Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-27 Thread David Roberson
There is no need to second guess these models since they do a pretty good job of messing up in a manner that should be obvious to everyone. Even those who strongly believe that man is the main culprit in the warming period should take note of the inconsistencies. If someone is of the

Re: [Vo]:Evolutionists As Idiots

2014-08-27 Thread Sunil Shah
The evidence only proves that you failed. You failed to stimulate macro-evolution. Can it be stimulated? From: jojoiznar...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Evolutionists As Idiots Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 09:48:18 +0800 Well, we have conducted evolution experiments in

Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium

2014-08-27 Thread Nigel Dyer
Hi John et al It can be shown logically that it is impossible to argue against the hypothesis that God created the world in 4004 BC such that it had all the appearance of there having been Darwinian Evolution up until that point, as I have discovered previously. The possibility that life

Re: [Vo]: The Absurdity of Darwinian Evolution.

2014-08-27 Thread Sunil Shah
This has got to the worst calculation of evolution probabilities I have ever seen. Surely you can do BETTER than this? It's a bleedin' disgrace.. And stop misusing the proof word all the time : D I do recognize one particular thing though, I see it time and time again in arguments like these:

Re: [Vo]: The Absurdity of Darwinian Evolution.

2014-08-27 Thread Jojo Iznart
OK, would you believe the calculations of a staunch evolutionist? Julian Huxley, a staunch evolutionist, calculated the odds for evolving a horse by chance and came up with 1 chance in 10^300,000. That's a number with 300,000 zeroes. Considering that there are only 10^94 subatomic particles

Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium

2014-08-27 Thread jwinter
Hi Nigel, Thanks again for your reply but it seems like you were answering someone else's query. I did not remotely suggest recent creation and did not think that I promoted alien impregnation. The alien impregnation that I spoke of was of the sexual variety and is a well known case that

[Vo]:Re: The Absurdity of Darwinian Evolution.

2014-08-27 Thread pjvannoorden
Jojo I will send only one email about this subject. The fact that a stucture like DNA is involved increases the chances to produce new lifeforms dramatically. If there were only atoms and molecules involved and no mechanism to arrange them the chance of creating a horse would indeed be very

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-27 Thread Jack Cole
Dear Bob, David, and Jojo, Thank your for your suggestions. Since the electrodes are removable, I was planning to attach a length of heavy conductor where the electrodes are attached (probably automotive battery cables). That way, the welder doesn't have to be mounted over the cell. The welder

Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium

2014-08-27 Thread Nigel Dyer
Hi John Evolutionary principles can help understand how the first self replicating cell originated. For example all the evidence suggests that it came from an RNA based predecessor, where RNA is replicated and splits into chunks to form enzymes etc. We are currently finding RNA has far

Re: [Vo]:Re: The Absurdity of Darwinian Evolution.

2014-08-27 Thread Jojo Iznart
Actually, my friend, DNA vastly complicates Macro-Evolution because DNA is essentially a repository of Information. Try scrambling a few letters in a book and see if you come up with more information. No, you will not, information is lost everytime there is s mutation. Information which is

RE: [Vo]:Evolutionists As Idiots

2014-08-27 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Thanks for giving me a specific time-frame within the you tube link to fast forward to. Right now I don't have the time to wade through the entire lecture, but I did listen to the specific section about disproving the horse evolution theory. I did perform a spot check here and there. I do see

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-27 Thread Jack Cole
I also previously developed a method for running standard electrolysis and attempting to trigger LENR with pulses. The way it works is to place the active cathode (say some type of nickel) in between two additional electrodes in the cell. In this case, the nickel electrode would be placed in

Re: [Vo]:Evolutionists As Idiots

2014-08-27 Thread Jojo Iznart
I believe in the Bible fully from cover to cover. The Bible says the Universe and the Earth was created in 6 literal days. Now, the day may not necessarily be 24 hours but the idea was that God created everything in a short time. When he did that is not revealed in the Bible. Many Biblical

Re: [Vo]:Evolutionists As Idiots

2014-08-27 Thread Jojo Iznart
Do you have a free copy of this Forbidden Archeology book. The Bible teaches us to hear (eaxmine) the matter before asnswering (concluding) it. So, I'd like to read this on my spare time if I have access to a free copy. I am not willing to pay for one. Jojo - Original Message

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-27 Thread Bob Higgins
Last night it struck me that these voltage measurements are going to require a compensating loop to subtract out the induced voltage in the measurement loops. If you had a simple twisted pair wire to make the measurement, you would still end up with a measurement loop through which the magnetic

RE: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-27 Thread Chris Zell
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140821-global-warming-hiatus-climate-change-ocean-science/ So, the mainstream now says no global warming for 10 - 15 years?

Re: [Vo]: The Absurdity of Darwinian Evolution.

