David: Does provoked to respond this way (employing an acerbic tone with
accompanying critical and, itself provocative language, which critiques
beliefs/persons which another holds dear) entail SIN(NING)? Do you, David,
on occasion do the same thing on TT or, elsewhere?
Come on guys ?? You
SOL, David. (Smile out loud)
- Original Message -
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: Linda Shields [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: January 27, 2006 18:24
Subject: [TruthTalk] Joke
A West Texas cowboy was herding his herd in a remote pasture
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: January 28, 2006 06:17
Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] Joke
Whodathunkit? A PARTISAN in a totally non-partisan crowd. Oh well, I guess
the Lord has political affiliations that we knew not of
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: January 27, 2006 17:35
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?
For Judy there is no "considering" an alternate point of
view, in order to come to a conclusion after considering. She is of the
"just say
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: January 27, 2006 17:16
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?
Sigh. I guess you've already alerted her many times to the
fact that if she takes this position, then everybody who disagrees with her
Lance, why are you putting Judy on
trial? You could share these messages with her in private you know.
David Miller
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:24
AM
Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] Was
Lance, one thing I have learned about you is that
you do not pay attention, your
pre conceived ideas rule in your own mind. I have
said over, and over, and over
and over that I do not consign ppl anywhere. This
is not my call to make and so
far as I am concerned as long as there is physical
David Miller: "putting Judy on trial, David"? I've seen YOU go on over a
thorougoing misunderstanding (read misinterpretation) ad nauseum. You've
"demanded" that said person humble themselves while offering up an apology for
less than Judy does in about one of every two posts. Gimmeeabreak,
You wise ones will probably find it amusing that I see
you as the "rebellious" and "obdurant" I also
perceive no humility at all, none of any kind,
intellectual or other. Neither do a read any spiritual
understanding or evidence of a renewed mind going on
(of course DMnot included). Well
I genuinely rejoice with you regarding your son.
Much of that which you say herein resonates deeply with me.
God be with you and, your family,
Lance
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 28, 2006 06:44
Subject:
Imagination run amock Lance .. You have seen
things that are not there, they are constructs
of your own imagination.
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:58:03 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
David Miller: "putting Judy on trial, David"? I've seen YOU go on over a
thorougoing
Judy: DM an exception of course! How utterly ironic
that those two (JT DM) who esteem themselves more highly than others with
respect to their capacity to "infallibly read" the Scriptures fail to see
themselves in those very Scriptures. "Awake thou that sleepest"
- Original Message
I'm so sorry Judy but, have you failed to read the
recent posts concerning Christine? Have you also failed to read of DM's many
misadventures or, to have seen the accompanying photographs? Here is some of the
logic that underpins that which they do: Let us go forth with T-shirts and
Once more Lance you put what you are about on to me.
You might be surprised to learn that I spend little or
no time psychoanalyzing any of you. The
difference between all of you and DM is that most of what comes
from him is godly counsel; also he showslove and
caring in difficult situations.
JT:Implicit-He 'hides Himself" from you (bad) guys
while "showing Himself" to us (DM and myself, good guys). I see no pride there.
Does anyone else see any pride there? BTW, I DO believe you represent God fairly
in that which you say. That little bit that I know of JD, G, BT, DS etc. would
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:14:10 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm so sorry Judy but, have you failed to read
the recent posts concerning Christine? Have you also failed to read of DM's
many misadventures or, to have seen the accompanying photographs? Here is some
of
Very hard to tell Lance because noone you mention ie G,
BT, DS etc. revealthemselves; what I read from them
is mostly their opinions (of
others)-glowing ones aboutfavorite theologians and/or
critical onesconcerning
myself and many times DM. DS does produce a
little essay now and then which
Even the 'exalted one' had a 'revelation'
concerning BT. It was favourable concerning his 'living out the gospel'. Did you
forget that? Have you failed to read, from all of the aforementioned, life
anecdotes? I thought that 'see'rscould 'see'. As Dennie Crane would say,
upon receipt of an
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:07:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Even the 'exalted one' had a 'revelation'
concerning BT. It was favourable concerning his 'living out the gospel'. Did
you forget that?
