Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion

2011-11-25 Thread Peter Gluck
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 2:02 AM, Bastiaan Bergman bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi group, As a physicist I feel obliged to spread the word on cold fusion and explain what it is to the general public. In that attempt I wrote the linked paper, please have a look and give me your blunt

Aw: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion

2011-11-25 Thread peter . heckert
- Original Nachricht Von: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 25.11.2011 09:07 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion Rossi tries to convince the world that his system is quite different from Piantelli's but Piantelli was the first to discover

Re: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion

2011-11-25 Thread Peter Gluck
What can be patented was patented by Piantelli, 2 patents out the 3rd coming next October. To notice that the phenomenon is not specific for Ni, many other transition metals are also usable. I have read many patents and in the moment I see a blunder like 5000 deg Celsius - this is a warning for

Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion

2011-11-25 Thread peter . heckert
- Original Nachricht Von: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 25.11.2011 10:22 Betreff: Re: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion [snip] I will try to get information re the work with metalhydrides at the Plank Institute I liked very much the idea from

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

2011-11-25 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
Rossi's behavior is quite coeherent with a soft-paranoid version. Scam is not defendable. let's imagine the option. MY say, there are no clients, or fake client (actor, friend of scam). if no client, no cash from clients. (as say MV here) where from ? from investors ? no public share sales...

Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion

2011-11-25 Thread peter . heckert
- Original Nachricht Von: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 25.11.2011 10:22 Betreff: Re: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion [snip] I will try to get information re the work with metalhydrides at the Plank Institute I liked very much the idea from

Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion

2011-11-25 Thread Marcello Vitale
Very interesting, indeed. Thank you, Peter. Four observations a) MgH2 is more stable than NiHn: Mg might simply suck up the hydrogen b) nonetheless, it is on the surface of Ni powder particles that H2 breaks up more easily, hence the rationale to use Ni as catalyst for MgH formation and

[Vo]:Re:external: Metallic Hydrogen

2011-11-25 Thread peter . heckert
Hi, got this per mail. I forward this to the list on request by the author. Hope I did the subject line correctly. - Original Nachricht Von: Pekka Janhunen pekka.janhu...@fmi.fi An: peter.heck...@arcor.de Datum: 25.11.2011 09:50 Betreff: Re: Metallic Hydrogen Hi, two

[Vo]:Official E-Cat reactor specs revealed

2011-11-25 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
http://ecat.com/ecat-products/ecat-1-mw ECAT 1 MW Plant is made up of smaller modules where the actual reactor is the size of 20 cm x 20 cm x 1 cm. These small reactors are coupled in modules of 3 pieces each, then these modules in turn are built into a 20‘ container with a series of 52

[Vo]:Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from E-Cat

2011-11-25 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
The E-Cat keeps getting better and better. I like 450 deg C steam very much: http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/11/andrea-rossi-working-with-domenico-fioravanti-on-electrical-power-from-e-cat/ Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from E-CatNovember 25, 2011 Andrea

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from E-Cat

2011-11-25 Thread vorl bek
Aussie Guy quotes Rossi: “Actually, we have found a breakthrough with a primary fluid with which the reactors remain stable when we make steam at 450 Celsius. Since lead melts at 327 Celsius, is there some lead alloy that would keep it solid at 450?

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from E-Cat

2011-11-25 Thread vorl bek
Berke Durak wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:50 AM, vorl bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: Since lead melts at 327 Celsius, is there some lead alloy that would keep it solid at 450? What's wrong with tungsten? You tell me.

