Re: [Vo]:Comparison of energy inputs to Earth climate

[Che]

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 7:10 PM, H LV  wrote:

> In defence of AGW, this link argues that heat fluctuations from within
> the Earth are far too small to contribute to global warming.
>
> http://www.skepticalscience.com/heatflow.html
>
> The interesting thing is that according to fig. 4 energy produced by
> fossil and nuclear sources is already 1/3 of the energy flow from
> within the Earth. If LENR can really replace all other energy sources
> and if the demand for energy grows a hundred times then the "holy
> grail of energy" could bring about a global heat pollution problem.
>
> Harry
>
>
In an advanced and rational Human society, any 'waste heat' issues
threatening the Planet WILL be systematically addressed.

Thank you for raising the alarm.

[Vo]:Comparison of energy inputs to Earth climate

[H LV]

In defence of AGW, this link argues that heat fluctuations from within
the Earth are far too small to contribute to global warming.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/heatflow.html

The interesting thing is that according to fig. 4 energy produced by
fossil and nuclear sources is already 1/3 of the energy flow from
within the Earth. If LENR can really replace all other energy sources
and if the demand for energy grows a hundred times then the "holy
grail of energy" could bring about a global heat pollution problem.

Harry

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Axil Axil]

When it comes to entanglement. distance from the origin of the entanglement
is not cogent. The entangled particles can be on opposite side of the
universe and still be connected.

The strange thing about Holmlid's experiments is that Holmlid produces
billions of high energy particles that all should produce gamma radiation
when they hit something. But Holmlid never thinks to ask himself how his is
not fried to a crisp with gamma radiation.

I guess if an idea doesn't fit into your theory, you ignore it.

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> *From:* Axil Axil
>
> Proposition: "However if there is muon decay at all - they should be
> seeing a signal at 511 keV."
>
> Ø   Detection of radiation is not applicable to the LENR sensing
> application because LENR thermalize any radiation emitting in a wide zone
> around the LENR reaction. If this were not so, Holmlid and Rossi would be
> dead now.
>
> Not necessarily dead but maybe sick in one case. Because the muon lives a
> relatively long time, with a half-life of 2.2 microseconds, and is weakly
> interacting, muons will typically spread out in a sphere far removed from
> the reactor – a zone of washed out radiation which is in fact hundreds of
> meter in diameter, with decays interspersed in that sphere so as to be weak
> in at any one location.
>
> This might be more of a problem for Rossi - at what he claims is a
> megawatt of heat - than for Holmlid at subwatt, but possibly the radiation 
> toxicity
> to Rossi can partly explain the bizarre behavior.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:unexpectedly difficult start of the official LENR era

[Axil Axil]

The link in previous post is not functional, so here is the correction.

http://www.ectstar.eu/sites/www.ectstar.eu/files/talks/QCD-TNT-III_Shibata.pdf

Non-Abelian dual Meissner effect in SU(3) YangMills
theory and confinement/deconfinement phase
transition at a finite temperature
Akihiro Shibata
Computing research center, High Energy Research
Organization (KEK)


On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Proposition: "In fact anything coming from the energy of electron orbitals
> (chemistry) cannot access the nuclear world."
>
> There is an important principle in Physics called "Dual" that allows two
> apparently dissimilar systems to produce an analogous result. The Higgs
> field and superconductivity are dual, in that the Higgs field gives mass to
> electrons, and superconductivity gives mass to photons.
>
> The SPP produces monopole flux lines in the same way that the monopole
> quarks produce monopole flux lines and the associated monopole flux
> carriers, the gluons. The electrostatic and magnetic field are dual. It so
> happens that SPP also produce gluons because of this electrostatic and
> magnetic duality.
>
> SPPs produce a screening of the strong force through the projection of
> monopole based gluons into the nucleus that results in quark deconfinement.
> Under this mechanism, mesons are produced from protons and neutrons as the
> monopole flux line that connect quakes together weaken and eventually fail.
>
> Dual superconductivity is a promising mechanism for quark confinement.
> [Y.Nambu (1974). G.’t Hooft, (1975). S.Mandelstam, (1976) A.M. Polyakov
> (1975)]
>
> For the theory and assiated math see: ectstar.eu/sites/www.ectstar.e
> …s/QCD-TNT-III_Shibata.pdf
> ReplyDelete
> 
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Peter Gluck 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/04/apr-16-2016-unexpectedly-difficult.html
>>
>> Just published it. LENR advances, hopefully forward.
>>
>> peter
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Peter Gluck
>> Cluj, Romania
>> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Jones Beene]

From: Axil Axil  
Proposition: "However if there is muon decay at all - they should be seeing a 
signal at 511 keV."

