RE: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces

Axil— I agree with much of your assessment of the Rossi effect, what you call the Rossi reactor. I agree that there is a history of high temperature reactions, but many of these have been associated with the Pd-D system, which I consider entails a different physical mechanism

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> > I agree with much of your assessment of the Rossi effect, what you call > the Rossi reactor. I agree that there is a history of high > temperature reactions, but many of these have been associated with the Pd-D > system, which I consider entails a different physical mechanism

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

This entire episode leaves me with a sour taste within my mouth. Perhaps it is time to take a rest from researching LENR until matters improve. So much hope dashed! Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell To: Vortex Sent: Wed,

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There are multiple third party validations. Rossi's methods and approach have been verified in part by his many replicators. This is not to say that Rossi's reactor or any LENR reactor for that matter can be commercialized due to heavy subatomic particle emissions. This includes R. Mills and the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

The last time a battle of this magnitude took place, it was the Wright brothers and all the slimy weasels like Curtiss who were trying to steal their IP. It went on for a long time with no end in sight until the guvmint stepped in for the sake of the war effort in Europe, so we could make

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

Axil Axil wrote: As produced by IH, the spin, astroturfing and propaganda that LENR has seen > is just a foretaste of the effort that will be put forward by the > oil/gas/coal/wind/solar industries when LENR goes public. > Axil: You said that he has not read the Penon

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

… I am still trying to convince the group to take another crack at it, with a more sophisticated radiation measurement that requires some building and a small amount of funding. ***That means you have not been pursuing it. It's been 4 years and basically no mention on the MFMP blog. Even if

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I don't remember writing a post that personally attacked Jed. If I did, let anybody please repost it here. Jed does tend to get excessively emotional and carried away. I would like to remember if I deserve such a lambasting. Both Rossi and IH descended into a war of words, IH more effectively

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This is not how a socialist talks. This is all due capitalism, name calling different times in the class struggle. These are all synonyms, made by those who are afraid of seeking revolution. 2017-07-07 18:02 GMT-03:00 Che : > > > Neoliberal age of oligarchic

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As produced by IH, the spin, astroturfing and propaganda that LENR has seen is just a foretaste of the effort that will be put forward by the oil/gas/coal/wind/solar industries when LENR goes public. Grid yourself for the storms ahead. Jeremiah 1:17 You therefore gird up your loins, and arise, and

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On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Adrian Ashfield wrote: > > According to Abd... "All claims dropped on both sides. It is as if the > suit was never filed. > > The IP and license are not mentioned. As Rossi was apparently pleased I > deduce something has changed in the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

In case youse hadn't noticed -- this ENTIRE saga has moved FAR, far beyond mere scientific research (no surprise, there). This little drama involves, politics. It involves 'The Law'. It involves public relations, popular Science, and not a few other contexts. So it does NOT make some people here

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I consider transmutation as a LENR success. Excess heat is a low order effect. Even Ken Shoulders got transmutation results using EVO interactions with hydrogen loaded palladium. Most of the energy produced in LENR goes into the production of subatomic particles. On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 6:18 PM,

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

One of the cool things about cold fusion in a 500 year outlook is that it makes for a very ineffective weapon. Even fire is a more effective weapon. You know why potatoes became a crop of choice in Europe? Because when a king's army sieged your castle and burned your crops, there were still

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

Clueless, DEAD wrong, AND delusional. All in one email post! Great work, Jed. On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I wrote: > > >> If I succeed at promoting cold fusion and it becomes generally used, I >> shall play an important role in changing the

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

Che wrote: > Clueless, DEAD wrong, AND delusional. All in one email post! > That is not what I would call a cogent response, but I appreciate the brevity of it. You needn't say more, since your responses are canned and never deviate from party doctrine. - Jed

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Look at the bright side people. Now that the trial is over, the Rossi will come with his new products with full force!!! IH will also push people into the show with full force!!! I think that both IH and Rossi are staging a circus and dragging people into the show and taking money from investors.

