Re: Egyptian Hieroglyph Man with a Laptop

2020-02-13 Thread Frédéric Grosshans via Unicode
Le 12/02/2020 à 23:30, Michel Suignard a écrit : Interesting that a single character is creating so much feedback, but it is not the first time. Extrapolating from my own case, I guess it’s because hieroglyphs have a strong cultural significance — especially to people following unicode

Re: Egyptian Hieroglyph Man with a Laptop

2020-02-12 Thread Frédéric Grosshans via Unicode
  Frédéric On Thu, 12 Feb 2020 19:12:14 +0100 Frédéric Grosshans via Unicode wrote: Dear Unicode list members (CC Michel Suignard),   the Unicode proposal L2/20-068 <https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2020/20068-n5128-ext-hieroglyph.pdf>, “Revised draft for the encoding of an extended Egyp

Egyptian Hieroglyph Man with a Laptop

2020-02-12 Thread Frédéric Grosshans via Unicode
Dear Unicode list members (CC Michel Suignard),   the Unicode proposal L2/20-068 , “Revised draft for the encoding of an extended Egyptian Hieroglyphs repertoire, Groups A to N” (

Re: Proposal for BiDi in terminal emulators

2019-01-31 Thread Frédéric Grosshans via Unicode
Le 31/01/2019 à 10:41, Egmont Koblinger a écrit : Hi, Personally, I think we should simply assume that complex script shaping is left to the terminal, and if the terminal cannot do that, then that's a restriction of working on a text terminal. I cannot read any of the Arabic, Syriac etc.

Re: Proposal for BiDi in terminal emulators

2019-01-30 Thread Frédéric Grosshans via Unicode
Le 30/01/2019 à 14:36, Egmont Koblinger via Unicode a écrit : - It doesn't do Arabic shaping. In my recommendation I'm arguing that in this mode, where shuffling the characters is the task of the text editor and not the terminal, so should it be for Arabic shaping using presentation form

Re: wws dot org

2019-01-17 Thread Frédéric Grosshans via Unicode
Thanks for this nice website ! Some feedback: Given the number of scripts in this period, I think that splitting 10c-19c in two (or even three) would be a good idea A finer unicode status would be nice

Re: Can NFKC turn valid UAX 31 identifiers into non-identifiers?

2018-06-07 Thread Frédéric Grosshans via Unicode
Le 07/06/2018 à 18:01, Alastair Houghton a écrit : I appreciate that the upshot of the Anglicised world of software engineering is that native English speakers have an advantage, and those for whom Latin isn’t

Re: Can NFKC turn valid UAX 31 identifiers into non-identifiers?

2018-06-07 Thread Frédéric Grosshans via Unicode
Le 06/06/2018 à 11:29, Alastair Houghton via Unicode a écrit : On 4 Jun 2018, at 20:49, Manish Goregaokar via Unicode wrote: The Rust community is considering adding non-ascii identifiers, which follow UAX #31 (XID_Start XID_Continue*, with tweaks). The proposal also asks for identifiers to

Re: metric for block coverage

2018-03-08 Thread Frédéric Grosshans via Unicode
Hi !    I’ll just add two points to the various points raised in the previous conversation about block coverage : Le 17/02/2018 à 23:18, Adam Borowski via Unicode a écrit : Hi! As a part of Debian fonts team work, we're trying to improve fonts review: ways to organize them, add metadata,

Re: Internationalised Computer Science Exercises

2018-01-22 Thread Frédéric Grosshans via Unicode
Le 22/01/2018 à 17:39, Andre Schappo via Unicode a écrit : By way of example, one programming challenge I set to students a couple of weeks ago involves diacritics. Please see jsfiddle.net/coas/wda45gLp There is huge potential for some really

Re: Re: U+0261 LATIN SMALL LETTER SCRIPT G

2017-03-28 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
I don't think it is a script capital G, but I admit it is arguable. One of the reasons is that the related variables s and μ are not script capital. If you're interested, I could check in the book if script capital are used in this book for other notations. Le mar. 28 mars 2017 à 18:52, "Jörg

Re: U+0261 LATIN SMALL LETTER SCRIPT G

2017-03-28 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 28/03/2017 à 18:14, Richard Wordingham a écrit : On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 21:10:58 +0900 "Martin J. Dürst" wrote: (in Re: Standaridized variation sequences for the Desert alphabet?) On 2017/03/27 21:59, Michael Everson wrote: Aa and Ɑɑ are used contrastively for

Re: Encoding of old compatibility characters

2017-03-28 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 28/03/2017 à 02:22, Mark E. Shoulson a écrit : Aw, but ⏨ is awesome! It's much cooler-looking and more visually understandable than "e" for exponent notation. In some code I've been playing around with I support it as a valid alternative to "e". I Agree 1⏨3 times with you on this !

