like Him. Paul says that we shall be changed. One wonders what would be the need of a
Slade si cool because he is a Judaizer which people are condemned to hello fire in Galatians. But I am mean and ugly because I stand for salvation by grace through faith. You are sick too Izzy.
Slade, You are so cool! J Izzy
What you are saying David, is NOT what the Bible says, but this is nothing new here on TT with the non-Christian view.
Jesus did NOT fulfill all the law. His coming to fulfill the law is
progressive. He fulfilled many parts, such as the part requiring
atonement for sin, ushering in the Kingdom of
I don't believe in David's revelations. I believe in Biblical revelation.
David, When will you finish telling us about your Sabbath revelation? Izzy
Slade wrote:
Whatever system you come up with, David, it must
explain why David was not stoned for his sin.
Should we not give YHVH room to work his Chesed?
Chesed is not just a New Testament concept.
David proves it.
Your system makes mercy something written into the letter of the law,
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There
is a major problem with mixing grace and works with salvation (even while
claiming not to do so) it makes faith something
Salvation by grace through faith, plus nothing, minus nothing.
There is no salvation in Roman Catholic, Church of Christ, 7th Day Adventist, Jesus Only Pentecostals, or Mormons membership.
Salvation by grace through faith, plus nothing, minus nothing.
I grieve to know that you think this is a
HalleluYAH! Let it be so.
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Our
Lord and Savior broke the Sabbath traditions. I break the
BECAUSE IT IS NOT A SIN TO FORGET THE SABBATH. I DON'T TRANSGRESS THE SABBATH. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TRANSGRESS BECAUSE THE SABBATH AS A LAW IS GONE FOREVER.
DAVEH: I hope you don't think I am condemning you for this, Glenn. FWIW, I'll leave the judgment of your soul to our Lord. But I am curious as
I am not bragging about sinning. It is not a sin to forget the Sabbath. IN FACT, IT IS A SIN TO REQUIRE PEOPLE TO OBSERVE THE SABBATH. SO I AM, NOT EXPRESSING PRIDE BUT I AM, FREEDOM IN CHRIST.
I've got to tell you that I've transgressed enough on my own that I won't be comfortable sitting on
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Nope.
I am again with Jesus in condemning the Pharisees. The commandments
have changed.
DAVEH: Now if I had said that, can you imagine the condemnation that
would have resulted?
You
don't keep the Sabbath either.
DAVEH: Did I claim otherwise, Glenn? I thought I made it
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Slade wrote:
The death penalty was stayed because David did not REBEL
and hide his sin.
Is this something you
Slade wrote:
The death penalty was stayed because David did not REBEL
and hide his sin.
Is this something you find in the law of God? Where in the Torah does it
say that if a man commits murder and does not rebel and hide what he did,
then his death penalty will be stayed?
Peace be with you.
Slade wrote:
It was not the breaking of Shabbat that caused his stoning,
it was the INTENTIONAL SIN that killed him.
David Miller wrote:
Are you saying that breaking Shabbat is not a capital offense?
How do you understand the following verses? ..snip..
Slade wrote:
As far as your gently
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Are you saying that you are a liar? Doesn't that kind of hurt your
credibility? :-)
Romans 3:4; Psalms 116:11
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Slade wrote:
It was not the breaking of Shabbat that caused his stoning,
it was the INTENTIONAL SIN that killed him.
Welcome to TruthTalk, Slade.
Are you saying that breaking Shabbat is not a capital offense? How do you
understand the following verses?
Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath
Hi Slade! What a cool name; are you a detective? Izzy
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Slade wrote:
It was not the breaking of Shabbat that caused his stoning,
it was the INTENTIONAL SIN that killed him.
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