*   Detection of radiation is not applicable to the LENR sensing 
application because LENR thermalize any radiation emitting in a wide zone 
around the LENR reaction. If this were not so, Holmlid and Rossi would be dead 
now.

Not necessarily dead but maybe sick in one case. Because the muon lives a 
relatively long time, with a half-life of 2.2 microseconds, and is weakly 
interacting, muons will typically spread out in a sphere far removed from the 
reactor – a zone of washed out radiation which is in fact hundreds of meter in 
diameter, with decays interspersed in that sphere so as to be weak in at any 
one location.

This might be more of a problem for Rossi - at what he claims is a megawatt of 
heat - than for Holmlid at subwatt, but possibly the radiation toxicity to 
Rossi can partly explain the bizarre behavior.

Re: [Vo]:unexpectedly difficult start of the official LENR era

[Axil Axil]

Proposition: "In fact anything coming from the energy of electron orbitals
(chemistry) cannot access the nuclear world."

There is an important principle in Physics called "Dual" that allows two
apparently dissimilar systems to produce an analogous result. The Higgs
field and superconductivity are dual, in that the Higgs field gives mass to
electrons, and superconductivity gives mass to photons.

The SPP produces monopole flux lines in the same way that the monopole
quarks produce monopole flux lines and the associated monopole flux
carriers, the gluons. The electrostatic and magnetic field are dual. It so
happens that SPP also produce gluons because of this electrostatic and
magnetic duality.

SPPs produce a screening of the strong force through the projection of
monopole based gluons into the nucleus that results in quark deconfinement.
Under this mechanism, mesons are produced from protons and neutrons as the
monopole flux line that connect quakes together weaken and eventually fail.

Dual superconductivity is a promising mechanism for quark confinement.
[Y.Nambu (1974). G.’t Hooft, (1975). S.Mandelstam, (1976) A.M. Polyakov
(1975)]

For the theory and assiated math see: ectstar.eu/sites/www.ectstar.e
…s/QCD-TNT-III_Shibata.pdf
ReplyDelete


On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

>
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/04/apr-16-2016-unexpectedly-difficult.html
>
> Just published it. LENR advances, hopefully forward.
>
> peter
>
> --
> Dr. Peter Gluck
> Cluj, Romania
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Axil Axil]

Proposition: "However if there is muon decay at all - they should be seeing
a signal at 511 keV."

Detection of radiation is not applicable to the LENR sensing application
because LENR thermalize any radiation emitting in a wide zone around the
LENR reaction. If this were not so, Holmlid and Rossi would be dead now.

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Axil - That is an interesting point and it is worth following up on -
> since muon decay is so energetic that even a tiny anisotropy could amount
> to the small differential on the null side. However if there is muon decay
> at all - they should be seeing a signal at 511 keV.
>
>
>
> It would be easy to confirm and intensify - since the axial magnetic field
> is small from the heater windings and could be greatly boosted by placement
> of permanent magnets (if positioned in such a way that they did not
> overheat)
>
>
>
> *From:* Axil Axil
>
>
>
> @Jones
>
>
>
> This possible heat production by the dummy is a interesting and not well
> appreciated complication of Muon production.
>
>
>
> If muons are produced by the active reactor, they could be producing heat
> in the dummy reactor.
>
>
>
> The heater could be producing a axial magnetic field the pushes most of
> the muons into the dummy reactor.
>
>
>
> This is how I beleive that the mouse/cat configuration works for Rossi.
>
>
>
> The dummy might well require complete isolation from the active reactor to
> see a valid delta temperature difference.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
> Another strange possibility to consider – with which to account for lower
> than expected performance on the active side, and in fact the null side
> being slightly warmer for a unexpected proportion of the time is this: the
> null side could be active as well in a lower temperature range.
>
>
>
> Otherwise, both sides should be almost identical. If hydrogen, even in
> trace amounts, collects on the so-called null side, and if the SPP modality
> is playing a role in excess heat, then both sides can be gainful under
> different parameters - since a metal catalyst per se is not needed – or
> stated another way, the dielectric/gas interface on the null sides
> functions as the catalyst for SPP formation.
>
>
>
> This possibility becomes far more relevant if there was anomalous
> radiation, as seems to be the case.
>
>
>
> *From:* Craig Haynie
>
>
>
> Here is a video, queued to the time shortly after the green (active)
> thermocouple became hotter than the purple (control) thermocouple. The
> control had been running a couple of degrees hotter, previously. The
> change-over occurred shortly after raising the power to the point where the
> temperature went above 1020c. The timing couldn't really have been much
> better. This occurred at 2016-04-16 02:00 UTC.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUyWnN--u7M=youtu.be=13188
>
> Craig
>
> On 04/16/2016 11:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
> This temperature differential is more meaningful than it seems since some
> of the excess heat on the active side goes to heat the null side.
>
>
>
> The basic concept of comparative calorimetry is good, and this ceramic is
> not a great conductor of heat, but there is a conductive pathway between
> the two sides, which could possibly have been made less in an improved
> design. Actually the heater wire itself could be part of the heat transfer
> problem.
>
>
>
> *From:* Craig Haynie
>
>
>
> The optical imager is typically reading between an 18c and 20c difference.
>
> Craig
>
> Eric Walker wrote:
>
> Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the fuel is
> removed, the active and null outside temperatures return to one another to
> within experimental uncertainty.  This will be critical to show before
> concluding anything.
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie 
> wrote:
>
> 60c on the latest...
>
> https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278
>
>
> On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites  wrote:
>
>
>
> I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a
> delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours,
> until I gave up.
>
>
>
> At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through the
> video, I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) slightly
> lower than the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps you're
> referring to a delta between different numbers than these?
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Jones Beene]

