Jed, So, you are telling me that the experts in the government are positive to LENR/CF. Funny to me to support but forget the wallet. Reality is that there are very few government supported experiments that has reported success. Rossi is not the only person having results outside of the government. Reality is that the few positive indications we see by government are from people revolting against the organization they are working in. Thus actually being entrepreneurs. I have said it before organizations cannot achieve results but people can. I read your article/speech from 2013. I liked that. Read the part about chaos; do you think government would support that? Read about Fleishman; sounds to me like an entrepreneur. F was certainly not supported by the government. I am not saying that I know what it takes to succeed with LENR. I know it takes entrepreneurship, creativity, focus, vision, tenacity coupled with knowledge and funding. Government has either of those attributes. That is why Rossi is ahead of the government. Unfortunately, at the time Rossi's success is a clear fact, the government will through in their enormous funding and IMHO steal the show. Some think the government will take over and hide the result to protect the interests, which empower the government. It hurts me that intelligent people can believe that government will take the lead in any changing situation.
Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote: > Lennart Thornros <lenn...@thornros.com> wrote: > > >> However, you lack in logic when you say: >> If there is one lesson the history of cold fusion teaches it is that the >> experts are usually right, and you should not listen to strange people from >> outside the scientific establishment. >> That is only true if you think that LENR/CF is impossible. >> > > No, you have that backward. Nearly all of the experts who have looked > carefully at cold fusion have concluded that it is real. Dieter Britz is > the only one I know who is not convinced. > > The scientists who claim it is not real know nothing about the research. > They have not read the literature. They are not experts; they are ignorant > fools. You can see this in the negative comments of the 2004 DoE panel, > which are preposterous: > > http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DOEusdepartme.pdf > > > >> I know you and I have different opinion about what large organization are >> good and bad about. >> > > Nearly every major mainstream organization that performed serious > experiments in cold fusion produced positive results by 1990. Over 180 > organizations have replicated, and every one of them is at a university, > national laboratory or corporation. Not a single researcher outside of the > mainstream has ever replicated cold fusion as far as I know, except > possibly Rossi. > > See the list here: > > http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/WillFGgroupsrepo.pdf > > There were a few places such as Kamiokande that got negative results, > because they made many mistakes and there were no electrochemists in their > group. Without electrochemists they could never succeed. They were > bumbling amateurs *outside the electrochemical establishment*. See: > > http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJlessonsfro.pdf > > Imagine what would happen if electrochemists tried to build a Tokamak > reactor. They would fail as badly as this. > > - Jed > >
