PS David, I'm relieved you have such a cool boss and I hope you can enjoy
the rest of your sabbatical.
Thanks, whoever-the-heck-you-are, I've been having an excellent time and the
childishness we've seen here from the likes of Mark Fink and Paige Thompson
haven't impacted my enjoyment of it
A lot of this is non-sense. We'll see if this technological
contribution lasts.
If it is useful, then so be it. How long it lasts, and how useful it
turns out to be, in the end, depends on how many people apply that
technique, that's all.
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Christopher
Like any other descriptive characters, any name can be penned.
At any rate, mono is useful, there's a few cases I've come across were
mono just did the trick.
Of course as a technology itself, there are pros and cons. I can
advocate for and against mono. About the opportunities that it brings
as
Hi Mark,
I think I understand now why you and the list have been butting heads so
much. I'd like to present my theory, then explain how you can be more
productive in advocating to developers.
At a Fortune 500 company, I would expect that advocacy is very political
- it's important to create
Il giorno mar, 09/06/2009 alle 19.43 -0400, Mark Fink ha scritto:
to MONO boosters, MONO is a religion:
http://nocturn.vsbnet.be/node/142
To UBUNTU boosters, UBUNTU is a religion. I am not surprised by this.
V.
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Il giorno mar, 09/06/2009 alle 20.02 -0400, Mark Fink ha scritto:
Maybe you should go start an I HATE MONO!!! mailing list, Mark,
where you
can dispense your bile without fear of having anyone point out that
you're
doing nothing to add light here, only heat.
no wonder you got
Mark Fink continues to scribble:
luckily only stupid people who can't think for themselves fawn over
MONO...some of the forum moderators are novell employees (or people
who drink they're koolaid)...
Wasn't it you who was complaining not long ago about personal attacks...?
I'll refrain from
it would be better if it was removed from the repos too, but ubuntu
would get back some of its respect if it at least removed MONO from
the default install like Fedora is doing.
A few questions:
a) Respect from whom, exactly? You? Paige?
b) Why does this matter? Is someone running a contest
no wonder you got reported to your boss, david. you are not very
resptful of your users and customers.
I'm not sure I'd know where to begin being resptful of someone. I had a
resptful sleep last night, though.
Neither you nor Paige are my users or my customers. We're all (supposed to be)
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote
to MONO boosters, MONO is a religion:
http://nocturn.vsbnet.be/node/142
To UBUNTU boosters, UBUNTU is a religion. I am not surprised by this.
And to Mono-haters, Mono-hating is a religion. As Mark has been amply
demonstrating here.
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Vincenzo Ciancia wrote
no wonder you got reported to your boss, david. you are not very
resptful of your users and customers.
You all are going completely crazy. Reporting to bosses?? Do you think
it is RIGHT to risk to ruin a career and a life because of a discussion
on the web?
Yes,
2009/6/10 Mark Fink mpf...@gmail.com
yes it does and the people behind the censorship need to be exposed
for what they really are
Moderators?
As I understand, the Ubuntu forums are for useful, constructive posts that
adhere to the Code of Conduct. It would appear to be almost a consensus
Mark Fink wrote:
it would be better if it was removed from the repos too, but ubuntu
would get back some of its respect if it at least removed MONO from
the default install like Fedora is doing.
I just listened to the FLOSS Weekly podcast from May where they
interviewed a Fedora developer and
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:58 PM, David
Schlesingerdavid.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote:
Mark Fink continues to scribble:
luckily only stupid people who can't think for themselves fawn over
MONO...some of the forum moderators are novell employees (or people
who drink they're koolaid)...
I hope mono wins
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday 09 June 2009 7:43:37 pm Mark Fink wrote:
obviously some of the forum moderators are novell employees (or people
who drink they're koolaid) who are censoring respectable people like
Christopher Chan wrote:
These are about 'standards'. Can there really be a technical argument
between using say the metric system versus the foot/yard or the ounce/pound?
Yes:
1) state your technical requirements
2) state the relevant properties of each standard
3) argue about which
Il giorno lun, 08/06/2009 alle 20.50 -0300, Derek Broughton ha scritto:
That's not an argument, it's a complete misdirection. Are you really
just
fink using different nym?
Professional trolling here at work. Do the communist have to do with the
plan? Just to know on what side I want to
You're welcome David, anytime you want to set yourself up for that go for
it. I can't promise I'll be here to hand your ass to you after you've so
carelessly lost track of it, unfortunately.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:36 PM, David Schlesinger
david.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote:
I want
Scott James Remnant wrote:
Why should Ubuntu actively prevent a developer from writing software in
C# if they wish? That software may not even be intended to be shipped
in Ubuntu, what if they want to use Ubuntu as the basis for an
application that happens to be written in C#? Do you
I want to thank Paige for taking advantage of my out of the office
advisory to share her generally childish behavior with my manager, off-
list. We had a good laugh over that one, thanks. No jobs available for
you right now, Paige, sorry, but feel free to send a resume when you
get to be
Il giorno mar, 09/06/2009 alle 09.48 -0400, Mark Fink ha scritto:
that's a LOT of bloat
also programs like Gnote are GPL3 so you are protected from patents
Come on this is the only fair criticism that I have seen until now; I
think we still don't ship timidity fonts and have broken midi
Il giorno mar, 09/06/2009 alle 12.14 -0400, Christopher Olah ha scritto:
It appears to me that the most important point has been forgotten: the
accusations of censorship. This, if true, is very alarming...
