In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 18 Jul 2012 00:05:18 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Did you ever think about all the people who make a living in the energy
business? All of todays energy workers: the coal miners, oil workers, gas
station attendants, gas drillers, pipeline workers, sycophant
In reply to Peter Gluck's message of Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:39:41 +0300:
Hi,
[snip]
The team is working very hard on this and they will publih the data soon. I
have noticed your wish and will try to let you know at least the spirit
of the results- they say about the first real theory.
Peter
LENR will not kill jobs by itself, and robots will be even more needed for
more expensive energy sources like wind turbines... that is not specific to
LENR.
The more expensive it is, the more the automation is needed.
as any productivity increase it will challenge the social organization,
whether
about danger I notice in wikipedia the following facts for 30-500keV
The most biological damaging forms of gamma radiation occur in the gamma
ray
windowhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gamma_ray_windowaction=editredlink=1,
between 3 and 10 MeV, so we are ut of the worst danger zone
The
In an earlier post I speculated on the possibility of a current of
electrons flowing along a hollow, superconducting wire inducing a current
of protons within the wire (via Lenz's law, although I did not know that
this was what I was invoking). I have since read descriptions to the
effect that
Understood. You have the right to be wrong. :-)
One thing you can do to convince yourself. See if you can find a glow plug for
any purpose that looks like what you saw in those pictures. See if you can
find a glow plug with a white heating end.
$100 says you can't find a glow plug that
Sorry. Double Post. I did not mean to repost this since I've already said it.
This is the BS of this retrograde Mailing System. If this were a forum, I
could have simply edited the post or deleted it. This email explaining that I
double posted should have been unneccesary.
Jojo
LENR will make jobs mostly uneeded. That's simple. You can have a closed
structure to make crops and get you food for free. If you want any luxury,
just some freelance will make the required money.
Did anybody watch this last night?
Was it just a rehatch or any new stuff?
Or did everyone sign an NDA and can't say anything...
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:
I live in
Eric,
Yes, that happens. So do various other wire deformations. See -
Stability of Metal Nanowires at Ultrahigh Current Densities
http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0411058
The authors have other papers on the topic. You can find them by clicking
on their names.
I am also interested in how much
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
LENR will kill jobs by the millions. The LENR production factory will be
completely automated. Only robots will populate these places.
True.
The sales of products will be done on Amazon.com.
I doubt that. I think most cold fusion devices will be built
Ah! It's soapbox time! Let me step on top of mine!
I suspect that if the prospects of robotics and LENR, or one of the
LENR cousins, pans out in the near future the concept of what money
represents to individuals, companies, and government circles will also
have to evolve with the times. Perhaps
Yep, it was a rerun of the April 2009 program with a 10 second 'update' made
at the end of the segment.. The 'update' was (paraphrasing):
Dr. Duncan and 8 scientists at the University of Missouri are working to
understand the processes involved.
-Mark
From: Chemical Engineer
These plutocrats will strongly resist their fall from power; maintaining
their position is their agenda. And how can economics functions without
money? I will all be interesting to watch.
Cheers: Axil
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
There was nothing there to awaken the sleeping giant.
Cheers: Axil
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote:
Yep, it was a rerun of the April 2009 program with a 10 second ‘update’
made at the end of the segment…. The ‘update’ was (paraphrasing):
This is an interesting thing, which I also thought about some time ago, I
also think z-pinch is involved. Even more, the extreme pressure could cause
the formation of metallic hydrogen, an allotrope of hydrogen, (diamond and
graphite are allotropes of carbon) ich is conjectured to be
just to guive data
I've made some quick computation
http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=3t=27p=1139#p1139
since energy is $5-7Tn and GDP is $70Tn, the potential saving on energy is
around 10%,
that you can interpret as productivity increase.
The replacement of world energy source is estimated
For those unfamiliar with backup generators let me explain this comment .