Axil - That is an interesting point and it is worth following up on - since 
muon decay is so energetic that even a tiny anisotropy could amount to the 
small differential on the null side. However if there is muon decay at all - 
they should be seeing a signal at 511 keV.

 

It would be easy to confirm and intensify - since the axial magnetic field is 
small from the heater windings and could be greatly boosted by placement of 
permanent magnets (if positioned in such a way that they did not overheat) 

 

From: Axil Axil 

 

@Jones

 

This possible heat production by the dummy is a interesting and not well 
appreciated complication of Muon production.

 

If muons are produced by the active reactor, they could be producing heat in 
the dummy reactor.

 

The heater could be producing a axial magnetic field the pushes most of the 
muons into the dummy reactor.

 

This is how I beleive that the mouse/cat configuration works for Rossi.

 

The dummy might well require complete isolation from the active reactor to see 
a valid delta temperature difference.

 

 

 

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

Another strange possibility to consider – with which to account for lower than 
expected performance on the active side, and in fact the null side being 
slightly warmer for a unexpected proportion of the time is this: the null side 
could be active as well in a lower temperature range.

 

Otherwise, both sides should be almost identical. If hydrogen, even in trace 
amounts, collects on the so-called null side, and if the SPP modality is 
playing a role in excess heat, then both sides can be gainful under different 
parameters - since a metal catalyst per se is not needed – or stated another 
way, the dielectric/gas interface on the null sides functions as the catalyst 
for SPP formation. 

 

This possibility becomes far more relevant if there was anomalous radiation, as 
seems to be the case.

 

From: Craig Haynie 

 

Here is a video, queued to the time shortly after the green (active) 
thermocouple became hotter than the purple (control) thermocouple. The control 
had been running a couple of degrees hotter, previously. The change-over 
occurred shortly after raising the power to the point where the temperature 
went above 1020c. The timing couldn't really have been much better. This 
occurred at 2016-04-16 02:00 UTC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUyWnN--u7M 
 
=youtu.be=13188

Craig

On 04/16/2016 11:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote:

This temperature differential is more meaningful than it seems since some of 
the excess heat on the active side goes to heat the null side.  

 

The basic concept of comparative calorimetry is good, and this ceramic is not a 
great conductor of heat, but there is a conductive pathway between the two 
sides, which could possibly have been made less in an improved design. Actually 
the heater wire itself could be part of the heat transfer problem. 

 

From: Craig Haynie 

 

The optical imager is typically reading between an 18c and 20c difference.

Craig

Eric Walker wrote:

Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the fuel is 
removed, the active and null outside temperatures return to one another to 
within experimental uncertainty.  This will be critical to show before 
concluding anything. 

 

Eric

 

 

 

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie  wrote:

60c on the latest...

https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278




On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites  wrote:

 

I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a delta T 
of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours, until I gave 
up.

 

At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through the video, 
I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) slightly lower than 
the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps you're referring to a delta 
between different numbers than these?

