Mark,
You're right, ofcourse, and maybe I just overreacted.
Just summarized my argument in a personal mail to Eric, which I reproduce here:
Eric,
basically I think that LENR needs some crystalline structure of the
base-material (Ni, Pd,...) to start and be
to
be clear:
a) LENR is a real effect to me.
b) What I doubt are the claims of Rossi/DGT.
(a) should put the scientific community to shame and reconsider their methods.
(b) is a different animal: Pseudo-engineers, companies, speculators, phantasts
claiming that a midge is an elephant.
No need
A (psycho)analysis of Rossi/DGT or an exercise in the theory and practice of
(self-)deception.
There is some LENR effect, I am sure. This just as a disclaimer.
We all can bend spoons,right?,
But Uri Geller did it better.
Why?
He had a magic sauce.
Interestingly enough Feynman met Geller,
There are situation where comfortable doubt is just another delusion.
If you apply the same standard of proof to normal facts, nothing is proven.
LENR is real, so why apply the stupid exceptional evidence ?
good critics don't need exceptional bias.
the behavior of DGT is not coherent with
Alain,
... nothing is proven. ..
yes, ofcourse. this is the doubter's dilemma.
You cannot disprove the solipsist position, except applying -- and accepting --
a minimum of common sense.
It is the dose, which makes the poison, to cite Paracelsus.
wrt ...exceptional evidence ...
I do not use
What, pray tell, is the chemical that can bend spoons without eating the flesh
off your fingers? A quick google of the terms Geller Spoon Bending Chemical
revealed nothing. Many are so sure that Geller's spoon bending feat is a trick
(and I'm not saying that it's not), but they can't say how
In fact, and it is my own position, and I understand that some disagree,
For DGT I have passed the I cannot explain.
With my experience, my behavioral analysis of business, and various data
and analysis gathered, I can say that the positive outcome (at a few
details uncertain), is sure beyond the
Going further with the possibility that the Higgs field (HF) and the zero
point field (ZPF) are similar if not identical, being other names for
'aether' ... and in the sense of another dimension of space which always
interacts (props -up) 3-space to the extent of seeming to provide mass, we
must
Jojo,
rest assured that I deplore pathoskeptizism as much as You do.
But this does not make me change flags and join the other side.
This is just like in a war.
if You recognize that your party is wrong, You have two options:
a) change sides
b) be a pacifist
Pathoskeptics firmly belong to the
Alain,
You most probably make an error of judgement.
DGT up to now delivered 'facts' which I could assemble on a sunday afternoon
(like today).
Peter Gluck did a good job of briefing them, so at least they are coherent in
WHAT THEY SAY!
What they DO or HAVE is an another matter altogether.
Yes, 600c seems like an overstretch only because we do not understand what's
going on. Just like how Huzienga and Parks would think of Cold Fusion. They
don't understand it, so it is an overstretch.
However, Axil seems to have done a good job in stitching together a probable
explanation that
Jojo,
Maybe, maybe not.
Count me in the doubter's camp.
As I tried to explain: 400++ degC is a domain where recrystallization occurs.
this is not your comfortable home-temperature.
See 'the laws of recrystallization', subtopic -- Laws of recrystallization --
I undesrtand your reasoning, and from that point of view it is right.
the claims are claims.
but when someone own assets (reputation, investment, clients, ...) claims
have a concrete effect that varies depending on the future, in which they
have more data than us. Only them know if their claims
Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:
Also. Where is Mark Gibbs of Forbes?
When the body of evidence is larger than everWhy is Forbes silent???
. . .
There was no evidence presented at this conference, or by Rossi for that
matter, that was more convincing than the peer-reviewed
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
The 1 MW plant is on the market. If you want data, you need money.
You need $1.5 million. That is an absurd sum of money, and the 1 MW reactor
is an absurd machine. A single unit from it would suffice.
If I had $1.5 million I could probably try to replicate
Alain,
You again make a categorical error :
...DGT gave strong signal...
I do not care about 'signals' unchecked.
Only if they are verified by MY or other trustable person's experience, and
cross-checked again by my humble common sense.