. . in the first world you need to tie a generator into the house wiring,
so you need an electrician. You do not actually need to do this, but it is
a good idea. It is easier and cheaper than it used to be.
My sister lives
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
It will be important shock, but not so huge. at most 10%
of course you can expect that the technology will become even cheaper, but
even if LENR get to zero, the turbines, cooling and alike will stay as
expensive (and I have under estimated their
I do not think this message went through . . .
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com mailto:janap...@gmail.com wrote:
LENR will kill jobs by the millions. The LENR production factory
will be completely automated. Only robots will populate these places.
True.
The sales of products will be
LENR will create lots of new products and create industries where there are
none today.
Money is just a vehicle for goods and services to change hands and as long
as capitalism remains that won't change.
Just cooling off the oceans and removing CO2 from the atmosphere will be
one new industry...
Alain wrote:
since energy is $5-7Tn and GDP is $70Tn, the potential saving on energy is
around 10%
maybe I miss the point?
Did you consider the following???
Energy is to economies as physics is to science. it is FUNDAMENTAL, and
everything is built on top of it. A significant change to a
Greetings Vortex,
IF anyone wished to leave a comment on CNBC Facebook concerning the Cold
Fusion Program:
http://www.facebook.com/cnbcsmart
Ron Kita, Chiralex
I have posted a few comments on an update.
Long term deflation?
Harry
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:23 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Alain wrote:
“since energy is $5-7Tn and GDP is $70Tn, the potential saving on energy is
around 10%”
“maybe I miss the point?”
Did you consider the following???
Energy is to
The flame of capitalism will be extinguished by sustained deflation.
harry
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Long term deflation?
Harry
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:23 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
wrote:
Alain wrote:
“since energy is
Tell your sister she can back feed the power panel with a double plug
extension cord. Be sure to open all the breakers first, especially
the main. Wired generators should have an interlock between the gen
and the main to avoid back feeding the distribution transformer and
possibility killing a
In order to keep the flame of capitalism burning the deflation will
need to be counteracted with inflationary measures.
Harry
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
The flame of capitalism will be extinguished by sustained deflation.
harry
On Wed, Jul 18,
In order to keep the flame of capitalism burning the deflation will
need to be counteracted with inflationary measures.
Harry
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
The flame of capitalism will be extinguished by sustained deflation.
harry
On Wed, Jul 18,
Deflation is a concept based on the money supply, as it chases goods and
services.
If the money supply is constant and the goods and services chased increase,
prices deflate. If the money supply is constant and the goods and services
decrease, prices inflate.
If you change the money supply
I hope so, and I feel that today energy cost is felt as a master parameter.
It is just that it seems that it is only 10% of the produced good value...
It is just a confilt between what my eyes see, and what the consensus seems
to be... In that domain my intuition is not good enough to have a
Much of our quality of life in the developed world has been enchanced
tremendously due to fossil fuel usage:
Fossil fuels, such as coal, natural gas, and oil, were not used as a source
of energy until the latter half of the 19th century. Prior to that, wind
and water power were used for
See:
http://coldfusionnow.org/cold-fusion-symposium-at-williamsburg-lenrs-12-1-3-july-2012/
In any event, the current notion of austerity is nonsense and is tied to
a tired and outdated concept that money is real or has some intrinsic
real value which it doesn't. Austerity = Stupidity and I think every so
often we as a society have to go through stretches of it before we
remember
Interesting idea. Are you thinking of the protons being ejected from the CNT
like toothpaste as the outer surface is compressed?
I assume you are referring to the large current as being a large time changing
current instead of a DC one.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker
No, not like a toothpaste, nothing expelled. Compress, as an extremely
strong anvil, a pressure of 10 million bar. Such pressure is only possible
in planets with higher masses than Neptune. It really doesn't matter if it
is continuous or not. For the purpose of the collapse, which should be
I must be confused about the process. Daniel, are you suggesting that the
pressure of 10 million bars is going to cause the hydrogen within the tube to
fuse? I was thinking more of the case where the fusion was with a nickel atom.
