RE: [Vo]:Question Concerning Celani's Charts

2012-09-18 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
Dave, Could it be explained by sintering effect of nano particles ? After cooling, the inactive wire resistance drop of approximately 0.03 from the before calibration situation. That's why Celani didn't try the 48W on its active wire. Arnaud _ From: David Roberson

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2012-09-18 Thread John Steck

Re: [Vo]:Question Concerning Celani's Charts

2012-09-18 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
The calibration wire is just a nichrome wire, or so it says on the slide. Nothing was said about doing any special processing on this wire. There's something else weird about the slide. The last bullet at bottom says the R/R0, of both wires, just slightly increased (as expected), increasing the

Re: [Vo]:Question Concerning Celani's Charts

2012-09-18 Thread arnaud . kodeck
Jeff, At the jump from 15W to 30W heat power of the active wire, look precisely at the power applied to the wire. The power went above 30W for a few samples (How many seconds ?). So the wire temperature went above the equilibrium temperature for 30W. After the exact 30W was applied, the

[Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Is this the first paper in which one group has reported100% success in multiple tests (over 150)? http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Godes-Controlled-Electron-Capture-Paper.pdf (I'm using that link because it's in the wired article). (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the

Re: [Vo]:Question Concerning Celani's Charts

2012-09-18 Thread David Roberson
That might be an explanation for the problem Arnaud. But why did he not do another re calibration with the changed wire so that it made sense? All the remainder of the tests were conducted with the 48 watt drive power level so he could have given us a good reference. I also was wondering if

[Vo]:Wiki editing, 9-11 - how did this get thru?

2012-09-18 Thread Jones Beene
Put on your Tin-foil hats ... This may or may not be off-topic... aside from a possible nano-thermite connection to LENR (as one of the few chemical reactions which release soft x-rays) but it is timely. It would have been more timely one week ago on 9-11, but nevertheless Let me fist add

Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia E-Cat article for deletion : KEEP

2012-09-18 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:06 AM 9/13/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Energy_Catalyzer_(2nd_nomination)#Energy_Catalyzer It survived deletion, despite complaints that: Off wiki mailing list by Alanf777, Zedshort and others here: (vortex) which seems to

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Is this the first paper in which one group has reported100% success in multiple tests (over 150)? Yup, it may be. I do not recall seeing such a high success rate before. There may have been a few poorly documented reports of 100% success that I suspected

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread Mark Gibbs
If the Godes/McKubre system has 100% reproducibility why isn't it the poster child for CF/LENR?! And why hasn't the CF/LENR research community exhaustively investigated the system and built working models that would show, irrefutably, that CF/LENR is real? In following this list I've read about

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: If the Godes/McKubre system has 100% reproducibility why isn't it the poster child for CF/LENR?! Because it just happened. They only began this work 6 months or a year ago as I recall, and this is the first paper. The official collaboration with SRI just

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
By the way, those 150 tests were not conducted at SRI. SRI cannot yet officially put their seal of approval on them, although they do say they have confidence in the work. That's what McKubre told me. Tests of this system will soon begin at SRI. It is not shocking to me that something like this

[Vo]:Papp engine = gravitational flucuation?

2012-09-18 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Got a question on my blog Papps Noble Gas engine http://froarty.scienceblog.com/32178/32178/#comments From Norberthttp://hardsoftlucid.wordpress.com on September 15, 2012 at 7:18 pmhttp://froarty.scienceblog.com/32178/32178/#comment-423 Does the engine also create small gravitational

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread fznidarsic
I asked Storms twice years ago, Does RF stimulation do any good? His answers was, We tried it and it did not work! In that there is a controversy. Frank -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Sep 18, 2012 2:04 pm

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread fznidarsic
If we have learned anything from Griggs, Rossi, and Myers its that the power contained in electrical pulses is difficult to measure. Frank -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Sep 18, 2012 2:04 pm Subject: Re:

RE: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Mark Gibbs asks rather impatiently, Can anyone explain why this system isn't being refined and promoted at the very least as proof of CF/LENR? Very simply and obvious reasons. lack of details of exactly how, and patent infringement! The testing at SRI is getting underway and hopefully will

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread Mark Gibbs
How disappointing. Once again, it looks like yet more jam tomorrow. So, there aren't enough details in the paper for you chaps to theorize what the actual physical test set up consisted of? Anyone care to take a WAG at it? Also, it's odd that other than in the paper's URL on

Re: [Vo]:Papp engine = gravitational flucuation?

