Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Jed Said: "No, as I told you several times, I pointed to the paper Penon published on the internet. In my opinion, it shows he is an idiot. You can read it yourself. Perhaps you will disagree." My issue is the evaluation of what was done before the contract was signed and what was done after it

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Hi Jed, thanks for your extended reply, I'm also far from being able todo the HVAC calculations so respect you have an experts input and are better informed than me about what is possible. Thanks also for the link rsbiomass. To be fair the pictures of the Bosch plant I think we're for 38 MW

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Hi Jed, The kilns I have been near are smaller ones for ceramic crafts and artwork, but I wonder if something like this can be applicable. https://www.vpbay.com/product/pellet-burner-kiln/ I'm far from knowledgable about industrial applications but I guess it's not so simple to match a boiler

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

a.ashfield wrote: I doubt anyone outside IH and Rossi's camps knows what happened. > Actually, several people know, including me. At least, we know what both sides claim. I.H. says there is no heat, and Rossi claims the heat is 50 times input. That is not to say I.H. is

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Finally, here is a reality check. Rossi's customer is a listed as a > chemical distribution warehouse. Do you think a chemical distributor can > use enough process heat for a good-sized factory? I doubt it! This is >

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Hi Jed Regarding the waste heat, you mentioned that all the waste heat can't be transferred to the water? But surely if the heat source is inside the water tank it can only be transferred to the water. Isn't this how we do calorimetry? As long as the water tank was insulated for 120 deg C and

[Vo]:some info , too many "bad" discussions

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/05/may-14-2016-lenr-some-info-too-many.html that's for today; I do not complain... A fine weekend to you all, Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Jed, You say that Gluck arguments are childish. You need a mirrot. Your statements,including label people as idiots, based on information you say is confidential, is of th e same level i heard in the sandbox many years ago. It is not a question of taking sides. IH have provided very little

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

lenr-forum.com sheds some more light. Apparently Darden visited the Lugano team to explain that they got erroneous results and no heat was generated.. (Confirmed by Mats Lewan ) It seems they had thermocouples that they used intermittently and found the readings disagreed with the IR

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

I doubt anyone outside IH and Rossi's camps knows what happened. IH did not specify the 1 MW plant didn't work in their statement, although Jed has said he was told it didn't. What they said was they could not reproduce the results. This could mean the IP they received from Rossi was not

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Stephen Cooke wrote: Regarding the waste heat, you mentioned that all the waste heat can't be > transferred to the water? But surely if the heat source is inside the water > tank it can only be transferred to the water. Isn't this how we do > calorimetry? > Look at

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Axil Axil wrote: Why did IH allow Penon to remain the ERV if he was incompetent or > dishonest? Why did IH allow the test to continue with a flawed calorimetry > plan? Why wasn't the calorimetry design changed to the satisfaction of IH > early on in the test? > I do not

[Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Jed-- You noted that: “Think about it for a moment. Rossi says the machine is producing 50 times input. I.H. says it is producing no heat. One of them has to be drastically wrong. Completely, utterly mistaken, and grossly incompetent. Or, perhaps, fraudulent. There is no middle ground here.’

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

It seems to me that calorimetry is a weak subject to base a defence on. Nether the judge or any of the jury will have even heard the word let alone understand why the ERV messed it up. The layers for the defence will need a expert witness to educate the court on what is good and what is ill in

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 11:00 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > Jed-- > > You noted that: > > > > > > THE AGREEMENT DOES NOT REQUIRE PRODUCING 50 TIME THE INPUT ENERGY. > > > If the COP is less than four, the amount paid is reduced proportionately. So a COP of 1,1 could still make

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Axil Axil wrote: Jed States: > > "If the ERV say in court that he thinks the terms were met, he should pack > his bags and take the first airplane for Italy as soon as he leaves the > stand, to avoid being arrested for perjury and fraud." > > This judgement seems to be very

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

But there is a contradiction here since IH accepted that the Rossi reactor does produce gainful heat to the tune of $11,500,000. This payment was made on response to the demonstration of a COP 6 or above for a 24 hour period as defined in the license agreement. You must be in error in your

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Why did IH allow Penon to remain the ERV if he was incompetent or dishonest? Why did IH allow the test to continue with a flawed calorimetry plan? Why wasn't the calorimetry design changed to the satisfaction of IH early on in the test? Did you ash your contacts at IH these questions? What did

