On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:26 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
How many ebola virus can you fit into a droplet in a sneeze or cough???
Does it matter? It takes only one.
WHO contradicted CDCP by saying that you can get ebola from a sneeze:
On 10/09/2014 10:40 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
WHO contradicted CDCP by saying that you can get ebola from a sneeze:
http://www.naturalnews.com
If it's in saliva, then why wouldn't it be in a sneeze?
Craig
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To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
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On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:26 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
How many ebola virus can you fit into a droplet in a sneeze or cough???
Does it matter
There is lots of evidence that this can get past biohazard containment
procedures:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/10/07/after-nurse-contracts-ebola-spanish-health-workers-raise-concerns-about-protective-equipment/
If this strain is so infectious that this is so, then
The big problem is the virus can live on surfaces that have been in contact
with bodily fluids.
A would-be suicide bomber could do enormous damage during one day on the
NYC subways.
Someone has to be offering life insurance policies against death by Ebola
but I can't imagine how they could set
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To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Oct 8, 2014 10:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season
There is lots of evidence that this can get past biohazard containment
procedures:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/10/07/after-nurse-contracts
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There is lots of evidence that this can get past biohazard containment
procedures:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/10/07/after-nurse-contracts-ebola-spanish-health-workers
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 8 Oct 2014 23:40:42 -0400:
Hi,
Is it possible that most people have a natural immunity to the virus that
prevents them from getting the disease? Those few that are not immune then
would be the ones that have a low survival rate.
If this were the
Additionally some people get it but are apparently symptom-less beyond a
light touch of the flu.
This could very well be a nutrition issue, such that those with
insufficient nutrition fail.
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 5:16 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed,
Hopefully. Or maybe not. If they are ambulatory and have a light touch
of the flu they are spreading the virus to people who are not so immune
for a lot longer duration than if they started exhibiting unmistakable
symptoms of Ebola.
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:45 PM, John Berry
.
How many ebola virus can you fit into a droplet in a sneeze or cough???
-mi
From: James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 9:53 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season
Hopefully. Or maybe not. If they are ambulatory and have
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:00 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
There are two rays of hope here:
1) That the high rate of infection in Africa will allow evolution toward
greater ambulatory transmission of the virus. This sounds nonsensical at
first but you need to understand
I wrote:
There was this relevant detail in an NYT story about the man with Ebola who
flew into Dallas: ...
To update the number of people who may have come into contact with the
fellow from West Africa with Ebola who flew into Dallas, it appears we're
talking about ~ 100 people rather than
I wrote:
Apparently the apartment has not yet been disinfected, because Texas is
having trouble finding a contractor to do the work. ...
Some more interesting details from the article I forgot to link to [1]:
- The number of ~ 100 people who may have come into contact with the
fellow
Finally!
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-symptoms-prompt-hospitals-to-brace-for-patients-amid-flu-season/
Hospitals brace for patients with Ebola worries
People hear about flu symptoms, they're not paying attention, they haven't
been near anybody with Ebola or in an Ebola country, they haven't
Now it turns out this patient #1 knew he was infected.. and just
wanted world-class, spare-no-expense treatment in the US. I can't
blame him.
Time to cancel travel visas and ban non-humanitarian travel from
infected countries.
Some interesting tips and info at this site.. http://ebolaready.com/
The US is susceptible to a Ebola outbreak because a large percentage of the
population is health care adverse. This grope of poor people has no health
insurance or cannot afford the expense of a long term hospital stay because
of sickness. This substantial segment of the population will ignore a
In the movie Contagion, large public arenas are converted into triage and
containment facilities.
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From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season
Date: Fri, Oct 3, 2014 2:44 PM
This was written in august before the current case of Ebola in the United
Sates but it compares Ebola to other diseases which spread more easily.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/05/ebola-worrying-disease
quote
Far more worrying are diseases that spread exponentially: if one
It seems that Mega doses of Vitamin C are very promising:
http://exopolitics.blogs.com/ebolagate/2014/09/combating-ebola-how-to-fight-ebola-with-vitamin-c-ascorbic-acid.html
Vitamin C is needed to make collagen that keeps your blood on the inside.
Ebola causes Vitamin C to drop to Zero until the
Seems the human-infectious form of Ebola was patented back in 2010 by a US
government lab (CDC): http://www.google.com/patents/CA2741523A1?cl=en
Claims:
1. An isolated hEbola virus comprising a nucleic acid molecule...
2. An isolated hEbola virus having Centers for Disease Control
I imagine that the hEbola virus is build, and not a natural variant...
Just make a similar one and you get around the patent
I suspect that some of the claims are not defendable since it is not clear
enough for replication ... especially (5) which is not self evident but is
a process in itself.
Couldn’t resist this, on a balmy day …
Looks like Gilead, the big Pharma located not far from here - which
conspiracy-theory pundits say is poised to become the IG Farben of the New
World Order, seems to have its foot in the ebola door, as expected.
I don't take conspiracy, except the one of stupidity seriously, because the
only horrors that are being planned are public and popular.
however if you imagine that some conspiracy is using a disease to establish
a control of our freedoms and destinies, you should not use the software of
WW2, V
You want conspiracy???
http://exopolitics.blogs.com/breaking_news/2014/08/for-ebola-they-built-drive-through-gas-chambers.html
Basically the PCR test is 100% effective at registering positive when
tested on someone who has Ebola.
It has never been tested on someone without Ebola.
So does it
The patient in Texas was put in one of the available hospital
isolation units and the 3 paramedics have been put into a 21 day
isolation at home. But the CDC admits that this patient may have
infected others. How long would it take to fill all the isolation
units, doctors are infected, and all the
There are two rays of hope here:
1) That the high rate of infection in Africa will allow evolution toward
greater ambulatory transmission of the virus. This sounds nonsensical at
first but you need to understand evolutionary medicine and optimal
virulence. There is a good chance the virus will
Brad Lowe ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote:
It was just two weeks ago Obama said it would be unlikely that Ebola
would reach the US.
Well, cases were already brought here, deliberately, to Atlanta. As they
should have been.
If you took that to mean, not a single case of Ebola will reach the US
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/world/africa/ebola-spreading-in-west-africa.html
There was this relevant detail in an NYT story about the man with Ebola who
flew into Dallas:
Officials said Wednesday that they believed
They could instill confidence quite simply by issuing the following
statement:
As President Obama has declared this to be a national security emergency,
by executive order $10 billion of the DoD budget has been reallocated to
contain the contagion. $5 billion will go to Eiken Chemical Co. for
I think humanity is closing in on the realization that all of this pulsed
electromagnetic radiation ( 2 billion watts or more in the US) is actually
bad for us. The '70s heralded Ebola with the advent of microwave point to
point communications in Africa communities. I think they are cooking the
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Early symptoms of Ebola are flu-like and it is contagious during these
flu-like symptoms.
Well, they are flu-like but far more severe. Once the person comes down
with a full blown case, no one would confuse it with ordinary flu. It is
more like the 1918
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
I think humanity is closing in on the realization that all of this pulsed
electromagnetic radiation ( 2 billion watts or more in the US) is actually
bad for us.
That is not likely to be causing the epidemic in Africa. It did not cause
the 1918 pandemic.
Africa was not in the midst of a flu epidemic so they were able to screen
for flu like symptoms as a trigger for quarantine. Moreover your assertion
that there are discernible differences between this season's flu symptoms
and those of early stage Ebola is not only reckless, the aforelinked CDC
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
That's is completely wrong! The CDC is within sight of my office and I
know people who work there. News from the CDC is in the Metro section of
Atlanta newspapers often. I assure
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Moreover your assertion that there are discernible differences between
this season's flu symptoms and those of early stage Ebola is not only
reckless, the aforelinked CDC guidelines provide nothing in the way of such
criteria.
I did not say that. I
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
You just tangled with the wrong guy, Jed.
I was the one who contacted the authors of Nature's cover story on AIDS
epidemiology (May et al) in 1987 to correct their model -- and guess how I
knew about the error?
Some grad students at the U of IL had
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
...discernible differences between this season's flu symptoms and those
of early stage Ebola is not only reckless, the aforelinked CDC guidelines
provide nothing in the way of
Here is a good article about how ebola would be treated in the U.S.:
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/08/what-would-happen-if-someone-got-ebola-in-america/375928/
This is how it was, in fact, treated recently in Atlanta, when two infected
doctors were airlifted in. One of them was
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
... It is not possible to tell at an early stage without extensive testing
And:
1) They are shedding virus during this stage
2) There has been no mention of flu season in CDC documents about Ebola
Of course they are concerned about the similarity!
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
... It is not possible to tell at an early stage without extensive testing
And:
1) They are shedding virus during this stage
2) There has been no mention of flu season in
Why is it that off topic posts like flu season don't get a Vort kicked
off the list when other off-topic posts like christianity get a vort kicked
off?
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 4:08 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry but since none of the usual policy experts want to touch this
Kevin sez:
Why is it that off topic posts like flu season don't get a
Vort kicked off the list when other off-topic posts like
christianity get a vort kicked off?
You have eloquently expressed a cross we must all bare: Life is unfair.
Get over it.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
Kevin, if you find this objectionable, all you have to do is say so and
I'll not post another response on this topic.
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
Why is it that off topic posts like flu season don't get a Vort kicked
off the list when other
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 30 Sep 2014 20:52:07 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Here is a good article about how ebola would be treated in the U.S.:
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/08/what-would-happen-if-someone-got-ebola-in-america/375928/
This is how it was, in fact, treated
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 7:46 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
The problem is not what happens to an infected person once they go to
hospital. ...
I see two additional potential problems:
- A strain eventually develops that becomes airborne. Perhaps not with
this outbreak, but in the next
Because it has the OT header. Limited OT postings with that header are allowed
because they are easy to filter. Without the header and embedded in on topic
threads they annoy.
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From: Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com
And so it begins exactly as I predicted: He went to the emergency room with
flu like symptoms and they ... wait for it SENT HIM HOME
http://www.nbcdfw.com/video/#!/news/local/Dallas-Hospital-Patient-Fighting-Ebola-Virus/277694491
.
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 6:08 PM, James Bowery
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