RE: [Vo]:Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

2016-05-13 Thread Chris Zell
I agree. There is too much assumption that harm created by pollution or radiation is perfectly linear, down to tiny amounts. There doesn't seem to be any allowance for hormesis. And, yes, I own solar panels. -Original Message- From: a.ashfield [mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net] Sent:

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

2016-05-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Patrick Ellul wrote: Jed, > > If it is a matter of calorimetry as you insist, why would they ever settle > out of court? > I only say that because people often settle out of court. Their lawyers may advise them to do that to save money. Rossi will never accept that it

RE: [Vo]:Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

2016-05-13 Thread a.ashfield
Chris Zell, "And, yes, I own solar panels." I can believe solar panels show a return for the owner - with sufficient public subsidies.

[Vo]:Re: Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

2016-05-13 Thread Bob Cook
Adrian- I also own 16 solar panels. Since they were installed on May 4, 2016 I have earned about $100 for the energy I have produced. The current power being generated is at 3 kw at 9:30 in the morning. I should do about 25 kwh today at about $0.63 / kwh. :) With a $5500 tax credit or

[Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-13 Thread Peter Gluck
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/05/may-13-2016-lenr-about-feline-nature-of.html still discussions but slowly cooling down, some info and news peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:Re: Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

2016-05-13 Thread a.ashfield
Bob, How much did the 16 panel installation cost?

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Craig Haynie wrote: The other thing that confuses me, is that in the contract they signed with > Rossi, they didn't have a clause which allowed them to independently > evaluate the device; nor did it allow them to certify, or reject, the > evaluation of the EVR; and

Re: [Vo]:Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

2016-05-13 Thread Alain Sepeda
to be clear it is long ago proven that hormesis is real, thet there is structural threshold in genotoxic effects, ... As much as LENR is long time measured, ormesis and threshold are measured. much meter tha Rossi's calorimetry. every 6 month someone say that we have at last found that, and

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-13 Thread Axil Axil
Their motivation makes sense if they never intended to take the results of the one year test seriously. They did not care what the EVR did, they had Rossi's IP in hand that they could transfer to their own products and that of their other EOMs. On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Craig Haynie

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-13 Thread Axil Axil
I am just bring into focus what the theory of Rossi's case is...the avoidance of the $Billion payment in licence fees. It has nothing to with Rossi's tech not working. If IH claims that Rossi's IP does not work, they will lose their case since their duly authorized agent who designed and conducted

Re: [Vo]:Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

2016-05-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
a.ashfield wrote: > I can believe solar panels show a return for the owner - with sufficient > public subsidies. > Yes. Fortunately, the public subsidies for solar panels are far smaller than they are for coal or nuclear power. Imagine if we had to kill 20,000 people a

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: The theory of the case is centered on the $Billion that IH would save is > they could somehow use Rossi's IP in their own products and that of their > OEMs but avoid paying 1 billion dollars in licensing fees. > This theory is bonkers. The machine DOES NOT

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-13 Thread Axil Axil
If IH can somehow use the IP of Rossi but get out of the licence agreement with Rossi, they will save one $billion. This may explain the motivation in the actions of IH. This is just a theory of the case. On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 6:30 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > Their motivation

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-13 Thread Axil Axil
I am developing my opinion of what Rossi's opinion of the case is. “A theory of a case is a cogent statement of an advocate’s position that justifies the verdict he or she is seeking. A theory of the case is not necessarily cast in the words that will be sued with the jury, but words that are

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-13 Thread Axil Axil
The theory of the case is centered on the $Billion that IH would save is they could somehow use Rossi's IP in their own products and that of their OEMs but avoid paying 1 billion dollars in licensing fees. This theory explains why IH did not care how the one year test was performed because they

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-13 Thread Craig Haynie
On 05/13/2016 04:20 PM, Axil Axil wrote: What confuses the analysis of the motives of IH is that IH patented the Lugano device, as Rossi's IP. This indicated that IH knew that Rossi's IP worked and gave Rossi credit for it in a patent application, I cannot figure out their motive here??? It

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: The product strategy of IH can be deduced from their actions as follows. IF > Rossi's IP never worked, IH would have terminated the test within days of > its start. . . . > Stop right there. Even in these first sentences you have already made unwarranted

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
In his latest travesty of a blog, Peter Gluck wrote: "However I think his anger has a deeper cause- he is wanting or being > pushed somehow to defend IH's very unnatural, surprising and implausible > position so he has to tell difficultly believable things- he also does not > know much about IH's

[Vo]:European Physical Society Meeting LENR section needs you to sign up now!

2016-05-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
The European Physical Society will hold a cold fusion session if 40 people sign up for it. So sign up if you are interested. The meeting will be on July 9 in Leuven, Belgium. See: https://kuleuvencongres.be/eps2016/scientific-program/satellite_meeting *Proposed Satellite Meeting to the 43rd

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: > IH cannot use Rossi's IP for anything as its stands now. > IH (and I) think that Rossi's gadget does not work, so he does not have any IP, so this does not matter. No one can use pretend IP for anything, as it stands now, and as it will always stand. If

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-13 Thread Axil Axil
The product strategy of IH can be deduced from their actions as follows. IF Rossi's IP never worked, IH would have terminated the test within days of its start. If IH believed that Rossi;s IP worked, they would have started setting up a production plant early on to get a jump on E-Cat production

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-13 Thread Axil Axil
IF and when IH pays Rossi the 89 million, what does IH get? IH gets the right to use Rossi's IP to produce and sell E Cat product in their territory granted by the Licence. IH cannot use Rossi's IP for anything as its stands now. Can IH sell product that contains Rossi's IP that has been

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

2016-05-13 Thread Bob Cook
Adrian-- $17,600 plus about $5,000 for roof replacement (it was 28 years old with three layers of shingles). The design work was about 2000 and the panels and installation about 15,000. It will take about 5 years to get my investment in the solar panels back. The panels are warranted for

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-13 Thread Axil Axil
What confuses the analysis of the motives of IH is that IH patented the Lugano device, as Rossi's IP. This indicated that IH knew that Rossi's IP worked and gave Rossi credit for it in a patent application, I cannot figure out their motive here??? It could b that their was a management disconnect