 

Eric

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Vo]:Fw: [teslafy] Facebook Group Postings

[Harvey Norris]

 Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances 
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/

 On Saturday, April 16, 2016 2:15 PM, "harv...@yahoo.com [teslafy]" 
 wrote:
 

     Made on April 10,2016:  to Nikola Tesla Club Chicago and Tesla Tech, 
Infinite Energy and Weird Science!Please read this commentary on how a 
ferromagnetic high voltage input transformer to a tesla coil is replaced by a 
source frequency resonant air core transformer whereby now the entire high 
frequency transformer apparatus is powered magnetically through the air, making 
it a TRUE wireless tesla coil set up. The flicker reference has a somewhat 
amusing "hypothetical" journey to Tesla's statue explaining some of the 
paradoxes by analogy involved with the machine. (Not meant to offend our 
Serbian and Croatian friends..., only hypothetical) The cited video does not 
show the components very well, only the measurements and secondary arcing with 
~10 and 20 volt alternator inputs. This can be supplemented by other videos to 
show the actual air core transformer involved if further interest exists. 
Because this method is totally different from the traditional method using a 
high voltage ferromagnetic transformer my posts to the major tesla coil 
building list such as te...@pupman.com are routinely rejected by the 
moderators. These are the cited "specialists" who already know it all. My main 
interest is DUPLICATION by other groups having the financial means to do so, as 
it is an expensive project.



 https://www.facebook.com/harvey.norris commented on an article at Wireless 
Electricity? How the Tesla Coil Works 
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   April 10 at 7:00pmTesla coils are noted for somehow magically "wirelessly" 
transferring power through the air. However even a tesla coil has stil has wire 
connections to its source of power through the high voltage transformer that 
makes it work. The average tesla coil builder may be likened to a junior high 
school student who is suddenly enrolled in college engaged in the study of 
calculus, and becoming a specialist without even completing the preliminary 
study of algebra, geometry and trigonometry. In this analogy I speak of 
skipping over the study of the basic principles of electrical resonance, and 
then becoming a specialist in what the tesla coil is, "a high frequency 
resonance." As such they may confuse simple things such as a tank circuit and 
series resonance with the more complex definitions involved with the higher 
study. Worse yet the literature on the preliminary subject is riddled with 
assumptions taken as gospel simply because it is written in a book. I did not 
persue that path of study as they did. I investigated and built the preliminary 
kinds of resonance as Tesla would have done, and found out first hand the 
pitfalls in the literature they don't talk about. I completed a study of the 
laws of "source frequency resonance" with the components I could procur at both 
the 60 hz grid frequency, and then later made studies with my own power 
supplies made at higher frequencies with motor driven 3 phase alternators. All 
of this before I ever built an actual tesla coil. My preliminary studies led me 
to many "spin off" inventions such as the flux capacitor and time distortion 
devices. When it came time to apply this knowledge to actual tesla coil(s) I 
found a method of building what might be termed a "true" wireless tesla coil of 
the highest efficiency. The wire connected "ferromagnetic" high voltage 
transformer used to supply the power (in a non resonant form) was discarded; 
and in its place a resonant component derived from what the other folks didn't 
rigorously and experimentally study; a "source frequency resonance" was used. 
Now the tesla coil(s) didn't need a wired source of power at their input end, 
instead they are powered through the air by moving (electro)magnetism created 
by the components of the source frequency resonance. The power is now passed 
through the air TWICE by using BOTH the beginning and ending principles of 
resonance. The CAPACITY that is used for both forms of resonance are shared, 
because they are engineered by design to be the same value. The CAPACITY is 
charged and then discharged by using resonance instead of a ferromagnetic 
transformer where VI in equals VI out. In fact at least a four fold expansion 
of energy in vs energy out can easily be demonstrated, and because of this the 
theorists immediately put on their horse blinders on. And there is even an 
explanation for this beyond the scope of this preliminary discourse; which is 
the CONVERSION OF TIME INTO ENERGY. Let the 

[Vo]:Re: LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Bob Cook]

It could also be that an increased magnetic field in the null reactor actually 
causes an exothermic reaction without any muons with a trace hydrogen present.  
How permeable is the Alumina for H?  If hydrogen is being depleted in the null 
reactor with time, there may be a concentration gradient of H (high outside low 
inside) that feeds the inside with hydrogen.  The H outside may come from water 
vapor in the atmosphere around the reactor, being created on the outer surface. 
 How does alumina reactor with water at the temperatures that exist?   Is there 
such a thing as aluminum hydride that forms at the outer surface and provides a 
source of H?  

Maybe considering the relative humidity of the outside atmosphere would be a 
parameter of interest?  IMHO an external (non-heating) coil to create an added 
magnetic field would also be an interesting parameter to investigate.  Some 
permanent magnets may also work to adjust the magnetic field inside the reactor.

Bob Cook

From: Axil Axil 
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 10:09 AM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: 
*GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

@Jones 

This possible heat production by the dummy is a interesting and not well 
appreciated complication of Muon production.

If muons are produced by the active reactor, they could be producing heat in 
the dummy reactor.

The heater could be producing a axial magnetic field the pushes most of the 
muons into the dummy reactor.

This is how I beleive that the mouse/cat configuration works for Rossi.