Re: Encoding of old compatibility characters

2017-03-27 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Another example, about to be encoded, it the GOUP MARK, used on old IBM computers (proposal: ML threads: http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2015-m01/0040.html , and http://unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2007-m05/0367.html ) Le 27/03/2017 à 23:46, Frédéric Grosshans a écrit

Re: Encoding of old compatibility characters

2017-03-27 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
An example of a legacy character successfully encoded recently is ⏨ U+23E8 DECIMAL EXPONENT SYMBOL, encoded in Unicode 5.2. It came from the Soviet standard GOST 10859-64 and the German standard ALCOR. And was proposed by Leo Broukhis in this proposal

Re: Translations of city names

2017-03-02 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
It looks like the community having the expertise to answer such question is the GIS (Geography Information Systems) community, more than the Unicode community. Have you tried asking a question on http://gis.stackexchange.com/ ? Frédéric Le 01/03/2017 à 21:56, Jean Aurambault a écrit :

Re: Superscript and Subscript Characters in General Use

2017-01-10 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 10/01/2017 à 12:03, Alastair Houghton a écrit : That’s part of it, but I think also that the thread is increasingly verbose and hard to follow. I still think that the idea of adding U+ SUPERSCRIPT and U+ SUBSCRIPT might be worth contemplating; it would seem to provide a good answer

Re: The usage of Z WITH STROKE

2016-11-25 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 25/11/2016 à 15:38, Janusz S. Bień a écrit : Hi! There are two comments to the character(s) in the U0180 chart: 1. Pan-Turkic Latin orthography 2. handwritten variant of Latin “z” Ad 1. Do I understand correctly that the Pan-Turkic Latin ortography refers to the initiative described in

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

2016-10-10 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le lun. 10 oct. 2016 22:32, Julian Bradfield a écrit : > On 2016-10-10, Hans Åberg wrote: > > It is possible to write math just using ASCII and TeX, which was the > original idea of TeX. Is that want you want for linguistics? > > I don't see the

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

2016-10-06 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 06/10/2016 à 09:21, Marcel Schneider a écrit : I did never see that. Would you show us some examples to look up? Iʼm curious whether they could be managed without accented superscripts. Anyway, combining diacritics should be placeable on superscripts as well. Like «3ᵉ̀ᵐᵉ» ? It already works

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

2016-10-05 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 05/10/2016 à 15:57, Marcel Schneider a écrit : On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 14:27:44 +0900, Martin J. Dürst wrote: On 2016/10/04 19:35, Marcel Schneider wrote: On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 13:47:09 -0700, Asmus Freytag (c) wrote: Later, the beta and gamma were encoded for phonetic notation, but not the

Re: Numerical fractions written in Arabic script

2016-07-27 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 27/07/2016 à 14:29, Frédéric Grosshans a écrit : Le 27/07/2016 à 03:12, Robert Wheelock a écrit : How do Arabs, Iranians, Afghans, Pakistanis, Urdu ... all write their equivalents of common numerical fractions (consisting of a numerator, a separator character, and a denominator

Re: Numerical fractions written in Arabic script

2016-07-27 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 27/07/2016 à 03:12, Robert Wheelock a écrit : How do Arabs, Iranians, Afghans, Pakistanis, Urdu ... all write their equivalents of common numerical fractions (consisting of a numerator, a separator character, and a denominator)?!?! Considering that Arabic written script reads from right to

Re: Adding half-star to Unicode?