2012-09-18 Thread ChemE Stewart
Gravitons (spin 2 bosons) released from atomic collapse/evaporation On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: *Got a question on my blog Papps Noble Gas engine** * http://froarty.scienceblog.com/32178/32178/#comments ** ** ** From Norbert

RE: [Vo]:Question Concerning Celani's Charts

2012-09-18 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
Dave, Which wire are talking about for the re calibration ? The Number #1 which has been destroyed (at least cut) ? Celani doesn't need a new calibration to go further in its investigations. Only for reporting the re calbration is useful. In my point of view, the temperature of the active wire

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: How disappointing. Once again, it looks like yet more jam tomorrow. It takes a long time to do research. Months and months to set up an experiment. You have to live with that. It is like building a house with 2 or 3 people, or writing a million-line computer

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread Axil Axil
In order to be commercially viable, the Godes reactor must move to a high temperature hydrogen gas phase reactor. If enough RD funding is available to do this, why go public. A few months ago, Godes went public when he needed more RD funds. This strategy worked and he got the additional funding

Re: [Vo]:Question Concerning Celani's Charts

2012-09-18 Thread David Roberson
Arnaud, I was complaining about the lack of calibration, but realize it is too late for this particular wire set. It just seemed logical to me that they would have immediately completed a re calibration after seeing the bad data from the first pass. We agree that the wire temperature is

Re: [Vo]:Question Concerning Celani's Charts

2012-09-18 Thread David Roberson
I see what you refer to Jeff. And if you look at the behavior for the 15 watt power level just prior to that point you notice that the R/R0 is slowly rising at about the same rate. It suggests that it wants a power level of the average of these two or 22.5 watts to be flat! If we consider

Re: [Vo]:fission question

2012-09-18 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:01:00 -0700: Hi, [snip] Possibly, which is why I tried to word my response cautiously rather than emphatically. ;) IOW there may be some target isotopes where this is the case, and I'm not sure whether or not 232Th would be one of them.

RE: [Vo]:Question Concerning Celani's Charts

2012-09-18 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
We agree that the wire temperature is likely the most important factor, but I hold the thought that the dissociation of the molecular hydrogen is possibly bound with the gas temperature. The energy required to break the bond must come from somewhere. Take a look at Celani's charts for deuterium

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread David Roberson
As Jed says, there are not enough resources directed toward the field. I am currently reviewing Celani's device since he has published a reasonable document and data. I hope to mine that for as much knowledge as possible before moving on. Perhaps information will become available concerning

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: If you had any idea how difficult it is, you would be amazed at how quickly they do it, and how much progress they have made. . . . Setting up and running an experiment is painstaking, time consuming work. You can see what I mean in these photos of Celani's demonstration

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread Ruby
Mark, I did this QA with Robert Godes July a year ago. I had already spoke with him one-on-one in an interview I could not publish about early January 2011 (before the Rossi demo). Though the electrolytic cell generated a small COP, he had 100% reproducibility then, turning on and off

Re: [Vo]:free energy rap

2012-09-18 Thread Ruby
We need all segments of society to get behind new energy. As this becomes more known, the political class will start making lots of rules and regulations. If the public is not aware, they will be denied this technology by the regulators. For young people, reading is not the dominant form of

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Ruby r...@hush.com wrote: *One possible private donor seeking a technical evaluation was informed by a **National Science Foundation** member (whose review entailed “a quick scan” of the Brillouin Energy website) that it was “quite possible they had created the ‘instant death’ version of