The dummy might well require complete isolation from the active reactor to see 
a valid delta temperature difference.



On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

  Another strange possibility to consider – with which to account for lower 
than expected performance on the active side, and in fact the null side being 
slightly warmer for a unexpected proportion of the time is this: the null side 
could be active as well in a lower temperature range.



  Otherwise, both sides should be almost identical. If hydrogen, even in trace 
amounts, collects on the so-called null side, and if the SPP modality is 
playing a role in excess heat, then both sides can be gainful under different 
parameters - since a metal catalyst per se is not needed – or stated another 
way, the dielectric/gas interface on the null sides functions as the catalyst 
for SPP formation. 



  This possibility becomes far more relevant if there was anomalous radiation, 
as seems to be the case.



  From: Craig Haynie 



  Here is a video, queued to the time shortly after the green (active) 
thermocouple became hotter than the purple (control) thermocouple. The control 
had been running a couple of degrees hotter, previously. The change-over 
occurred shortly after raising the power to the point where the temperature 
went above 1020c. The timing couldn't really have been much better. This 
occurred at 2016-04-16 02:00 UTC.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUyWnN--u7M=youtu.be=13188

  Craig

  On 04/16/2016 11:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote:

This temperature differential is more meaningful than it seems since some 
of the excess heat on the active side goes to heat the null side.  



The basic concept of comparative calorimetry is good, and this ceramic is 
not a great conductor of heat, but there is a conductive pathway between the 
two sides, which could possibly have been made less in an improved design. 
Actually the heater wire itself could be part of the heat transfer problem. 



From: Craig Haynie 



The optical imager is typically reading between an 18c and 20c difference.

Craig

Eric Walker wrote:

  Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the fuel is 
removed, the active and null outside temperatures return to one another to 
within experimental uncertainty.  This will be critical to show before 
concluding anything. 



  Eric







  On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie  
wrote:

  60c on the latest...

  https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278





  On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites  wrote:



  I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a 
delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours, until 
I gave up.



At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through the 
video, I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) slightly lower 
than the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps you're referring to a 
delta between different numbers than these?



Eric

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Axil Axil]

@Jones

This possible heat production by the dummy is a interesting and not well
appreciated complication of Muon production.

If muons are produced by the active reactor, they could be producing heat
in the dummy reactor.

The heater could be producing a axial magnetic field the pushes most of the
muons into the dummy reactor.

This is how I beleive that the mouse/cat configuration works for Rossi.

The dummy might well require complete isolation from the active reactor to
see a valid delta temperature difference.



On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Another strange possibility to consider – with which to account for lower
> than expected performance on the active side, and in fact the null side
> being slightly warmer for a unexpected proportion of the time is this: the
> null side could be active as well in a lower temperature range.
>
>
>
> Otherwise, both sides should be almost identical. If hydrogen, even in
> trace amounts, collects on the so-called null side, and if the SPP modality
> is playing a role in excess heat, then both sides can be gainful under
> different parameters - since a metal catalyst per se is not needed – or
> stated another way, the dielectric/gas interface on the null sides
> functions as the catalyst for SPP formation.
>
>
>
> This possibility becomes far more relevant if there was anomalous
> radiation, as seems to be the case.
>
>
>
> *From:* Craig Haynie
>
>
>
> Here is a video, queued to the time shortly after the green (active)
> thermocouple became hotter than the purple (control) thermocouple. The
> control had been running a couple of degrees hotter, previously. The
> change-over occurred shortly after raising the power to the point where the
> temperature went above 1020c. The timing couldn't really have been much
> better. This occurred at 2016-04-16 02:00 UTC.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUyWnN--u7M=youtu.be=13188
>
> Craig
>
> On 04/16/2016 11:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
> This temperature differential is more meaningful than it seems since some
> of the excess heat on the active side goes to heat the null side.
>
>
>
> The basic concept of comparative calorimetry is good, and this ceramic is
> not a great conductor of heat, but there is a conductive pathway between
> the two sides, which could possibly have been made less in an improved
> design. Actually the heater wire itself could be part of the heat transfer
> problem.
>
>
>
> *From:* Craig Haynie
>
>
>
> The optical imager is typically reading between an 18c and 20c difference.
>
> Craig
>
> Eric Walker wrote:
>
> Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the fuel is
> removed, the active and null outside temperatures return to one another to
> within experimental uncertainty.  This will be critical to show before
> concluding anything.
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie 
> wrote:
>
> 60c on the latest...
>
> https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278
>
>
>
> On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites  wrote:
>
>
>
> I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a
> delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours,
> until I gave up.
>
>
>
> At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through the
> video, I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) slightly
> lower than the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps you're
> referring to a delta between different numbers than these?
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Vo]:unexpectedly difficult start of the official LENR era