2016-06-24 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 24/06/2016 00:37, Leo Broukhis a écrit : For a previous discussion on the topic, please see the thread "Missing geometric shapes" around 11/12/12 The thread starts here : http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2012-m11/0008.html It contains an example of half-filled star used in RTL

Re: Latin Letters Capital and Small Theta

2016-06-13 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 12/06/2016 02:20, Doug Ewell a écrit : Marcel Schneider wrote: While some characters were retained, others were rejected, among which the Latin Theta pair, but no mention is found of this rejection in the Non-Approval Notices. Lots of characters in proposals are rejected without rising to

Re: Mende Kikakui Number 10

2016-06-10 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 10/06/2016 18:05, Philippe Verdy a écrit : OK, represents 11, but is not clearly represents 10, and the proposals do not exhibit 10 with the same glyph as PU (even if it is based on it, in fact the combining TENS is a small subscript glyph

Re: Mende Kikakui Number 10

2016-06-10 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
If you look at the documents archived for 2012 (http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2013/13001-register-2012.htm), you will find, beyond the Mende proposal (http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2012/12023-n4167-mende.pdf), several documents by Deborah Anderson focused on the problem of the encoding model Mende

Re: The Hebrew Extended (Proposed) Block

2016-05-11 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 11/05/2016 18:05, Philippe Verdy a écrit : But are these supplemental Malayalam letters borrowed from Syriac really RTL like in the Syriac script ? I have doubts (it would seriously impact the Malayalam script which is LTR). Since these character are uses to write the Malayalam *language* in

Re: Purpose of and rationale behind Go Markers U+2686 to U+2689

2016-03-20 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 15/03/2016 22:21, Andrew West a écrit : Possibly. I certainly have very little expectation that a proposal to complete both sets to 999 (or even 399) would have any chance of success. And then, there are also the historical example of ideographic numbers used for the same purpose in

Re: Girl, 12, charged for threatening her school with emojis

2016-03-01 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 29/02/2016 22:55, Philippe Verdy a écrit : So it's not the meaning, nor the technical mean by which these terms were sent which is essential, the court will in fact want to judge about the intent and the effective psychological nature of this threat. What is the real intent of a 12-year old

Re: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 09/02/2016 12:18, ACJ Unicode a écrit : [...] To me, the obvious solution to these problems would be to at least add the following characters to the Unicode standard: * LATIN SMALL LETTER J WITH ACUTE; * LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH ACUTE. [...] Adding new composition of existing

Re: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 09/02/2016 16:58, Michael Everson a écrit : For completeness sake, one could also make a case for the following: > >• LATIN SMALL LIGATURE IJ WITH ACUTES; >• LATIN CAPITAL LIGATURE IJ WITH ACUTES. Or IJ (or ij) + combining double acute. The rendering of these in a standard font (IJ̋ij̋)

Shouldn’t the proposed U+23FF OBSERVER EYE SYMBOL be an emoji ?

2016-02-07 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Dear Unicode list readers (cc Simon Griffee, Rick McGowan), I have some problems with the proposed *U+23FF OBSERVER EYE SYMBOL (named so in the pipeline http://www.unicode.org/alloc/Pipeline.html and in the Draft additional repertoire for ISO/IEC 10646:2016 (5th edition) CD.2

Re: [Unicode] Re: HENTAIGANA LETTER E-1

2016-01-14 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 13/01/2016 22:39, Garth Wallace a écrit : The rationale for U+1B001, AIUI, was that it was used in some modern scholarly works about the history of the Japanese language to distinguish between/e/ and/je/ before they merged in the modern language. I don't know if historically that

Re: Re: Turned Capital letter L (pointing to the left, with serifs)

2016-01-05 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le mar. 5 janv. 2016 10:13, "Jörg Knappen" <jknap...@web.de> a écrit : > I have looked up some printed sources and I agree with Michael Everson and > Frédéric Grosshans that the > beast in question is a variant of the greek letter tau (capital or > lowercase). >

Re: Turned Capital letter L (pointing to the left, with serifs)

2016-01-04 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
I looked all the pages of the 1809 edition of _Theoria motus corporum coelestium in sectionibus conicis solem ambientium_ https://archive.org/stream/bub_gb_ORUOQAAJ where Gauss used this notation in pages 80-81. Almost all notations are standard enough to be familiar to any modern (2015)

Re: Turned Capital letter L (pointing to the left, with serifs)

2016-01-04 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le lun. 4 janv. 2016 à 09:18, "Jörg Knappen" a écrit : > Here is a report of a rather strange beast occurring in historical math > printing (work of C. F. Gauß) in thw 19th century: > > >

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

2015-12-10 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 10/12/2015 05:32, Martin J. Dürst a écrit : A similar example is the use of accents on upper-case letters in French in France where 'officially', upper-case letters are written without accents. Actually, the official body in charge of this (Académie Française) has always recommended

Re: AW: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

2015-12-09 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
For more information on the capital sharp s (ẞ) (converting Maße to MAẞE), you can also look at Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_%E1%BA%9E (more details in the german version https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_%E1%BA%9E ) and Andreas Stötzner 2004 proposal to Unicode

Re: Non-standard 8-bit fonts still in use

2015-10-20 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 16/10/2015 02:22, Don Osborn a écrit : I was surprised to learn of continued reference to and presumably use of 8-bit fonts modified two decades ago for the extended Latin alphabets of Malian languages, and wondered if anyone has similar observations in other countries. Or if there have

Re: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-10 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Q1: neutral Q2: annoying Q3: reducing value of the list for me Le jeu. 10 sept. 2015 20:10, Peter Constable a écrit : > I was having an offline discussion with someone regarding certain topics > that may show up on this list on occasion, and the question came up of what

Re: [RFC] Discussion about chances of some characters to be added in Unicode

2015-09-08 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 07/09/2015 20:18, Steven R. Loomis a écrit : Hello! The power symbol was already accepted, see http://unicode.org/alloc/Pipeline.html And the proposal for the power symbol(s) is here http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2014/14009r-power-symbol.pdf . Frédéric

Re: [RFC] Discussion about chances of some characters to be added in Unicode

2015-09-08 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 07/09/2015 19:49, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov a écrit : Hello there! First of all, I'm sorry in advance, if my message's tone is not suitable for that mail list. Next, I'd like to discuss the chances of some characters to be added in Unicode at all. Most of all I interested about: 1)

Re: BidiMirrored property and ancient scripts (Was Re: Plain text custom fraction input)

2015-07-24 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 23/07/2015 20:42, Richard Wordingham a écrit : On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:00:06 +0200 Frédéric Grosshans frederic.grossh...@gmail.com wrote: Le 23/07/2015 00:54, Richard Wordingham a écrit : Which means that Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs are unencoded! Their default direction is right-to-left

Machine learning to find the meaning of emojis

2015-07-22 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
The following post, by Instagram engineering team, might be interesting for the people in this list who are interested in the emoji use in the wild. It’s an attempt to algorithmically define teh meaning of emojis as they are used on instagram .

Re: International Register of Coded Character Sets

2015-06-21 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
I don't know if it's what you're looking for but Google brought me to the following URL. https://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/itscj_english/iso-ir/ISO-IR.pdf I managed to download the pdf without problems. I also successfully downloaded a standard ( http://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/iso-ir/169.pdf ) to check

Another take on the English apostrophe in Unicode

2015-06-04 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
An interesting argument for U+02BC MODIFIER LETTER APOSTROPHE as English apostrophe : https://tedclancy.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/which-unicode-character-should-represent-the-english-apostrophe-and-why-the-unicode-committee-is-very-wrong/ Frédéric

Re: reversed Polish-hook o

2015-06-03 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 02/06/2015 21:38, Janusz S. Bień a écrit : I've just noticed the comment quoted in the subject in the description of 'LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED DELTA' (U+018D) and I'm intrigued how it got into the standard. If you look in the NamesList.txt files

Re: the usage of LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH STROKE

2015-05-31 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 31/05/2015 17:03, Janusz S. Bien a écrit : Quote/Cytat - Andrew West andrewcw...@gmail.com (Sun 31 May 2015 04:56:32 PM CEST): On 31 May 2015 at 15:32, Janusz S. Bień jsb...@mimuw.edu.pl wrote: I'm curious what was the motivation for adding the character to Unicode. I understand the

Re: Unicode block for programming related symbols and codepoints?

2015-02-09 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 9 févr. 2015 20:27, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org a écrit : Sorry, I can't let the compatibility argument go unchallenged again. I stand corrected (and I should have known better! ) ___ Unicode mailing list Unicode@unicode.org

Re: Unicode block for programming related symbols and codepoints?

2015-02-09 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 09/02/2015 13:55, Alfred Zett a écrit : Additionally, people tend to forget that simply because Unicode is doing emoji out of compatibility (or other) requirements, it does not mean that now anything goes. I refer folks to TR51[1] (specifically sections 1.3, 8, and Annex C). [1]:

Re: Is there an IBM group mark symbol?