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from E-Cat

2011-11-25 Thread peter . heckert
- Original Nachricht Von: vorl bek vorl@antichef.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 25.11.2011 14:50 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from E-Cat Aussie Guy quotes Rossi: ?Actually, we have found a

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from E-Cat

2011-11-25 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-11-25 14:50, vorl bek wrote: Since lead melts at 327 Celsius, is there some lead alloy that would keep it solid at 450? I think that, more simply, the reactor core could be surrounded by a jacket made of a metal/alloy of a higher melting temperature, containing lead which would

Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion

2011-11-25 Thread Rich Murray
Hello Bastiaan Bergman, As a pragmatic skeptic re cold fusion since December, 1996, I hope you pay some attention to the contributions on Vortex-L by Cude, Heffner, and Yugo -- it is reasonably argued that no public data yet succeed in confirming excess heat in the many Rossi demos... within

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-25 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
FYI i've found this FAQ http://faq.ecat.com/113090/i-was-wondering-if-you-may-inform-us-as-to-the-amount-of-hydrogen-that-will-be-required-to-run-an-ecatfor/ say that for 24h the 10kW e-cat use 0.2g of H... it is hard to interpret about Ni... the 0.2g might be just the fixed value to fill the Ni

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

2011-11-25 Thread Rich Murray
Cude's careful examination of the details of the October 28 demo prove that excess heat was specifically not established by the data, according to his obvious, simple analysis of how fast a large increase in reactor core temperature could heat the large thermal mass of the cooling water flow --

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from E-Cat

2011-11-25 Thread Berke Durak
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:50 AM, vorl bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: Since lead melts at 327 Celsius, is there some lead alloy that would keep it solid at 450? What's wrong with tungsten? -- Berke Durak

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

2011-11-25 Thread Marcello Vitale
Rich, JC does say a lot of things about Oct. 28, mostly having to climb mirrors because, really, he does not seem to have ever so much as boiled water in a pot, and the data from Oct. 28 are particularly few. Regardless, he has only the secret investors bound to tight secrecy contracts as

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

2011-11-25 Thread Sean True
I'm not sure anyone has pointed out the IP advantages to Rossi of selling his initial plants to the US military. Unlike the Chinese army or the Iranian republican guard, the US military is not in the business of reverse engineering, or of lowest cost procurement. For mission critical components,

[Vo]:New state of matter discovered

2011-11-25 Thread David ledin
This sounds like cold fusion New state of matter discovered http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15876145

Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion

2011-11-25 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
the critics could look ok when anomaly was around 20W and below % with old instruments. maybe even critics could not sustain honest check (accusing a chemist of failing heat computation, is like accusing an accountant to break a balance). with reports, if they are honest, like the one about the

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from E-Cat

2011-11-25 Thread Robert Lynn
Or just use a thicker layer of another metal that doesn't melt? Iron is super cheap, but if you need high atomic number then there is ferro tungsten iron alloy (predominantly tungsten), there is also lead glass that melts 600°C On 25 November 2011 14:14, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: -

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

2011-11-25 Thread Robert Lynn
Most interesting is the clear evidence for D-D fusion to make He4 in Pd systems, none of this Nickel transmutation business. Does that mean that it is more likely to be H-H fusion making deuterium in Ni-H systems? The deuterium would be very hard to detect as a reaction product. On 25 November

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

2011-11-25 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
moreover Deuterium is known to be a killing contaminant of Ni-H cells... maybe is it why the fuel have to be changed despite very few is used? i'm curious to know why the Ni fuel have to be change every 6month, while it is very little consumed? it is cooked (crytal lattice modified by heat,

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

2011-11-25 Thread Charles Hope
That's enough with the personal attacks. So the client is the American military, who has hired Fioravanti to take possession of their goods, and though the branch wants to keep their identity secret, it nevertheless insisted on the publicity of the October 28th test? Am I clear? On Nov

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

2011-11-25 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Rossi has said it becomes too much Cu. I seem to recall he said the fuel was 30% Cu after 6 months and 60% Cu after 12 months. AG On 11/26/2011 2:33 AM, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote: moreover Deuterium is known to be a killing contaminant of Ni-H cells... maybe is it why the fuel have to be

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

2011-11-25 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Rossi has said the 1st customer does US military research, their 1 MW E-Cat is installed in the US and they have ordered 13 more. Who they are working for is anybodies guess. To me it seems clear they were hired to test the E-Cat at a place away from Rossi (who did the install, is doing the

[Vo]:Official 1 MW E-Cat brochure is released

2011-11-25 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
I'm please to release this document: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B__Wi_DF2CjJNTMyZTdlYjAtYzM3OC00ZGFjLTlkMjAtOWFkYWExODI4NmQ3 AG

[Vo]:Only the Paranoid Survive

2011-11-25 Thread James Bowery
The last book published by Intel founder Andrew S. Grovehttp://www.amazon.com/Andrew-S.-Grove/e/B000AQ48KWwas titled Only the Paranoid Survive. Senility or experience?