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/04/apr-16-2016-unexpectedly-difficult.html

Just published it. LENR advances, hopefully forward.

peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Bob Higgins]

Another possibility is the conduction of alumina.  Alan has measured the
electrical conductivity of alumina to increase rapidly above 900C.  The
heater coils are wound directly on the mullite reactor tube and they are
covered with thick alumina tubes.  When the outer cover alumina tube is
over 900C, it can develop a conductivity to where the outer alumina touches
the heater coils.  Then this couples a small AC current directly to the
thermocouple.  The resistance through the alumina can be in the 20k-100k
range.  When the AC heater voltage is coupled to the TC, it adds a common
mode signal to the TC input at the DAQ and causes a large noise, and can
cause offset.  The AC voltage wrt DAQ ground can be higher for one side of
the series coil-pair than the other.

In the latest measurements, noise is being seen in the active side more
than the null side (but seen in both).  Could the offset be a similar ratio
as the noise? The noise seems to be varying faster than the thermal time
constant of the system, suggesting it is electrical noise.

The additional danger is that when it cools, the conductivity of the
alumina will go away and any offset caused by AC common mode at the DAQ
could disappear, making it look as though the TC was "OK".

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Another strange possibility to consider – with which to account for lower
> than expected performance on the active side, and in fact the null side
> being slightly warmer for a unexpected proportion of the time is this: the
> null side could be active as well in a lower temperature range.
>
>
>
> Otherwise, both sides should be almost identical. If hydrogen, even in
> trace amounts, collects on the so-called null side, and if the SPP modality
> is playing a role in excess heat, then both sides can be gainful under
> different parameters - since a metal catalyst per se is not needed – or
> stated another way, the dielectric/gas interface on the null sides
> functions as the catalyst for SPP formation.
>
>
>
> This possibility becomes far more relevant if there was anomalous
> radiation, as seems to be the case.
>
>
>
> *From:* Craig Haynie
>
>
>
> Here is a video, queued to the time shortly after the green (active)
> thermocouple became hotter than the purple (control) thermocouple. The
> control had been running a couple of degrees hotter, previously. The
> change-over occurred shortly after raising the power to the point where the
> temperature went above 1020c. The timing couldn't really have been much
> better. This occurred at 2016-04-16 02:00 UTC.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUyWnN--u7M=youtu.be=13188
>
> Craig
>
> On 04/16/2016 11:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
> This temperature differential is more meaningful than it seems since some
> of the excess heat on the active side goes to heat the null side.
>
>
>
> The basic concept of comparative calorimetry is good, and this ceramic is
> not a great conductor of heat, but there is a conductive pathway between
> the two sides, which could possibly have been made less in an improved
> design. Actually the heater wire itself could be part of the heat transfer
> problem.
>
>
>
> *From:* Craig Haynie
>
>
>
> The optical imager is typically reading between an 18c and 20c difference.
>
> Craig
>
> Eric Walker wrote:
>
> Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the fuel is
> removed, the active and null outside temperatures return to one another to
> within experimental uncertainty.  This will be critical to show before
> concluding anything.
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie 
> wrote:
>
> 60c on the latest...
>
> https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278
>
>
>
> On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites  wrote:
>
>
>
> I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a
> delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours,
> until I gave up.
>
>
>
> At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through the
> video, I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) slightly
> lower than the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps you're
> referring to a delta between different numbers than these?
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Saudi Arabia to Diversify

[Terry Blanton]

That's why I asked.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: mix...@bigpond.com
To: 
Subject: [Vo]:Saudi Arabia to Diversify
Date: Fri, Apr 15, 2016 6:34 PM

In reply to  Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 15 Apr 2016 17:55:31 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
>> So, what is the provenance of "Lattice Enabled Nanoscale Reactions"? I
>> can't recall coming across that one.  Who uses it?
>>

"Nanoscale" has the advantage that it doesn't use the word "nuclear", so it's
less scary. It is also somewhat popular in that many advances nowadays seem to
be flowing from nanoscale technology.

IOW "Lattice Enabled Nanoscale Reactions" is a good PR term.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Jones Beene]

Another strange possibility to consider – with which to account for lower than 
expected performance on the active side, and in fact the null side being 
slightly warmer for a unexpected proportion of the time is this: the null side 
could be active as well in a lower temperature range.

 

Otherwise, both sides should be almost identical. If hydrogen, even in trace 
amounts, collects on the so-called null side, and if the SPP modality is 
playing a role in excess heat, then both sides can be gainful under different 
parameters - since a metal catalyst per se is not needed – or stated another 
way, the dielectric/gas interface on the null sides functions as the catalyst 
for SPP formation. 

