On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
First - we need to know for sure if there are absolutely zero gammas during
operation or not. Bianchini says zero from the best available testing. Rossi
says some, but offers no data; and DGT says some, but offers no
Lou,
On your first point -
Electron Capture events [energy+p+e -- n+v] occur in the nucleus
and respect conservation laws. Are we sure they cannot also occur in
extremely energetic complex plasmons?
EC cannot occur with hydrogen, period.
Never, Nada, No way. Not in QM, not in classical,
why need capture of neutrino, they don't talk of capture, but like you say
of emission...
except the energy, nothing is lost.
as usual if one of the particle is very energetic/heavy, it solve the
equation
about the needed energy scale, far from the thermal level, the key factor
is group
From: Alain Sepeda
why need capture of neutrino, they don't talk of capture,
but like you say of emission...
except the energy, nothing is lost. as usual if one of the
particle is very energetic/heavy, it solve the equation
But
Jones,
There too many theories to be partisan. They all may be wrong.
First - E-C cannot occur in hydrogen.
Probably true, but plasma is not hydrogen.
Plasma e-p wave functions are not stationary.
Second - I agree - relativistic collisions can be ruled out.
That's why I conjectured direct
in don't understand your idea that a neutrinon cannot be produced.
the neutrino can be produced with the neutron, because it transports the
leptonic number.
about the spin, electron an proton holds 2 half spins, and the neutrino and
the neutro holds the same.
the only big and real problems is
Alain,
I am trying to find minimal semi-classical models for W-L theory.
Quantum W-L theory requires intense local e-m fields.
Metallic nano-structures can super-focus coulomb and magnetic fields.
Surface probes show huge amplifications at nano-sized hotspots - even
after 2-Dimensional filtering
]:A brief, semi-classical take on Widom-Larsen theory
Alain,
I am trying to find minimal semi-classical models for W-L theory.
uantum W-L theory requires intense local e-m fields.
Metallic nano-structures can super-focus coulomb and magnetic fields.
urface probes show huge amplifications at nano-sized
-Original Message-
From: pagnucco pagnu...@htdconnect.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:A brief, semi-classical take on Widom-Larsen theory
Alain,
I am trying to find minimal semi-classical models for W-L theory.
Quantum W-L
Not sure where you are going with this - but the simple explanation of all
is it cannot happen, due to conservation of spin.
Two half-spin fermions cannot fuse to form a half-spin neutron. Otherwise
hydrogen would be unstable and spontaneously form neutrons.
From: David Roberson
don't forget the neutrino, that take away the half spin and the leptonic
number.
this reaction happens in some condition.
people interested in WL should read ALL their papers and slides, because
many critics here and on nextbigfuture are addressed.
the slides refers to many recognized resulst
pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:A brief, semi-classical take on Widom-Larsen theory
Not sure where you are going with this - but the simple explanation of all
s it cannot happen, due to conservation of spin.
Two half-spin fermions cannot fuse to form a half-spin neutron. Otherwise
ydrogen would be unstable
From: David Roberson
I am beginning to get the impression that you are not a fan
of the Widom Larsen theory.
Well - all of us on vortex would love to be able to focus on a consistent
theory that works. W-L theory seems to be a continuing waste of our time for
understanding
jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 6:49 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:A brief, semi-classical take on Widom-Larsen theory
Not sure where you are going with this - but the simple explanation of all
s it cannot happen, due to conservation of spin.
Two half-spin
Too many points to address.
Perhaps, the Celani-Srivastava presentation at the March 22 CERN LENR
Colloquium will discuss them, since Srivastava is a proponent.
Jones Beene wrote:
Well - all of us on vortex would love to be able to focus on a consistent
theory that works. W-L theory seems
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From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com
I don't understand Jones Beene's point.
If correct - how do neutrons decay into e-, p+ and neutrino?
Yes, that is correct - and spin is conserved on neutron decay. Since you are
going from a more massive neutron to a less massive
Jones,
On your first point -
Electron Capture events [energy+p+e -- n+v] occur in the nucleus
and respect conservation laws. Are we sure they cannot also occur in
extremely energetic complex plasmons?
On your second point - Energy must come from somewhere.
The formulas in the two papers I
if you red WL theory, they say that the neutrons are generated
from coherents pairs of p+e, and the result is a group of possible neutrons
widely distributed among the coherents p, thus slow and delocalized
a kind of schodinger cat gang
most are alive, but one is dead, but nobody knows which, so
W-L LENR theory claims ultra-low momentum neutrons (ULMNs) are created
- quite surprising if due to high kinetic energy e-p collisions.
Overcoming the electroweak effective potential barrier that repels
an electron from a proton (= udu 'quark bag') requires 780 KeV.
Can slow (non-relativistic)
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