That was HIS revelation- not mine.
My experience with BT has been
Some might draw a comparison between the 'witch of
Endor" and you but, I'd not place myself alongside such, Judy. You do appear to
have some sort of 'gift' for wrong descriptions of many on TT.
These back-and-forthis this morning JT, are simply
an informed opinion regarding you. I've said
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:40:10 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Some might draw a comparison between the 'witch
of Endor" and you but, I'd not place myself alongside such, Judy. You do
appear to have some sort of 'gift' for wrong descriptions of many on TT.
I can't
I, for one am apalled by the Reprimand sent to
Christine Miller by the University of
Florida - My how far we have fallen. Where is the
freedom of speech we are promised
and why is it OK to promote every perversion publicly
on this Campus but God's Truth is
ridiculed and maligned?
I find it
Be wise as serpents, harmless as doves. This would
appear NOT to describe Christine. If she climbs in the ring then, she'd best be
prepared for combat.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 28, 2006 09:05
Subject:
Are you intimating that Christine is "harmful" because
she speaks the truth in apublic
setting Lance? Sad that there is no honor or
wisdom in these places of learning ie:
"Professing themselves to be wise they became
fools"
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:11:44 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lance wrote:
Be wise as serpents, harmless as doves.
This would appear NOT to describe
Christine. If she climbs in the ring then,
she'd best be prepared for combat.
I just want to remind you that most of the so-called reports about her are
filled with false accusations. Christine is most
No Judy, that is not my meaning. DM's post seemed
to indicate surprise over the school's response. Why? When one enters the 'fray'
one ought to expect persons to contest her point of view. She is a woman and,
peer to many who don't like what she is doing.
- Original Message -
I think you once spoke of being 'struck on the head with a baseball bat',
David. What surprised me about this was that it was the first time.
Side with the sodomites, David? When you and your daughter decide to
exercise free speech with respect to OP's life choices then, expect that
at least
My reaction is not surprise, Lance. I consider their action to discpline
Christine to be outrageous and illegal. You should feel the same way. It
is a clear case of discrimination, and at the bottom of the letter is
written, an Equal Opportunity Institution. What hypocrisy!
You ought also
Lance wrote:
When you and your daughter decide to exercise
free speech with respect to OP's life choices then,
expect that at least some of them will respond in a
less than considerate fashion. Duh!
I have a reasonable expectation that they should obey the law. Speech is
meant to be
Lance wrote:
It strikes me as strange that such as yourself, along
with your offspring, believe yourselves called upon
by God to get in the faces of others with accompanying
signage then call for the cavalry when these groups take
offence and retaliate.
Are you going to say the same thing if
Lance, event preaching is a little different from campus preaching. Please
try not to confuse the two. Furthermore, even at event preaching, we don't
condemn those in attendance. We reprove, rebuke and exhort. We wake up
Christians who are out there sinning, knowing that they really should
Lance wrote:
... those two (JT DM) who esteem themselves more
highly than others with respect to their capacity to
infallibly read the Scriptures
I don't esteem myself this way, and I don't think Judy does either.
David Miller.
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with
Judy wrote:
What is wrong with the following scenario
apart from telling ppl to go to hell which I
seriously doubt they say
Rest assured, Judy, that we do not tell people to go to hell. I tell them
that I am on no better ground than they are. The testimony of Jesus Christ
is what we bring.
myth (that
'reasonable expectation'is false essentiallythe essence
of legalizm self-confirmed partic while your stated preaching/mission is
directed specifically
againstlawbreakerslawlessnesslawbreaking)
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:24:51 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I
have a
myth (false
representation ofJCs mission and its ensuing NT doctrine--rooted in
Kantnot Christ?)
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:51:41 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What
I do is show the ugliness.. If we keep the doctrine of Christ quiet,
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