2015-01-30 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 30/01/2015 17:55, Ken Shirriff a écrit : I'm writing about the IBM 1401 and there's one character from its character set that I couldn't find in Unicode: the group mark. The group mark is three horizontal lines with a vertical line through it (see attached image). This character is used in

Re: Current support for N'Ko

2014-09-29 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 27/09/2014 01:10, Andrew Cunningham a écrit : * NEVER try to copy and paste text from PDF. It is a preprint format and should be treated as such. Well... Having access to the raw text is often useful (for example, to allow blinds to have acces to the content of pdf documents, or to search a

Re: Unencoded cased scripts and unencoded titlecase letters

2014-07-28 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 02/07/2014 16:39, Karl Williamson a écrit : It's my sense that there are very few cased scripts in existence that are ever likely to be encoded by Unicode that haven't already been so-encoded. The Kaddare script ( http://www.skyknowledge.com/kaddare.htm ,

Re: Unified Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics-Missing Syllable Characters

2014-07-17 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 16/07/2014 21:50, Deborah W. Anderson a écrit : gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 8:36 PM There are quite a few missing syllablics characters: •The character for the syllable lhai (lhe) (like a horizontally mirrored lhi, or a rotated lha) The dialect that uses /ł/ does not have

Re: Unified Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics—Missing Syllable Characters

2014-07-16 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 16/07/2014 14:45, Jean-François Colson a écrit : Once upon a time, the ai-pai-tai… syllables were discarded in Inuktitut because there weren’t enough room for the whole syllabary on the daisy wheel of an electric typewriter. If they where discarded for electric typewriters, it means that

Quasiquotation marks

2014-06-10 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
This week’s shady character introduces quasiquotation marks, used in fanzines since at least 1944 for “in substance” quaotation. This mark is the superposition of (or ') with -. http://www.shadycharacters.co.uk/2014/06/miscellany-49-quasiquote/ This looks like a good candidate for unicode

Re: Quasiquotation marks

2014-06-10 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 10/06/2014 15:33, Leonardo Boiko a écrit : What about using U+0331 combining macron below or U+0320 combining minus below? That would more similar to the underline hack discussed briefly here : http://fanac.org/Fannish_Reference_Works/Fan_terms/Fan_terms-07.html But I think it’s the wrong

Re: Swift

2014-06-05 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 05/06/2014 12:52, David Starner a écrit : On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:04 AM, J. Leslie Turriff jlturr...@centurylink.net wrote: What I find interesting is that (with the possible exception of Ada) I don't think that any of the commonly used languages allow for the use of Unicode

Re: IPA and unofficial extensions

2014-04-14 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
proposed here http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n4262.pdf So some person will volontarly use the Latin version of these letters for IPA, and I’m almost sure Michael Everson will tell you that it is the right thing to do... Frédéric Grosshans

Re: Aw: Astrological symbol for Pluto?

2014-02-03 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 03/02/2014 08:57, Jörg Knappen a écrit : Unfortunately, this astrological symbol is given in the Wikipedia article, but not sourced. So I think, further evidence for its usage is needed. Actually, it is sourced (with the other symbils) to http://www.uranian-institute.org/bfglyphs.htm ,

Re: Egyptian Demotic

2014-01-22 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 22/01/2014 09:38, Stephan Stiller a crit: Hi all, Is Egyptian Demotic on somebody's roadmap for Unicode? Apparently not : The script encoding initiative list it with no proposal and no contact here

Re: Aw: Re: Re: Do you know a tool to decode UTF-8 twice

2013-10-30 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 29/10/2013 17:15, Jörg Knappen a écrit : After running this script, a few more things were there: Non-normalised accents and some really strange encodings I could not really explain but rather guess their meanings, like s/Ãœ/Ü/g s/É/É/g s/AÌ€/À/g s/aÌ€/à/g s/EÌ€/È/g s/eÌ€/è/g s/„/„/g

Re: Aw: Re: Re: Re: Do you know a tool to decode UTF-8 twice

2013-10-30 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 30/10/2013 16:13, Jörg Knappen a écrit : Thanks again! My updated sed pattern generator now looks like: r = range(0xa0, 0x170) file = open(fixu8.sed, w) for i in r: pat1 = s/+unichr(i).encode(utf-8).decode(latin-1).encode(utf-8) + / + unichr(i).encode(utf-8) +/g print file, pat1 try:

Re: Aw: Re: Re: Re: Re: Do you know a tool to decode UTF-8 twice

2013-10-30 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
sed, defines a function (unscramble(S)) which works on strings. The extension to files should be easy. Frédéric Grosshans def Step1Filter(S): for c in S : #works character/character because of the cp1252/latin1 ambiguity try : yield c.encode('cp1252

Re: COMBINING OVER MARK?

