See:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-world-without-work-as-robots-computers-get-smarter-will-humans-have-anything-left-to-do/2013/01/18/61561b1c-61b7-11e2-81ef-a2249c1e5b3d_story.html
This subject is starting to attract attention in the mass media. I wish
cold fusion would.
Cold fusion
See a bunch of photos here:
http://photo.sankei.jp.msn.com/kodawari/data/2013/01/24led/
Google translate does a pretty good job converting the text on this page to
English.
- Jed
If it is censored, why did you post it?
- Jed
A truly scary prospect, I would say. Humans now have three ways they
could make themselves extinct - atomic weapons, biological weapons,
and smart computers. The list seems to be growing. What happens when
the smart computer is run by cold fusion so that it can never be
turned off?
Ed
Ed sez:
What happens when the smart computer is run by cold fusion so that it
can never be turned off?
Men will be free to go back to watching professional wrestling football on
TV 20 hours a day.
Women... cooking shows.
Thus spoke, THGTTG: Mostly harmless.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
Rossi has censored it, and I have saved it for the posterity.
Peter
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
If it is censored, why did you post it?
- Jed
--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
A truly scary prospect, I would say. Humans now have three ways they could
make themselves extinct - atomic weapons, biological weapons, and smart
computers.
I do not see it that way. Nuclear or biological weapons would cause only
massive harm.
Well Steven, as usual you cleverly identified another way humans will
become extinct. These activities will cause excessive sex from
boredom, which will require the computer to thin the population,
perhaps by an excessive amount using the other tools I mentioned.
Ed
On Jan 26, 2013, at
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi has censored it, and I have saved it for the posterity.
Ah, I see!
Rossi is short-tempered at times.
- Jed
I agree Jed, you are correct if humans were rational. Unfortunately, a
significant fraction are not rational, as can be easily seen at all
levels. When irrational people have the ability, they always attempt
to destroy. In the past, their ability was very limited. This ability
is growing.
Eric,
Here are a few other brief points leading to the conclusion that hydrogen
mass is not quantized-at least not “in practice”. (to be explained)
First off – it would be most unusual for only one isotope of one element in
the entire periodic table to be quantized. That would be the case if the
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone
However the professor has a very inefficient style sweet, moral and nasty
not skilled in polemiology, surely has not read or
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
I agree Jed, you are correct if humans were rational.
They are, at times. If we were not rational, civilization and technology
would not exist.
Unfortunately, a significant fraction are not rational, as can be easily
seen at all levels. When
On Jan 26, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
I agree Jed, you are correct if humans were rational.
They are, at times. If we were not rational, civilization and
technology would not exist.
Unfortunately, a significant fraction are not
One derivative speculation of all of this, which points to usable details to
help to better design NiH experiments, is to know “how much” excess
mass-energy exists in hydrogen (as “overage” from the average) which mass
can be converted to energy (via goldstone bosons). If this estimate can be
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
I wrote:
What is it that is causing the proton in this model to vary in mass, and
is the range of possible masses discrete or continuous?
I should anticipate one possible answer, which seems like a good explanation
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Some LENR systems produce tritium and this decays into He3. Could a
LENR system be engineered to supply enough
He3 to make this sort of hot fusion practical?
No, because tritium is a very minor product of LENR.
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for this reminder.
Can you imagine any reasons why hot fusion researchers might divert
some of their own money into LENR research because it could advance
their own program?
Or will funding for hot fusion
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
One derivative speculation of all of this, which points to usable details to
help to better design NiH experiments, is to know “how much” excess
mass-energy exists in hydrogen (as “overage” from the average) which mass
7.4 x 10^-35 rather
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
One derivative speculation of all of this, which points to usable details to
help to better design NiH experiments, is to know
On Jan 26, 2013, at 10:45 AM, a.ashfield wrote:
Interesting discussion. I have been writing about this for years
but it is good to see the main media is starting to pick it up. The
referenced article was rather unimaginative in places but noted the
basic question: “who is going buy all
On Jan 26, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Some LENR systems produce tritium and this decays into He3. Could a
LENR system be engineered to supply enough
He3 to make this sort of hot fusion practical?
This would set the upper limit of available energy somewhere around
83.2 eV per atom.
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
7.4 x 10^-35 rather
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Jones
Louis Kelso, inventor of the Employee Stock Ownership Plan - ESOP - used by
11,000 companies, saw this coming decades ago. He suggested a Second Income
Plan. See: SECOND INCOMES at www.aesopinstitute.org for a current version.
Independent of savings, it would open a path to end poverty, and
Edmund Storms wrote: This is obviously a basic question and the obvious
answer is a form of socialism. Money will have be extracted from the
system to give basic support to the unemployed and underemployed. As we
know from sad experience, when people are hungary and bored they gum up
the
Good point Terry - but - I don't have a problem with the sampling
uncertainty being less than what is actually available to be captured within
samples.
This is not an easy point to reconcile, and I could be wrong on how NIST
arrived at that number, but - the kind of uncertainty in the table
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Thus you might say that there would be low mass variability between hydrogen
split from tropical seawater in 1950 and hydrogen spit from Siberian methane
in 2013.
That would have profound implications. Some sources of
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Tom Claytor has a way of making tritium based on LENR that might supply
tritium to the hot fusion program. Nevertheless, once LENR is understood,
who needs hot fusion? Public funding is not determined by logic,
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 1:56 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
So like the Chinese proverb says: “Interesting times.”
That has been considered a curse more than a proverb.
From Ashfield:
... The referenced article was rather unimaginative in places but
noted the basic question: who is going buy all these nice goodies
if they are unemployed?
Precisely.
personal rant
IMHO, too many politicians are focusing on a misguided belief that balancing
the
as explained in the wired, and as experienced in the 50s,
the automation will reduce some work, but create others that we don't
imagine, or we don't dare to.
there is also old need that will be covered better like elderly care,
better health care, disabled care, ...
vacation will develop (I don't
Second Incomes, as suggested by Louis Kelso, would be derived from a broad new
program of capital investment. This is not in any way Socialism. Kelso's first
book, with Mortimer Adler, was The Capitalist Manifesto.
There is a link, under SECOND INCOMES, on the Aesop Institute website, to a
Agreed.
See HUMAN INVESTMENT, on the Aesop Institute site, for a way to sharply
increase employment. Weak versions of the incentives we suggested in Discussion
Papers we wrote for the Economic Development Administration (U.S. Department of
Commerce) were included in the Jobs Tax Credit of
Kelos's goal was to enable almost everyone to receive half your income from
diversified investments by about age 50.
That could lower the nominal work week to 20 hours.
Herbert Marcuse defined toil as work you do not choose to do. All other work he
viewed as play. His only optimistic book,
On Jan 26, 2013, at 11:45, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
I don't think one can accomplish that by constantly slashing national budgets
in a misguided belief that doing so will stabilize the value of money,
which in turn will somehow miraculously cause
Steven:
How many people could $400 BILLION dollars feed?
-Mark
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:46 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on
employment
From
On Jan 26, 2013, at 12:45 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
From Ashfield:
... The referenced article was rather unimaginative in places but
noted the basic question: “who is going buy all these nice goodies
if they are unemployed?”
Precisely.
personal rant
IMHO, too many
Ed,
Huge cuts could be made in our military budget which is bloated, wasteful and
largely redundant. (I was a USAF Officer and speak with first hand knowledge).
That alone would make an enormous difference.
Try and get Congress to approve it! Fat chance!
Mark Goldes
Co-Founder, Chava Energy
Yes, Mark, this would be the best place to start. But jobs will be
lost, the only issue is which jobs. Congress does not want to cut any
jobs because these are voters. They only want to cut things that will
piss off the fewest number of people who vote. The poor do not vote so
they are
Jones: Reading this reminds me of WHACK-A-MOLE :^(but that's chemistry not
quantum physics/sorry).
None-the-less Eric your comments/assessments are astute.
Alternative: Is it that protons don't quantize well because they have
singularity-centres that dialate or contract relative to
Well, if I had the backing to test the hypothesis, one of the first
experiments would be to set up three identical reactors using nickel
nanopowder, or Ni loaded zeolite.
1) argon fill, as an inert baseline
2) H2 enriched via multi-stage enrichment of the least dense fractional
component of
Yes: That pesky 'Spooky Action @ a Distance' again. Quantum spinning particles
'tailed'/quantum-singularitized through XO-PlasmicSpace(regardless of distance
of separation) to be in multiple locations simultaneously interacting in
'real-time' with other particles aka quantum-units. This is
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
No Steven, what you say is not the issue. The issue is that money has been
lent to the US in various forms and by various people and they want their
money back eventually. Meanwhile they want to be paid interest. The US
TARGETED RESONANT FREQUENCY/Hertz MODULATION at the quantum level indicated by
PHONON outputs will
be the KEY to discovering the most efficacious input-technique for discovering
why(for instance) that Russian water is
more salubrious than Texan water and to TRIGGER cascading 'cooler' fusion
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
This essentially is the best argument for quantization: if the electron is
quantized – then why not the proton? But it is a false expectation. Can
anyone think of any good theoretical argument which demand quantization in
On Jan 26, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
No Steven, what you say is not the issue. The issue is that money
has been lent to the US in various forms and by various people and
they want their money back
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
If so, why would any form of energy arbitration
Typo: arbitrage not arbitration.
Eric
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting discussion. It raises for me, among other things, questions
about the limits of the instruments used to determine the mass of the
various particles being discussed.
I think this is used for the proton:
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Pollution is gradually being reduced.
Except in China and India, which is most of the world.
Pollution per dollar of GDP is down in both. China is making rapid strides,
adding nuclear and wind power.
Out of control population growth is
I should have described the difficulty of transition.
When a few companies have changed to fully automated production it is
hard to see how they can be made to use a shorter work week, earlier
retirement, higher taxes etc.To impose those things just on companies
changing to full automation
* * *Here's some fun with PLASMA PHYSICS: In Korean air/ground-skimming space:
the quasi-FUSION project has produced the Mageto-XO-Plamic-toroid ELECTRO-PLAS
METEOR-technology. That latest most 'fun' development is that
launch-generators/launchers are far more directable now(accurate) via
Technology is only part of the solution.
Second Incomes can be adapted to most of the industrialized world. If we are
wise enough to pass such legislation the pain of transition can be reduced.
See a proposed act for the U.S. Congress at SECOND INCOMES on the Aesop site.
See CHEAP GREEN, on
On Jan 26, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Pollution is gradually being reduced.
Except in China and India, which is most of the world.
Pollution per dollar of GDP is down in both. China is making rapid
strides, adding nuclear and wind
AIR POLLUTION: Plant extremely fast growing forests to sharply reduce it. See
details at
http://www.adamsmithtoday.com/an-australian-solution-to-the-co2-problem. It
could readily be tried in China. Water might be supplied by air wells instead
of desalination.
Mark Goldes
Co-Founder, Chava
I wrote:
Your argument is general and would seem to go beyond protons, since it
operates at the level of quarks and gluons and so on and calls out nothing
specific to protons, in particular. You appear to extend the variable-mass
hypothesis to electrons; can I assume that it applies to
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Pollution per dollar of GDP is down in both. China is making rapid
strides, adding nuclear and wind power.
That does not seem to translate into improvement. Last night the news
showed a picture from space where the pollution was clearly visible.
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Debt is good within limits, Eric. The problem comes when the amount of
debt exceeds the ability to pay back or even to service, i.e. to pay the
interest. This is why people lost their homes. The US government has now
reached a debt so large that it
We've already gone over the new Science paper on muonic hydrogen elsewhere,
but I saw a comment on E-Cat World that I thought was worth bringing up
here. According to a summary of the Science article in Ars Technica [1],
the problem I alluded to in the title is that the charge radius of the
I wrote:
So it seems that under certain conditions, physicists are measuring
something vaguely like Mills's fractional hydrogen -- it might be that it
is Mills's fractional hydrogen, or it might be something entirely different.
This is incorrect. The physicists are measuring *muonic*
Eric wrote:
“I see no need to slash government entitlements that are basically self-funding
and which, if anything, help to bring down costs.”
Care to explain how government entitlements are ‘self-funding’…
And how do they ‘help to bring down costs’…
-Mark
From: Eric Walker
“But the measurements are extremely accurate, and incompatible, unless there is
something unexplained going on.”
Perhaps protons have different energy levels (shells) similar to elections?
-Mark
From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:17
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 3:35 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote:
Care to explain how government entitlements are ‘self-funding’…
And how do they ‘help to bring down costs’…
No problem.
