Jed, Let us leave the dispute about organizations. I actually started to address the topic in the headline by saying: The debate about global warming is far from conclusive. I do not know the answer. I do know that it is not a question we can control (i.e. I doubt anyone created the ice- age(s)). For many other reasons I can agree that limiting our carbon pollution has its advantages. Global warming will not be totally depending on the CO2 level in the atmosphere, many other factors will be as or more important. I think we need to get better information and then search for the solution that still makes this place liveable. I think we have time but to limit use of fossil fuel (limit CO2 in the atmosphere is good in the meantime. There are many other factors involved solar flares etc, They are way over my understanding so I stay rather neutral in the debate. To limit the manmade pollution is good. To believe that is the solution to control the temperature on this planet is naive or beyond naive. The show in Paris is just that, a show, entertaining for people in governments. Perhaps it also give reason for further expansion of governments (in all countries not just the US and GB). The politician have one thing in common world wide - they want more power, more impact on our daily life. The ROI of this show will never reach a positive number - ever.
Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Lennart Thornros <lenn...@thornros.com> wrote: > Jed, > first of all thanks for the many advices you give. I will try to get hold > of a book at some point in time. > I understand that what I think does not change the world. However, facts > like government (or any organization cannot achieve result is true. That > does not mean that organization is worthless. What I try to say it certain > organizations work better than others for different tasks / jobs. I do have > some experience of that from real life and I spent considerable time to > work with government in changing situations - that does not work at all - > ever. I have done similar job in small organizations and achieved rather > good result. So my statements are built more on experience and less on > books. > Having said so I have learnt the statement that;'Organizations cannot get > result but people can', in a book. Maybe I read to many books - you confuse > me. Or is it so that there is a book supporting most any opinion you have? > I am not claiming any good understanding of LENR or its history. I did not > know Mr. Fleischman. If you say he expressed contempt for entrepreneur I > believe you. I still say he had some entrepreneurial characteristics. > Unfortunately he was in an environment that made it impossible or at least > very difficult to develop / utilize those entrepreneurial skills. > No I did not (do not) answer as you want. I answer in my way. > The answer to I have given you many examples of major technologies that > were discovered by or paid for by governments. You have not addressed a > single one of these examples. No, technology has been discovered by the > government. You should say that the queen of spain should be celebrated > on Columbus day with your logics (nonexisting btw). > and > > You claim researchers outside the government have replicated. I asked for > their names. You have not given a single one. > Can be found here; has been given in general form and supported with a > couple of examples. > > Finally you have not heard much I conclude from, ' > That is the most idiotic assertion I have heard in many years. > ' Instead of reading a book perhaps some hands on work is a good advice > to you. > > Best Regards , > Lennart Thornros > > > lenn...@thornros.com > +1 916 436 1899 > > Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and > enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Lennart Thornros <lenn...@thornros.com> wrote: >> >> >>> No, I do not think the government does anything for progress. >>> >> >> What you think is irrelevant. Read any history of technology and you will >> see that you are wrong. Your opinions cannot change facts or rewrite >> history books. >> >> I have given you many examples of major technologies that were discovered >> by or paid for by governments. You have not addressed a single one of these >> examples. >> >> You claim researchers outside the government have replicated. I asked for >> their names. You have not given a single one. >> >> You claimed that Fleischmann "sounds to me like an entrepreneur" and that >> he was "certainly not supported by the government." That is preposterous. >> He worked for the government his entire life, except at the end when he >> worked for IMRA, and that went badly. He was never anything like an >> entrepreneur. He expressed contempt for entrepreneurs and businessmen in >> general. >> >> You clearly know nothing about the history of technology or cold fusion, >> and nothing about Fleischmann or the other researchers. Before you spout >> off about a subject (any subject) I suggest you read books and learn >> something about it. >> >> >> >>> Organizations cannot make result but people can. >>> >> >> That is the most idiotic assertion I have heard in many years. Do you >> think individual people can build railroads, run corporations, eliminate >> smallpox or win World War II? On their own? Without an organization to back >> them up and coordinate their efforts? Most professors I know are so >> helpless, and so inept at anything outside their specialty, they cannot >> type a paper without organizational support. Without people like me, to be >> specific. They can barely order lunch. >> >> Without organizations human society and civilization would not exist. >> There would be no continuity, no support systems, and no accomplishment >> larger than a single person can handle in one lifetime. >> >> - Jed >> >> >