We can bicker over Mono all we like, but if people are being censored,
like the OP
Ubuntu is a centralised entity. No external person can control e.g. why
we have a custom search in the home page of firefox by default. People
who can't tell the difference will keep using a different google, but
there is not even way to get some discussion around this (I tried in the
past).
On Monday 08 June 2009 5:26:17 pm Paige Thompson wrote:
well _sir_, I just cant help _but_ notice _that_ you are all_acting
douchebags--_and_ I thought _I_ might _make_ that obser_vation_.
Well that wasn't very polite...
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http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com
apt-get
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Christopher
Olahchristopherolah...@gmail.com wrote:
It appears to me that the most important point has been forgotten: the
accusations of censorship. This, if true, is very alarming...
We can bicker over Mono all we like, but if people are being censored,
like
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:47 PM, David
Schlesingerdavid.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote:
it would be better if it was removed from the repos too, but ubuntu
would get back some of its respect if it at least removed MONO from
the default install like Fedora is doing.
A few questions:
a)
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:58 PM, David
Schlesingerdavid.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote:
Mark Fink continues to scribble:
luckily only stupid people who can't think for themselves fawn over
MONO...some of the forum moderators are novell employees (or people
who drink they're koolaid)...
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Christopher
Olahchristopherolah...@gmail.com wrote:
Ubuntu is a centralised entity. No external person can control e.g. why
we have a custom search in the home page of firefox by default. People
who can't tell the difference will keep using a different google,
On Tuesday 09 June 2009 7:56:34 pm Mark Fink wrote:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:47 PM, David
and working on from there. I can't think of any similarly significant
contributions from Mark Fink or from Paige Thompson. Why would I respect
your view more than Miguel's? Respect is earned around
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday 09 June 2009 7:43:37 pm Mark Fink wrote:
obviously some of the forum moderators are novell employees (or people
who drink they're koolaid) who are censoring respectable people like
neighborlee when they speak
Good Morning,
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 18:36:29 -0400
Mark Fink mpf...@gmail.com wrote:
[...removed totally annoying article...]
As I'm not a MONO Fanboy myself...and sometimes boycott novell does
write good articles...but please...
Mono gives us a good way into the MS front...this could also be a
as benfrank said yesterday on boycottnovell:
The solution seems obvious and easy: don’t make Mono or Mono apps
part of the default install. Leave them in the repos for the users who
want them. Easy as falling over. Not wanting to even discuss such a
simple solution makes it credible that Ubuntu
you sound like a typical M$ appologist. do you sleep well at night?
hope they are paying you well.
Clearly Mark doesn't understand the meaning of the phrase personal attack...
Physician, heal thyself.
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This guy is trolling you hard. REALLY hard.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Remcoremc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday 08 June 2009 7:49:32 am Mark Fink wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Stephan
On Monday 08 June 2009 9:39:31 am Mark Fink wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote:
Instead of whinging, why don't you write BETTER replacements for those
applications in C, if it bothers you so much? Whinging is simply not
constructive.
people
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Remcoremc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Luke Llukehasnon...@gmail.com wrote:
This guy is trolling you hard. REALLY hard.
Who is trolling me? I think Mark Fink can use some communication
skills, but he has a certain point somewhere deep
On Monday 08 June 2009 10:00:27 am Mark Fink wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Remcoremc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Luke Llukehasnon...@gmail.com wrote:
This guy is trolling you hard. REALLY hard.
Who is trolling me? I think Mark Fink can use some
Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
Jo is a nice fellow, met him at UDS. Didn't seem very much to be
infiltrating...more like sitting around being cheerful and chatting with
whatever folks sat down.
Oh sure. That's what he _wants_ you to think
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On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps I misunderstand why the term application framework is any better
than a pile of libraries and languages that work together, but I think it'd be
extremely difficult for Microsoft to try to argue that .NET is older
On Monday 08 June 2009 10:55:32 am Remco wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote:
And in using Flash, we're Adobe technology users (even if, like I do, you
use
swfdec instead of Adobe's plugin). Sometimes pragmatism is needed to gain
enough users for
This is clearly a not invented here syndrome. please read wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here
I'm a software engineer, I personally tried both java and .net (I
don't like python very much because it's easy to get things out of
control)
I don't care where a technology is
On Monday 08 June 2009 11:35:15 am Remco wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote:
IIRC, video is:
1) only in HTML5, not XHTML
Which is irrelevant. Nobody uses XHTML. The kind of fake XHTML that
some web designers use can use video without problem.