2013-10-01 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 01/10/2013 02:51, Leo Broukhis a écrit : Hi All, Attached is a part of page 36 of Henry Alford's */The Queen's English: a manual of idiom and usage/ (1888)* [http://archive.org/details/queensenglishman00alfo] Is the way to indicate alternative s/z spellings used there plain text

Re: Why blackletter letters?

2013-09-12 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 12/09/2013 14:21, Neil Harris a écrit : On 12/09/13 11:26, Johan Winge wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:29:51 +0200, Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com wrote: ... The symbol for the empty set ∅ is originally a Greek letter phi ϕ, ans some use the latter. According to the autobiography of André

The always disapearing sign CUNEIFOR SIGN U U

2013-09-12 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 11/09/2013 21:35, Whistler, Ken a écrit : The two currently relevant documents are: Draft repertoire for FDAM2 of ISO/IEC 10646:2012 (3rd edition) (WG2 N4458): http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2013/13150-n4458.pdf and Draft additional repertoire for ISO/IEC 10646:2014 (4th edition) (WG2 N4459)

Re: Mayan numerals (again)

2013-07-02 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 2 juil. 2013 13:11, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com a écrit : 2013/7/2, Szelp, A. Sz. a.sz.sz...@gmail.com: The question is, whether the two versions (horizontal and vertical) are warranted for or not. With my limited knowledge of the matter, I would believe only one set to be

Re: Mayan numerals (again)

2013-06-24 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
that, contrarily to man6 readers of this list, I have no experience in Unicode procedures beyond what I could guess by reading archived proposals available on Internet. Frédéric Grosshans

Re: Arabic quoting characters

2013-06-14 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 14 juin 2013 20:54, Roozbeh Pournader rooz...@google.com a écrit : They are unified with the double angle quotation marks. Persian also uses the round version (and if if I remember correctly, Greek too). Many French texts from the 19th century and early 20th century use them too. In this

Character encoding poetry

2013-05-23 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Carlos Bueno has written a wonderful poem on encoding problems and published it on facebookhere https://www.facebook.com/cmb/posts/619241744770551 (It's also here : http://i.imgur.com/4J7Il0m.jpg)

Re: New computing character from 1961

2013-04-19 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
It looks like an overprinting of the 3 characters = ( ) Le 19 avr. 2013 09:57, David Starner prosfil...@gmail.com a écrit : http://archive.org/details/bitsavers_sdcjovialTerDec61_12294913 is a 1961 programming book on the programming language Jovial. On page 7ff is a character I've never seen

Re: In 2013, there are still programs with huge Unicode bugs :-(

2013-03-23 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
You probably thought on the little Bobby Tables when writing this email... http://xkcd.com/327/ Le 23 mars 2013 01:35, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit : And how many web forms forget to check the presence of a percent sign and are executing SQL searches without cheking it using

Re: Spiral symbol

2013-01-22 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 22/01/2013 01:11, Andrés Sanhueza a écrit : I have wondered if it may be a good idea to make a proposal to an spiral character, You might be interested by this 2011 thread on the mailing list, which was about the way do encode symbols :

Re: Is that character *+A7AC LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SCRIPT G ?

2013-01-10 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 10/01/2013 11:08, Otto Stolz a écrit : Hello, le 09/01/2013 18:07, Frédéric Grosshans a écrit : Yes, but I actually don't know. I'd really like to have some idea on those old printing techniques, but I fear we're drifting to off topic subjects... Am 2013-01-09 um 18:16 schrieb Frédéric

Re: Is that character *+A7AC LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SCRIPT G ?

2013-01-10 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 10/01/2013 00:31, Asmus Freytag a écrit : Would you be able to provide a more complete copy of the article in question. It would allow those of us with the proper background to look for any other potential documents using the character in

Is that character *+A7AC LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SCRIPT G ?

2013-01-09 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Note: this post is better read in a font distinguishing the 2 following characters ɡ U+0261 LATIN SMALL LETTER SCRIPT G g U+0067 LATIN SMALL LETTER G If you follow this link : https://plus.google.com/photos/11730681874106261/albums/5831399570749921169?authkey=COmLzZr3vPmNigE you will

Re: Is that character *+A7AC LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SCRIPT G ?

2013-01-09 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 09/01/2013 13:32, Michael Everson a écrit : This example is obviously totally different, and too late to have any influence on the encoding, but I think it might interest some reader of this list. I don't see how it would influence the encoding. It's just more evidence of use in a

Re: Is that character *+A7AC LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SCRIPT G ?

