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no-nothings like me? The article is fantastic on detail, but I think I need
help forming an overview.
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I tend to avoid using anything that needs flash player 9 where
possible and so far I haven't found
anything I needed to do that really needed actionscript 3
How about flv?
IIRC flv came in with Flash 8
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access it); with the second situation, however, the 'service offered
to the public' aspect means that the potential for a law suit is very
clear.
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and columns interrelate to provide the correct data), and I
let this be my guide. If the columns and rows *don't* interrelate then
it's just a collection of lists.
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it, marks up a piece of
attribution text, and so can simply be the name of a person, or
whatever.
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blockquote
pSome article text blah blah blah/p
pwritten by citeHarold Lloyd/cite/p
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li.furniture a
not
#navlist li .furniture a
Note the removal of the space; li.furniture refers to a list item
that has the class 'funiture'; li .furniture refers to some other
element with a class=furniture *that is contained within* a list item.
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, basing design on a fixed amount of text is asking for
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im doing a list with a background image and some text. how can an
make the whole li area hot and not just the text.
i forgot how to do that
The main thing is to make sure that the list item is set to display:
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See Berea street for further info:
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to continuously scroll back and
forth horizontally (because the width of the text block is wider than
the viewport) to be an annoyance?
If so then okay, but I do not believe that you are typical in this
regard.
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pros and cons of zooming, because certainly Georg's comment would seem
to apply to zooming as much as it did elastic/em-based layouts.
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is another
issue, but one that I can't answer.
I seem to recall reading that SWFObject 2 has an alternative method of
implementation that doesn't require javascript (v1 only had the
javascript option) but I've not toyed with it since version 1 so I
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Will it validate? (I normally use an xhtml 1.0 strict doctype).
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plenty of designers use the tag to semantically group collections of
semantically-connected text chunks/images etc in all manner of
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Where's the character dialogue example?
Just above the heading for '10.3.1 Visual rendering of lists'
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settings with a single click?
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give them a negative margin-left
equalling the padding amount. This brings the text of the link back to
its original position.
eg.
a {padding: 0.5em; margin-left: -0.5em;}
a:hover, a:focus {background-color: whatever;}
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my preferred technique.
I just put the logo image in a div id=logo and keep the H1 for the
page's own title.
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very knowledgeable people on this list can fill in those blanks.
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that's not so far from web standards, is it?
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the markup to correct IE's implementation would appear to be
the logical choice, especially since it does not break the semantics
of the page.
On the other hand, I would be interested to hear of any problems that
my method creates for screen readers.
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of indicating quoted material. If I
remember correctly from many years bck, Eudora did it the ame ay,
though personally I prefer the traditional carat ().
Happy to chat about email clients but probably best to take it off-
list, lest wrath be incurred.
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unit for ems with respect to
page structure -- a column set to 60% width is more self-explanatory
than a column set to 44.5ems inside a 74em wrapper. This mixing of ems
and percentages has never led to any problems AFAIK.
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doing. Just sitting nicely underneath your main content? Or anchored
to the bottom of the browser window at all times? Or something else?
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Hi, I need to mark up
to me were you referring
to the brainstormsandraves example you gave me, or where you referring
to my markup? And if so, which version (ie. with the ul or without)?
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of heigh to width as the flash
file, you will get 'dead space' either top and bottom or on each side.
Like if you watch a widescreen film on a traditional-size (4:3) TV,
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an alternative implementation method that removes the JS reliance, but
I could be wrong about that.
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I don't support IE5, any more than I support WWII radios. Both are
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, and the link's title. Both feel
like they should be something along the lines of Company X is a
member of This Organisation, but I'm wary of giving essentially the
same information twice, in which case it just becomes noise.
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it's meaning.
Thanks Krystian, that makes sense.
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are
likely to wish to utilise.
I don't know whether that is the general consensus or not, nor can I
say whether that was Mike's reason for not using acesskey, but it
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/css href=styles_C.css /
In the CSS:
styles_A contains the rule:
body { background-color: white}
...and...
styles_B contains the rule:
body { background-color: red}
then the page's background colour would, rather unpleasantly, be red.
I think that's right...
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: The Definitive Guide by Eric Meyer;
CSS Mastery: Advanced Web Standards Solutions by Andy Budd others;
HTML Mastery by Paul Haine;
Web Accessibility by Jim Thatcher others
and
Don't Make Me Think by Steve Krug
I haven't delved into javascript yet so I don't have any
recommendations there.
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telling you to add
titles to the abbr tags. You added them and the error went away.
In what way was your initial report mistaken? Surely this is what one
would expect to happen? Or am I missing/misreading something?
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of the crimes that Ross points out.
In summary, then, does anyone recommend me hanging onto Visual
Quickstart Guide: JavaScript and Ajax (6th Ed.) or should I just ditch
it and buy Jeremy Keith's Dom Scripting book instead?
(Just trying to save myself some time is all)
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Quickstart book as well, I'd be interested to hear it, just so I
know whether it's worth glancing at *at all*.
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locations (toilets, food hall, car park, etc -- not necessarily in that
order!) might work very well, but it is still useful, to me at least, to
find one of those big floorplan maps with a You Are Here arrow that
gives me the wider picture.