 

This possibility becomes far more relevant if there was anomalous radiation, as 
seems to be the case.

 

From: Craig Haynie 

 

Here is a video, queued to the time shortly after the green (active) 
thermocouple became hotter than the purple (control) thermocouple. The control 
had been running a couple of degrees hotter, previously. The change-over 
occurred shortly after raising the power to the point where the temperature 
went above 1020c. The timing couldn't really have been much better. This 
occurred at 2016-04-16 02:00 UTC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUyWnN--u7M 
 
=youtu.be=13188

Craig

On 04/16/2016 11:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote:

This temperature differential is more meaningful than it seems since some of 
the excess heat on the active side goes to heat the null side.  

 

The basic concept of comparative calorimetry is good, and this ceramic is not a 
great conductor of heat, but there is a conductive pathway between the two 
sides, which could possibly have been made less in an improved design. Actually 
the heater wire itself could be part of the heat transfer problem. 

 

From: Craig Haynie 

 

The optical imager is typically reading between an 18c and 20c difference.

Craig

Eric Walker wrote:

Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the fuel is 
removed, the active and null outside temperatures return to one another to 
within experimental uncertainty.  This will be critical to show before 
concluding anything. 

 

Eric

 

 

 

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie  wrote:

60c on the latest...

https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278





On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites  wrote:

 

I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a delta T 
of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours, until I gave 
up.

 

At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through the video, 
I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) slightly lower than 
the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps you're referring to a delta 
between different numbers than these?

 

Eric

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [Vo]:Saudi Arabia to Diversify

[Ruby]

It is a European name, and possibly came from the Defkalion work.
they did not want to use the nuclear word.

I first encountered the term in use by Peter Gluck.


On 4/15/16 12:56 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
So, what is the provenance of "Lattice Enabled Nanoscale Reactions"? I 
can't recall coming across that one.  Who uses it?


--
Ruby Carat
Eureka, CA USA
r...@coldfusionnow.org
www.coldfusionnow.org
lenrexplained.com

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Craig Haynie]

Here is a video, queued to the time shortly after the green (active) 
thermocouple became hotter than the purple (control) thermocouple. The 
control had been running a couple of degrees hotter, previously. The 
change-over occurred shortly after raising the power to the point where 
the temperature went above 1020c. The timing couldn't really have been 
much better. This occurred at 2016-04-16 02:00 UTC.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUyWnN--u7M=youtu.be=13188

Craig

On 04/16/2016 11:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote:


This temperature differential is more meaningful than it seems since 
some of the excess heat on the active side goes to heat the null side.


The basic concept of comparative calorimetry is good, and this ceramic 
is not a great conductor of heat, but there is a conductive pathway 
between the two sides, which could possibly have been made less in an 
improved design. Actually the heater wire itself could be part of the 
heat transfer problem.


*From:*Craig Haynie

The optical imager is typically reading between an 18c and 20c difference.

Craig

Eric Walker wrote:

Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the
fuel is removed, the active and null outside temperatures return
to one another to within experimental uncertainty.  This will be
critical to show before concluding anything.

Eric

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie
> wrote:

60c on the latest...

https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278


On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites > wrote:

I have to say. This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C
they had a delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled
cell that lasted for hours, until I gave up.

At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped
through the video, I always saw the "Outside heater active"
(the green line) slightly lower than the "Outside heater null"
(purple line). Perhaps you're referring to a delta between
different numbers than these?

Eric

RE: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Jones Beene]

This temperature differential is more meaningful than it seems since some of 
the excess heat on the active side goes to heat the null side.  

 

The basic concept of comparative calorimetry is good, and this ceramic is not a 
great conductor of heat, but there is a conductive pathway between the two 
sides, which could possibly have been made less in an improved design. Actually 
the heater wire itself could be part of the heat transfer problem. 

 

From: Craig Haynie 

 

The optical imager is typically reading between an 18c and 20c difference.

Craig

Eric Walker wrote:

Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the fuel is 
removed, the active and null outside temperatures return to one another to 
within experimental uncertainty.  This will be critical to show before 
concluding anything. 

 

Eric

 

 

 

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie  wrote:

60c on the latest...

https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278




On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites  wrote:

 

I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a delta T 
of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours, until I gave 
up.

 

At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through the video, 
I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) slightly lower than 
the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps you're referring to a delta 
between different numbers than these?

 

Eric

 

 

 

 

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Craig Haynie]

The optical imager is typically reading between an 18c and 20c difference.