2014-08-27 Thread Sunil Shah
Well, your prediction is wrong. Yes, why would I not believe that the number 10^300,000 is correct? But who is to say that Huxley et al are answering the right question?? First of all they are making assumptions about certain small numbers (probabilities that things will occur). Large errors

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-27 Thread Jojo Iznart
You have a point. Though my view is, it may not be worth making these elaborate modifications. Are we striving for superaccuracy, or are we just trying to hit it in the ballpark? To me, the most important question is to see if the input power is in the vicinity of 5J. If it is, that would

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-27 Thread Bob Higgins
This type of spot welder is likely to deliver something in the range of 50-300 joules, without any means of controlling it (but measurable). Mills only claims that he should be able to detonate his wet particles with 5 joules and get the same output, but has never demonstrated this AFAIK. The

Re: [Vo]: The Absurdity of Darwinian Evolution.

2014-08-27 Thread Jojo Iznart
You illustrate a typical denial reaction that seems to have taken hold here in Vortex. If you do not like the result, you say it is an error or an outlier or incompetence. (my friend Jed does that a lot.) If Huxley was a creationist, you would say he is biased and not objective or not

Re: [Vo]: The Absurdity of Darwinian Evolution.

2014-08-27 Thread ChemE Stewart
The universe is in a constant state of creation, evolution and decay. The past, present and future are just humanities attempt to pin it down, like wrestling a greased pig. God has big fuzzy dice and rolls them every day. I hope that clears things up. On Wednesday, August 27, 2014, Jojo Iznart

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-27 Thread Jojo Iznart
In his bomb calorimetry demo, he demonstrated an input of about 200+ J. Correct me if I'm wrong cause I'm working from memory here. In the bomb calorimetry, they seems to have demonstrated a COP of 4+ I think the spot welder need to be modified to maintain a fix gap between the electrodes

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-27 Thread Bob Higgins
In his previous bomb calorimetry, only a COP of about 2 was reported. I have previously pointed out in detail the flaw in this calorimetry owing to the variable heat taken away by the large copper electrodes between the control and the actual experiment. Because of this flaw, the COP could be

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-27 Thread Jojo Iznart
In my opinion. Calorimetry using water is a non-starter. There is just to many points of entry where error can creep in. The biggest of which would be, will a hydrino transition even occur under water. It seems to me that it would electrolyze and split the water first before it initiates a

Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium

2014-08-27 Thread jwinter
Hi Nigel, Thanks again for your answer, but again I cannot find the data point I am after in all the interesting information you have provided! So I will try again. Purely as an illustration or analogy, consider the growth of the human body. It starts at conception having many embryonic

Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium

2014-08-27 Thread Jojo Iznart
John, my friend, you have a fundamental problem in your analysis. Your unyielding adherence to Darwinian dogma is blinding you and preventing you from asking the right questions. You assume Darwinian Evolution is true first and that skews your analysis. For example, you assume that the

Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium

2014-08-27 Thread Jojo Iznart
If evolution is driven by a random process via random mutations, then evolution can not be reversible, since it is unlikely that a random mutation would occur that cancels out a previous random mutation. The odds are astronomical for that to occur. The fact that we see E. Coli gain penicilin

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-27 Thread Bob Higgins
It would appear that you are not qualified to say that calorimetry using water is a non-starter. First, in DI water there is no electrolyte added (just the opposite) and there will be no current flowing through this water being used to capture the heat and thermalize the UV. The DI water has no

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-27 Thread Jojo Iznart
First, you can not guarantee that the water is 100% deionized, can you? DI water sold in stores is not completely Deionized. Second, because you can not guarantee number 1 above, you can not guarantee that no electrolysis will occur. If there is current flowing thru that water, it will

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-27 Thread Bob Higgins
You do not appear to know what you are talking about; except in one respect: You are correct that it is Jack's experiment and his course of action is absolutely his choice. My inputs to this topic are terminated. I have no intention to contributing to this becoming a flame like some of the

Re: [Vo]: The Absurdity of Darwinian Evolution.

2014-08-27 Thread Axil Axil
http://phys.org/news/2014-08-scientists-human-worm-genomes-biology.html Scientists looking across human, fly and worm genomes find shared biology Researchers analyzing human, fly, and worm genomes have found that these species have a number of key genomic processes in common, reflecting their

Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium

2014-08-27 Thread jwinter
On 28/08/2014 1:11 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote: John, my friend, you have a fundamental problem in your analysis. Your unyielding adherence to Darwinian dogma You are mistaken. I have no adherence to Darwinian dogma whatsoever. If Darwinian dogma (whatever that is) happens to coincide with my

Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium

2014-08-27 Thread jwinter
On 28/08/2014 1:17 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote: If evolution is driven by a random process via random mutations, then evolution _can not be reversible_, since it is _unlikely_ that a random mutation would occur that cancels out a previous random mutation. The odds are astronomical for that to

Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium

2014-08-27 Thread Ken Deboer
Jojo, Here's one (actually a few ): clymene dolphin plus 2-4% of all flowering plants, inc. many sunflowers, and many crop species. BTW. This whole 'odds' thing is a joke. Julian Huxley, for example, did not state his opinion re; the astronomical 'odds' of a horse, but did ridicule the guy that

Re: [Vo]:unsubscribe

2014-08-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: Thanks to all who noticed and kindly commented on my leaving the Vortex-L list (apparently actually getting off the list takes rather longer than I expected …). You will never leave by this method. You are trapped! It is

Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium

2014-08-27 Thread Jojo Iznart
As pointed out, the odds for a mutation occuring that would result in a feature that is useful enough is astronomical. (See my first link). Its like fllipping 1000 consecutive heads followed by 1000 consecutive tails. Unlikely does not mean possible. It depends on the odds. If it is

Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium

2014-08-27 Thread Jojo Iznart
You seem to be implying that you know that the Coelacanth is 350 million years old from radiometric dating techniques. Please do tell, what sort of radiometric dating tells you that it is 350 million years old? Jojo - Original Message - From: jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au To:

[Vo]:Elon Would Invest in LENR

2014-08-27 Thread Terry Blanton
If it could be shown it could be used for propulsion. His five dreams: http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/27/technology/elon-musk/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-27 Thread Jojo Iznart
Look my friend, you and I appear to have a difference in what we think should be the goal of this replication attempt. That is why I said, we need to step back and think about this before we (or Jack) embark on an elaborate modification plan to build whatever it is he decides. 1. If Jack

Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium

2014-08-27 Thread Jojo Iznart
Ken, are you saying the Clymene dolphin is an example of Macro-evolution. It seems to me that it is just a variation of the spinner dolphin. Not sure what you are claiming here. Which 2%-4% of flowering plants are you referring to? Please be specific so that I can research it to see if you

Re: [Vo]: The Absurdity of Darwinian Evolution.

2014-08-27 Thread Jojo Iznart
This is a perfect example of what I am talking about. There are facts here. The facts are that human, fly and worm appears to have some common genomic processes. These are facts that I will not deny. This is the interpretation. That human, fly and worm have a common ancestor. The

Re: [Vo]:Elon Would Invest in LENR

2014-08-27 Thread ucar
Just I was the middle of viewing several interviews with him and figured out that he is aware of all things, however try to find out an evolutionary (smooth) way to change the world. I believe Tesla Motors name is not coincidental this way. Do you recall R. Stiffler? At 1996, we are

RE: [Vo]:Evolutionists As Idiots

2014-08-27 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Thank you for your candor, Jojo. Appreciate it. I have no desire to challenge your beliefs. It's pretty clear to me that your beliefs are very important to you, as are my own. I can respect that. Under the circumstances I think it only appropriate that I comment (or critique) my own

RE: [Vo]:Evolutionists As Idiots

2014-08-27 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From: Jojo Do you have a free copy of this Forbidden Archeology book. The Bible teaches us to hear (eaxmine) the matter before asnswering (concluding) it. So, I'd like to read this on my spare time if I have access to a free copy. I am not willing to pay for one. Alas, an

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt

2014-08-27 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: PS. Most of my responses are answers to queries. Carbon Dating is science (supposedly) and Darwinian Evolution is science (as Jed would claim) so what off topic flame are you referring to. Responses to religious

Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium

2014-08-27 Thread jwinter
On 28/08/2014 7:59 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote: You seem to be implying that you know that the Coelacanth is 350 million years old from radiometric dating techniques. Please do tell, what sort of radiometric dating tells you that it is 350 million years old? I don't know how these particular

Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium

2014-08-27 Thread jwinter
On 28/08/2014 7:42 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote: As pointed out, the odds for a mutation occuring that would result in a feature that is useful enough is astronomical. If the necessary information is present from the beginning, then it only needs to be triggered and it will express itself. This is my

Re: [Vo]: The Absurdity of Darwinian Evolution.

2014-08-27 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Sunil Shah s.u.n@hotmail.com wrote: This has got to the worst calculation of evolution probabilities I have ever seen. Surely you can do BETTER than this? It's a bleedin' disgrace.. Then why don't you go to the effort of dismantling it? And stop

Re: [Vo]: The Absurdity of Darwinian Evolution.

2014-08-27 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 6:44 AM, Sunil Shah s.u.n@hotmail.com wrote: Well, your prediction is wrong. ***Well, you went nowhere near to showing where it was wrong. Yes, why would I not believe that the number 10^300,000 is correct? ***because he worked out the math. Unlike your

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-27 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-28898223 'Widespread methane leakage' from ocean floor off US coast This could be bad news... On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: