Any of them that does not produce gamma radiation is producing a BEC. For example, a spark produces a cloud of nanoparticles in which a polariton condensate is formed. In the instant when transmutation is occurring, a BEC has formed.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: > And absolutely all of them are manifestations of BEC? > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> LENR is ubiquitous and obvious. It is seen in lightning, volcanic >> processes, electrical discharges (Ken Shoulders), exploding foils, and >> cavitation to name just a few. DGT has a list in their ICCF-17 paper. >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Leaving the idea of mathematical equivalence aside, and for the sake of >>> argument I'll just take your word for it (though I'm sure that's a >>> debatable point), if they were physically equivalent LENR would not be such >>> a novel & hard-to-detect effect -- it would be ubiquitous and obvious. Or, >>> at the very least, not so rare at the classical level. For example, I think >>> there is evidence that humans are quantum-coherent, but I have actual >>> evidence from investigations of biological organisms to back that up, not >>> abstractions from disparate fields of study that I make subjective >>> connections between. >>> >>> OK so we can't test the quantum-coherent gamma barrier, right? We just >>> take it on a certain amount of faith (for the present I'm guessing) that it >>> can do all the things you say it does? Similar to WLT? If this is the case, >>> at the very least I think some calculations for a phenomenon that produces >>> no testable predictions in LENR systems. WLT do provide calculations at >>> least, though most of them have been torn apart by a number of competent >>> people in the field. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The physics and math of ultra cold BEC is the same as for polariton >>>> BEC. I read that somewhere. So the experimental results of one can be >>>> applied to the other. Experiments of hot BEC are not possible because the >>>> parameters of the experiment cannot be well controlled. Cold BEC is always >>>> used for experimentation because parameters can be controlled. >>>> >>>> In my mind, polariton lasers show energy sharing where pumped energy is >>>> converted to a single energy level. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This was work on "ultracold atom ensembles". OK, that's interesting, >>>>> and? Why are you so sure "ultracold" phenomenon can so easily manifest at >>>>> high temperature. And what proves these ultracold phenomenon can generate >>>>> some system-wide absorption of radiation & internal thermal heat? I'll ask >>>>> again if there's anyway to experimentally demonstrate what you're talking >>>>> about in very different LENR systems? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> See >>>>>> >>>>>> Rydberg excitation of a Bose-Einstein condensate >>>>>> >>>>>> http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.1261v1.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Think of Rydberg excitement as the energy product of the reaction in >>>>>> terms of the physics. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You lost me there. It must be because, like Jones said, I don't >>>>>>> understand QM. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as I was aware, if we are talking about the same experiment, >>>>>>> is that the IR hot-spots clearly demonstrate an NAE reacting. Nothing >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> nothing less. They were not detecting nuclear products, just spotted >>>>>>> heat >>>>>>> events. I don't understand how this demonstrates a BEC-shield in any >>>>>>> way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If superfuidic temperature distribution is demonstrated in a NjH >>>>>>>> reactor, this proves that a global BEC has formed. The production of >>>>>>>> flashing hot spots as viewed by a infrared camera shows that a BEC has >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> formed. I has seen this video. If no hot spots are seen in the lattice >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the reactor, then a BEC has formed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> OK, so these papers are basically saying hot fusion/fission is >>>>>>>>> occurring in these nano-plasmon environments, right? Now the trick of >>>>>>>>> course is proving that a coherent BEC state, that links together a >>>>>>>>> phase-coherent quantum-system (aka "soliton") then dissipates all >>>>>>>>> that mass >>>>>>>>> energy through systemic distribution, can actually exist. >>>>>>>>> Widom-Larsen have >>>>>>>>> taken a similar road without success. Hagelstein has tried to do this >>>>>>>>> through a phonon quasi-particle model with limited success. Again, the >>>>>>>>> papers are all well and good, what experiments do you suggest to show >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> is going on in all NiH LENR systems beside the particle chamber >>>>>>>>> suggestion? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have put forth the nanoplasmonic experiments done with lasers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Repeated many times in previous posts and except in part as >>>>>>>>>> follows: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> have referenced papers here to show how the confinement of >>>>>>>>>> electrons on the surface of gold nanoparticles: a nanoplasmonic >>>>>>>>>> mechanism >>>>>>>>>> can change the half-life of U232 from 69 years to 6 >>>>>>>>>> microseconds. It also causes thorium to fission. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> See references: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1112.6276&ei=nI6UUeG1Fq-N0QGypIAg&usg=AFQjCNFB59F1wkDv-NzeYg5TpnyZV1kpKQ&sig2=fhdWJ_enNKlLA4HboFBTUA&bvm=bv.46471029,d.dmQ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Experiments showing the same mechanism as listed below: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Laser-induced synthesis and decay of Tritium under exposure of >>>>>>>>>> solid targets in heavy water" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://arxiv.org/abs/1306.0830 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Initiation of nuclear reactions under laser irradiation of Au >>>>>>>>>> nanoparticles in the presence of Thorium aqua ions >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0906/0906.4268.pdf >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