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

2011-11-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: So the client is the American military, who has hired Fioravanti to take possession of their goods, and though the branch wants to keep their identity secret, it nevertheless insisted on the publicity of the October 28th test? Where did you

RE: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

2011-11-25 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Jed: ... Additional comments about Rossi at the beginning of the QA segment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWkVyg_iul4 He discusses Rossi's business plans and his frequency generator. He says Rossi is the master of misdirection. He is brilliant and his business strategy is

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-25 Thread Bastiaan Bergman
tnx Giancarlo, for pointing this out! I think what this means is that he uses a separate bottle for demonstrations versus his own testing. maybe he has a big bottle that is hard to weight but more practical in daily operation? Maybe the hydrogen is a red Herring all together? the small amounts

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

2011-11-25 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: So the client is the American military, who has hired Fioravanti to take possession of their goods, and though the branch wants to keep their identity secret, it

Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion

2011-11-25 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 25.11.2011 13:54, schrieb Marcello Vitale: Very interesting, indeed. Thank you, Peter. Four observations a) MgH2 is more stable than NiHn: Mg might simply suck up the hydrogen b) nonetheless, it is on the surface of Ni powder particles that H2 breaks up more easily, hence the rationale to

RE: [Vo]:Official 1 MW E-Cat brochure is released

2011-11-25 Thread Jones Beene
What a crock ! I'm 99% certain that Bushnell has not authorized that his name be used for this, and that you will see this crap pulled immediately - followed by strong legal action. Be glad you are in Oz, if you are... -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat I'm please to release

[Vo]:Brain Cloud

2011-11-25 Thread Terry Blanton
Gnorts, Piantelli's theory of NiH reactions involves the nuclear capture of a H- ion by Ni and the resulting emission of alphas, protons and Auger electrons. This video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efgy1bV2aQo has an excellent demonstration of alpha emission by radium gas within a cloud

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

2011-11-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know only Rossi wanted publicity, and not much of that. He did not get much, because he did not reveal much. That does not seem to bother him. I think most of the invitations to the Oct. 28 event were presents to his friends. You mean like

Re: [Vo]:It's Alive!

2011-11-25 Thread Ron Wormus
You know if it's really an RF signal it would likely require coaxial cable, need to be impedance matched, and run at way more than the stated 300ma. I suspect he is driving some sort of piezo crystal maybe in ultrasound range. Ron --On Friday, November 25, 2011 12:01 AM -0500 Terry Blanton

RE: [Vo]:New state of matter discovered

2011-11-25 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From David This sounds like cold fusion New state of matter discovered http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15876145 Interesting read. Excerpt: According to Professor Putterman's experiments, the plasma goes through a phase transition - analogous the melting of ice to water.

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

2011-11-25 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: On one sense this was an historic event, but from the point of view of an organization like the AP it was not newsworthy. If they had believed this was really a one megawatt nuclear fusion reactor using nickel and

Re: [Vo]:Official 1 MW E-Cat brochure is released

2011-11-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: I'm 99% certain that Bushnell has not authorized that his name be used for this, and that you will see this crap pulled immediately - followed by strong legal action. That is incorrect. Bushnell is a public figure. Any government official is. What he

[Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-25 Thread Mary Yugo
I didn't originate this. I reprint it with minor changes from ecatnews.com. quote starts here *--- A curious note about the “famous” guaranteed COP of 6. Energy required to heat 1 kg of water from 20 to 100 °C (80 degrees difference)= 4.181 kJ * 80 = 335 kJ Latent heat of vaporisation of

Re: [Vo]:Official 1 MW E-Cat brochure is released

2011-11-25 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: I'm 99% certain that Bushnell has not authorized that his name be used for this, and that you will see this crap pulled immediately - followed by strong legal action. That is

