Dave, I hate to get involved in another debate war, but the climate
change issue is too important to ignore. The ice is melting world-wide
and the average temperature is increasing. The glaciers are melting
and the Arctic regon is losing ice. This fact is acknowledged by all
sides in the debate. The question is only about the cause. Is the
cause part of the natural cycle or is it caused by man? Either way,
the ocean is and will continue to rise and people had better plan to
move if they are in the affected areas.
I believe, like many other people, that if the main caused is CO2
production, we are too late to stop the process or even to slow it
down. Therefore, the discussion about CO2 is irrelevant. The
discussion now must be how do we respond to the loss of land presently
occupied by millions of people and important infrastructure. If you
want to discuss something important, I suggest you focus on this
question.
Ed
On Jan 30, 2013, at 1:03 PM, David Roberson wrote:
I have not claimed to be an expert in climate change and merely have
an interest. I also have an interest in the well being of the
other people on the earth that we share. You can be assured that I
would be very vocal about climate change affecting us if I felt that
it was a serious risk to mankind and the remainder of the
environment and that now was the only time to react. So far I have
only heard strong sounds emitted by the groups seeking immediate
action who conveniently leave out information that runs counter to
their beliefs. This is unbalanced and dangerous for those that will
be left out of progress due to wasted actions.
It is obvious that every time a storm hits, or a dry spell occurs,
etc. that it becomes blamed upon climate change. This is sheer
nonsense and even the climatologists try to distance their
predictions to some degree from immediate weather effects.
Are you convinced that there are not going to be many positive
effects due to future climate variations, whether caused by man or
not? Would you have the same beliefs if you were living toward the
end of the last ice age? The fear of change is an easy one to
acquire, but should not dominate ones thinking. I make an attempt
to not panic in this case and have faith that we will find a way to
solve any major problems which occur and take advantage of the good
things that happen.
Have you given the Danish scientist Henrick Svensmark's theory about
cosmic rays being a major climate driver equal time? There is
remarkable correlation between what he has theorized and the climate
of the earlier Earth. Anyone who would strongly jump at the
suggestion that the ocean levels will rise 9 meters due to a theory
of a couple of guys should be willing to analyze what might be a
better explanation.
My personal opinion is that now is the time to perform the needed
research and figure out what really is happening. The science is
not settled as some would like us to believe and the cost of
immediate action is much too great unless a truly catastrophic
future is looming. I detect a mixed bag of future effects that we
have a significant amount of time to optimize. Furthermore, as
time progresses our sciences and technology will improve and any
mitigation will become that much easier to achieve. All of us need
to have a little more faith in future generations.
Jed, it makes little difference whether or not you believe me. We
each have our opinions that differ. I have given you a name to
follow up upon of a scientist that does have hand's on experience
that I lack and who is well respected. You can choose not to give
consideration to the other side of this discussion, but I know that
you would be ahead to open your mind just a tiny bit.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 30, 2013 2:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100
David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote:
So, when will we begin to see these effects to such a degree that it
will become obvious?
Most experts say the changes are obvious now. And irrefutable.
Perhaps you disagree. I tend to believe experts who have done hands-
on research, based on my experience with cold fusion. Let me put it
this way: If you have published a paper on this subject I will take
your views a lot more seriously.
- Jed