Remco wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps I misunderstand why the term application framework is any
better than a pile of libraries and languages that work together, but I
think it'd be extremely difficult for Microsoft to try to argue that
Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
This is clearly a not invented here syndrome. please read wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here
I'm a software engineer, I personally tried both java and .net (I
don't like python very much because it's easy to get things out of
control)
I don't
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca wrote:
Remco wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps I misunderstand why the term application framework is any
better than a pile of libraries and languages that work together,
Someone from Access chimed in on this one, glad he's getting paid to dick
around like this.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca
wrote:
Remco wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie
well _sir_, I just cant help _but_ notice _that_ you are all_acting
douchebags--_and_ I thought _I_ might _make_ that obser_vation_.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:22 PM, David Schlesinger
david.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote:
Someone from Access chimed in on this one, glad he's getting paid
Remco wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca
wrote:
Remco wrote:
We're still being a Microsoft technology user, which is what Mark
Shuttleworth didn't want, and is the reason why Wine is not included
in Ubuntu.
It's not? When did that happen?
$
Remco wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David
Schlesingerdavid.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote:
As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You
were completely mistaken about it, rendering your argument meaningless.
The appropriate response at that point is
Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
sorry stephan for getting this twice, didn't hit reply-to-mailinglist
Oh well...in the 80ties/90ties when Java was invented and was used by
more people then Turbo Pascal in no time, I said the same...It was
closed source, and had too much of Sun in it..
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:17 AM, David
Schlesingerdavid.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote:
Basically, it just needs the same love as Mono.
One thing I think I can state with certainty about free and open source
software development is that demanding that a bunch of other folks drop what
Remco wrote:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca
wrote:
Remco wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David
Schlesingerdavid.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote:
As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You
were completely mistaken
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca wrote:
Remco wrote:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca
wrote:
Remco wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David
Schlesingerdavid.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote:
As Derek pointed
I sorry, just wanted to be a part of the lols
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca
wrote:
Remco wrote:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca
wrote:
Remco wrote:
As a reader of this list I have to confess that the tone of the emails
being sent appear to have degenerated into name calling and I have to
confess that I'm not particularly interested to spend my voluntary spare
time reading messages between people abusing one another.
Perhaps I'm naive in
2009/6/9 Derek Broughton de...@pointerstop.ca
Sorry, but no. You are pretending to have a rational discussion, while
dismissing perfectly valid arguments.
The codecs are
not-in-Ubuntu the same way as Wine, because they are not installed,
No, they are not. The codecs are NOT in Ubuntu
Perhaps I'm naive in thinking that a technical argument can be had in a
civilised tone.
Ah, but you see...these are NOT technical arguments.
These are about 'standards'. Can there really be a technical argument
between using say the metric system versus the foot/yard or the
Mark Fink wrote:
A short while ago, Roy Schestowitz wrote
http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/01/banning-opposition-to-mono/ which
has some disturbing evidence of MONO supporters actively censoring
good honest and concerned people such as Neighborlee on the ubuntu
forums and today I read some
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Steve Reillysfrei...@roadrunner.com wrote:
Mark Fink wrote:
A short while ago, Roy Schestowitz wrote
http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/01/banning-opposition-to-mono/ which
has some disturbing evidence of MONO supporters actively censoring
good honest and
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Mark Finkmpf...@gmail.com wrote:
I see you are shooting the messenger, steve.
the MONO camp has infiltrated canonical and now they are going around
censoring anything that proves MONO to be the poison that it is. this
is not a laughing matter and the fact that
I hope you get rid of MONO. only then can your reputations be restored.
I'm sorry... You want Ubuntu to drop a FOSS program because it's
developers are allegedly being problematic? I can't follow this train
of thought.
I don't think Mono is a particularly useful language myself, but
people are
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Christopher
Olahchristopherolah...@gmail.com wrote:
I hope you get rid of MONO. only then can your reputations be restored.
I'm sorry... You want Ubuntu to drop a FOSS program because it's
developers are allegedly being problematic? I can't follow this train
of
Mark Fink wrote:
MONO is a poor imitation of java, so why use MONO!?
Shows what I know I guess - I thought it was a poor imitation of .net...
I was a java evangelist for years. Too bad it never lived up to its
promise.
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On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Mark Finkmpf...@gmail.com wrote:
you sound like a typical M$ appologist. do you sleep well at night?
hope they are paying you well.
Let's inject a little humour here. When making arguments, it's
vitally important that your language doesn't make me think of
there is proof posted in both articles
There are specific events pointed to. I don't think your realize the
severity of the accusations you're making (or supporting...). You are
accusing members of the FOSS community of deliberately censoring and
suppressing people. You are asking for people to
On Sunday 07 June 2009 7:48:45 pm Mark Fink wrote:
this is what the MONO developers want you to believe, but no one
really wants MONO. users still using MONO only do so because they've
been tricked by miquel co who worship m$ and will do anything to
help them destroy linux.
Hi :) Mono-based
On Sunday 07 June 2009 8:22:41 pm Mark Fink wrote:
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Christopher
So, your saying that theres not a single corporation that has ${Vital
Application} written in .net? I'm not saying that it was a good
choice, but that is the way it is and Ubuntu not supporting it
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