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Hi, On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Bob Cook wrote: I would note that all the Agreement called for is a COP of 4. > The second amendment to the agreement modified this detail to stipulate, as I understand it, a graduated payment for a COP between 2.6 and 6, with the

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Axil Axil wrote: > Jed or another could negotiate the COP down but by how much is the > question. 50 is really high to come down from. > I cannot negotiate anything. I have no standing in this and no role. I am not a professional HVAC engineer licensed in Florida, so no

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Thanks Jed, You are modest, but I know your understanding of Calorimetry far exceeds mine, and much of this is over my head so thanks for your patience. I suppose if the heater was immersed and surrounded by water the heat would either transfer through the water by conduction, convection or

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Axil Axil wrote: The Judge is going to ask IH if they gave the ERV absolute authority as the > agent of arbitration to determine if the terms of the licence agreement > were met. Then the Judge will ask the ERV if he has determined if the terms > of the Licence agreement were

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

No Jed, I make no false statements. I make no statements at all, except thar you judge people based on poor basis and that you want to be believed based on confidential information. That you then attack others, for not swallow your conclusions without wondering about its credibility, is not above

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

The Judge is going to ask IH if they gave the ERV absolute authority as the agent of arbitration to determine if the terms of the licence agreement were met. Then the Judge will ask the ERV if he has determined if the terms of the Licence agreement were met. The ERV will say that in his expert

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Bob Cook wrote: Adrian-- > > I think it is a simple as Rossi using his skill (art not IP) at operation > and tuning the proper conditions which is not part of the IP he agreed to > transfer. IH technicians have not learned the art yet . . . No, it is much simpler than

[Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Adrian-- I think it is a simple as Rossi using his skill (art not IP) at operation and tuning the proper conditions which is not part of the IP he agreed to transfer. IH technicians have not learned the art yet, and, as others not proficient in the art of operating a E-Cat, are not able to

[Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Axil-- Rossi has asked for a jury trial. The judge only listens to the arguments on either side and decides if they are appropriate. The Jury will decide whether or not the intent of the agreement was met. I would agree the wording will be important to the decision of the Jury. I am not

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Stephen Cooke wrote: I guess/hope we don't need to wait too long now before things are resolved > and hopefully become clearer. > If the past few years are anything to go by, I think the opposite assumption is a safer one. Eric

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

How do you know that this trial will be a jury trial? Reference? On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > > > Axil-- > > Rossi has asked for a jury trial. The judge only listens to the arguments > on either side and decides if they are appropriate. The Jury

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

The ERV made two rulings first to award 1.5 million to Rossi and then another $10,000,000 based on his judgement that the Rossi reactor worked. This sets a precedent that IH accepted the judgment of the ERV as competent, impartial, valid and binding. But now when it comes down the billion dollar

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Axil Axil wrote: The ERV made two rulings first to award 1.5 million to Rossi and then > another $10,000,000 based on his judgement that the Rossi reactor worked. > This sets a precedent that IH accepted . . . > Again let me point out you are not a lawyer, you know nothing

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Jed States: "If the ERV say in court that he thinks the terms were met, he should pack his bags and take the first airplane for Italy as soon as he leaves the stand, to avoid being arrested for perjury and fraud." This judgement seems to be very harsh, cruel, damaging, and severe. This statement

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Jed, Well, he might accept it in return for a large sum of money. > Why would IH pay a large sum of money for something that produced no excess energy whatsoever? Thank you for your insight. Patrick

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Hi Jed, I wonder if I'm missing something? You said a the 1 MW ecat plant would cook people in the warehouse? I'm for sure no boiler expert but I have recently checked on line and if we look at other boilers with other heat sources it seems that steam boilers of MW size are rather typical for

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Stephen Cooke wrote: Hi Jed, I wonder if I'm missing something? You said a the 1 MW ecat plant > would cook people in the warehouse? I'm for sure no boiler expert but I > have recently checked on line and if we look at other boilers with other > heat sources it seems

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Lennart Thornros wrote: > Your statements,including label people as idiots, based on information you > say is confidential . . . > No, as I told you several times, I pointed to the paper Penon published on the internet. In my opinion, it shows he is an idiot. You can read