I've been trying to go through "The Definite Guide to Symfony", an excellent book for Symfony 1.x. But Symfony 2 is a different product -- Doctrine 2 is much more powerful, but different, Twig is a great way to do view, and Bundles are now first-class plugins, the concept of "application" and "vendor" has changed a bit, although I'm still a bit confused, etc. etc.
But I don't think Symfony 1 should be called "legacy", just like a list of flying prop planes shouldn't be "legacy" just because a there's now a jet available that happens to also fly and use a lot of the same terminology and instrumentation. Symfony 2 is a different product. That's why I think it should have its own mailing list. If a symfony 3 comes out that's as different as SF1 is from SF2, then it, too, should have it's own list. This isn't like going from PHP 3 to 4 to 5, which were significant improvements, but largely backwards-compatible. It's a whole new framework. And from what I can tell, it rocks. Tac 2011/6/10 Georg <geor...@have2.com> > Hello, > > I am not yet using sf2. > > I am quite frustrated with the mailing list ATM. > > I used to read the mailing list along to help people when I knew > something, learned a few tricks from answers by others, and had a place > to get quick answers. > > Now on most mails I don't even understand the subject, I don't bother to > find the mails where I could help, and i don't ask anymore, because > obviously most sf1 users act in the same way as I do. > Check how many sf1 questions were asked and answered 5 moth ago and now. > This could either mean that nobody is using sf1 any more (which I doubt) > or the list is not working for sf1 people any more (which is the case IMO). > > [RANT]I wonder what are the things that are shared between symfony 1 and > symfony 2? That both are a PHP MVC framework and have the same name? > TO me this feels like if I had a single mailing list for Drupal and > Typo3, because both are PHP CMS[/RANT] > > [RANT2]Check http://www.symfony-project.org/installation: > sf1.4 is the only stable symfony version ATM, and is supported until > november 2012. I strongly hope (even if I have a different feeling), > that at least until mid 2012, sf1 is not treated as legacy. There isn't > even an update possible, I am afraid that companies will rethink their > decision to develop in symfony if they are left standing in the rain. > (Yes, I know this mail > http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-devs/msg/f13ab956a61567cc by > fabien, let me quote: > [QUOTE]Keep in mind that symfony is an Open-Source project, so everybody > can contribute and scratch its itch. The core developers and all plugin > developers are all working for free. Of course, Sensio sponsors the > framework, of course it dedicates a lot of time and money to it, and of > it can even provide extended support for all versions for companies > willing to pay. And do you know how many companies, except Sensio > customers, signed up for extended support in the last 2 years? None! > Yep, that's right, not a single one. [/QUOTE] > [/RANT2] > > That's why I would like to have symfony-users and syomfony2-users as > opposed to symfony-legacy-users. > > As always, keep up the great work. And I will switch to sf2, when it is > stable (and probably has 1 as minor version number ;-) or when the > *symfony2-users* list doesn't complain too much). But I will be stuck > with sf1 for quite a long time with existing projects. And as pointed > out above, I don't feel they have a lot together. > > Regards > Georg > > Am 10.06.2011 07:24, schrieb Fabien Potencier: > > On 6/9/11 10:17 PM, Chris Sedlmayr wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I don't think we are against the idea of creating a Symfony2 specific > >> group, but we must ensure that finding help in the right place is the > >> main priority. > > > > I'm against creating a Symfony2 specific group. If we were to create a > > new group, then it would be a symfony-legacy group. Do we want to create > > a ghetto? > > > > Fabien > > > >> Also, it's worth noting that there is significant time involved with > >> moderating this group alone, which I am not complaining about as it > >> means we have an incredibly active community of developers and users > >> which is fantastic! > >> > >> I'll bring it up and we can go from there? > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Chris Sedlmayr > >> > >> > >> On Jun 9, 8:16 am, Ricky<ricky.ya...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> +1 > >>> > >>> It's a good idea that there is symfony2 group seperately, as we > >>> sometimes can find our solution or get help from others more clearly. > >>> > >>> On Jun 9, 10:54 am, Anton Patrikeyev<anton.patrike...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> +1 > >>> > >>>> 2011/5/18 mepk<mpriz...@gmail.com> > >>> > >>>>> +1 > >>> > >>>>> marcelo > >>> > >>>>> On 18 mayo, 05:05, Leo Jokinen<leo.joki...@snoobi.com> wrote: > >>>>>> +1 since only interested of SF2 > >>> > >>>>>> -Leo- > >>> > >>>>>> From: symfony-users@googlegroups.com [mailto: > >>>>> symfony-users@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marco Pivetta > >>>>>> Sent: 18. toukokuuta 2011 10:39 > >>>>>> To: symfony-users@googlegroups.com > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [symfony-users] Re: Any chance of creating a new Google > >>>>> group for Symfony2 only? > >>> > >>>>>> +1 as I am COMPLETELY not interested in Symfony 1.X and joined > >>>>>> here to > >>>>> just follow some of the issues coming of sf2 :) > >>>>>> Marco Pivetta > >>>>>> @Ocramius<http://twitter.com/Ocramius>http://marco-pivetta.com > >>> > >>>>>> On 18 May 2011 09:21, Yanko Simeonoff<zech...@gmail.com<mailto: > >>>>> zech...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>>>> +1 > >>> > >>>>>> On 05/18/2011 10:12 AM, Zolzaya Erdenebaatar wrote: > >>>>>> +1On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 3:11 AM, Alan > >>>>>> Bem<alan....@gmail.com<mailto: > >>>>> alan....@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>>>>> +1 > >>> > >>>>>> 2011/5/18 realmfoo<konstantin.leb...@gmail.com<mailto: > >>>>> 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