Perhaps it is hydrogen fusing with hydrogen within the CNT.
No! That pressure is still too low to achieve fusion. You'd need 10^4 more.
That's what is required to achieve the metallic hydrogen, stable and
superconductive at room temperature, up to ~700K. The TSC is a self
compressive molecule of hydrogen, in tetrahedral form. It self compresses
until it
The proton-proton reaction is fundamental to the way stars such as the sun
operate since most of the material drawn together from the space nearby is raw
hydrogen with no neutrons. It is interesting to notice that there is a lack of
neutrons available in the initial stages. Your point is
You mention small spots of superconductivity. Does that suggest that each tiny
metallic hydrogen group must maintain its conductivity separate from the
others? Why are they not able to contact each other to result in much lower
overall resistance?
Dave
-Original Message-
From:
according to http://lenrnews.eu/?p=113, DGTG is considering to leave Greece.
Source is unclear and we are used to better English from Xanthoulis.
Maybe this is a translation by someone from a Greek letter.
Andre
Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
In any event, the current notion of austerity is nonsense and is tied to a
tired and outdated concept that money is real or has some intrinsic real
value which it doesn't. Austerity = Stupidity . . .
I know little about economics, but I agree. It
On 2012-07-18 23:01, Andre Blum wrote:
according to http://lenrnews.eu/?p=113, DGTG is considering to leave
Greece.
Source is unclear and we are used to better English from Xanthoulis.
Maybe this is a translation by someone from a Greek letter.
Wording aside (it appears it's a translation
Jed,
...This is a nuclear reactor...
we do not differ by much.
This (non)-demonstration would show how far they are wrt regulations.
Not far, I guess.
The regulatory procedures are quite different in say 100 countries, 30 of them
maybe akin to 'first world'.
Who does it?
DGTG?
Probably not, up
Seems to me, Peter Gluck may be the one to ask.
- Original Message -
From: Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)
On 2012-07-18 23:01, Andre Blum wrote:
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
To put it bluntly, it looks like a last call for potential investors,
implicitly urging them to hurry and take advantage of this opportunity
before DGTG will go elsewhere.
This statement gives me a bad impression as well, for two reasons:
1.
If DGT really had a reactor that is close to commercialization; that produce
commercial level power and temps, don't you think people will rush to
license their technology.
What happened to those groups that tested the reactor. Why aren't they
rushing to invest? Xanthoulis' statement seems
Jed, on your point 2 -- to me they seem not be saying they base their
claims on the cold fusion experiments of others. They said NASA, US Navy,
publicly traded companies from America, Canada, Germany and England and
universities abroad* have visited us and have turned their attention to our
Frank Acland ecatwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed, on your point 2 -- to me they seem not be saying they base their
claims on the cold fusion experiments of others. They said NASA, US Navy,
publicly traded companies from America, Canada, Germany and England and
universities abroad* have visited us
Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
My conclusion is: This company is getting ready to abscond. Correct me if
I'm wrong and argue from facts, not opinion. I am willing to be wrong
about this.
No one outside the company can know whether you are right or wrong. None of
us has any facts to go
I have to question their earlier statements that they have hundreds of
investors in as many countries. Why do they not have sufficient funds if this
is true? Something is rotten in the state of (fill in the state). Someone
correct me if I have their statement mixed up with another entity.
Just tell Defkalion to setup a US Company of which the Greek company will
be a subsidiary, call Stephen Chu and apply to the US Dept of Energy for a
$1.6B loan guarantee for independent green power production in California
(equivalent to 40, $40M license agreements). Spend at least 5% of that
How much longer can this continue until there is some proper 3rd party validation.
Original Message
Subject: Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
Date: Thu, July 19, 2012 10:03 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
I have to question
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote:
How much longer can this continue until there is some proper 3rd party
validation.
Until Standard Oil of NJ approves. :-)
T
Yes, for the 1st question. To the second question, there is nothing against
it, but a a pinch is rare occurrence, so, it is unlike that they will
happen all close to each other.