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on this issue, there was an interesting related
article on A List Apart a couple of days ago by Roel Van Gils.
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/gracefulemailobfuscation
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ibonjour/i they would know it was italicised but not necessarily know why.
IMO that means that semantic class names are better than plain bold or
italic. But there may be times when there is no semantic meaning to
convey at all, in which case b and i are there to be used.
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of thumb: think to yourself, regardless of how it *looks* on the
screen, what does the text I'm marking up *mean*?
If I'm off base here I'm sure others will correct me.
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stylesheets that are imported within it?
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the validation error has vanished, unless the original error
report was a mistake.
Are you using a different validator to me?
http://tinyurl.com/2y7pnf
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looks outstanding for a first effort!
Ah, now THAT just made my day. Thank you.
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So the question is still open for me, and I'm curious; what is your
source of information for thinking that the big G only looks at inline CSS?
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accessibility would simply be harvested instead. And I prefer to avoid
jscript if I can anyway.
Is there a way out what seems, to my inexperienced eyes, like a catch-22
situation?
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perfectly easily -- browsers can, after
all -- but it'd be good to know for sure.
Same question for screen readers.
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less their email client. I suppose that becomes their problem).
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of the page for mailto links. The fact that the
text is hidden when it gets to the browser is neither here nor there, surely?
If you are talking about actually hiding markup from certain agent
types, I'd certainly like to know your method.
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On 17/10/07 (16:20) Patrick said:
Screen readers run on top of normal browsers like IE of Firefox
Ah, I did *not* know that -- I thought that they were a sort of self-
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pages.
http://sandbox.sharkattack.co.uk/novaRebuild/working.html
It's really my first stab at a semantic markup, fully-CSS, accessible
site; it's also my first ever attempt at an elastic layout, so be merciful.
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a handy
list of all the links on a page, so those in the copyright section would
also be presented in that list (albeit probably at the end of the list)
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I recently read an article at usability.com.au that would seem to
indicate that few users of screen readers expect this to be the case.
Is there a prevailing wisdom in this matter?
Content first? Or navigation first?
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blockquote yet still includes MENU. Ugh).
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is not there.
Maybe a strong tag to replace the span?
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content is way beyond my knowledge, which I take to be a good sign --
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Anyone have any suggestions?
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they are not a walking ethical outrage.
So that makes me a commercial operation, albeit that my biggest web
client is a public sector entity here in the UK.
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. I've barely had a chance to scratch the
surface yet (other projects keep getting in the way -- curse those fee-
paying clients!) but so far I've not seen anything that makes me regret
my choice. And there is a free cut-down version available for those
who's budgets are tighter.
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the average, should be that they are
therefore more inclined to make their type larger? Yet you appear to
argue the opposite.
Can you clarify this point, because it's been bugging me.
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that it feels a bit like having my dress sense criticised by someone
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[1] A very subjective judgement call, of course.
[2] Again, that's subjective.
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pull down the Image menu in photoshop it
looks the same as last time, unless I've upgrade photoshop inbetween).
Content, by contrast, is by nature unfamiliar.
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, so I think I'll shut up for a while (apart
from a couple of other replies).
Blimey, this turned into quite a thread. But then the font sizing thing
always evokes passionate reactions I guess.
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Or start saving up to commission a massive study.
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anyone.
is there a way?
Tony, next time I think I'll get you to write my original post.
Clarity. I like clarity. ;-)
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If you're still reading by this point, thank you.
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[1] I am not talking about the merits of general accessibility coding
-- alt and title attributes, semantic (x)html, table headers/scope,
avoiding px/pt units, etc, which are all
.
But clearly that's not the world that we currently inhabit. How best to
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likely to know how to. And *perhaps* that's one argument for designing
with smaller type as a baseline.
I could be way off base of course, but that's why I want to thrash it
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yuchvh which strips out the gamma information. I say 'reportedly'
because although I've downloaded it and plan to give it a whirl, I have
not, as yet, had opportunity to try it out.
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this whole issue is me getting too focused on the nitty gritty,
but I'm in the process of moving from 'old-school' to web standards and
am trying very hard to get it 'right'. This is just one of the goal
posts that I'd like to clearly identify.
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M$-approved technique and as such should be around for
the foreseeable future.
But sometimes the CSS that needs to go into the Conditionally Commented
stylesheet isn't valid -- IE's filters being a prime example.
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into my deep-seated anal
retention (everything subdivided and in its own file).
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of the
main CSS file via hacks... but that's a personal preference. And it's a
recent preference, too -- in the past I've sure used my share of hacks
in an all-in-one CSS file.
So no finger wagging here. One thing's for sure: I'm here to learn, not
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);
/* The following (non-valid) import rule will be seen by IE (Win) 5-7*/
@import ieWin-fixes.css;
The IEWin5-7 import hack was culled from this page:
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Although it may be gunk on the web, this information is essential to
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problem. Is that correct?
(As you can tell, I'm starting to get mildly out of my regular territory
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On 13/8/07 (15:27) minim said:
Rick, PHP shouldn't affect IE at all because it gets calculated on
the server, so by the time the page gets to the browser, it's 100%
HTML/XHTML/whatever - no PHP is seen on the client-side at all.
Cheers,
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NOT caused by using a reserved name, and can cross it off the list of
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