Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-10-09 Thread H Veeder
Sorry, I did not reply sooner. Thanks for the interest. Except for my encounters with Maxwell's demon this field is all new to me. Unfortunately I don't know anything about semiconductor theory. I found Sheehan's proposed epicatalytic method for violating of the second law of thermodynamics

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-29 Thread Teslaalset
A much wider set of principles can be found in patent applications by George Samual Levy. In particular his published provisional filing 61567455 which can be obtained at http://portal.uspto.gov/pair/PublicPair is intreaging, My personal interest goes to the solid state versions of his claimed

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-24 Thread H Veeder
The Paradigm Energy website is now empty (although you can still download the papers at the links given on the MFMP page). In the comments section Ryan Hunt explains why: That website has since been taken down. :( They decided not to do their research openly in the interest of being able to

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-15 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.redwaveenergy.com/Index.html Competing technology On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:07 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, my use of the term 'equilibrium' is probably technically incorrect in this situation since they say the systems they study are non-equilibrium

RE: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-15 Thread Roarty, Francis X
, 2014 11:05 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox From: H Veeder Suppose epicatalysis can cycle between hydrogen and shrunken hydrogen instead of just between H2 and H. That would be the logical progression to Mills’ view, especially

RE: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-15 Thread Jones Beene
One more thing to add. Absorption/adsorption of hydrogen is usually exothermic - and degassing is usually endothermic. The balance of the two is zero. That much is usually true, with an emphasis on ”usually”. In hydrogen storage technologies, heat is usually added in order to release hydrogen.

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The “pore storage” of course invokes the dynamical Casimir effect. It can be exothermic. Would those be very small pores? I believe the Casimir effect only occurs in very small dimensions. - Jed

RE: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-15 Thread Jones Beene
Yes, the geometry is very specific – 2-12 nanometers. Higher or lower spacing is no good. In fact, buckyballs (C60) are just a bit too small to experience a Casimir effect, but some forms of CNT (nanotubes) can be part of a Casimir anomaly. For comparison purposes, a sphere of this size

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-15 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.simonsfoundation.org/quanta/20140818-at-multiverse-impasse-a-new-theory-of-scale/ Regarding the phase change of scale, as the size of things change, a new theory states that mass, length and energy are effected by a phase change in scale. The laws of physics that should be applied to

RE: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-15 Thread Roarty, Francis X
[mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 10:47 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox Yes, the geometry is very specific – 2-12 nanometers. Higher or lower spacing is no good. In fact, buckyballs (C60) are just a bit too

RE: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-15 Thread Jones Beene
In terms of surface adsorption and surface plasmonics, in “Enhanced Epicatalysis” - if the surface of the catalyst were to naturally form into Casimir sized cavities, due to impact dynamics … and given the millibar pressure level of hydrogen, we would expect to see perhaps only one molecule of

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-14 Thread Teslaalset
I just wonder whether they took into account that Tungsten at 2000K and 1 Torr likely absorbs Hydrogen. Absorption of Hydrogen into metal lattices is an exothermic mechanism. Nothing mentioned in their report. On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-14 Thread H Veeder
​If equilibrium conditions were met shouldn't the contribution of heat from adsorption vanish?​ Harry On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 6:25 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote: I just wonder whether they took into account that Tungsten at 2000K and 1 Torr likely absorbs Hydrogen.

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-14 Thread H Veeder
If epicatalysis systems exist which can produce a higher temperature from just ambient temperature without any additional input power then COP in terms of heat output is infinity which is meaningless. By analogy applying the COP measure to a naturally occurring waterfall gives infinity...except

RE: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-14 Thread Jones Beene
Wow. Can’t keep the two threads separated… $20 million to the winner ? Nice incentive. It might be fun to merge this thread into the X-Prize thread, with the aim of framing a system which would look a little like Sheehan’s and a little like Cravens’, with Arata and Ahern thrown in for good

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-14 Thread H Veeder
​​ This is a theory paper that is available on their website ​ which isn't linked to on MFMP website​ : ​Epicatalysis: Nonequilibrium Heterogeneous Catalysis in the Long Mean Free Path Regime​ http://jointheparadigm.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/EpicatalPRE.pdf ​​quote It is curious that

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-14 Thread H Veeder
Suppose epicatalysis can cycle between hydrogen and shrunken hydrogen instead of just between H2 and H. Harry On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: YES! Thanks for posting this, Harry. Epicatalysis is a good name for a more general phenomenon which can

RE: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-14 Thread Jones Beene
From: H Veeder Suppose epicatalysis can cycle between hydrogen and shrunken hydrogen instead of just between H2 and H. That would be the logical progression to Mills’ view, especially if UV was present - except RM sez there is no shuttling, just a one-way, but strongly bonded shrunken

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-14 Thread H Veeder
Actually, my use of the term 'equilibrium' is probably technically incorrect in this situation since they say the systems they study are non-equilibrium stationary systems. What I mean is that if enough time passed then any heat associated with absorption would spread throughout the system and

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-13 Thread H Veeder
The authors have set up an open source organisation to develop the _epicatalysis_ phenomena which they believe is producing the heat. http://jointheparadigm.com/what-is-epicatalysis/ Harry On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 2:47 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Research (published in the peer

RE: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-13 Thread Jones Beene
YES! Thanks for posting this, Harry. Epicatalysis is a good name for a more general phenomenon which can replace the idea that LENR must involve fusion. This does not mean that there cannot be some forms of LENR which do involve fusion, but it opens the door for another branch of LENR

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-13 Thread David Roberson
This result seems reasonable since a hot black body can emit IR radiation from its surface. This process is in effect changing internal thermal heat energy into radiation energy which can be harnessed to perform work. I have long pondered this apparent loophole. Dave -Original

RE: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-13 Thread Jones Beene
In the earlier Sheehan paper abstract, I was struck by the fact that this would be possible to achieve perpetual motion, if one could find an almost perfect mirror reflector of IR (gold works well to 1.5 microns). Does anyone have the full paper? Funny thing - they mention a Crookes radiometer

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-13 Thread H Veeder
The COP measure by itself is inadequate for evaluating the productivity of such systems. Carnot efficiency (which will exceed 100%) should be included in the measure somehow. harry On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: YES! Thanks for posting this, Harry.

RE: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-13 Thread Jones Beene
I do not have a problem with low apparent COP at this early stage. BTW – we should step back and relook at the Cravens NI-Week demo in the context of Epicatalysis, and as an example of something similar but more robust than Sheehan. Cravens was getting much higher COP, at modest temps. There

RE: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-13 Thread Jones Beene
While we are on the subject of Second Law violators - Ken Rauen published an interesting article in Infinite Energy magazine which discusses the history of the Second Law and some known exceptions and comes to the final conclusion that what has been known about the behavior of heat and entropy,

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-13 Thread Nigel Dyer
My son (doing a theoretical physics PhD) tends to quote Pirates of the Caribbean on this and say that it is not so much a rule as more what you'd call guidelines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6kgS_AwuH0 Nigel On 13/09/2014 19:47, H Veeder wrote: Research (published in the peer reviewed

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-09-13 Thread Terry Blanton
Interesting how similar the description is to the Casimir effect.