On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
It means we acknowledge the possibility of error or fraud, and *then we
move on* to the rest of the discussion.
Lawrence already showed how silly this claim is. You repeatedly say there
is no chance of fraud; that the
I'm coming to this discussion a little late, I know, and I'll probably
repeat points others have covered, but as I read through the nonsense
Rothwell writes, I can't carry on to the next nonsensical paragraph until
I've dealt with the previous, so I'll post my thoughts as I work through
it. If you
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
I was assuming that nearly all of the heat is stored in water, and that
heat stored in the core is insignificant because it is metal, and most
metals have about 10 times lower specific heat than water. I was leaving
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
If you trust there was water flowing thorough at the rate reported by
Rossi, then replace 4 L every 15 minutes as I originally suggested:
This seems wrong. The pump is rated at 12L/h, and at the end of the run the
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
If you wish to disprove these claims, you must demonstrate by
conventional means that you can keep a reactor of this size at boiling
temperatures for 4 hours, while it remains too hot to touch.
There is no need to
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
This theory has no bearing on the results. The theory may be wrong, but
the technique has been independently tested, and it works.
So they claim. But the demonstrations are not impressive. I'm not aware of
any
FYI, and comments (especially precisions are welcome for newcommers).
probably some have already the data, but reading the comments, some don't
know.
found registrar for Defkalion holding in Cyprus
http://www.cyprus-data.com/product/352351/praxen-defkalion-green-technologies-global-ltd.html
seems
a little more data here
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3208908.ece
including Defkalion greek registration
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3194246.ece/BINARY/Defkalion+in+Greek+Gov+Gazette+April%2C+2011+%28pdf%29
is someone can reed greek language and tell us the
Here is part of the last message Talbot sent me about the Rossi device. We
talked about this on the phone. I told him I disagreed. We dropped the
subject. After this we only talked about other papers he was working on.
I have deleted some unrelated stuff, and extraneous details.
I feel uneasy
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/12/coffee-pot-physics/
See ... our efforts on the Ecat weren't wasted!
(lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- Hi, google!)
World's smallest steam engine comes to life
Posted on December 12, 2011 - 05:11 by Kate Taylor on TG Daily
German physicists say they've built a heat engine measuring only a few
micrometers across which works as well as a normal-sized version - although it
sputters, they admit.
Researchers
The Sven Kullander eCat Talk.
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1416
“He (Kullander) was puzzled by the presence of natural copper in the
ash, but a detailed isotopic analysis is expected to be ready for
Christmas”.
harry
That's amazing. But for a watch battery I suppose a thermoelectric chip is
better.
This would be for mechanical action on a very small scale. I do not know
what that could be used for, but when something like this comes along,
people often find a use for it. Something like itty-bitty robots
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
The Sven Kullander eCat Talk.
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1416
“He (Kullander) was puzzled by the presence of natural copper in the
ash, but a detailed isotopic analysis is expected to be ready for
Christmas”.
The
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I found it interesting that Kullander said he would test Rossi's device
only if he could release the results and, apparently, no device had yet
been offered for him to test.
Yup, that's what he said. Google-translation:
Kullander preclude an agreement
Ransom Wuller, an attorney who hangs out on Ecatnews.com, asked me to ...
well here's what he said:
Oh and Maryyugo, you can do Lewan's second test really easy, take a hose,
run 11 liters of water through it into a 6 liter bucket and let me know if
your floor gets wet, if so you just proved Rossi
OK. Looked at the video at
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3166552.ece .
I'm not sure if that's the right video for Wuller's question but if so,
it's the infamous stable, stable video in which Lewan is walking all over
the room with his camera, nobody is watching the
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I have to admit, I can't follow the PDF report enough to figure out what
reservoir 1 and 2 are and what volumes Lewan is measuring.And even if
Lewan lost some water along the way, was it necessarily converted to steam?
If it was still liquid, it
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
No matter what Jed Rothwell says, poisoned by the deepest failings of
uncaring and debased human nature, Cold fusion could usher in a new dark
age of human exploitation and misery for all mankind.
I said that too. See chapter 19, Making things worse . . .
From Axil Axil:
No matter what Jed Rothwell says, poisoned by the deepest failings of
uncaring and debased human nature, Cold fusion could usher in a new dark age
of human exploitation and misery for all mankind.
From Jed:
I said that too. See chapter 19, Making things worse . . .
I would
Allan Sterling has an interesting article about it:
http://www.naturalnews.com/026116_energy_free_population.html
The article is very long and I citate only the end.
citation:
Handing this over to human beings now would be like giving a child a set
of big red buttons for launching nuclear
On Dec 12, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
[snip]
Cold fusion will result in a world where slavery is brutally
reinstated as the business strategy of choice for the international
corporate oligarchy.
Regards:
Axil
I appreciate your great optimism that cold fusion will impact the
These tests would require direct fraudulent action by Rossi. Bad calorimetry
(ignoring water overflow) is insufficient to explain the power.
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3166567.ece/BINARY/Report+test+of+E-cat+19+April+2011.pdf
Energy calculation:
Conservative value of inlet water
Am 12.12.2011 23:16, schrieb Peter Heckert:
Allan Sterling has an interesting article about it:
http://www.naturalnews.com/026116_energy_free_population.html
Sorry, I was in error, this article is not by Sterlin Allan. I found it
linked, when searching for his religious articles.