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Jed Rothwell wrote Axil: There are multiple third party validations No, there are not. Every one of them that I know about in detail was a failure. There were a few initial claims of replications but they were either retracted or proven wrong. The most recent one was the MFMP

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 8:57 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > Celani detected gamma rays when Rossi's reactor got started, and Rossi > came down hard on him for bringing a Geiger counter. So yes, there was a > Nuclear event occuring in Rossi's apparatus for at least that short

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On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 6:51 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > Yup, this is just the first battle in the patent wars. It will last > decades until some billionaire steps in. > Oligarchic 'Capitalism' (parasitism) does not HAVE decades. But maybe none of the rest of us do,

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There is one conclusion that can be drawn. Rossi submitted all kinds of information to the court docket, under oath. The claim against him was fraud. The legal burden of proof in a civil case is "preponderance of the evidence". IH obviously couldn't even meet that level of proof. The legal

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Axil Axil wrote: I don't remember writing a post that personally attacked Jed. > Yeah? Who the hell are you accusing of "spin, astroturfing and propaganda produced by I.H." if not me? Who else? If you are not accusing me, you are accusing other people who support I.H., which

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Axil Axil wrote: There are multiple third party validations. > No, there are not. Every one of them that I know about in detail was a failure. There were a few initial claims of replications but they were either retracted or proven wrong. The most recent one was the MFMP

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

I wrote: > If I succeed at promoting cold fusion and it becomes generally used, I > shall play an important role in changing the world more than Marxism and > Capitalism combined. > That sounds like hyperbole, but I mean it. I think that Marxism and capitalism are both on their way out. As we

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

Rossi is the latest LENR guy who has $signs in his eyes. Patterson was a solid example of that. I like the hope that MFMP offers to circumvent that problem. As soon as they verify a LENR experiment that many who have the means can do in our garages, the cat is out of the bag. MIT Professor

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

i agree with Jed. I myself played a leading role in attacking Rossi at LENR Forum. If you accuse me of being opposed to cold fusion or being duped somehow to think there is problem with Rossi where no such problem exists, I say you are contemptible, you know nothing about me, and you have not

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> The Swedes have arguably lost as much as Rossi in having ruined careers > over their mistakes at Lugano. Yet, even now they have the incentive, skill > and the resources to replicate, but have failed to do so. > How is it that scientists should ruin entire careers, simply over having been wrong

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What about the $10 million payment, what about the Lugano test and the IH patent that IH produced using Lugano as proof of function. https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2015127263=1==PCTDescription Inventors are listed as Andrea Rossi and Thomas Barker Dameron. On Fri,

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

I wrote: Yes, we (MFMP) did pursue the “Gamma Ray Thing” (we made an unsuccessful replication attempt, and I myself have not given up on it), and we cannot say there was excess heat, because the apparent excess heat was less than the error of the crude calorimeter measurement… …

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

You are trolling. Or you lack objectivity. If you cannot explain something that simple to someone very educated, you are pretty worthless to explain anything to a working person. 2017-07-07 19:59 GMT-03:00 Che : > > Clueless, DEAD wrong, AND delusional. All in one

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

Yup, this is just the first battle in the patent wars. It will last decades until some billionaire steps in. On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > As produced by IH, the spin, astroturfing and propaganda that LENR has > seen is just a foretaste of the effort

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Axil Axil wrote: I consider transmutation as a LENR success. Excess heat is a low order effect. No problem with that and certainly no problem with Kevin's advocacy for looking primarily for radiation effects. In fact, radiation without large transmutation is the best of all worlds, so long

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On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 12:08 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > You don't know how to answer that, because that is the plain truth. > > 2017-07-06 23:49 GMT-03:00 Che : > >> >> Blah, blah, blah... not worth replying to. >> WTF am I ignoring. You're just

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from recent data, taking any conclusion on Rossi's claims is at best risky, and to be honest, baseless. 2017-07-07 3:01 GMT+02:00 Axil Axil : > What the Rossi experiments has shown over many years is that LENR in a > lattice is not workable because the reaction cannot be

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

Kevin O'Malley wrote: There was a software package called "cold fusion" which can obscure the > results as well as the interest. > It turns out this is not an issue with ngram. "ColdFusion" the programming language is one word with peculiar capitalization, and ngram is

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I posted the first ngram search incorrectly. Ngram is case sensitive unless you check the box on the right. Plus, I think I should not have put "cold fusion" in quotes. I am not sure how the quote sign works in ngram. Here is a new search comparing LENR (all caps) to "cold fusion" (no quotes):

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First time I was called anti communist. LOL. I've seen revisionist, tankie and all the crap. 2017-07-07 7:20 GMT-03:00 Che : > > > > People here do not want to see me get into a tiresome, useless argument > with a know-nothing anti-communist puhtz like you. > Simple.