Medicare is believed to bring down costs through its bargaining power and
ability to control
From: Eric Walker
* why would any form of energy arbitration, in which a magnetic field is used
to drain off a little bit of the mass of a proton, not also apply to neutrons
and electrons?
For any energy to transfer, even spin energy - from a disturbed proton to
another nucleus
Sorry Jed, but your analysis conflicts with every economist that I
have read and I read many. Raising taxes back to Clayton is not
possible because the economy is not growing as fast as it was then so
that the tax rate would have to be a bigger fraction of the income to
provide the same
You simply can’t rely on one-sided references to make important decisions with
these kinds of complex programs...
All articles, regardless of whether they are on a liberal website or
conservative, are one-sided; they usually leave out important points which do
not support the article’s
I am going to play the skeptic on this thread. I have a very strong suspicion
that the accuracy of the proton measurement is most likely not as good as is
thought. Why does the uncertainty principle allow the size measurement to be
this accurate since the particle momentum appears to be well
FYI:
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/ir/ir_expense.htm
Interest on the Federal Debt
Historical Data, Fiscal Year End
2012 $359,796,008,919.49
2011 $454,393,280,417.03
2010 $413,954,825,362.17
2009 $383,071,060,815.42
2008 $451,154,049,950.63
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote:
You simply can’t rely on one-sided references to make important decisions
with these kinds of complex programs...
Agreed.
Thus, I find that reading the comment section helps to more accurately
inform me;
I agree, this is extremely dangerous for our economy. The usual solution is to
allow inflation to erase the hard earned money of those that save instead of
spend. If you want to have a bit of fun, consider doing the following.
Take the poorest country in the world and lend each of the
This proton measurement thing has me perplexed. So much so that I don't care
about it. My
only interest is the nuclear wave number. It appears to be 1.36 fm-1 for all
nucleons.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
There is always the option of forfeiting growth and trying to be a world
power. Let it be a job to be of China or India. Scrap the military bases,
inside and outside US. Heavily tax the rich to the point of bankruptcy for
those who like to live off unproductive business (Wall Street). Employ the
Ed,
Paul Krugman of Princeton (and a NY Times columnist) believes they are
seriously in error. Robert Reich at Berkeley agrees. This appears to be a case
where conventional belief may prove to be as wrong as it has been with regard
to LENR.
Mark
Mark Goldes
Co-Founder, Chava Energy
CEO,
I think that a competitive market-based system for most things results in the
best price for the end-consumer, but for certain critical needs such as medical
and basic research, some govt/industry cooperation is warranted. This goes
with the caveat that the markets are truly competitive with
I ranted:
IMHO, too many politicians are focusing on a misguided
belief that balancing the national budget is the most
important thing, above everything else, that must be
tackled. What most fail to realize is the fact that
money is nothing more than a contractual
representation of the
From Mark:
How many people could $400 BILLION dollars feed?
Your point being.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:28 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote:
I think that a competitive market-based system for most things results in
the best price for the end-consumer, but for certain critical needs such as
medical and basic research, some govt/industry cooperation is
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Sorry Jed, but your analysis conflicts with every economist that I have
read and I read many.
Read Krugman.
Raising taxes back to Clayton is not possible because the economy is not
growing as fast as it was then so that the tax rate would have to
Ed and others:
The US net wealth after all debt is deducted is higher now than it has ever
been in US history. Print the money, default or make the citizens of the US
pay it off, it makes almost no difference. Debt is more or less an illusion.
Picking one or the other of the above choices
Perhaps the proton's radius can be both increased and descreased under
certain conditions.
Does anyone know how (or if) in theory the proton's radius would
effect rates of fusion?
Would the proton have to be larger or smaller to increase rates of fusion?
Harry
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:16 PM,
Notably, F. Hayek, one of the greatest advocates of free market
economics, argued that everyone should receive a basic income or (what
he called a minimum income) regardless of employment. See chapter 9
Security and Freedom in his book _Road to Serfdom_ .
Meant people do NOT like paying taxes . . .
It is a shame we cannot edit these messages.
Krugman and others think this deficit issue has been hyped by people who
want to use it as an excuse to reduce programs they dislike. Right wing
people want to reduce social spending; left wing people want
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:28 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
We also need to look at how the entitlement programs are structured… I’ve
seen examples about how the rules are not structured to encourage one to
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