Re: [Vo]:Rewind

Rocket launch play backwards. https://youtu.be/dGf4iXK95SY Harry

Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 10:32 PM, Vibrator ! wrote: > That's conflating relativistic mass with rest mass. I know the conclusion > that potential energy raises a system's mass is commonly accepted as an > inevitable implication of GR, but it's one frought with pitfalls: > >

Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

>From a static observer's POV, such a craft would be able to gain more KE than the PE it was provided with. So spacetime would have to be positively contributing energy, rather than the craft simply swimming in quantum goo. On board the craft, CoE holds - the correct amount of work is being

Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

That's conflating relativistic mass with rest mass. I know the conclusion that potential energy raises a system's mass is commonly accepted as an inevitable implication of GR, but it's one frought with pitfalls: For instance, i dig a 1 meter-deep hole next to a 1 kg mass, at 1 G the system now

Re: [Vo]:Rewind

I wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q2XXeasAA > No machine can do this, but then again must cause and effect respect > mechanical laws? Suppose you lived in a "rewind universe" where what you see in the video is just normal behaviour and the laws of mechanics were unknown. At first I

Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

But as already noted, gyroscopes (rotating bodies generally) and the magnetic field (as evinced by Faraday's spinning inductor paradox) also have their own unique frames (classically, the "outermost sphere of fixed stars") - and they're not warp bubbles!? A warp bubble is specifically a

Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

The problem in trying to tap spin is that it's an elementary, higher-dimensional construct.. for instance a full rotation of a half-spin particle requires 720°... so it's quite unlike the mechanical property. And while we can spin off quasi particles such as spinons or polaritons etc., these are

Re: [Vo]: EM Drive(s)

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Bob Higgins wrote: My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that the thrust Shawyer > calculates and measures from his devices is several orders of magnitude > higher than what could be obtained from photon radiation recoil - even if

Re: [Vo]:NY Times, "How Saudi Arabia Turned Its Greatest Weapon on Itself"

Hi all In reply to Jed Rothwell. The 15% Figure is the maximum value of oil in post fossil fuel age and the $1 value is what they stated they are willing to go to. The reality of the future market price is between the two. Factors that will affect the price of oil including allowing or causing

Re: [Vo]:Bacteria able to eat plastic bottles discovered by scientists

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Russ George wrote: How about a simple verbal explanation as opposed to movies… few of us open > movies posted in the wild on the net, it’s rather like poking at a mangy > looking sleeping dog one comes across. > Frank is welcome to send a

Re: [Vo]: EM Drive(s)

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Russ George wrote: Your understanding is correct, the thrust observed is far from that > possible due to photon radiation recoil. That’s a bogus strawman lure cast > up from under the bridge. > Please explain how a thought experiment is a

Fwd: [Vo]:Bacteria able to eat plastic bottles discovered by scientists

Pet plastic depolarizes a beam of polarized light. How is that for a simple explanation. Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:NY Times, "How Saudi Arabia Turned Its Greatest Weapon on Itself"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/08/06/the-looming-bankruptcy-of-saudi-arabia/#74ea1456eee2 https://youtu.be/Jkqb4bUgJ9c On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Ian Walker wrote: > > >> So oil will drop to 15% of its

Re: [Vo]:Quantum Spin Liquids and Kagome Space-Time Structures

The ability to control spin of photons is at the heart if the LENR mechanism. The concentration and focusing of the spin of many photons produces monopole flux tubes that interfere with the strong force which is a monopole based interaction between quarks which are really monopoles themselves.

Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

Or maybe the inventor was Puthoff. I think the Puthoff measured the velocity of the projected gravity pulse at a velocity greater than the speed of light. At the report of that experiment I wondered if the expansion of the Universe could be related to the speed of the gravity pulse that, I

[Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

The anti gravity devices that have been described, including those that can project gravity impulses at more than the speed of light, should not be forgotten. I think its inventor was named Podkletnov. From: Russ George Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 10:00 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject:

Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

Bob, Now I see what you are suggesting and I agree with you 100%. Two equal but opposite sources of angular momentum can combine together with a net of zero angular momentum, which is actually what existed mathematically in the closed system before they joined. However, the rotational

[Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

Dave-- As I understand, the minimum spin quanta applies to transitions in all coherent systems. I am suggesting that there may be a conversion of spin energy with its angular momentum to pure energy with no residual angular momentum. That could be the case if two spinors with equal and

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

I wrote: > Another interpretation regarding the EmDrive is that the thrust is > real but the effect (for whatever reason) requires an external source > of electricity. On the plus side the thrust could not be explained > away as an artifact of the electrical forces between the input wires, > but

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

On Tues 3/15/2016 Jones Beene said [snip] Shawyer claims that a standing wave interference pattern is created by geometry, operating frequency path lengths. And he claims that “stress energy of space” is altered by the interference pattern. That sounds a lot like aether.[/snip] I

Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Russ George wrote: I believe that anyone with eyes and experience can see in the many EM drive > reports the apparent evidence for the absence of emissions inside and > outside of the microwave spectrum of the several EM drives that have

[Vo]:portrait of the coming LENR diplomats

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/03/mar-15-2016-portrait-of-lenr-diplomat.html They will have a lot to do! -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]: EM Drive(s)

Your understanding is correct, the thrust observed is far from that possible due to photon radiation recoil. That’s a bogus strawman lure cast up from under the bridge. The higher Q = higher thrust prediction is long standing, easily/readily testable, and presumably Shawyer and others have done

[Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

RE: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)Jones-- I do not have a reference to the entire book edited by Vonsovskii. However, I would think that spin waves would have mass, since they have some energy associated with them. I would like to get a free library reference to the book. It may be in Jed collection.

RE: [Vo]:Bacteria able to eat plastic bottles discovered by scientists

How about a simple verbal explanation as opposed to movies… few of us open movies posted in the wild on the net, it’s rather like poking at a mangy looking sleeping dog one comes across. From: Frank Znidarsic [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 10:11 AM To:

Fwd: [Vo]:Bacteria able to eat plastic bottles discovered by scientists

Try again on this link somehow its coming out wrong. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/operation.wmv Frank Z

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

Another interpretation regarding the EmDrive is that the thrust is real but the effect (for whatever reason) requires an external source of electricity. On the plus side the thrust could not be explained away as an artifact of the electrical forces between the input wires, but on the down side it

[Vo]:Quantum Spin Liquids and Kagome Space-Time Structures

Greetings Vortex-L, Interesting material BUT there is also a link to Space-time with Kagome Lattices: http://phys.org/news/2016-03-quest-liquids.html A google of Kagome Lattice and Space-Time: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%22kagome+lattice%22+%22space+time%22 Ad astra, Ron Kita,

RE: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

I believe that anyone with eyes and experience can see in the many EM drive reports the apparent evidence for the absence of emissions inside and outside of the microwave spectrum of the several EM drives that have been widely reported on. There is no joy in beating the fantasy strawman to

Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

Bob, I agree that It becomes difficult to relate to real life when one discusses rotational energy as you seem to imply. In classical physical systems it is not too difficult to convert linear kinetic energy into rotational energy. Of course the total closed system linear momentum and

[Vo]: EM Drive(s)

My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that the thrust Shawyer calculates and measures from his devices is several orders of magnitude higher than what could be obtained from photon radiation recoil - even if all of the generated RF were radiated unidirectionally. A small leak of RF would

RE: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

Bob – although interesting, in this reference Vonsovskii does not mention the mass of the spin wave. Or if he did, I missed it, so please supply that reference. Having real mass could mean everything in the context of understanding why conservation of momentum is not violated in the Em -

[Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

RE: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)Jones-- Spin waves are discussed in the Ferromagnetism book I identified in this thread-- Ferromagnetic Resonance: The Phenomenon of Resonant Absorption of a High ... edited by S. V. Vonsovskii I did not want to raise any more controversy! Thanks of keeping me

[Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

Dave— People do not like to go there when it comes to the equivalence of spin angular momentum and other forms of energy. Since spin has a minimum associated with the Planck constant, it suggests a minimum quanta of energy also IMHO. I know of no explanation along these lines however. Bob

Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 10:24 AM, David Roberson wrote: I would assume that the guys working on these devices have the expertise to > ensure that a very minimum amount of RF is escaping from their shielded > cavity. This is not too difficult to achieve in real life with

[Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

Eric etal--- The following is a link to an abridged book on ferromagnetic resonance. (Note the subject index.) It has an explanation of Cherenkov Radiation at page 135 which is part of the abridgement. Does anyone have a free link to this book? I think it would be a good reference to EM

RE: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

A related but alternative bit of insight comes from John Wallace in the cited paper on spin waves. I thought Bob Cook was aware of it, but maybe not since he did not bring up the most important detail - mass. It would be relevant to Shawyer’s drive if the Frustum were to have an iron liner

Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

I would assume that the guys working on these devices have the expertise to ensure that a very minimum amount of RF is escaping from their shielded cavity. This is not too difficult to achieve in real life with highly conductive cavities. Also, the actual thrust due to photons being emitted

Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

I wrote: There was an interesting YouTube video that was mentioned here within the > last year, maybe, that showed how RF could readily escape from a metal > trashcan that was being used as a Faraday cage if electrical conducting > tape was not used to carefully tape down the lid. > Sorry, that

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

When might somehow be important but if you take the process to the extreme you get a result that doesn't make any sense. For example, if the spaceship continues to use up its mass in a constant acceleration process that requires power and thus energy to be expended for the drive, then

Fwd: [Vo]:Bacteria able to eat plastic bottles discovered by scientists

corrected link http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/operation.wmvm/scifi2/zpt/temp/operation.wmv Secret of the plastic detector model number I. Model II is confidential. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/operation.wmvm/scifi2/zpt/temp/Operation.wmv Frank Znidarsic

Fwd: [Vo]:Bacteria able to eat plastic bottles discovered by scientists

Secret of the plastic detector model number I. Model II is confidential. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/operation.wmvm/scifi2/zpt/temp/Operation.wmv Frank Znidarsic

[Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

Eric and Russ etal.-- Check out the following link: http://www.andrijar.com/cherenkov/cherenkov.htm I am surprised Axil has not already noted this. Bob Cook From: Eric Walker Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 8:46 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s) On Mon, Mar 14, 2016

Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:48 AM, David Roberson wrote: Of course thrust would be generated if RF is directed away from the drive > into space. Unfortunately, this is not happening in these devices since > they are well shielded and keep the RF from escaping. > There was an

Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

Notice that I had an etc. at the end of that short list! The poor guy ran into the wall as it was speeding in his direction. It also happens that the Earth spins a little bit faster or perhaps slower than before the car's acceleration to absorb some of that original energy. It can get

Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

The car expends energy when it accelerates to a higher velocity in the direction of motion. This must result in a reduction of mass since it takes power input to perform that motion. When regenerative braking is used, energy is returned to the car batteries which means the battery mass must

Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

Of course thrust would be generated if RF is directed away from the drive into space. Unfortunately, this is not happening in these devices since they are well shielded and keep the RF from escaping. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker To:

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

Perhaps "when" did the mass go answers the question better to explain the spatial imbalance. -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 5:15 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s) In reply to

Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 1:45 AM, Russ George wrote: Well since most microwave leak detectors are actually pretty broadband rf > detectors so most rf can be ruled out, no appreciable heating is seen so no > ir, no visible light, no massive sound so no acoustic, live lab

RE: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

Well since most microwave leak detectors are actually pretty broadband rf detectors so most rf can be ruled out, no appreciable heating is seen so no ir, no visible light, no massive sound so no acoustic, live lab rats so no ionizing radiation, what’s left that might be made and detected???