Re: [Vo]:Brain Cloud

2011-11-25 Thread Terry Blanton
Oops! That should say radon gas. The Americium is neat also. T

Re: [Vo]:Official 1 MW E-Cat brochure is released

2011-11-25 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-11-25 18:00, Jones Beene wrote: I'm 99% certain that Bushnell has not authorized that his name be used for this[...] I was thinking the same. That phrase has also been taken out of context. This brochure lacks substance by the way. There are no complete real photos of the 1MW power

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

2011-11-25 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 25-11-2011 17:13, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Rossi has said it becomes too much Cu. I seem to recall he said the fuel was 30% Cu after 6 months and 60% Cu after 12 months. On 11/26/2011 2:33 AM, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote: moreover Deuterium is known to be a killing contaminant of Ni-H

Re: [Vo]:New state of matter discovered

2011-11-25 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 25.11.2011 16:27, schrieb David ledin: This sounds like cold fusion New state of matter discovered http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15876145 Why do they use phosphoric acid? I think, when it is liquid (above 42,35 °C) it should be conductive like water. Does this possibly

RE: [Vo]:Official 1 MW E-Cat brochure is released

2011-11-25 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Beene What a crock ! I'm 99% certain that Bushnell has not authorized that his name be used for this, and that you will see this crap pulled immediately - followed by strong legal action. Be glad you are in Oz, if you are... If I were in Bushnell's shoes I'd be pretty steamed

[Vo]:To Patent or Not Patent Natural law. That is the question.

2011-11-25 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:50 AM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Natural laws cannot been patented. I think natural laws should be patentable. They result from human effort and they are useful whether are not deemed to be objectively true. A patented natural law would not prevent people from

RE: [Vo]:Official 1 MW E-Cat brochure is released

2011-11-25 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed sez: Jones Beene:   I'm 99% certain that Bushnell has not authorized that his name be used for this, and that you will see this crap pulled immediately - followed by strong legal action. That is incorrect. Bushnell is a public figure. Any government official is. What he says in public

Re: [Vo]:Official 1 MW E-Cat brochure is released

2011-11-25 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 25-11-2011 18:37, Akira Shirakawa wrote: This brochure lacks substance by the way. There are no complete real photos of the 1MW power plant, very little technical info on it and almost nothing on the underlying processes other that it essentially runs on cold fusion. And who is

Re: [Vo]:To Patent or Not Patent Natural law. That is the question.

2011-11-25 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:50 AM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Natural laws cannot been patented. I think natural laws should be patentable. What do you think about patenting human tissue without compensating

Re: [Vo]:To Patent or Not Patent Natural law. That is the question.

2011-11-25 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 25.11.2011 18:57, schrieb Harry Veeder: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:50 AM,peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Natural laws cannot been patented. I think natural laws should be patentable. They result from human effort and they are useful whether are not deemed to be objectively true. A patented

Re: [Vo]:To Patent or Not Patent Natural law. That is the question.

2011-11-25 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:50 AM,  peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Natural laws cannot been patented. I think natural laws should be

Re: [Vo]:To Patent or Not Patent Natural law. That is the question.

2011-11-25 Thread vorl bek
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: What do you think about patenting human tissue without compensating the former owner?  For example HeLa cells? I don't know anything

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

2011-11-25 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 07:41 AM 11/8/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: I understand why he does not trust people. He has had a painful life and he has often been betrayed and unjustly persecuted. For example, one of the charges they sent him to jail for was defrauding the stockholders. He himself was the only

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

2011-11-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: For example, one of the charges they sent him to jail for was defrauding the stockholders. He himself was the only stockholder, so this was Kafkaesque. Someone in the Italian justice system had it in for him. Does anyone have a link for that? No,

Re: [Vo]:To Patent or Not Patent Natural law. That is the question.

