[quote="anajuaristi"] > - you are almost the unique OpenERP integrator that didn't learn programming > along you functional skills. You are almost the unique exception and you > could start a sustainable activity only recently (one year ago you would not > have make it, too many bugs).
I can't believe I'm the only one working like this!!! There should be more freelance consultants than me!! > - even with that, you still rely on programmers like us to manage some of > your own projects. I mean, We or Zikzakmedia and the other gave you a hand on > your projects (Elsenordelmar, Logiscenter... for us). How would you do > without engineers? > I mean I absolutely do not criticize what you do and I'm happy when we can > team together, but what is your point coming here and telling programming > skills are optional? They are optional if you pay somebody do it for you, > otherwise I don't want to see how you'll migrate your data/version or close > you accounting period. > Raphaël is totally different managing a project or AFTER passing the start-up, customer decide to make some programming/adapting module to make easier they operative. As you say you built a very concrete and concise module for El Sr del mar: Stock in 2 measure units, but the 98% of functionality needed was filled by standar modules, spanish localization and another few extra modules. El sr del mar was working by now when you made the module. Logiscenter needed prod_lot_autosplit and published last version had a bug. Your team built the module so I thought you were the best to repare it and I asked quotation to you for reparing. Again. rest of functionality used is taken just from publicated on stable branch. And Yes... when I need an extra functionality to my customers i have to contract a programmer and pay for it. My customer agreed with this. But I always try to investigate just publicated modules before contracting programmers and 80% of times is possible to find something that fit customers needs. Thank you all guys publicating on extra-addons and of course tiny. > I mean this is pretty much when you came here to tell hey folk we can > integrate OpenERP in 5 days, and then you Gtalk me during week ends because > you are totally lost with data importation and OpenERP bugs, why do you need > to come and tell it's so easy then? What the benefit of this, getting a ton > of noobs jumping in that will fail their projects and then tell OpenERP is > crap? For your customer to pay you even less days for your projects, so we > don't have the skilled integrators ecosystem that make the product more > mature? > I understand nothing about this paragraphe. I NEVER and say again NEVER said that you can integrate OpenERP in 5 days. The most quick project I made is 1-2 month long even if it's a very little company. I just gtalk to you to offer a work or asking some punctual easy doubts for 4 or 5 times. I asked to you about migration, not because I was "totally lost" but because the origin system was an old dinosaur ERP and I just offered to you the posibility of making a quotation. After that, I offered the work on launchpad. My operative is, if myself or a customer of mine, find a bug I report on launchpad. If customer has got a technical support contract, I send it to company who is supporting my customer and after reparing we always publish patch on launchpad. So easy like that. If a final customer wants jumping into OpenERP, first of all they have to learn about openERP and contract technical support. He does not need programming. Please take a look to the methodology I use for implementing openerp. You have got a resume on openerpsite. I even built a course in spanish about it. Noone says it's easy, but If it was, openERP wouldn't be a complete ERP. > Don't get us wrong, coding is not only about creating new modules to meet > exotic requirements. It's also very much about only getting rid of the nasty > blocker bugs. All versions have critical bugs. On a small scope you can may > be find a version that fit your basic needs. On a larger perimeter, like for > instance when accounting is required, that's impossible (or do you think we > fight on Launchpad bugs just for fun?) > Why you get ungry with me? You are saying we need a version free of bugs, and one that just I needed was yours, there was a bug and we payed for the solution. It's right!! This is open source. We understand the way it works and I try explaining to my customers. As much as clean is the code an most tested it is... will be better, but there is no software free or propietary free of bugs. Difference is that using openerp if you are skilled, you can repair yourself. With propietary system you can't. If you are not skilled you have to contract someone to repair. Where is the problem here? I use only spanish localization modules. It fits 99% of spanish customer needs. It's good made. We try don't migrating old fiscal data but mantaining them on old system for consulting. I customer want's to pay migration... it depends on origin data the cost of it so he must agree with price no problem here neither. > > I'm suspicious Spain is not where accounting is the most challenging. But I > know that in France there were much more issues. I bet @Gavin in the US is > totally lost. Now for us in Brazil, we need module such account_tax_include > to respect the fiscality (+ a good deal of other modules). > account_tax_include have rounding bugs such as this one: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/openobject-addons/+bug/510726 > Do you really think that's good to tell: hey folk no problem you can go in > prod with this out of the box? Well I don't. I don't know other countries implementatios. In spain, localization project is very mature. We can work out of the box. Thanks to everyone who colaborate on it. Of course they made a great job and expended a lot of hours on it. Some missing functionality has been financed by customers, some other has been built just because some people like Jordi, Borja, Albert, Pedro and other wanted improving functionality. So it's true maybe is more difficult starting up an openerp project in other country that begins just now, but you can't ask tiny or noone else to improve functionality to make OpenERP work stand alone in every country of the world. It's not real. Each country have to adapt their fiscal needs. I don't know how, who or when... OK, we all agree on this; this doesn't scale at all. And that's one of the reason the community recently have an argument with Tiny because they were giving no direction tho the community: http://n3.nabble.com/Simple-things-we-need-from-Tiny-for-better-bug-planning-management-tc132053.html#none Thanks God we agree on something!!! I just want to give a positive message about OpenERP. I think tiny and partners are making really an impresive work with functionality and evolution of system. OpenERP is better and more stable each day so I will try translating this message to everyone who wants to try it. Thank you very much!!! Ana ------------------------ Manuales, Videotutoriales de OpenERP en http://www.openerpsite.com http://www.aulaerp.com -------------------- m2f -------------------- -- http://www.openobject.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=50472#50472 -------------------- m2f --------------------
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