Craig

On 04/16/2016 11:03 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the fuel 
is removed, the active and null outside temperatures return to one 
another to within experimental uncertainty.  This will be critical to 
show before concluding anything.


Eric


On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie 
> wrote:


60c on the latest...

https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278


On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites > wrote:

I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C
they had a delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell
that lasted for hours, until I gave up.


At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped
through the video, I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the
green line) slightly lower than the "Outside heater null" (purple
line).  Perhaps you're referring to a delta between different
numbers than these?

Eric

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Eric Walker]

Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the fuel is
removed, the active and null outside temperatures return to one another to
within experimental uncertainty.  This will be critical to show before
concluding anything.

Eric



On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie 
wrote:

> 60c on the latest...
>
> https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278
>
>
> On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites  wrote:
>
> I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a
>> delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours,
>> until I gave up.
>>
>
> At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through the
> video, I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) slightly
> lower than the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps you're
> referring to a delta between different numbers than these?
>
> Eric
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Craig Haynie]

60c on the latest...

https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278


On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites > wrote:


I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they
had a delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that
lasted for hours, until I gave up.


At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through 
the video, I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) 
slightly lower than the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps 
you're referring to a delta between different numbers than these?


Eric

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Eric Walker]

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites  wrote:

I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a delta
> T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours, until I
> gave up.
>

At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through the
video, I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) slightly
lower than the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps you're
referring to a delta between different numbers than these?

Eric

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Craig Haynie]

How does one calculate the margin of error  for the temperature?

When I look at the calibration data, I can calculate the standard 
deviation between the temperatures for the entire calibration run at 
1.5%. If I compare the difference in the thermocouples during the actual 
run, then 50c difference is between 3 and 4 standard deviations from the 
calibration, and 60c, (which occured for a few minutes), is over 4 
standard deviations from the calibration.


Is this the correct way to calculate error?

Craig

On 04/16/2016 09:15 AM, Craig Haynie wrote:

Now 60c

On 04/16/2016 07:19 AM, Craig Haynie wrote:

Now 50c.



On 04/16/2016 03:01 AM, CB Sites wrote:
I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had 
a delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for 
hours, until I gave up.




On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Che > wrote:





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfAJv-jhCY8=em-lbcastemail-np

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Craig Haynie]

Now 60c

On 04/16/2016 07:19 AM, Craig Haynie wrote:

Now 50c.



On 04/16/2016 03:01 AM, CB Sites wrote:
I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating. At 1000+C they had a 
delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for 
hours, until I gave up.




On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Che > wrote:





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfAJv-jhCY8=em-lbcastemail-np

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Craig Haynie]

Now 50c.



On 04/16/2016 03:01 AM, CB Sites wrote:
I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a 
delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for 
hours, until I gave up.




On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Che > wrote:





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfAJv-jhCY8=em-lbcastemail-np

Re: [Vo]:Who replicated cold fusion at first?

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Jed, This is so well written, interesting and depressing in the same
time- LENR is so much more than electrochemistry!
However I am asking you for permission to offer it to the readers of Ego
Out Blog- WITH or WITHOUT my comments, as you wish.
Thanks!
Peter

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 11:18 PM, Jed Rothwell 
wrote:

> A reporter asked me: "Who replicated cold fusion first?" Here is my
> answer, which people here might find amusing.
>
>
> Most of the high quality academic scientific work on cold fusion was done
> in the 1990s. Most of the researchers are now dead. They were the crème de
> la crème of twentieth century electrochemists. People such as Bockris, who
> wrote the book on modern electrochemistry *; Yeager, for whom they named
> the institute after he died **; and Martin Fleischmann FRS. Most leading
> electrochemists tried the experiment, and they all succeeded. They tried it
> because they all knew Martin Fleischmann personally. Electrochemistry is a
> small world.
>
> People who were not electrochemists, and who did not include
> electrochemists in their research teams, failed to replicate. For example,
> 20 of the big-name particle physics labs and plasma fusion labs failed for
> that reason. In one case they confused the anode and the cathode. *** That
> precludes success -- to say the least. Expecting a plasma fusion researcher
> to succeed in cold fusion is like expecting an electrochemist to build a
> tokamak reactor.
>
> * "Modern Electrochemistry," Vols. 1 and 2.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Electrochemistry-Ionics-2nd-Edition/dp/030642
>
> ** Ernest B. Yeager Center for Electrochemical Sciences
> http://chemistry.case.edu/department/research/yces/
>
> *** Other examples described on p. 11:
> http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJlessonsfro.pdf
>



-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[CB Sites]

I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a delta
T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours, until I
gave up.



On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Che  wrote:

>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfAJv-jhCY8=em-lbcastemail-np
>