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
I read Mr. Godes paper the day it appeared on the New Energy Times site (I think that was back in July?). I immediately had the feeling it was important. At the same time, the word proprietary appears six times. It seems clear that Mr. Godes believes the road to progress is a working device, not

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread Mark Gibbs
Thanks, Ruby ... Jed just asked the same question I was going to ask ... [mg] On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Ruby r...@hush.com wrote: *One possible private donor seeking a technical evaluation was informed by a **National Science Foundation**

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread Ruby
Yes, that's what they meant; the idea being, if it was really fusion, there would be deadly radiation that would have killed everyone around. In addition, if it /were/ to be true, in the hands of the wrong people could be dangerous for our planet. My next paragraph in the article was:

[Vo]:question about passive solar heat

2012-09-18 Thread fznidarsic
I know of a few locations where it would be nice to have passive solar hot water in the summer. I have noted that a black garden hose in the sun produces hot water. The hose could be placed on a roof. The problem is getting this heat into a storage tank passively. The hot water tank would

Re: [Vo]:question about passive solar heat

2012-09-18 Thread Mark Gibbs
How about keeping the tank on the roof and using a thermosiphon [1] or, better still, a passive vapor heat pipe [2] to transfer heat to the tank from a collector below? The height difference between the collector and the tank would only have to be a foot or two and you'd want the tank on the roof

[Vo]:Cold Fusion Now website temporarily unavailable

2012-09-18 Thread Ruby
Cold Fusion Now website is temporarily unavailable as we are changing hosting services. If you are trying to acccess the link I posted about Brillouin Energy, you will not be able to see it at this time. I'm not sure how long it will be down, but if all goes smoothly (ha!), it shouldn't

Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-18 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Godes probably wouldn't agree. Fwiw, he seems to be an advocate of an electron capture kind of hypothesis as opposed to a fusion kind of hypothesis. Electron capture hypotheses roughly substitute the miracle of coming up with a missing ~0.8MeV (along with some quantum mumbo jumbo) for the miracle

RE: [Vo]:question about passive solar heat

2012-09-18 Thread Jones Beene
Is there any fluid that sinks when heated? Frank Znidarsic Doubt it since it would hint at suppressed vibrational modes - OTOH - there is one candidate that I know of - a complex sugar molecule that turns solid on heating, and then reverts to liquid on cooling.

Re: [Vo]:In unity there is strength

2012-09-18 Thread ChemE Stewart
All sounds good, but maybe their wire keeps breaking... On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The technologies of Godes, PDGTG, Rossi and Celani will all be well served if they converged. To start off with, Godes should distress the surface of his wire to take

Re: [Vo]:question about passive solar heat

2012-09-18 Thread mixent
In reply to fznidar...@aol.com's message of Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:42:46 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] I know of a few locations where it would be nice to have passive solar hot water in the summer. I have noted that a black garden hose in the sun produces hot water. The hose could be placed on a

RE: [Vo]:question about passive solar heat

2012-09-18 Thread Jones Beene
Frank, The problem is getting this heat into a storage tank passively. The hot water tank would have to be mounted higher than the hose. I would like to employ the ordinary basement hot water tank. Hot water rises and will not go down to the basement tank. Here is an idea for a system where

Re: [Vo]:question about passive solar heat

2012-09-18 Thread fznidarsic
Thanks all. The sugar thing might work in some kind of heat pipe. I am looking for an cheep solution with a hose and an existing hot water tank. A tee in the drain line of the tank that then proceeds out the cellar door with a 1/2 white and 1/2 black circulating loop would work. I don't like

Fwd: [Vo]:question about passive solar heat

2012-09-18 Thread fznidarsic
What about this? I run a black and white hose up the sunny side of the house from the basement. The bottom of the circulating loop is lower than the tank. I splice the bottom of the loop in with a T that connects to the tank drain. Frank