As Korzybski said: The map is not the territory
--
Yep,
this seems like a benign description of what is going on.
I hypothesize that Rossi inhabits his own world, which is in conflict with ours.
As such it is backed by its own 'reality', which maybe coexists with ours. Or
not.
See eg Philip K Dick, who believed in a world where time is
And yet Brillouin Energy‘s President and Chief Technical Officer Robert E.
Godes has selflessly posted critical help on Rossi's web site that has
enabled Rossi to develop his latest reaction approach; and Rossi was
grateful for it. The same is true for the advice he got from NI and his
first
At 10:13 AM 7/8/2012, Guenter Wildgruber wrote:
To repeat: I think, as a matter of fact, that LENR is real, but not
nearly as far to commercial application as Rossi/DGT claim.
Two entirely separate issues here, though, of course, the second
depends on the first.
LENR is real, there is
From Axil:
...
Since you [Jed] know him so well, please explain this dichotomy
in rossi's relationships with people; what makes a person
a snake and a clown and what makes a person a valuable friend.
A razor's edge.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
And yet Brillouin Energy‘s President and Chief Technical Officer Robert E.
Godes has selflessly posted critical help on Rossi's web site that has
enabled Rossi to develop his latest reaction approach; and Rossi was
grateful for it. The same is true for the
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
Since you [Jed] know him so well, please explain this dichotomy
in rossi's relationships with people; what makes a person
a snake and a clown and what makes a person a valuable friend.
A razor's edge.
Exactly!
It might
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com
wrote:
As I tried to explain: 400++ degC is a domain where recrystallization
occurs. this is not your comfortable home-temperature.
See 'the laws of recrystallization', subtopic -- Laws of
recrystallization --
In a business setting I would say the operative word is ally rather than friend.
Harry
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
Since you [Jed] know him so well, please explain this dichotomy
He is an impressive businessman and a brilliant engineer and inventor.
At this point I will agree with inventor. I am anxiously waiting to see
independent results of what has been invented and whether I will be
impressed with his business and technical acumen.
I do credit him with taking a
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
At this point I will agree with inventor. I am anxiously waiting to see
independent results of what has been invented and whether I will be
impressed with his business and technical acumen.
In his previous ventures he showed a lot of business and
I read a fascinating article and paper recently:
Research Reveals Why Spammers Claim They're Nigerian
A new paper claims obvious spam email is used to weed out all but the most
gullible people online.
I guess those previous successes were pre-petroldragan and those thermo
electric generators from Leonardo since I would not consider those wildly
successful ventures.
What I would like to believe about Rossi is that through his previous
losses he realized they can take it all away but you still
Jed sed:
...
When I read this, I could not at first think of why it
bothered me. Then I realized. I have often said that Rossi
could not be a con-man because he inspires no confidence.
On the contrary, he makes most people I know want to run
for the exits. Now I wonder . . . could it be
In discussing Rossi's prey, it may be germaine to look back at this
statement, from a PetrolDragon contemporary, in The Magic of Mr. Rossi:
Acerbi: “In the years where he was working here, he didn’t produce a single
drop of oil, as far as we know. What he did was creating just a media event. He
*Jed said:*
**
*He also got himself into enormous trouble several times. He takes great
risks, sometimes for no reason it seems to me. Such as when he made the 1
MW reactor. I cannot understand him! He is the most baffling person I have
ever encountered.*
**
*Axil said:*
So soon you forget.
I wrote:
I would be surprised if the answer to the second question [Is it possible
under any circumstance for an NiH system to operate at or above 600 C?] were
unequivocally negative; it is possible to think up scenarios in which the
nuclear active environment rarely reaches the melting point
Guenter, once again I believe you missed the point. I thought I did a good job
in explaining in the last post, but apparently I did not. So let me try again.
You only have the 400C recrystallization issue or the Curie Point issue or any
other temp-limiting issue if your NAE is Nickel Lattice
Rossi was able to convince technicians in the field, scientists and
important institutions because the technology was real. There is in fact a
gasification technology in existence today that can turn waste into
Synthesis Gas which can be made into Biofuel and mixed with Gasoline.
A few years
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