Small clusters are in general less bound than lattices. Metallic hydrogen
is less bound. So, after you form these nano
*Metallic hydrogen is even less stable than usual metallic bounds.
2012/7/18 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
*Metallic hydrogen is less bound.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
Is a hydrogen pinch equivalent to a bubble collapse in the Leclair
cavitation fusion? Two glasses of wine led me to that conclusion.
On Wednesday, July 18, 2012, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Yes, for the 1st question. To the second question, there is nothing
against it, but a a pinch is rare
They are still busy deciding on the electric car's future...
On Wednesday, July 18, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Craig Brown
cr...@overunity.cojavascript:;
wrote:
How much longer can this continue until there is some proper 3rd party
validation.
Until
Not sure about Leclair. In that case, the excess power could be due to a
reduced resistance of the liquid. Cavitation creates bubbles of vapor that
might decrease the shear of the flux layers in the pipes.
I think it is more likely to be related to sonofusion:
Leclair claims it is the collapsing of the bubbles (created in his case by
cavitation from an impeller or laser) that triggers the fusion so I think
the end result is the same as in sonofusion. I think we should all share
the nobel prize, next problem?
On Wednesday, July 18, 2012, Daniel Rocha
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:14 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Are you considering an additional fusion reaction to follow up on the
initial one discussed to use the hydrogen fuel more efficiently? If there
is anyway to end up with helium 4, that problem would vaporize.
That's
Cavitation is common in very turbulent streams, there are indeed some
reasonable qualitative explanations for it.
http://www.turbulence-online.com/Publications/Journal_Papers/Papers/AG78.pdf
Sonofusion is a bit different. It might involve the high pressures, not
sure how high. But the
Bubbles feel the heat
Mar 3, 2005
Physicists have seen a region of plasma in a single-bubble sonoluminescence
experiment for the first time. They have also found that the temperature
inside the bubble can reach up to 20,000 K (D Flannigan and K Suslick 2005 *
Nature* *434*52).
20,000 K seems
That would be a good plan to end up with helium 4. The binding energy released
once you get to that element is enormous.
The proton-proton reaction does not leave me with too much concern since the
strong nuclear force is far dominate over the coulomb force. The only reason
that I see for a
For hot fusion, what is needed is 100 million K! 20K is only 2eV. It
doesn't even ionize H properly.
2012/7/19 Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com
Bubbles feel the heat
Mar 3, 2005
Physicists have seen a region of plasma in a single-bubble
sonoluminescence experiment for the first time.
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Interesting idea. Are you thinking of the protons being ejected from the
CNT like toothpaste as the outer surface is compressed?
I assume you are referring to the large current as being a large time
changing current
Ok, I am off by the normal amount that Rossi is, and people still believe
him!
On Wednesday, July 18, 2012, Daniel Rocha wrote:
For hot fusion, what is needed is 100 million K! 20K is only 2eV. It
doesn't even ionize H properly.
2012/7/19 Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com
I rather believe in you! Not Rossi :)
2012/7/19 Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com
Ok, I am off by the normal amount that Rossi is, and people still believe
him!
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
I think the smallest CNT cannot do it, but a small cavity of 0.8nm within a
lattice, with a few dozens of H can do it. 10 million bars is not out of
the realm o chemical energy if you synchronize the movement a few
hundreds of Ni atoms, to compress that cavity.
2012/7/19 Eric Walker
I wrote:
But when it appears, you would get a z-pinch effect, as happens in a
lightening rod, and the walls of the containing wire would violently
collapse in on the cavity. What happens to a lightening rod is fairly
dramatic:
What you have is a resonant cavity, with phonons. The compression will be
done by mechanic waves, coupled with EM waves. The infrared waves are 4
order of magnitude bigger than the cavity. So, you could have quite a few
billion of atoms in phase due the relatively large infrared waves.
2012/7/19
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