2011-11-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
By the way, the U.S.P.O. jargon for this is a force of nature. You cannot patent a force of nature, meaning a newly discovered law of physics or physical effect, such as the Seebeck effect, Peltier effect and Thomson effect. In other words, Seebeck, Peltier and Thomson would not be allowed to

Re: [Vo]:Official 1 MW E-Cat brochure is released

2011-11-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Except that, if I am not mistaken, Bushnell was talking about cold fusion in general and not, as the lame brochure suggests, about the E-cat in particular. Using a quote inappropriately to mislead is probably not within their rights. I am not a lawyer

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

2011-11-25 Thread Peter Gluck
Lack of a patent is one side of the vulnerability. The other, even more important the stealability, guessability of his solution (catalyst). Is it something so awfully difficult as that shown in the nice old (1966( movie- How to steal a million with Audrey Hepburn and poeter OToole or is it

Re: [Vo]:Official 1 MW E-Cat brochure is released

2011-11-25 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Except that, if I am not mistaken, Bushnell was talking about cold fusion in general and not, as the lame brochure suggests, about the E-cat in particular. Using a quote

Re: [Vo]:Brain Cloud

2011-11-25 Thread Peter Gluck
And Piantelli et al's experimental results show the same things as the theory or vice versa. Quite unusual... Peter On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Gnorts, Piantelli's theory of NiH reactions involves the nuclear capture of a H- ion by Ni and the

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

2011-11-25 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: For example, one of the charges they sent him to jail for was defrauding the stockholders. He himself was the only stockholder, so this was Kafkaesque. Someone in the Italian

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

2011-11-25 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 25.11.2011 20:20, schrieb Peter Gluck: Lack of a patent is one side of the vulnerability. The other, even more important the stealability, guessability of his solution (catalyst). I think they intentionally made their scientific publication and their patent in such a way that it will be

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from E-Cat

2011-11-25 Thread Patrick Ellul
Just a note : it was I who picked up on his comment during the podcast and asked for further detail on jonc. On Nov 26, 2011 12:36 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: The E-Cat keeps getting better and better. I like 450 deg C steam very much:

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

2011-11-25 Thread Peter Gluck
The degree of correlation of Rossi's problems with the law and the efficiency of the E-cats is an open question. The definition from this writing can be applied here: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/01/first-seed.html However this idea of intelligence can be used but also abused. I have a

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

2011-11-25 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 25.11.2011 21:01, schrieb Peter Gluck: The degree of correlation of Rossi's problems with the law and the efficiency of the E-cats is an open question. The definition from this writing can be applied here:http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/01/first-seed.html However this idea of

Re: [Vo]:Kullander Nov. 23 lecture slides (mostly in Swedish)

2011-11-25 Thread Mary Yugo
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Can you read English? Please show me where I was advocating one of those dubious breakthroughs! I wasn’t advocating anything. How you got that notion from my posting is a mystery to me! **

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

2011-11-25 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: There are others that replicated the experiments and got no certainty. Citations, please? The cleansing of Ni of resident gases is arduous and necessary. Do these replications follow that protocol? T

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

2011-11-25 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:38 AM 11/25/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: Indeed. And I am sure you saw the large catalog of charges and convictions Rossi has amassed -- I forget where the cite is for that at the moment but it was quite impressive. You can read Rossi's version on the Krivit site. And you can read in

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

2011-11-25 Thread Peter Gluck
I have the certainty because I and some other friends have seen the cells working and giving excess heat. I have certainty because what Piantelli says and does has a logical consistency and I have followed the development for long years and it was development, was progress. This does not mean that

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

2011-11-25 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 25.11.2011 21:37, schrieb Peter Gluck: I have the certainty because I and some other friends have seen the cells working and giving excess heat. I have certainty because what Piantelli says and does has a logical consistency and I have followed the development for long years and it was

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

2011-11-25 Thread Peter Gluck
Have you read Piantelli's publications see my Taxonomy on the blog Ego Out and on lenr-canr, there are many.papers. What do you think about the Pontignano Poster I have sent today? If you read these you will not ask why the hydrides do not give this effect. The poker play analogy has absolute no

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from E-Cat

2011-11-25 Thread mixent
In reply to vorl bek's message of Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:50:56 -0500: Hi, [snip] Aussie Guy quotes Rossi: “Actually, we have found a breakthrough with a primary fluid with which the reactors remain stable when we make steam at 450 Celsius. Since lead melts at 327 Celsius, is there some

[Vo]:How to make a clean blackboxtest for thermal overunity.

