Jed, first of all thanks for the many advices you give. I will try to get hold of a book at some point in time. I understand that what I think does not change the world. However, facts like government (or any organization cannot achieve result is true. That does not mean that organization is worthless. What I try to say it certain organizations work better than others for different tasks / jobs. I do have some experience of that from real life and I spent considerable time to work with government in changing situations - that does not work at all - ever. I have done similar job in small organizations and achieved rather good result. So my statements are built more on experience and less on books. Having said so I have learnt the statement that;'Organizations cannot get result but people can', in a book. Maybe I read to many books - you confuse me. Or is it so that there is a book supporting most any opinion you have? I am not claiming any good understanding of LENR or its history. I did not know Mr. Fleischman. If you say he expressed contempt for entrepreneur I believe you. I still say he had some entrepreneurial characteristics. Unfortunately he was in an environment that made it impossible or at least very difficult to develop / utilize those entrepreneurial skills. No I did not (do not) answer as you want. I answer in my way. The answer to I have given you many examples of major technologies that were discovered by or paid for by governments. You have not addressed a single one of these examples. No, technology has been discovered by the government. You should say that the queen of spain should be celebrated on Columbus day with your logics (nonexisting btw). and
You claim researchers outside the government have replicated. I asked for their names. You have not given a single one. Can be found here; has been given in general form and supported with a couple of examples. Finally you have not heard much I conclude from, ' That is the most idiotic assertion I have heard in many years. ' Instead of reading a book perhaps some hands on work is a good advice to you. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote: > Lennart Thornros <lenn...@thornros.com> wrote: > > >> No, I do not think the government does anything for progress. >> > > What you think is irrelevant. Read any history of technology and you will > see that you are wrong. Your opinions cannot change facts or rewrite > history books. > > I have given you many examples of major technologies that were discovered > by or paid for by governments. You have not addressed a single one of these > examples. > > You claim researchers outside the government have replicated. I asked for > their names. You have not given a single one. > > You claimed that Fleischmann "sounds to me like an entrepreneur" and that > he was "certainly not supported by the government." That is preposterous. > He worked for the government his entire life, except at the end when he > worked for IMRA, and that went badly. He was never anything like an > entrepreneur. He expressed contempt for entrepreneurs and businessmen in > general. > > You clearly know nothing about the history of technology or cold fusion, > and nothing about Fleischmann or the other researchers. Before you spout > off about a subject (any subject) I suggest you read books and learn > something about it. > > > >> Organizations cannot make result but people can. >> > > That is the most idiotic assertion I have heard in many years. Do you > think individual people can build railroads, run corporations, eliminate > smallpox or win World War II? On their own? Without an organization to back > them up and coordinate their efforts? Most professors I know are so > helpless, and so inept at anything outside their specialty, they cannot > type a paper without organizational support. Without people like me, to be > specific. They can barely order lunch. > > Without organizations human society and civilization would not exist. > There would be no continuity, no support systems, and no accomplishment > larger than a single person can handle in one lifetime. > > - Jed > >