2013-01-09 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 09/01/2013 16:34, Andreas Stötzner a écrit : As far as I know mathematicians do not always constrain themselves to established characters, but tend to invent new ones for their own convenience

Re: Is that character *+A7AC LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SCRIPT G ?

2013-01-09 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 09/01/2013 17:38, Andreas Stötzner a écrit : So the actual origin of that ›Capital script G‹ may well have been custom handwriting invention.

Re: Is that character *+A7AC LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SCRIPT G ?

2013-01-09 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 09/01/2013 18:07, Frédéric Grosshans a écrit : Le 09/01/2013 17:38, Andreas Stötzner a écrit : So the actual origin of that ›Capital script

Re: Q is a Roman numeral?

2013-01-08 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 08/01/2013 01:26, Ben Scarborough a écrit : This isn't directly related to Unicode, but I thought this would be a good place to ask. Specifically, I'm curious about figure 14 (Gordon 1982) from WG2 N3218 [http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/N3218.pdf], which says: Whereas our so-called

Re: Missing geometric shapes

2012-11-11 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 11/11/2012 23:08, Doug Ewell a écrit : Personal opinions follow. It looks like the only actual use case we have, exemplified by the xkcd strip, is for a star with the left half black and the right half white. There *might* also be a case for the left-white, right-black star. What is

Re: Missing geometric shapes

2012-11-08 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 08/11/2012 09:47, Michael Everson a écrit : I agree, and will write a proposal if anyone cares to send me examples of in-print usage. (XKCD's handwritten chart kind of doesn't count…) Except that the simple fact that a well known satirical comics like XKCD includes these half-stars in this

Re: Fwd: Mayan numerals

2012-09-26 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 24/09/2012 20:16, Jameson Quinn a écrit : (Resend; last time bounced due to photo attachment) So, I see that this thread is heating up again, and a progress report is in order. [...] I've looked around a bit at ancient uses, insofar as that's easily available on the web. * In

Re: Samogitian E with dot above and macron

2010-10-25 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
/named_sequences.html#3 and folllowing), but I'm not sure it has a big chance to stay. Frédéric -- Frédéric Grosshans Chargé de Recherche Laboratoire de Photonique Quantique et Moléculaire ENS Cachan / CNRS UMR 8437 tel: (+33)1 47 40 77 15 GSM: (+33)6 09 24 29 64 e-mail: frederic.grossh...@ens

Re: Telugu Unicode Encoding Review

2010-10-17 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n3116.pdf (which proposed 18 characters) . I have not looked close enough to check whether the 5 missing characters are linked to the one you consider as missing. Frédéric -- Frédéric Grosshans Chargé de Recherche Laboratoire de Photonique Quantique et Moléculaire ENS

Re: Creative people on Twitter

2010-10-13 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
apparently runs a filter and cuts off all characters above U+ a couple weeks after posting. Which would means that twitter does not want to archive emojis and some cantonese ideographs. That sounds strange. -- Frédéric Grosshans Chargé de Recherche Laboratoire de Photonique Quantique et

Free font with medievalist characters (was Re: Most complete (free) Chinese font?)

2010-08-02 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le dimanche 01 août 2010 à 08:03 -0300, Leonardo Boiko a écrit : Oh, it _is_ totally blocky, and will look terrible if scaled to anything other than its natural 16-pixel size. My point is, this is how it’s supposed to be, cause it’s a bitmapped, monospace terminal font. Like Terminus or

Re: UTS#10 (collation) : French backwards level 2, and word-breakers.

2010-07-30 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
here. The area around modèle and modelé (from model to modène), for example, seems more intersting to me. Of course, I know it's easy for me to say that without doing any work ! -- Frédéric Grosshans Chargé de Recherche Laboratoire de Photonique Quantique et Moléculaire ENS Cachan / CNRS UMR 8437

Re: UTS#10 (collation) : French backwards level 2, and word-breakers.

2010-07-30 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
christallérien Modèle climatique Modèle cognitif while my intuition would bring the modèle and modele together. I guess it's the order 2.3 of your technical note (but I'm not sure). I think the order 2.2 would still keep euè, which remains strange and close to unusable. Frédéric Grosshans PS

Re: Hexadecimal digits A-F

2010-06-09 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
occurs. Frédéric Grosshans