2011-11-25 Thread Peter Heckert
Its so simple. A Black Box Test must be made like this: Energy in -- [Blackbox] -- Energy out. The content of the blackbox may been kept secret. Even more, the content of the blackbox /must/ been kept secret. This means no assumptions about the contents of the blackbox are allowed. Anything

RE: [Vo]:Kullander Nov. 23 lecture slides (mostly in Swedish)

2011-11-25 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Mary wrote: If I call you to come see I can fly and I sit there and flap my arms, and I do this or different people do this a hundred times, are you going to come the hundredth and first? The example isn't quite so silly as it seems if you remember the claims for transcendental meditation and

Re: [Vo]:Official 1 MW E-Cat brochure is released

2011-11-25 Thread ecat builder
Dennis Bushnell gave a very pro-LENR presentation at the NASA LENR Workshop held at GRC on September 22, 2011. I think he may become a powerful ally of LENR. There is no hint that Bushnell thinks the Rossi E-Cat may be a scam--only that he has a very early model of a very important new energy

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from E-Cat

2011-11-25 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
I appreciate your efforts. AG On 11/26/2011 6:28 AM, Patrick Ellul wrote: Just a note : it was I who picked up on his comment during the podcast and asked for further detail on jonc. On Nov 26, 2011 12:36 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Only the Paranoid Survive

2011-11-25 Thread Ahsoka Tano
Andy Grove at about eight one Saturday morning-too early. I gave him the pros and the cons, and in the middle he stopped me and said, Steve, I don't give a shi t about Apple. Any wonder Apple have designed their own processors A4, A5 (manufactured by Samsung) for iphones and ipads and Intel is

Re: [Vo]:How to make a clean blackboxtest for thermal overunity.

2011-11-25 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.dewrote: Its so simple. A Black Box Test must be made like this: Energy in -- [Blackbox] -- Energy out.SNIP Exactly as you say in your details and precisely what Rossi will not allow anyone to do.

RE: [Vo]:Official 1 MW E-Cat brochure is released

2011-11-25 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Ecat sez: Dennis Bushnell gave a very pro-LENR presentation at the NASA LENR Workshop held at GRC on September 22, 2011. I think he may become a powerful ally of LENR. There is no hint that Bushnell thinks the Rossi E-Cat may be a scam--only that he has a very early model of a very important

Re: [Vo]:Kullander Nov. 23 lecture slides (mostly in Swedish)

2011-11-25 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Mary wrote: “If I call you to come see I can fly and I sit there and flap my arms, and I do this or different people do this a hundred times, are you going to come the hundredth and first?   The example

[Vo]:Rossi, owner of the company through the EFA Ltd. has signed the €500,000 w/ Department of Physics Univ Bologna

2011-11-25 Thread Ahsoka Tano
According to this Italian article, the deed is done. Isn't this proof that there was a buyer of the mega-eCat and that Rossi has the money to sign the contract with UniBol? The entrepreneur Andrea Rossi, owner of the company through the EFA Ltd., Department of Physics and signed the contract

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi, owner of the company through the EFA Ltd. has signed the €500,000 w/ Department of Physics Univ Bologna

2011-11-25 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Ahsoka Tano ashot...@gmail.com wrote: According to this Italian article, the deed is done.  Isn't this proof that there was a buyer of the mega-eCat and that Rossi has the money to sign the contract with UniBol? The entrepreneur Andrea Rossi, owner of the

RE: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

2011-11-25 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Rick, I see a LOT of opinions commentary being expressed in the links you supplied. However, it's not clear to me if those are opinions you have personally arrived at, or whether you are continuing to cite the opinions of others. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com

Re: [Vo]:To Patent or Not Patent Natural law. That is the question.