But I think,
Ransompw is desperate to justify his faith in Rossi, but this experiment is
hardly the one to do it, for several reasons:
1) If half the liquid is escaping the hose as steam as ransom claims, then
there should be a flow of gas at the output close to 1 L/s. There is no way
the gas coming out of
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Also, if the water was in the mythical state discussed here in which it is
90% liquid and 10% vapor, the liquid portion would definitely fall into the
bucket. The only way it could not have reached the bucket would be
If Cold Fusion or other forms of nearly free energy emerge, obviously there
will be radical change in the world. 'Free' energy will have a profoundly
deflationary effect on the world economy. Oil will move towards a price
consistent with being a chemical feedstock, eventually, as automobiles
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyone know what really happened there
No one, except AR, *knows* what is happening. All is speculation. I
would recommend the advice of Buffalo Springfield:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5M_Ttstbgs
What a field day for
Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
'Free' energy will stimulate economies temporarily as new products are
eagerly bought - however, in the longer term, it will deflate
general economic demand in a manner similar to what the internet did for
recorded music, movies and pornography (!).
Aha interesting! I confess I prefer espresso machine and moka
physics... mostly for the outcome ;-)
mic
2011/12/12 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/12/coffee-pot-physics/
See ... our efforts on the Ecat weren't wasted!
(lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the
Has the 'God Particle' Been Found? Major Announcement Expected Tuesday
Published December 12, 2011
CERN
A proton-proton collision at the Large Hadron Collider particle
accelerator at CERN laboratory in Geneva that produced more than 100
charged particles.
The world of physics is abuzz with
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Ransompw is desperate to justify his faith in Rossi, but this experiment
is hardly the one to do it, for several reasons:SNIP
I understand and agree with all the reasons but the problem I see is
accounting for the
This comes close to a reproduction of Rossi's experiments where assumption
that all the water is transformed into steam is used.
A coffee pot can seem to do the same with hilarious results.
Giovanni
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Michele Comitini
michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
Aha
The Internet has improved efficiency in a wide range of industries, such as
grocery store inventory. Has it had a deflationary effect on these
industries? I do not know.
It has deflated goods and services directly produced by the Internet
itself, such as publishing books. Amazon Kindle books are
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
An ultrasonic nebulizer is certainly possibly but it's a bit far fetched.
A bit? How would the water from this reach the end of the hose without
forming drops and becoming an ordinary flow of water? I would say that is
impossible.
- Jed
On Dec 12, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/12/coffee-pot-physics/
See ... our efforts on the Ecat weren't wasted!
(lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- Hi, google!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJvJI8vpLL8
... I'd rather
Hopefully it will become free energy device.
Dozens of amateur researchers ( Steorn included ) have established
that it is possible to circumvent Lenz's law. The hope is this will
eventually lead to a free energy device.
But even if you can't use a violation of lenz law to generate free
energy,
Hopefully it will become free energy device.
Dozens of amateur researchers ( Steorn included ) have established
that it is possible to circumvent Lenz's law. The hope is this will
eventually lead to a free energy device.
But even if you can't use a violation of lenz law to generate free
energy,
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Dozens of amateur researchers ( Steorn included ) have established
that it is possible to circumvent Lenz's law. The hope is this will
eventually lead to a free energy device.
Steorn has never demonstrated any
To get the attention of physicists you will need to find a way to connect the
output power back to the input and have the device increase its energy. No
other test would convince them that your device is effective.
Have you been able to achieve this benchmark? This requirement reminds me of
Reminds me of Thane Heins' Regenerative Acceleration.
http://ottawaskeptics.org/local-investigations/121-in-this-town-we-obey-the-laws-of-thermodynamics
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load
From: dlrober...@aol.com
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:23:24 -0500
To get the
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 8:23 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
This requirement reminds me of the skeptic's demand that Rossi's device
needs to run a generator to supply the input power and it is valid.
Actually, with Rossi, it's simpler than that. His claim is that his device
The central issue is that Acceleration Under Load (AUL) is a misnomer. The
acceleration is occurring when coils are being shorted. Two issues arise:
1) The initial power/rpm ratio is set while these same regenerative coils are
presenting opposition to movement. In most experiments, just moving
Due to the lower torque of the disk, the output rpm should not be used as its
own representation of power. In the video, output voltage and current are
measured, but the method is unclear. It is certainly not a series measurement,
as the probe placement is not required for continuous operation,
Lewan's 2nd test in april adequately measured the output energy to establish
O/I of over 3/1. Since steam quality and output measurements have been
questioned and used as a basis to argue that the various Rossi tests failed to
demonstrate O/I, it is unique.
While manipulation of input energy,
FYI:
See excerpt at end of message for more evidence for what I've been thinking
of for 30 years, and harping on here for the last year or more. J
Point of interest:
The nanoclusters only formed when a specific amount of heat was present.
which means that that specific amount of heat caused
So far I have read, they got strong evidence, but not this high evidence that
is needed for such a fundamental discovery.
They are not like Rossi. They will test it again and again and doubt and harden
it by all possible methods, before they confirm it.
Scientific evidence is yet not reached.
Cold fusion will solve every major global problems. And they can be defined
with two words:
For environmental problems: _vertical agriculture_
For political problems: _global basic income_
And ALL known political, economical and environmental problems are solved
and we live in the age of Star
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