I think there were no rules about how the old gemeente/commune were joined together. It was done with taking into account cultural, political, and financial arguments.
I think there is no differienciation between gemeente/commune and city/town/ville/stad. A city/stad/ville in Belgium is a gemeente/commune with some distinction, but there is no legal diffecientation between them. In consequence, I don't see why we shoud use the admin_level=town. Deelgemeenten and disctrict are used in Antwerp, in Liege there is also some differenciation for the organisation inside the commune/gemeente (CPAS, service population/dienst bevolking, ...). Wijk/quartier seem more informal: I also wonder if this is really an "administrative border". I also suggest that we vote for such proposition... I think it makes sense in the life of the community, because this is a topic were we could discuss a lot... Julien 2011/6/8 Maarten Deen <md...@xs4all.nl> > On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:10:17 +0200, Julien Fastré wrote: > >> What are "towns" and "suburbs" in Belgium ? >> >> In Liège, as far as I know, old communes are now the name of some >> "quartiers" (i do not know the word in english). If I would map them, >> I would use the disctrict/deelgemeentes/section level... But maybe I >> am wrong... >> > > Looking a bit further, it could be that in Belgium towns are synonymous > with deelgemeentes. At least when I look at < > http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_gemeenten_in_het_Vlaams_Gewest>. > > This would suggest that before the communal reshufflings in 1960-1970, a > gemeente/commune would only consist of one town. Is that true? > That's a bit different from the Netherlands where there were (also in the > past) almost always more than one town in a gemeente. > And then the info in the belgian page (which I have also put on the global > page) would be complete. > > Maarten > > > 2011/6/8 Maarten Deen >> >> On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 11:22:28 +0200, Andre Engels wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Maarten Deen wrote: >>>> >>>> Don't have much time to reply, so a short one: >>>>>> >>>>>> Always look at the country specific page to get the answers. >>>>>> The >>>>>> international >>>>>> page is just there for some "guiding", but the countries >>>>>> have to make >>>>>> their >>>>>> own rules. As is the case for Belgium. >>>>>> >>>>>> country: level 2 >>>>>> regions: level 4 >>>>>> communities: level 5 >>>>>> provinces: level 6 >>>>>> arrondissements: level 7 >>>>>> municipalities: level 8 >>>>>> district/deelgemeentes/sections: level 9 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Then why is this information not on the international page? >>>>> There is >>>>> absolutely no reason to have conflicting information on a >>>>> wiki. >>>>> In this list I am missing single towns. A municipality >>>>> consists of multiple >>>>> towns. Should it not be: municipality:8, town:9, >>>>> district/deelgemeentes/sections:10? >>>>> I assume 10 can be used for sububurbs/wijken too? (does >>>>> Belgium have that >>>>> concept like the Netherlands?) >>>>> >>>> >>>> 'Deelgemeente' in Belgium is a different concept than in the >>>> Netherlands. They are former municipalities, which in the 1960s >>>> or >>>> 1970s have fused into larger municipalities. Thus, a >>>> deelgemeente/district/section is more like a town than like a >>>> wijk. >>>> >>> >>> Ok, I've also looked at wikipedia, to me it seems that from low >>> admin_level to high it should be: >>> - Municipality (Gemeente/Commune) >>> - Deelgemeente/district >>> - Town >>> - Suburb (Wijk) >>> >>> That would then suggest that everything from region down should be >>> dropped one admin_level: >>> >>> country: level 2 >>> regions: level 3 >>> communities: level 4 >>> provinces: level 5 >>> arrondissements: level 6 >>> municipalities: level 7 >>> district/deelgemeentes/sections: level 8 >>> town: level 9 >>> suburb: level 10 >>> >>> Or start using admin_level=11. >>> >>> Maarten >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-be mailing list >>> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org [2] >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be [3] >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > -- Julien FASTRE http://www.meta-morphoses.be
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