2011-11-25 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Am 25.11.2011 18:57, schrieb Harry Veeder: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:50 AM,peter.heck...@arcor.de  wrote: Natural laws cannot been patented. I think natural laws should be patentable. They result from human

Re: [Vo]:To Patent or Not Patent Natural law. That is the question.

2011-11-25 Thread Harry Veeder
I would argue that the law of nature known as the conservation of momentum is a specific implementation of the force of nature known as the property of inertia. Of course, since the law of CoM has been in the public domain since the 19th century, it would not be patentable today. The question is

Re: [Vo]:To Patent or Not Patent Natural law. That is the question.

2011-11-25 Thread Harry Veeder
I meant since the 18th century or even earlier. On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, since the law of CoM has been in the public domain since the 19th century, it would not be patentable today. The question is really about future laws. Harry

RE: [Vo]:Overview of (Ahern) Vibronic Energy Technologies Approach

2011-11-25 Thread Jones Beene
This is an absolutely fascinating hypothesis, Lou - yet it so intricately complex that it would be a surprise if more than a few multi-disciplinary thinkers will invest the time and study necessary to grasp the ultimate significance. DNA, proteins, amino acids - all of the important molecules of

Re: [Vo]:Official 1 MW E-Cat brochure is released

2011-11-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Ah yes. But maybe the Sniffex case (fake explosive detector) gives a clue as to how some judges proceed. At the preliminary hearing of the case in which Sniffex sued Randi for libel when he called the device a fraud . . . You have a talent for non

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi, owner of the company through the EFA Ltd. has signed the €500,000 w/ Department of Physics Univ Bologna

2011-11-25 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
The article says that the experiments would start after the first installment of the 500 K is paid. What is worrisome is the last sentence were it is said that the scientists from Bologna would use Rossi's industrial hangar to check the equipment that Rossi would make available to the

Re: [Vo]:Official 1 MW E-Cat brochure is released

2011-11-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: You have a talent for non sequiturs. You are talking about a COMPLETELY UNRELATED topic. To review: Topic 1. The use of Bushnell's statement in this brochure, and how that might be treated in a court case. I meant in a court case in which Bushnell or NASA is suing to have the

Re: [Vo]:To Patent or Not Patent Natural law. That is the question.

2011-11-25 Thread Harry Veeder
I wrote: The natural laws form a map of the universe. The map is not the territory, so just as owning a map is not the same thing as owning the terrority, owning the natural laws does not mean you own the whole universe. humm ... the grand narrative for interpreting natural law was

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

2011-11-25 Thread Rich Murray
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 4:58 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Rick, I see a LOT of opinions commentary being expressed in the links you supplied. However, it's not clear to me if those are opinions you have personally arrived at, or whether you are

[Vo]:what else came out of Bologna?

2011-11-25 Thread fznidarsic
http://www.hulu.com/watch/87174/milestones-in-science-and-engineering-guglielmo-marconi-wireless-telegraphy

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

2011-11-25 Thread Rich Murray
Predictions are very dicey, especially about the future -- evidence very fallible, especially unsubmitted, especially nonexistent -- conclusions rather premature, especially imagined... while the feverish delirium of racing on hobby horses suggests dreaming -- the joint production evolving as a

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

2011-11-25 Thread Axil Axil
*However Rossi has said in the past that Deuterium kills the reaction.* If the conjecture that coherent entanglement is involved in the LENR reaction, then mixing bosons and fermions will stymie the formation of the associated condensate Nitrogen is known to kill the Ni-H reaction. I will

RE: [Vo]:Kullander Nov. 23 lecture slides (mostly in Swedish)

2011-11-25 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Mary stated, There is nothing in any discipline I know about suggesting that either of those tasks are doable. Your argument was OK up to this point because you qualified it with [that] I know about I have absolutely no problem with that statement. Then your subjective bias came in and

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

2011-11-25 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
seems reasonable to fear that kind of problem. could reduce/kill the diffusion of that technology to small home units , and globally increase the price. the good point of price, is that it is not raw materials, but work, unlike middle-east oil and alike. the governance of that energy shall be

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